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  • East Cleveland's enormous challenges do not simply stop at its borders. The sh*ttier it gets, the more Glenville, Collinwood, Euclid, Richmond Heights and Cleveland Heights are infected by blight, cri

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    Completely disagree. It would be better for East Cleveland, Cleveland and the county for EC to merge. First of all, we already have too many cities in this county to begin with and we all know it. But

  • Long term, East Cleveland is well positioned to be a thriving neighborhood with its excellent proximity and access to University Circle.  Bringing it under Cleveland's umbrella will help move it in th

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^Just did a google streetview of the place--14660 Euclid--its a classy place. Liquor store next door--boarded up "donuts & restaurant" on the other side--and Super Wash with "Free Dry" across the street!

The ruins on Chapman stuff is just really depressing and sad.

 

Wow. Turning that streetview back to 2007 it looks like such a normal, stable, even nice area - https://goo.gl/maps/8WAjtjZtQdo

 

And then 10 years later it looks like Berlin after the war...

 

I didn't realize they had knocked down such a solid building. That's a huge bummer.

 

On a more general note, as far gone as much of the building stock is, there is still a lot of solid housing stock on the residential streets southeast of Euclid. Obviously there are abandoned houses scattered throughout, but a lot of those blocks have residents that clearly care and are doing the best they can with such giant old houses.

 

https://goo.gl/maps/vywsZmmtHcT2

 

The section between Euclid and Forest Hill Ave is particularly solid.

 

https://goo.gl/maps/q7RpReqHDM12

 

https://goo.gl/maps/TwR8dMD75HN2

 

Rosemont Rd is probably my favorite, though.

 

https://goo.gl/maps/mEQm2RmBGY32

https://goo.gl/maps/ZvUCTi6UVfP2

 

 

A critical factor of those residential streets is that, despite having some still-widespread abandonment, the houses are overwhelmingly intact. The streets aren't bombed-out urban prairies and, on top of that, the houses are unique and significant. I wouldn't sleep on this section of EC because as soon as conditions are right (meaning, the city can actually provide services) I think these streets will rapidly receive attention.

 

 

at least they still have Angela Mia pizza

  • 2 months later...

Judge tosses out cash-strapped East Cleveland's rental-occupancy fee program, deeming it unconstitutional after challenges from major landlords. https://t.co/NfA8ZhYf4Z #CRE

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

We all saw this exact result coming from the moment they announced the increase. Its true, many cities charge higher than $100. South Euclid charges $200 for a single family home - but we have inspections, and a cap on what can be charged for multi family. East Cleveland had neither.

What happens to a city in the state of Ohio if just can't pay its bills, its cops, or anyone? Can the state of Ohio dissolve its charter and "give" the land to the city of Cleveland? what would happen to any existing creditors of E CLE debt?

 

Fiscal Caution, Watch and Emergency

When a local government or Ohio school system encounters budgetary problems, it may be placed in fiscal caution, fiscal watch or fiscal emergency status.

https://ohioauditor.gov/fiscaldistress.html

 

 

East Cleveland has been in fiscal emergency since 1988.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I find East Cleveland so intriguing.

 

Went to Cleveland on vacation with a few buddies, and we decided to casually drive through the area as it was becoming twilight.

 

I thought circa 2001 Over the Rhine was bad...East Cleveland probably surpasses it. I've been to many cities in America and across Europe and what I saw of East Cleveland was probably the most depressing state of a portion of a city I've s seen in my 20 years of traveling. Honestly surprised this doesn't get more nationwide news coverage.

 

Btw, driving at night was absolutely terrifying. Even in our locked up SUV, a homeless man standing at the corner came up and attempted to open the door to the SUV as we were sitting on a red light. Then he began to take some object and bang the windows with said object. There was a small crack but luckily nothing major.

 

Pretty archetecture in some areas for sure of East Cleveland, but many of the structures look like they need to be emergency razed. It's sad, because it seems like East Cleveland could be a stand out neighborhood if it wasn't for the fact it's terrifying.

I find East Cleveland so intriguing.

 

Went to Cleveland on vacation with a few buddies, and we decided to casually drive through the area as it was becoming twilight.

