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Ah! I see a lot of support for the menacing circle. I get their efficiency in some places, I just don't see it at Detroit and Lake. We need intersections like that which this city is constantly destroying. To Yabo713 who presents Dupont Circle, Washington has many many diagonals which give the city character, so an occasional circle works, plus there is greater density at Dupont Circle. Putting a circle at 75th and Detroit is about as smart as when RTA destroys buildings and activity to put a 'transit center' after obliterating the ridership that was originally there, like at 22nd and Prospect. KJP--where in NYC are these things, with the exception of Columbus Circle?

Why would you want a giant circle like that in the middle of Detroit Ave? This is isn't a rural or suburban area---this is in the city and the street system works completely fine here. A circle would take out lots of property and kill the urban vibe.

So they have two locations on E. 12 or they moved? If they have two, that means we have now have--with DGX--three places to buy groceries on E.12 and Chester/Superior.

^I agree. Based on data from the Brookings Report, cited above, Where jobs are concentrating and why it matters to cities and regions (https://www.brookings.edu/research/where-jobs-are-concentrating-why-it-matters-to-cities-and-regions/). The report has a map of all cities, color-coded, by 2004-15 change. I instead chose 2012 to reflect life in the post-recession world. Change in Job density in job dense areas from 2012 to 2015: Akron: -19% (see note under Seattle) Chicago: 6% Cincinnati: 15% Cleveland: 13% -- ranked 17 out of 94. Columbus: 9% Dayton: -1% Detroit: 17% Philly: 13% Pittsburgh: -6% San Francisco: 30% -- the highest on the list Seattle: -21% --the worst on the list of 94 metros. Akron was 2nd worst. Toledo: 0% All US Metros: 7% I also ranked the raw job densities for 2015 for the 94 cities. Cleveland came in at a respectable 18. Here are the top 30: Rank City 2015 Density 1New York, NY-NJ-PA 138,541 2San Francisco, CA 54,375 3Urban Honolulu, HI 51,554 4Chicago, IL-IN-WI 42,428 5Seattle, WA 35,122 6Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD 25,338 7Pittsburgh, PA 19,320 8Minneapolis, MN-WI 17,631 9Los Angeles, CA 17,386 10Las Vegas, NV 15,633 11Denver, CO 15,259 12New Haven, CT 15,000 13Portland, OR-WA 12,978 14Houston, TX 12,556 15Hartford, CT 12,471 16Baltimore, MD 12,397 17New Orleans, LA 11,754 18Cleveland, OH 11,578 19San Jose, CA 11,133 20Nashville, TN 10,143 21Miami, FL 9,020 22Dallas, TX 8,896 23Atlanta, GA 8,641 24Charlotte, NC-SC 8,092 25Detroit, MI 8,071 26San Diego, CA 7,937 27Rochester, NY 7,635 28Austin, TX 7,502 29Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN 7,484 30Albany, NY 7,253

^Did the geographies used in the study period for each city stay constant from 2004 to 2015? Or is each year subject to different boundaries based on where the job agglomerations were occurring? I also ranked the raw job densities for 2015 for the 94 cities. Cleveland came in at a respectable 18. Here are the top 30: Rank City 2015 Density 1New York, NY-NJ-PA 138,541 2San Francisco, CA 54,375 3Urban Honolulu, HI 51,554 4Chicago, IL-IN-WI 42,428 5Seattle, WA 35,122 6Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD 25,338 7Pittsburgh, PA 19,320 8Minneapolis, MN-WI 17,631 9Los Angeles, CA 17,386 10Las Vegas, NV 15,633 11Denver, CO 15,259 12New Haven, CT 15,000 13Portland, OR-WA 12,978 14Houston, TX 12,556 15Hartford, CT 12,471 16Baltimore, MD 12,397 17New Orleans, LA 11,754 18Cleveland, OH 11,578 19San Jose, CA 11,133 20Nashville, TN 10,143 21Miami, FL 9,020 22Dallas, TX 8,896 23Atlanta, GA 8,641 24Charlotte, NC-SC 8,092 25Detroit, MI 8,071 26San Diego, CA 7,937 27Rochester, NY 7,635 28Austin, TX 7,502 29Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN 7,484 30Albany, NY 7,253

There used to be a full grocery in the Reserve complex---it was small, but had produce, meats, non-perishables. Is that still operational? I haven't been there in a few years--but it was certainly there in 2012 or 2013 when I was there last. Maybe it closed and if so, DGX is simply filling a void that was created in terms of groceries--within the building---for the people who lived in the buildings and nearby by Chesterfield.

