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I agree that from the angle CLE's image was taken, the Cinci skyline looks more balanced. CLE's looks like it has some empty spots between and around the tallest three. But it looks better not because of DENSITY---but because it seems all the bldgs are around the same height (and maybe narrower streets)--and the place/angle/distance from which the picture was shot. If CLE had a bunch more buildings and all were at the height between the BP Bldg and Key Tower, then CLE's skyline would look similar--a cohesive and gapless skyline. But for those photos then, its a question then of "height consistency" or "building height and number of buildings", not density of activity to affect street life!

The Indians/Guardians are registered both as an LLC and as a corporation. Maybe the LLC does some things and the Corp does other things? I'm assuming that's why. In any event, both CLE entities (LLC and Corp) have filed name changes effective 7/23/21: CLEVELAND INDIANS BASEBALL COMPANY, INC. is now: CLEVELAND GUARDIANS BASEBALL COMPANY, INC. CLEVELAND INDIANS BASEBALL COMPANY, LLC is now: CLEVELAND GUARDIANS BASEBALL COMPANY, LLC Here's the name change document for the Corporation: https://bizimage.ohiosos.gov/api/image/pdf/202120402696

That photo in that article/post makes it look like the Vietnamese restaurant is gone and its space is up for lease. The Vietnamese restaurant is still open and the new sandwich place will use a different space. That signage seen in the photo makes it look like the Vietnamese place is gone.....must be bad for business. It's a good restaurant!

I have discovered the disconnect. You see this as the last build ever in the city---so better to take one 600' and one 300' building than one 900' building to add activity and life to the streets. I AGREE WITH THIS---if the premise was correct---that this is the last building or two ever to be built in Cleveland. But I don't have such a dismal outlook on the city. So what I'm saying is its better to have a 900' AND another 900' and yet another 900'..... taking up the fixed amount of land. That is how we'll achieve the density that is so longed for here, not by just building something on a parking lot.

I didn't say, nor think, that 616' is a short bldg. I'm saying if a city has two short bldgs (say 5 stories) instead of two 1-story bldgs, yes that is MORE density. But its certainly not DENSE. The comments here suggest that ANY amount of development gives us "density" and density is a constant regardless of bldg height (or use). It's not true--the higher the bldg, the more the density.

Ummm...do you guys know what density is? If SHW built one 80-story bldg on W. 3 St. and then ANOTHER company built a tall building, say 50-60 stories, on the property on which SHW is "holding" for a second less-than-35-story buidling on W. 6, THAT is density. The square footage of land is fixed. So the only way you get high density is by having as many stories as possible---not having two short buildings--one which will remain a parking lot until some unknown date. [edit: I'm speaking generally here--I'm not saying 616' is short.] You act like this is the last company in the world who will ever build anything in Cleveland, so you want to fill in any open space and are calling that "density" when it actually it is just building a 35-story building.

I'll answer this---and will get downvoted for my answer---but I am very disappointed with a 616' / 36 story bldg when this easily could have been the tallest bldg in the city---and SHW even acknowledged that the bldg could have been significantly taller which is why they didn't build on the Jacobs lot---because the smaller footprint would have made it necessarily so.

I agree with this--we need shiny and glass (and no vertical lines)---and with creative use of colored lights for evenings and nights. Shiny glass will complement the other bldgs and will modernize the skyline. If we also stay grounded in that brown/grey brick look---then we will always have that look no many how many skyscrapers we have. We need to depart from that and move to shiny glass (like Hilton and a vertical-lineless-Lumen).

Hmmmm... @roman totale XVIII was simply referring a new round of Cleveland jokes which we as a city don't need. You need to hit the "ignore" button? Sounds like you're regressing to your pre-14 year old days if you can't handle that not everyone in the world likes the new team name like you do.

@roman totale XVIIand @Boomerang_Brian- you may not like my post above, but it is true nonetheless. At least such teasing or mocking questions like that will only continue while the news is new; after that, I'm sure it will fade away.

I now hear people outside of CLE asking, "what is Cleveland guarding?" with our new horrible name, we have to hear statements like that, at least for a few months.

Just saw this parody of the video that starts with addressing that very question:

Always difficult to prove who is right with opinions. But if we want to quantify things to provide some supporting evidence, there are probably more (college, HS, Jr High, elementary school) teams out there named "Guardians" than "Spiders", meaning the former is more generic and less special. For example, the Glastonbury Tomahawks are now the Glastonbury Guardians. https://www.courant.com/community/glastonbury/hc-news-glastonbury-guardians-mascot-20210323-lkxrqidlpzgfddrjpja6v6xptm-story.html However, it ultimately doesn't matter what you or I think. And granted, there were far worse names than "Guardians."

