April 10, 201015 yr Gotta love the Enquirer's attempt at "balance". If 99 people in a room think the earth is round and one person insists the earth is flat, you can count on the mainstream media like the Enquirer to pretend both points of view are equally valid and give them both equal weight in the name of "balance".
April 10, 201015 yr FACT: Cincinnati is lagging nationally in almost any real demographic or economic indicator. 100 Metro Areas with the Worst Unemployment Rate over 1,000,000 people. The most recent unemployment rate for an area. The unemployment rate is expressed as a percentage of the available work force that is not employed. Unemployment Rate Metro State United States Detroit-Warren-Livonia Metro Area, Michigan 13.60 % 26 8.50 % Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario Metro Area, California 12.20 % 06 8.50 % Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord Metro Area, North Carolina 11.70 % 37 8.50 % Providence-New Bedford-Fall River Metro Area, Rhode Island 11.50 % 44 8.50 % Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Roseville Metro Area, California 10.80 % 06 8.50 % Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton Metro Area, Oregon 10.70 % 41 8.50 % Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater Metro Area, Florida 10.20 % 12 8.50 % Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana Metro Area, California 10.20 % 06 8.50 % Las Vegas-Paradise Metro Area, Nevada 10.10 % 32 8.50 % San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara Metro Area, California 10.00 % 06 8.50 % Louisville Metro Area, Kentucky 10.00 % 21 8.50 % Orlando-Kissimmee Metro Area, Florida 9.70 % 12 8.50 % Buffalo-Niagara Falls Metro Area, New York 9.60 % 36 8.50 % Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor Metro Area, Ohio 9.40 % 39 8.50 % Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta Metro Area, Georgia 9.30 % 13 8.50 % St. Louis Metro Area, Missouri 9.20 % 29 8.50 % Chicago-Naperville-Joliet Metro Area, Illinois 9.20 % 17 8.50 % Jacksonville Metro Area, Florida 9.20 % 12 8.50 % Cincinnati-Middletown Metro Area, Ohio 8.90 % 39 8.50 % Memphis Metro Area, Tennessee 8.90 % 47 8.50 % Raleigh-Cary Metro Area, North Carolina 8.80 % 37 8.50 % San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont Metro Area, California 8.80 % 06 8.50 % San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos Metro Area, California 8.80 % 06 8.50 % Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue Metro Area, Washington 8.70 % 53 8.50 % Rochester Metro Area, New York 8.50 % 36 8.50 % Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro Metro Area, Tennessee 8.40 % 47 8.50 % Kansas City Metro Area, Missouri 8.40 % 29 8.50 % Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach Metro Area, Florida 8.20 % 12 8.50 % Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington Metro Area, Minnesota 8.20 % 27 8.50 % New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island Metro Area, New York 8.20 % 36 8.50 % Indianapolis Metro Area, Indiana 8.20 % 18 8.50 % Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis Metro Area, Wisconsin 8.10 % 55 8.50 % Birmingham-Hoover Metro Area, Alabama 8.00 % 01 8.50 % Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington Metro Area, Pennsylvania 8.00 % 42 8.50 % Columbus Metro Area, Ohio 7.90 % 39 8.50 % Richmond Metro Area, Virginia 7.90 % 51 8.50 % Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford Metro Area, Connecticut 7.90 % 09 8.50 % Denver-Aurora Metro Area, Colorado 7.90 % 08 8.50 % Pittsburgh Metro Area, Pennsylvania 7.60 % 42 8.50 % Baltimore-Towson Metro Area, Maryland 7.60 % 24 8.50 % Boston-Cambridge-Quincy Metro Area, Massachusetts 7.40 % 25 8.50 % Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News Metro Area, Virginia 7.20 % 51 8.50 % Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale Metro Area, Arizona 6.90 % 04 8.50 % Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington Metro Area, Texas 6.90 % 48 8.50 % Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown Metro Area, Texas 6.40 % 48 8.50 % Austin-Round Rock Metro Area, Texas 6.30 % 48 8.50 % Washington-Arlington-Alexandria Metro Area, District of Columbia 6.10 % 11 8.50 % San Antonio Metro Area, Texas 6.00 % 48 8.50 % Oklahoma City Metro Area, Oklahoma 5.60 % 40 8.50 % New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner Metro Area, Louisiana 5.30 % 22 8.50 % Salt Lake City Metro Area, Utah 5.20 % 49 8.50 % In this list, Cincy ranks just slightly above average, but not bad comparing to some other midwest cities. 