 

I thought circa 2001 Over the Rhine was bad...East Cleveland probably surpasses it. I've been to many cities in America and across Europe and what I saw of East Cleveland was probably the most depressing state of a portion of a city I've s seen in my 20 years of traveling. Honestly surprised this doesn't get more nationwide news coverage.

 

Btw, driving at night was absolutely terrifying. Even in our locked up SUV, a homeless man standing at the corner came up and attempted to open the door to the SUV as we were sitting on a red light. Then he began to take some object and bang the windows with said object. There was a small crack but luckily nothing major.

 

Pretty archetecture in some areas for sure of East Cleveland, but many of the structures look like they need to be emergency razed. It's sad, because it seems like East Cleveland could be a stand out neighborhood if it wasn't for the fact it's terrifying.

 

Fortunately for OTR, it was a part of a major US city. East Cleveland is not. It has the crime of a Newark, Cleveland, Detroit, Cincinnati, Memphis, etc. without any of the resources. Combined that with some of the most corrupt politicians and city officials over the years, and you get EC.

 

Fortunately for OTR, it was a part of a major US city. East Cleveland is not. It has the crime of a Newark, Cleveland, Detroit, Cincinnati, Memphis, etc. without any of the resources. Combined that with some of the most corrupt politicians and city officials over the years, and you get EC.

 

The corruption and incompetence you see in East Cleveland is what dominated Cleveland in the 1960s and 70s. So when I hear people decry Cleveland for being average, my response is: "Isn't progress wonderful?"

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Pretty archetecture in some areas for sure of East Cleveland, but many of the structures look like they need to be emergency razed. It's sad, because it seems like East Cleveland could be a stand out neighborhood if it wasn't for the fact it's terrifying.

 

Just a reminder that East Cleveland isn't a neighborhood but its own city. But absolutely, still some outstanding architecture there.

Fiscal Caution, Watch and Emergency

When a local government or Ohio school system encounters budgetary problems, it may be placed in fiscal caution, fiscal watch or fiscal emergency status.

https://ohioauditor.gov/fiscaldistress.html

 

East Cleveland has been in fiscal emergency since 1988.

 

Thanks. But that web site didn't detail what any of those statuses mean. If E CLE has been in 'emergency' since 1988, its not that meaningful---as that's now "normal" if its been that way for 30 years.  It seems like NOW its in an emergency. Such declarations are meaningless without some kind of policy response or action to to do something or remedy the situation.

I find East Cleveland so intriguing.

 

Went to Cleveland on vacation with a few buddies, and we decided to casually drive through the area as it was becoming twilight....

 

Btw, driving at night was absolutely terrifying. Even in our locked up SUV, a homeless man standing at the corner came up and attempted to open the door to the SUV as we were sitting on a red light. Then he began to take some object and bang the windows with said object. There was a small crack but luckily nothing major.

 

....seems like East Cleveland could be a stand out neighborhood if it wasn't for the fact it's terrifying.

 

Ummmm, basic rule:  if you're at a red light at night in East Cle and someone approaches your vehicle, you blow the light. No questions about it. Also, always stop with enough space to maneuver from the car in front of you--don't pull up so close that you can't suddenly escape if you need to.

Fiscal Caution, Watch and Emergency

When a local government or Ohio school system encounters budgetary problems, it may be placed in fiscal caution, fiscal watch or fiscal emergency status.

https://ohioauditor.gov/fiscaldistress.html

 

East Cleveland has been in fiscal emergency since 1988.

 

Thanks. But that web site didn't detail what any of those statuses mean. If E CLE has been in 'emergency' since 1988, its not that meaningful---as that's now "normal" if its been that way for 30 years.  It seems like NOW its in an emergency. Such declarations are meaningless without some kind of policy response or action to to do something or remedy the situation.

 

Looking at the place, it's not hard to believe a fiscal emergency has existed for 30 years.  That would explain why it's in tatters.  It doesn't explain why we've let that happen.

Because in America and especially in Ohio, cities and neighborhoods are expendable. Furthermore, if we can say "the free market dictated it" then somehow everyone is OK with it, as if an act of God caused it.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Because in America and especially in Ohio, cities and neighborhoods are expendable. Furthermore, if we can say "the free market dictated it" then somehow everyone is OK with it, as if an act of God caused it.