^based on data from the Brookings Report, cited above, Where jobs are concentrating and why it matters to cities and regions (https://www.brookings.edu/research/where-jobs-are-concentrating-why-it-matters-to-cities-and-regions/). The report has a map of all cities, color-coded, by 2004-15 change. I instead chose 2012 to reflect life in the post-recession world. Change in Job density from 2012 to 2015: Akron: -19% (see note under Seattle) Chicago: 6% Cincinnati: 15% Cleveland: 13% -- ranked 17 out of 94. Columbus: 9% Dayton: -1% Detroit: 17% Philly: 13% Pittsburgh: -6% San Francisco: 30% -- the highest on the list Seattle: -21% --the worst on the list of 94 metros. Akron was 2nd worst. Toledo: 0% All US Metros: 7%

Quote from gottaplan: Thanks Htsguy! Gottaplan---There are 3m people in Cleveland---1.2M if you only count Cuyahoga county. OF COURSE there are at least a few thousand people who would love to live in a condo downtown. There are plenty of younger people with $40-50k in savings for housing. People able and/or wise enough to have that much cash in their 20s and 30s, are likely not the same people that will spend $36k/yr in rent so the the option to live downtown isn't there. With condos it is. Also, and I hope, owners can do what they want with their property as owners and some restrictive 'condo association' doesn't run the place that doesn't allow any renting. Assuming owners can rent, when young people want to move out to another city or the suburbs, they could keep the asset and rent it out. No need to sell and it would rent easier than a $400k house in the suburbs. Plus as others have mentioned 'empty nesters'---why should they want to throw away $36k a year in rent? Clearly many do. But many do not. Condos give them the option to downsize from bigger homes and live downtown without throwing away the money in rent. Bottom line----there is a giant demand for condos downtown---far more than one building will meet.

"90s IBM in the burbs" Totally. I truly hope its condos in play here. Its sorely needed.

^that's cool, thanks. Hate setbacks.

Will that Animal Clinic go all the way to the sidewalks on both 25 and Seymour? It looks like it might, but can't tell.

Nice photos. Where on the great lakes was it built?

Finally some more condos Downtown! This is great news -- if I can afford it, I'd consider living there. Awaiting your details...

That's interesting perspective. So many other bldgs have been announced more than 2 years ago it seems---Nucleus and warehouse district, for example, and they have yet to turn a single shovel of dirt.

The City owns the I-X center, right? I doubt they would buy land in Brook Park (outside of the City) and build a new facility there which would be very expensive. The city bought the I-X center years ago as part of its plans to expand things at Hopkins.

^Understood, thanks. I was indeed referring to the new Residence Inn by the Clinic. 175 is not too bad. The Courtyard by UH has about 150 rooms. By comparison the new Hilton has about 600 rooms, the Renaissance at Public Square has 490 rooms, and the Kimpton Schofield has about 120 rooms.

^Exactly! That's how I see it too. (I wouldn't end Midtown in the horizontal middle of Hough! [at 79 St.]). Thanks for this. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. So it begs the initial question---why would an organization dedicated to Midtown exclude part of it? Its not an issue of "branding" a place, as it is what it is whether or not the signs say so. I've never seen a sign in life that says "Industrial Valley" (and I'm glad I haven't) or "Kirtland Park" but those are recognized places/areas. And if you see Fairfax branding around CC--that's fine as part of the clinic is in fairfax.

^Not exactly. Midtown overlaps OTHER neighborhoods. Fairfax runs from about E.65 and Euclid and all the way to Woodland and what would be woodland and 105. and Hough runs from E55 to 105. So Hough and Fairfax cover "Midtown" between 55/65 and 105. Cleveland Clinic is no doubt in Midtown. And no doubt in Hough and Fairfax also. If "Midtown" did not want to overlap with Fairfax and Hough, then it would not exist east of E. 55, but it does.

^79 to 105 (from Chester to Cedar) is Midtown as well. I find it strange the organization "MidTown Cleveland" excludes this area. What do they call that area, Clevelandclinicland? Its definitely not University Circle.

How many rooms is the new hotel?

I love this idea. There are retail post offices in every community in America while banks increasingly try to screw you at every turn and while Trump overturns citizen protections inspired by the Great Recession and the practices that banks were doing that caused it. Why Cleveland Wants to Bring Back Postal Banking "In the United States, the post office is for mailing letters, and the bank is for cashing checks. That’s not the case in France, Italy, Japan, China, Brazil, India, and New Zealand, all of which offer financial services like money transfers through their post offices. And it wasn’t always true in the U.S.: For half a century, the the U.S. Postal Service offered a Postal Savings System, which at one point held 10 percent of the entire commercial banking system’s asset stash.... Postal banking advocates are focusing on Baltimore, the Bronx, and Cleveland because there’s political support for the idea in those regions, plus plenty of potential customers...in the Cleveland area, around a quarter of residents are un- or underbanked..." https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/06/cleveland-post-office-banking-cash-check-predatory-lending/590557/

We've had over half a century of decline citywide and citywide we are still in decline mode--or critical at best. There is absolutely no case for eliminating any part of a program that is showing to be working.

✈️ Hmmmmm....it wasn't obvious? ? Okay, I will use emoticons.? I've never used them before. (Really.) They're kindof fun. ? I see now why people ❤️ them.

Mods--just saw the Q thread--didn't see it before. Feel free to move the above two posts to that thread! Thanks.

I've heard "Rocket Mortgage Field House" for a while, but didn't know what it was. Definitely something baseball-related with the word "field" in it, though it could have been soccer. Just learned that its the new name for the "Q". What a crappy, long, and cumbersome name. Especially compared to "The Q" and especially as its the same company as Quicken. And "Field" is a reference to baseball--that's why I always thought it was minor league stadium or something in the suburbs. There's no "field" in basketball--its a court. Not enough guts to call it "Court House" or something else more creative with "Court"? What a really Sh*tty change for the city.