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WTF?!? They owe the public at least some explanation for throwing everyone on a bus for the pm rush hour. RTA can't afford to treat their passengers as sh!t who they can step on--they need to treat them with respect if they want to keep them. Looks like the new acting head is in over this head!

Why such a difference in costs?

Great news. 500 x 45,000 (average per job?) x 2.5% income tax =$562,000 in city income tax alone from these employees, not to mention the broader benefits---more people downtown, more support of restaurants and other retail, and more vacant Class A office space absorbed adding pressure for a new tower.

^If they're managing $65B in assets, they need the proper stature of a Downtown address, not one in the 'burbs! You should drop them a note KJP!

Based on the first map you can see that Cleveland extends as far to the south as the canadian border is to the north.

^No one asks people where they live/work. Its based on employer data submitted to the gov't. the data is not perfect. Sometimes the head office shows up on as place of work than the actual place. In this case, they could work for the state or for a columbus company like huntington bank. You really think 11,000 people commute from Columbus to CLE each day/week? Certainly SOME PEOPLE do, but its likely not that many. Most probably work for a local branch/store of a Cleveland-based company.

AmrapinVA---here's Streetboro:

The data is from here: https://onthemap.ces.census.gov/ Great resource. You can also do the opposite. Above I said Twinsburg was where people lived. But you could say, it is where people WORK and then determine from where they are commuting from.

And here's Hudson:

ooops. ignore the Franklin County in the data above. Thats an error. Those people work of for the State of Ohio--could be downtown CLE or other state agency in the area, but the official "HQ" address is Columbus, so it shows up that way.

Twinsburg.

^Its all Cleveland. Re Wadsworth, here are the top five places and related percentages where their residents work: 1. Wadsworth city, OH 14.7% --Cleveland MSA 2. Akron city, OH 13.0%--Akron 3. Cleveland city, OH 9.3% -- Cleveland 4. Medina city, OH 3.7% --Cleveland 5. Barberton city, OH 2.7% --Akron Same deal with Northfield. Its Cleveland. Here are the top five cities of work: Cleveland city, OH 10.0% Solon city, OH 7.7% Northfield village, OH 6.4% Twinsburg city, OH 4.1% Macedonia city, OH 3.8%

Campus International is Downtown and is an IB school. Near West Intergerational School is supposed to be excellent and its in Ohio City on 38 St. Both are free, but its harder to get into Campus Int'l because of greater demand. If you live in Ohio City, you can walk to Near West. Near West is a charter school; Campus is a City school with affiliations to Cleveland State University on whose campus it is located.

After I didn't go to MLang I hit that shop on Euclid and bought a whole rack of suits for just $799! (just kidding)

That's too bad about M Lang. I've looked in the window myself and decided to check the place out one day. If i saw something I liked, I certainly would have bought it if reasonably priced. I was certainly interested enough to go instead after looking at the window. But then, at the door, I saw you had to buzz to get in and said 'screw that' and kept on walking.

Here's the last master plan, complete with new hotel, office bldg, garage expanded and with 2 levels added, a bunch of other stuff that was never done--and no date on the document.... airports have to do a master plan, they just don't have to implement any of it, except maybe airfield safety related items. http://www.clevelandairport.com/sites/default/files/CLE-Master-Plan-PP.pdf

These metro areas (CSAs/MSAs) aren’t merged without local buy-in, no matter what the commuting patterns say. In other words, for Cleveland/Akron to become a MSA, Akron officials would have to agree to this. If Akron were become part of the Cleveland MSA, it would essentially become a Cleveland suburb (in many ways, it already IS a Cleveland suburb), and I’m pretty sure that many Akron officials would have a problem with that. Remember, the Summit county line comes within 10 miles of Downtown Cleveland. All of the cities in Summit County north of the turnpike are factually Cleveland suburbs, not Akron suburbs. The bottom line is that everyone knows that Akron is a part of Greater Cleveland. I think we sometimes get too caught up in these MSA definitions. They are so inconsistent defined across the country, that they’re basically useless in comparing metro areas. At least CSAs are more consistently defined, although many are too broad. This isn't true. Local officials have no say in the MSA definitions. Zero. It's just a tool the government uses for statistical purposes and there is a clear definition available on the Census Bureau website. Pontiac is correct--it is true. Locals have influence--especially those with fancy lobbyists in Washington. No way Akron becomes part of CLE without Akron raising hell. So it comes down to political will in Washington if its worth the fight. CLE wouldn't fight for it as they don't give a crap (about much) even though it would strongly benefit the city.

Hopkins Airport service turns 50yrs old in November. 1st airport-to-downtown service in America. https://www.progressiverailroading.com/passenger_rail/news/Cleveland-RTA-to-mark-50th-anniversary-of-airport-service--55641

^It's not just commuting patterns. Its also matters if a county is an economic center itself. the county in Indiana discussed above is just rural and has ties to Cincy, so it was included. Plenty of people in summit county drive to Cleveland each day for work. But Akron is its own city, so additional rules must be overcome to tie the two together.

You're completely right. Its not consistent. Summit and Portage counties are very tied to the economy of Cleveland and many communities in those counties would not exist without Cleveland. Akron City itself is tied to Cleveland. Akron should be be part of the Cleveland MSA. Akron actively fights this though as they want their own identity, which is silly as it hurts both them and the region.

^Actually, Cleveland has always been the largest. Summit and Portage counties are an integral part of Cleveland, but they are not included in OMB's definition of Cleveland, so the numbers reported for Cleveland are not accurate.

^ Besides Michigan where else did Ohio's 3C funding go?

^Dude, I was just kidding!

imjustinjk--would you prefer if Burke was expanded--with longer runways and a new terminal--so that it could host more flights and routes?

Spoken like a true graduate student. I reply thusly: There are plenty of very intelligent urban planners who can give you a laundry list of reasons why Burke IS the “highest and best use” at the current time and foreseeable future. There are plenty of not-so-bright urban planners who can give you a laundry list of reasons why Burke isn’t the “highest and best use”. So...such grand statements do little to convince anyone of anything. BKL serves more than the rich. It serves everyone. It minimizes clutter traffic at Hopkins--so if you ever use Hopkins, you benefit. It supports the city as a medical hub as patients are flown in from around the world by the Cleveland Clinic. Those are just a few examples. I agree that "wasting our lakefront space in downtown isn't viable" but we've been doing that for decades between the Port and E. 9. It makes no sense to have useless concrete there between W3 and E9, only to add to it by tearing down an existing economic asset that is Burke.