 

Thing is, free market didn't dictate this.

 

East Cleveland is one of the few cities in fiscal trouble that I can look at and say "Conservative policy had nothing to do with this."

 

This is decades of neglect, corruption, irresponsible spending, and cronyism.

Because in America and especially in Ohio, cities and neighborhoods are expendable. Furthermore, if we can say "the free market dictated it" then somehow everyone is OK with it, as if an act of God caused it.

 

Thing is, free market didn't dictate this.

 

East Cleveland is one of the few cities in fiscal trouble that I can look at and say "Conservative policy had nothing to do with this."

 

This is decades of neglect, corruption, irresponsible spending, and cronyism.

 

I would say this is a combination of market forces (10%), racism (both individual and federal policy (40%) corruption, etc (50%)

Because in America and especially in Ohio, cities and neighborhoods are expendable. Furthermore, if we can say "the free market dictated it" then somehow everyone is OK with it, as if an act of God caused it.

 

Thing is, free market didn't dictate this.

 

East Cleveland is one of the few cities in fiscal trouble that I can look at and say "Conservative policy had nothing to do with this."

 

This is decades of neglect, corruption, irresponsible spending, and cronyism.

 

I would say this is a combination of market forces (10%), racism (both individual and federal policy (40%) corruption, etc (50%)

 

I'd re-align that to 10/30/60

^ I was debating that myself.  Your breakdown seems fair.

  • 4 weeks later...

County is assisting East Cleveland in demolishing 80 more abandoned properties.

 

Eighty homes within a 15-block radius are being torn down in a push by the Cuyahoga Land Bank to clear out a swath of blighted properties in this impoverished suburb.

The demolitions began in July and will conclude at the end of October. Dozens of houses have already been cleared out in the neighborhood between Shaw, Manhattan, Scioto and Hayden avenues.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/news/erry-2018/08/b71d45b2941541/eighty-blighted-homes-being-de.html

That's sad.^^ East Cleveland has some real character and charming architecture...Demolishing these vacant homes for grassy vacant lots seems like a minimal upgrade at best.

 

It reminds me of when things in Over the Rhine got so bad after the riots in the early 2000's, that there was talks about razing the entire historical neighborhood outright and start fresh again....I hope that doesn't become the case...

 

 

The east side of Cleveland (minus University Circle and Little Italy) and the city of East Cleveland appear to be headed the direction of the north side of St. Louis or parts of east Detroit. Huge swaths of urban prairie with barely sign of the neighborhoods that once stood there. Very sad indeed.

It's bad but it's not that bad. Glenville, North Collinwod, Euclid-Green, Lee-Miles, Buckeye-Shaker are all pretty heavily populated and Midtown plus Central are gaining in population after decades of decline.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

St Clair-Superior has stabilized too, plus the asian population is growing, I think.

It's bad but it's not that bad. Glenville, North Collinwod, Euclid-Green, Lee-Miles, Buckeye-Shaker are all pretty heavily populated and Midtown plus Central are gaining in population after decades of decline.

 

I would add South Collinwood to the list. I own rental property in South Collinwood. There's a lot of activity near Collinwood High School and Ted Ginn's school.

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On 4/9/2017 at 10:55 PM, KJP said:

GE could be getting out of the lighting business; Nela Park's future not clear

 

 

GE Lighting has been on the market now for about 2 years and there doesn't seem to be a line of buyers at GE's door, although Samsung is one name that has been mentioned. I wonder if it might be in GE's interest to keep it at least for the next five years or so.  Most of the capital investment has been written off by now; not much new capital is required; it IS profitable (according to reports), and it's a reliable source of cash, even if not a lot. The new CEO's style is a small headquarters with the management at the division level. NELA Park fits that philosophy and actually is hiring at the moment - 38 posted job openings. With all the other turmoil at GE these days, Lighting isn't really a problem. 

 

I would feel more encouraged if there were a "final solution" for East Cleveland ready to happen. 

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

Another New York license plate, @KJP?

I should laugh, but I won't.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

  • 2 months later...
  • 3 weeks later...

