Pugu

If you're Sweeney and you want no change, you support the candidate that is more incapable of change. Its not rocket science.

^ummmmm....if Sweeney who's been around for ages who Scene calls one of the region's "slimiest career politicians" wants business as usual and no changes, it makes sense for him to support Bibb because Bibb will be ineffectual to getting anything changed or accomplished because he's utterly clueless. Very shrewd move by Sweeney and an endorsement that Kelley could do without. https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2021/01/19/marty-sweeney-weasels-his-way-back-into-office-aided-and-abetted-by-cuyahoga-county-dems

Some "proof" just rolled in. Bibb's campaign sent Kevin Kelley a cease and desist letter over campaign material. Bibb clearly doesn't understand how campaigns work. This letter from his lawyer can be some of the "proof" you are seeking of his cluelessness. Kelley's response was pretty clever: A letter back to the attorney stating, "We are writing to alert you that someone may have obtained a copy of your letterhead and used it to send a frivolous communication to our office that does not appear to be authored by an actual attorney." You can read Bibb's lawyer's letter and Kelley's response letter at wkyc.com.

How can I possibly provide "proof" of how damaging a Bibb mayoral administration will be if he hasn't been in office yet? Its like me asking you to give me proof that the president taking office in 2041 is a good (or bad) president. The demand for proof makes no sense. For the closest HINTS of what will be proof, I've provided over and over again. And I'll provide it again: LISTEN to Bibb. Listen to him talk for five straight minutes. He provides all the "proof" you need that he's got no clue whatsoever. It will result in people and interests walking all over him and the city for their own interests and he won't know any better or if he does, he won't know how to handle it. Bibb provides the proof himself. Just listen to any of the debates or interviews with him. It's right there.

Are you saying in the past I gave concrete evidence against Bibb and for Kelley? I never did such as I can't see the future. I think you should follow X's guidance here and keep the discussion on the race and not on me just because I oppose your darling candidate. This is why Bibbers are like Trumpers--they get all riled up if someone doesn't agree with the absolute worship of the figure who doesn't deserve such worship. What's next, the storming of City Hall a-la-Jan 6th if Bibb doesn't win?

Proof of what Kelley or Bibb did as mayor vs. what they are promising can only be seen on whoever wins and only after some time in office as mayor. There is no proof that I or anyone can provide today.

Ha! I never said I liked him. But he is FAR more preferable than Bibb--so from a relative perspective, I like him. But only because I think Bibb will be very detrimental to the city in the worse case, utterly pointless and useless in the best case. If we want at the minimum SOME positive change, Kelley will give us that. No change or negative change is what Bibb will deliver. So from that view, yes, I like Kelley.

Even if Kelley is not saying how things are funded, you know he's a realist and fairly conservative compared to Bibb, so he's not even going to say something as a promise if it can't be funded or implemented. Because of this cautious and accurate approach of his, its biting him in the butt. For anyone on a campaign trail, Kelley's fault is that he is being too cautious and too real. For example, the Bibbers are twisting Kelley's true statement that change in government is "hard" into, "therefore, he won't do it." He never said that he won't implement change--he only mentioned it was hard to provide a sense of reality to Bibb and Bibbers that one can't just make lofty changes in government or just increase the salary of all cops by 50--or whatever--percent. You pay the cops more--where does the money come from? You think if you pay the cops more, EMS and Fire and Corrections won't want more too? And what about everybody else in City Government---they're underpaid too. Where does all that money come from? Or are instead cutting whole programs and shutting down rec centers? But let's just say they both promise $500 millions/year of extra stuff. Which of the two candidates do you think is truly more able to deliver on that promise? One that knows how city government and funding works and with years of experience in it or one who has absolutely no clue and no experience? After 16 years of Jackson we need new leadership with experience, not Dennis the Sequel.

But don't those $2.50 fares add up to $27,814,000? http://www.riderta.com/sites/default/files/pdf/budget/2021/4-FundBudgets.pdf

What is third shift, 11pm-7am? Does this mean you can ride for free and not get busted during this time? Good to know. But why would RTA make this publicly known?

Good example. The police SHOULD be paid more in the city especially relative to the suburbs as their job is harder than in the burbs. But he never says HOW he is going to pay for it. Any fool can spout off promises and ideas. He never follows it up and says, "and this will be funded by...." This example can be applied to just about everything he says. So why do people keep falling for it?

