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Cleveland Hopkins is the 6th fastest growing airport in the US at 11%. Among airports "MID-SIZED AIRPORTS Between 3m and 20m departing seats", CLE ranked 5th. Rank Code Airport 2016-17 2017-18 Growth 1 CVG Cincinnati 4,356,941 5,143,492 18% (rank among airports with 3m-30m seats) 1 FLL Fort Lauderdale 18,071,964 20,140,923 11% (rank #1 amongst big airports) 2 AUS Austin 7,633,766 8,877,639 16% (rank among airports with 3m-30m seats) 3 SJC San Jose 7,340,688 8,457,906 15% (rank among airports with 3m-30m seats) 4 BUR Burbank 3,085,852 3,546,459 15% (rank among airports with 3m-30m seats) 5 CLE Cleveland 5,222,981 5,799,602 11% (rank among airports with 3m-30m seats) "#5 Cleveland Hopkins: Americas hottest city. Cleveland is a city of biomedical and “smart” manufacturing startups, luring the brightest talent from Boston, Austin, and Silicon Valley...." https://www.oag.com/hubfs/Free_Reports/NAM%20Growth%20Index/NAM%20Fastest%20Growing%20Airports.pdf [cross-posted in Hopkins Airport thread]

Yet, before he skipped town, Ned Hill had an influential role to develop such a regional strategy....so he was part of the problem.

What's with all the ultrasensitivity? I was trying to understand. Here's what I said: "Re the posts further above on Shake Shack. Its a chain burger place--as are Wendys or McDonalds--are we that desperate for development in Cleveland that we get all excited about a burger and fries place? Am I missing something?" It IS, according to the replies a burger and fries place. And people ARE excited about it. So that is pretty "desperate" of us as a community. Sorry if you're offended by that. Or if you think the burger place is fine dining. Or whatever.

Thanks all for the insight. I'm not complaining about Shake Shack--just trying to understand what it is that people are so enthusiastic about it. To that end, why would I complain if Columbus or Cinci got something before Cleveland if I had no idea what the something was? No need to make this a C vs C vs C matter.

^so 925 is holding is up!

^love Mexican--so looking forward to Blue Habanero. Re the posts further above on Shake Shack. Its a chain burger place--as are Wendys or McDonalds--are we that desperate for development in Cleveland that we get all excited about a burger and fries place? Am I missing something?

carnevalem--not sure I get your list above. there are hundreds of tiny airports across the US--it doesn't mean that an airport or its level of service is adequate. For example: Cleveland - Akron 30mi Distinct Boston - Worcester: 40mi Distinct If you live in Akron or Worcester, MOST of your flights will be out of CLE or BOS. And for this one: Akron - Youngstown 45mi Distinct If you live in Akron MOST of your flights will be out of CLE, certainly no one is driving to YNG and SOME of your flights will be out of Akron-Canton Airport. But if you live in YNG, probably less than 1% of air travel demand is fulfilled by YNG and its likely about 50-50 to CLE and PIT---maybe 60-40 CLE-PIT.

Why protest a cinema/theater? I would assume it would show different movies than what's shown at Tower City. A small live theater would be a cool idea as well---with a small stage and 100-200 seats. Could be a cool venue. In addition, for this to be a convenient, livable neighborhood, we need dry cleaners/laundry, drug store, small hardware store, bodega open 24/7. I agree--it can't all be bars and higher priced restaurants.

Yes. Two bldgs were torn down there to make space for the Ameritrust Tower. If I recall correctly, their addresses were 1 PS and 33 PS. No idea why remember that!

^and don't forget the potential for 1/33 Public Square:

^another buidling as well---i think its called the Park Bldg---between May co and ontario was done about 5 yrs ago.

^the city needs both---major residential investment (and related street-level activity) at at Nucleus AND in the warehouse district. Public Square is big---but now that 55 Public Square will have some residential the big gap that is public square will also be lessened. I had always wanted the Ameritrust site to be a big office tower---but perhaps it too should be off office and residential---say floors 2-20 apartments, 21-60 offices, and 61-90 condos using three separate elevator banks.