Yeah, it's fine. Mashed potatoes are fine, too. The name is generic and...."fine". Not great, not good, not bad. just fine. "Spiders" would have been a hell of a lot better. Too bad we're settling for just fine these days. Just like a 2---or even four--story bldg on Public Square for Sherwin Williams.....its fine. Not good, but we're not pushing for 10-12 stories at least to match the other shorter bldgs on the square, but rather, 'public rooftop access'.

That domain was registered on 06/25/2014. I'm sure whoever has it agreed to sell it to the Indians.

Stupid name; limited meaning. Yeah, I get the Lorain Carnegie Bridge connection. The Cleveland Spiders would have been a far more meaningful--and very cool and edgy---name. The "Guardians" is just so blah and ordinary.

I agree with this. The Delta experience--from facilities to staff you'll interface with---is much better on Delta compared to United. If I have to connect to get somewhere out of CLE, I'll take DL. If the destination is a non-stop to a UA city (like Houston), I'll take UA, but anywhere else, I'll take DL.

^I wouldn't mind a cool digital billboard like that with something cool at Playhouse Square---it would add to it.

Actually it's a great idea. The paint store wouldn't really be about a profitable store location, rather the PR aspect of it--and people can walk in there and get ideas for colors, or options, or mixes -- and talk to some very experienced paint people---employing the best of the best from the neighboring stores. People can stop in on their lunch hour or tourists anytime. walk out with the info and mix details they need, then go to their local SHW paint store with their car and have it mixed up for them.

Obviously the utilities don't on vertically downward forever. they still can, of course, use tunnels instead of skywalks if they really wanted to.

If by "Public space" we mean retail/restaurants that you enter from the street, then, fine---I'd say that would be nice, but not required. I agree that would be great to have a line of shops or restaurants on this block like their used to be at 1 and 33 Public Square, before these were torn down for the Ameritrust Bldg/Parking lot. I still remember that block. SHW may counter as say their "paint museum" is a public facility, designed to teach the public about paint, if they're till pushing the museum concept, not sure. I thought we were talking about space WITHIN the buildings like the atrium in the BP Bldg or the lower levels of the Huntington Bldg or Terminal Tower. But street-front retail---yes, that would be nice. "CEI, May Company, and 75 Public Square all have (or will have post-completion) public uses (restaurant/retail)" Will these be something other than street-facing uses or will they be something else accessible only from within the bldgs?

I don't care if it has zero public access---most buildings do not--CEI, may company, 75 Public Square, and a million other bldgs don't have public access---I don't get why there such a demand for it for this bldg. Public square IS--and by its name--PUBLIC and public space. We don't need public space inside this building; the public needs a proper design building and land use that doesn't look ridiculous--that is, it conforms to the existing land uses---so a minimum of 10-12 stories to be consistent with other structures (with the exception being the Old Stone Church) and at the building line of all other buildings on the square (including the Old Stone Church). Not building the tower on the square is bad enough---but I guess we can't change that---but this BS of a 2 (or 4) story building that is SET BACK? That's a big FU to the city of Cleveland and the public.

Thanks for posting these views. From this angle it clearly shows just how utterly horrible the thing on Public Square is. Imagine if they showed a view from the sidewalk--it would look substantially even worse. I'd say the structure MUST BE at least the height of the Renaissance Hotel/May Co/CEI Bldg----and MUST NOT BE set back.

That would add to the pavilion's cost; i'd think if they were thinking of building a hotel on top of it--they would have presented such today---and would not propose the ridiculous set-back from the square to maximize floor plates.

Were any final decisions made? Or was this just a presentation of what SHW wants to do? I hope this is just the first iteration and the city can push back. The pavilion thing is ridiculous--not only is it two stories on Public Square (the previous blds were about 12 stories and at a time when the other non-Terminal Tower quadrants didn't have tall bldgs like BP and Key) -- but now we see that it doesn't even use the buidling line to enclose the square, but it is set back? WTF? Is Public Square not big enough of an open space in front of the bldg? "the Pavilion is the front porch to Public Square"--the guy said at the meeting. What the hell does that supposed to mean? I hate the skybridges---but hate 2-story pavilion even more----and even more so with the set-back. Sounds like they're a done deal. Showing the bldg on W. 6 is a bit disingenuous unless those plans are fairly immediate. The tower is okay--a bit bulky and that it is shorter than the BP Bldg is disappointing---shorter than the company that left town 10 years ago. Being as bulky as it is---and that "other bldg" on West 6th---they could have made a slender--and thus TALLER bldg to compensate that they're not on Public Square. Any discussion on keeping Frankort open or retail on the St. Clair side of the parking garage? What is likely to change from the presentation given any possible pushback from the city?