But we consider ourselves a "foodie" destination. Then again, maybe every city considers themselves that, I don't know. Which Cleveland restaurants should have made the list? I'm not the one to say. Though we have many well-reviewed restaurants and others not reviewed at all, I have not eaten at most of them to come up with a list of the top restaurants that would be a proper list. I'd have to eat at least 50 of the top Cleveland restaurants to give you meaningful rankings.

NYT just released its top 50 restaurants in the US -- and NONE of them are in Cleveland. Disappointing. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/dining/favorite-restaurant-list-america.html

Broadband deployment is an allowable use under the guidelines and it would make a giant impact for the city by narrowing the digital divide. The feds WANT the money to be spent as soon as possible as its part of the economic recovery AND aimed to help stop covid. It is actually less complicated than you are making it sound.

Half of the money of the $511M is already at City Hall and has been there a while. Why hasn't Jackson used it? For $250M he could have create a memorable legacy project as his last official act---broadband for everyone or something. Why hasn't he? Does he just not even bother these days? Typically all politicians want their legacy project before leaving office--and you'd think it would be especially true for one in office for 16 years.

Wow--I had thought for some reason, it was just going to be three restaurants---that's a good bunch of places and types of places. Will be a great addition to the Flats.

An opportunity to meet the candidates in person. Event TONIGHT--both candidates to take Q&A's on public transit at Forest City Brewery on Columbus Rd. "Join CPT tonight to hear more from the candidates about the issues facing the many people that rely on public transportation and how they plan to end the transit death spiral in Cleveland." "Both Justin Bibb and Kevin Kelley will take the GCRTA bus from their neighborhood and meet with members from CPT at Forest City Brewery to discuss their ideas and plans to improve public transit. The ride-along will allow both candidates to experience how the average Clevelander uses transit." https://clefortransit.org/2021/10/12/press-release-clevelanders-for-public-transit-hosts-mayoral-candidates-bus-ride-along-and-transit-rider-q-a-tonight

One of the survey questions was Do you plan to vote in the election scheduled for November 2nd? to which 82% said yes. No 3.6% Unsure 14.3% Also asked: If you voted in the Cleveland mayoral primary held on September 14th, which candidate did you select? to which: did not vote - 34.6% No response - 1.3% So at least most SAID they would vote in the general. Though when asked HOW they will vote (at polling location, early, or at BOE), 20% did not respond to the question. But overall, with whopping 40% undecided with only 4-5 weeks out (when the survey was done) that's pretty telling that neither candidate is of really outstanding--either that or that they are so close that people just can't decide. Or people just don't care. Bottom line: with only an 11 point spread between the two candidates, it really could go either way if this polling is accurate.

Thanks @X. The mayoral race is the most pressing issue in the city at the moment. The focus should be on the candidates and their capabilities, not on me--thanks for trying to keeping the critical discussion on track.

As I've said countless times, LISTEN to what Bibb is saying. Really LISTEN. If your point and approach here is "so many of us here can't be wrong--so it must be you [Pugu]" do note that 74.2 million --- 74.2 million! -- people voted for Trump in 2020--that is AFTER he had been office for four years so people knew what he was about. So just because a large number of people think one way doesn't mean its in support of a good thing or the right thing. He just said the things that some people like to hear and they eat it up.

You should say "sell us" WITH CREDIBILITY "on a national stage". That's certainly not Bibb. My point is, Kelley is less "visionary" than Bibb--but he has made slow positive changes from where he could in Council (remember, he is/was not mayor). Kelley can continue to make positive changes and likely more quickly being the mayor vs council president. Bibb can talk about grand ideas, but they're not necessarily implementable. I'll take slow/medium positive changes (by Kelley) over no change or negative change which is what we would get from someone clueless like Bibb.

Yeah, must be right? How else could you explain how someone could not be on the Trump-style Bibb bandwagon. Forget what's logical or good for the nation or city, just vote for Trump or Bibb!

"Change" is not always positive. "Change" can also be bad. Under Kelley will there be DRASTIC POSITIVE changes in the years ahead? No--he's not a visionary and we can see what he has or hasn't done. Its been slow and limited, but he has skillfully pushed through things for the better like the LGBQT legislation. But Kelley style change is better than the alternative: DRASTIC NEGATIVE changes that we would see under Bibb if he is able to do anything at all.

Universities have---but the issues are much bigger than what they can or are actually willing to do. Case did have the REI but an incoming president killed it 10-20 years ago.

^Keeping CWRU grads in town is more than just meeting with Case's president, as Bibb said he would do---its having jobs and job growth opportunities in the city--which is beyond the purview of Case. Kelley's response was far more holistic on that issue. Also, remember, last night Bibb called Dayton and Toledo our peers. How's that for vision and aspirational thinking?