I assume Cleveland Browns Stadium. Very few non-media people here call it F**** E*****. Thanks. I read it as Columbia Broadcasting System.....which made no sense. I never heard Browns Stadium called CBS. I just say 'Browns Stadium' though I have said "muny stadium" or "Municipal Stadium" a few times.....I know its a different structure....but the location is the same. I am old.

^They are clearly having some issues if cutting half or so of all staff nationwide, so who knows what's going on internally and where they think they can best turn things around.....I would say at the moment, expansion in any location in on hold...... though if Cleveland were smart, they'd position the city to say, "save costs and consolidate locations and do so in Cleveland." I don't have much hope for the City doing that, but maybe Bioenterprise could make that pitch if anyone knows anyone there.....

IBM Watson Health reportedly laying off 50-70% of its workforce. Cleveland impacted as well: http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20180529/NEWS/180529928

^what is the CBS?

How about as a ballroom? There's always a need for interesting and beautiful venues for events. If not that, I'd say a stage of some sort--and make it into a type of theater---it will 'play' well into the ever-growing theater district.

Found a one person one dot map for CLE. As indicated above by someone, it is focused on race. The white area straight down the middle that indicates no people is the Cuyahoga Valley. Other areas of no people are mostly transporatation corridors or industrial areas (of which the valley is a part). https://localwiki.org/cleveland/Racial_Map_of_Cleveland/_files/2010-cleveland-race-map.png/_info/

^the last chart above is very interesting. It shows that if columbus didn't force annexation through dehydration, it actually lost 40% of its population between 1950 and 2016. (regarding your x mile circles around downtown comments, remember, for Cleveland you only get half a circle as north of City Hall is the lake.)

jonoh81---I don't think anyone was criticizing Columbus here. I think people are just surprised by the density numbers you showed relative to Cleveland and Cincinnati as Columbus is very much perceived as a sprawling suburb with little dense development. I can't say that the perception is unwarranted. I personally have been in the "City of Columbus" and was in a cornfield and then later in an area of suburban tract housing.

This has come up a few times before - Cincy and Cleveland feel more dense because the neighborhoods themselves likely are, but each city has more land taken up by things like undeveloped hillsides, flood plains, and industry than Columbus does, so the overall average density is much lower. Looking at a map of Cincinnati's city limits - nearly 1/3 of the land is either undeveloped hillsides or in the Ohio/Little Miami flood plain. The Mill Creek Valley is entirely industrial from St. Bernard to the Ohio River. The rail yards alone in Queensgate/Camp Washington are larger than all of Over-the-Rhine. That's a ton of acreage with 0 people per square mile. Ram---that makes sense. Lakewood--on the west side of Cleveland is 9000/sq mile---but the city only has one big industrial area---so other than some retail, parks, schools, and roads, the city is all residential. Cleveland, of course, has lots of industrial and commericial areas and the entire flats. I'd be curious what Cleveland's density would be just removing the flats south of the East/west bank areas.

Htsguy---I'm not sure so many people would care. You could move into that bldg and pay $1400/month--$50,000 after 3 years---money down the toilet----or live in the same unit in the same building and probably own 1/3 of it in the same period of time. I would love to live downtown, but I"m not throwing $50k down the toilet in three years or $100k in six years. I think i am not unique. There are probably THOUSANDS upon thousands of would-be buyers out there---but since banks control everything--the product is not there. What does HPTC stand for?

^Density: Cleveland: 4,961.7 Columbus: 4,023.7 Cincinnati: 3,865.8 Is this accurate? Both Cleveland and Cincinnati feel much more dense than Columbus, especially Cleveland. Is this because of all the OSU dorms?

^That's good. Yeah, I learned the hard way. Am a member of the Natural History Museum and went to the Science Center thinking it was free---showed by Natural History Museum card, only to get denied by the 90-mile rule! Looking at the list, there are institutions outside the US as well.

The Great Lakes Science Center and the Cleveland Museum of Natural History are two of about 75-100 science-related museums natonwide one could visit for free when being a member of one of the museums on the list, with the exception that if you cannot visit another museum within 90 miles of your 'home' institution of which you are a member. In other words, if you join the Natural History museum, you can visit similar museums nationwide, but NOT the science museum downtown. If your home museum is in NYC, then you can visit both for free. http://greatscience.com/members/museum-reciprocity http://www.astc.org/passport/