This is a little dated, but Cleveland Heights and the Cleveland Heights CDC, FutureHeights, are working with East Cleveland and other partners on a study (and hopefully future investment) in the Noble Road neighborhood between Mayfield Road and Euclid Ave.

 

http://heightsobserver.org/read/2018/10/23/noble-road-study-kicks-off-oct-29

 

There is currently a survey being done to ask visitors and residents for their input and it looks like there will be a community meeting at the Cleveland Heights Community Center at 7pm on January 17.

 

http://www.futureheights.org/noble-planning-study-online-survey-is-now-live/

  • 2 weeks later...
7 minutes ago, Dougal said:

I'm all for EC turning into a hot neighborhood; I just hope the municipality goes away.

 

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/features/ecga012419.aspx

 

It's a great location for a neighborhood.  Good access to UC and the Heights.  Great rail transit.  The EC government needs to go away.

  • ColDayMan changed the title to East Cleveland: News & Discussion

From Glen Petranek’s FB

 

Traveling around today finally decided to look inside what I call the "Jumanji House" on Euclid Ave in E Cleveland, almost across the street from Chapman. Doing research i discovered it has been forfeited and is now owned by the State. I also knew the back door was open. Unfortunately it is pretty trashed out. I did like the stairs however. Speaking of Chapman Ave, there are Do Not Enter signs on either end of the road and more boarding up. Expect it to be down before too long.....

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15 hours ago, surfohio said:

From Glen Petranek’s FB

 

Traveling around today finally decided to look inside what I call the "Jumanji House" on Euclid Ave in E Cleveland, almost across the street from Chapman. Doing research i discovered it has been forfeited and is now owned by the State. I also knew the back door was open. Unfortunately it is pretty trashed out. I did like the stairs however. Speaking of Chapman Ave, there are Do Not Enter signs on either end of the road and more boarding up. Expect it to be down before too long.....

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I just joined that group, it's fascinating.

 

Quite honestly, they ought to get some use out of Chapman before they level it because it is *that* bad.  Fire department training, military urban warfare training (really), or perhaps some of these dystopian movies that have been popular lately.   

 

I assume by now the city or county owns the property.

The Case observatory is in East Cleveland. I doubt Cleveland Heights would have let it decay like it has.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

1 hour ago, Terdolph said:

What has been/is being lost is heart breaking.  Makes you think that everything we achieve is ephemeral. 

 

Ozymandias.

Remember: It's the Year of the Snake

  • 4 weeks later...

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

On 1/11/2013 at 11:22 AM, Hts121 said:

Or that it ever did

It was a prosperous city until segregation.  East Cleveland was white.  It was one of the first suburbs to transition to black majority and then white flight took place.

 

Can you give your statement some context?  If you don't think EC should have been a suburb, then why should Lakewood, Parma Hts., Brooklyn, Newburg, Linndale, or Cuyahoga Hts. have been suburbs?

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  • 3 months later...

 

Edited by KJP

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

20 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

 

Not the worst idea ever.   Add Chapman Avenue if someone is making a dystopian movie.

^^Back in the early 90's the city of Akron was offering a similar thing to the producers of the film Demolition Man with Sly Stallone and Wesley Snipes.  They were going to raze one of the BF Goodrich buildings at Canal Place.  Thank goodness that never happened because those buildings have been wonderfully re-purposed as offices and other uses.  Those buildings and the Canal Place complex are gems.

17 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

^^Back in the early 90's the city of Akron was offering a similar thing to the producers of the film Demolition Man with Sly Stallone and Wesley Snipes.  They were going to raze one of the BF Goodrich buildings at Canal Place.  Thank goodness that never happened because those buildings have been wonderfully re-purposed as offices and other uses.  Those buildings and the Canal Place complex are gems.

They did tear down half of BFG though. I remember it took a long time to demo...those factories were built to last. 

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16 hours ago, surfohio said:

They did tear down half of BFG though. I remember it took a long time to demo...those factories were built to last. 

 

They also had some contents that mandated caution, to put it mildly.

5 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

They also had some contents that mandated caution, to put it mildly.

I take it you're not talking about the homeless encampment, or the skate ramps lol. 

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