100 Metro Areas with the Best Household Income over 1,000,000 people. The median income of all households in the geographic area. The median is the middle value when all are arranged from highest to lowest. Household Income Metro State United States San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara Metro Area, California $86,366 06 $44,684 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria Metro Area, District of Columbia $71,470 11 $44,684 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont Metro Area, California $71,021 06 $44,684 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy Metro Area, Massachusetts $65,279 25 $44,684 Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington Metro Area, Minnesota $63,672 27 $44,684 Denver-Aurora Metro Area, Colorado $61,334 08 $44,684 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford Metro Area, Connecticut $60,994 09 $44,684 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta Metro Area, Georgia $59,747 13 $44,684 Raleigh-Cary Metro Area, North Carolina $59,661 37 $44,684 Salt Lake City Metro Area, Utah $58,557 49 $44,684 Chicago-Naperville-Joliet Metro Area, Illinois $58,445 17 $44,684 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island Metro Area, New York $58,394 36 $44,684 Baltimore-Towson Metro Area, Maryland $57,611 24 $44,684 Austin-Round Rock Metro Area, Texas $57,585 48 $44,684 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue Metro Area, Washington $57,431 53 $44,684 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos Metro Area, California $55,354 06 $44,684 Detroit-Warren-Livonia Metro Area, Michigan $55,077 26 $44,684 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington Metro Area, Pennsylvania $54,787 42 $44,684 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington Metro Area, Texas $54,742 48 $44,684 Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton Metro Area, Oregon $54,648 41 $44,684 Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Roseville Metro Area, California $54,307 06 $44,684 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord Metro Area, North Carolina $54,095 37 $44,684 Richmond Metro Area, Virginia $52,960 51 $44,684 Kansas City Metro Area, Missouri $52,951 29 $44,684 Indianapolis Metro Area, Indiana $52,417 18 $44,684 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis Metro Area, Wisconsin $52,310 55 $44,684 Cincinnati-Middletown Metro Area, Ohio $52,172 39 $44,684 Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale Metro Area, Arizona $52,081 04 $44,684 Columbus Metro Area, Ohio $52,073 39 $44,684 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana Metro Area, California $50,869 06 $44,684 Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown Metro Area, Texas $50,833 48 $44,684 Las Vegas-Paradise Metro Area, Nevada $50,269 32 $44,684 St. Louis Metro Area, Missouri $49,788 29 $44,684 Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro Metro Area, Tennessee $49,618 47 $44,684 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News Metro Area, Virginia $49,608 51 $44,684 Rochester Metro Area, New York $49,130 36 $44,684 Providence-New Bedford-Fall River Metro Area, Rhode Island $48,988 44 $44,684 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario Metro Area, California $48,502 06 $44,684 Jacksonville Metro Area, Florida $47,904 12 $44,684 Orlando-Kissimmee Metro Area, Florida $47,847 12 $44,684 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor Metro Area, Ohio $47,501 39 $44,684 Louisville Metro Area, Kentucky $47,343 21 $44,684 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach Metro Area, Florida $46,230 12 $44,684 Memphis Metro Area, Tennessee $46,038 47 $44,684 San Antonio Metro Area, Texas $45,776 48 $44,684 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater Metro Area, Florida $44,627 12 $44,684 Birmingham-Hoover Metro Area, Alabama $44,542 01 $44,684 Buffalo-Niagara Falls Metro Area, New York $44,437 36 $44,684 Oklahoma City Metro Area, Oklahoma $42,322 40 $44,684 Pittsburgh Metro Area, Pennsylvania $42,122 42 $44,684 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner Metro Area, Louisiana $40,939 22 $44,684 In this list we come above the norm. 100 Metro Areas with the Largest Property Tax over 1,000,000 people. The property tax rate shown here is the rate per $1,000 of home value. If the tax rate is $14 and the home value is $250,000, the property tax would be $14 x ($250,000/1000), or $3500. This is the effective tax rate. Property Tax Metro State United States Rochester Metro Area, New York $28 36 $13.28 Buffalo-Niagara Falls Metro Area, New York $27 36 $13.28 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis Metro Area, Wisconsin $24 55 $13.28 Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown Metro Area, Texas $20 48 $13.28 Pittsburgh Metro Area, Pennsylvania $20 42 $13.28 San Antonio Metro Area, Texas $20 48 $13.28 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington Metro Area, Texas $19 48 $13.28 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford Metro Area, Connecticut $19 09 $13.28 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington Metro Area, Pennsylvania $18 42 $13.28 Austin-Round Rock Metro Area, Texas $18 48 $13.28 Chicago-Naperville-Joliet Metro Area, Illinois $17 17 $13.28 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach Metro Area, Florida $17 12 $13.28 Providence-New Bedford-Fall River Metro Area, Rhode Island $17 44 $13.28 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island Metro Area, New York $17 36 $13.28 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor Metro Area, Ohio $15 39 $13.28 Detroit-Warren-Livonia Metro Area, Michigan $15 26 $13.28 Columbus Metro Area, Ohio $14 39 $13.28 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater Metro Area, Florida $14 12 $13.28 Baltimore-Towson Metro Area, Maryland $13 24 $13.28 Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington Metro Area, Minnesota $13 27 $13.28 St. Louis Metro Area, Missouri $13 29 $13.28 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy Metro Area, Massachusetts $13 25 $13.28 Orlando-Kissimmee Metro Area, Florida $13 12 $13.28 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News Metro Area, Virginia $12 51 $13.28 Kansas City Metro Area, Missouri $12 29 $13.28 Cincinnati-Middletown Metro Area, Ohio $12 39 $13.28 Jacksonville Metro Area, Florida $12 12 $13.28 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue Metro Area, Washington $11 53 $13.28 Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton Metro Area, Oregon $11 41 $13.28 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria Metro Area, District of Columbia $11 11 $13.28 Memphis Metro Area, Tennessee $11 47 $13.28 Indianapolis Metro Area, Indiana $11 18 $13.28 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario Metro Area, California $10 06 $13.28 Richmond Metro Area, Virginia $10 51 $13.28 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta Metro Area, Georgia $10 13 $13.28 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord Metro Area, North Carolina $9 37 $13.28 Las Vegas-Paradise Metro Area, Nevada $9 32 $13.28 Louisville Metro Area, Kentucky $9 21 $13.28 Oklahoma City Metro Area, Oklahoma $9 40 $13.28 Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Roseville Metro Area, California $9 06 $13.28 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana Metro Area, California $8 06 $13.28 Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale Metro Area, Arizona $8 04 $13.28 Raleigh-Cary Metro Area, North Carolina $8 37 $13.28 Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro Metro Area, Tennessee $8 47 $13.28 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos Metro Area, California $8 06 $13.28 Salt Lake City Metro Area, Utah $8 49 $13.28 Denver-Aurora Metro Area, Colorado $8 08 $13.28 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont Metro Area, California $7 06 $13.28 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara Metro Area, California $6 06 $13.28 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner Metro Area, Louisiana $5 22 $13.28 Birmingham-Hoover Metro Area, Alabama $5 01 $13.28 In taxes, Cincy holds it's own well. I just wanted to share some up to date info in comparison. This can be found on: http://www.bestplaces.net/
April 10, 201015 yr That op-ed guy seemed like a typical disaffected Republican upset with national policy moreso than local.
April 10, 201015 yr FACT: Cincinnati is lagging nationally in almost any real demographic or economic indicator. Reference or clarify this, please. The person who's responded tho this assertion with referenced data is making you look like an idiot. From the same source: The Cincinnati region is better than the national average in: Household Income Home Value Appreciation Education (4 Year Degree or Higher) Doctors per Capita Cost of Living The region is generally average (within 1%) in: Population Growth Job Growth Unemployment Home Ownership And lags the national average in: Air Quality
April 10, 201015 yr NYC, SanFran and Chicago are the urban meccas of this country IMO. No other City can really compare with the density and sheer size of their cores. Boston and Philly are very impressive. They don't have the size of Chicago or NYC, but Center City is impressive, as is central Boston. At this point and time, with somethings that vary, Indy, Cincy, Columbus, Cleveland and Pittsburgh are in a similar category, as well as KC, and StL. Some of the historically bigger cities have some amenities not attained by some younger ones, but generally they are peers.
April 10, 201015 yr As far as urbanized area population, Cleveland and Pittsburgh are 17% and 16% larger than Cincinnati, respectively. Cincinnati is 23% larger than Indianapolis and 32% larger than Columbus. Just food for thought. Or for fun, if you were to divide each urbanized area by 100,000 and make it an "age," the family would look like this: The kids: Columbus, 11 Indianapolis, 12 Learner's Permit: Cincinnati, 15 Drivin': Cleveland and Pittsburgh, 17 In college: Saint Louis, 20 Married and gone: Minneapolis, 24 Grandpa: Chicago, 80
April 10, 201015 yr Cincy needs a Dubia or Singapore like development. One that shows it's powerful. Hell make a residential development spanning across the Ohio river.
April 11, 201015 yr Cincy needs a Dubia or Singapore like development. One that shows it's powerful. Hell make a residential development spanning across the Ohio river. Huh? Cincinnati just needs to rejuvenate its own built environment, which blows almost every other city out of the water.
April 11, 201015 yr FACT: Cincinnati is lagging nationally in almost any real demographic or economic indicator. Reference or clarify this, please. The person who's responded tho this assertion with referenced data is making you look like an idiot. Population Growth 2008-2009: USA: 0.9% Cincinnati: 0.6% Net Domestic Migration 2008-2009: USA: Zero (by definition) Cincinnati: Negative Foreign Born Population 2008: USA: 12.8% Cincinnati: 3.6% Unemployment Rate: USA: 9.7% Cincinnati: 10.9% GDP Per Capita (2008 in 2001 constant dollars): US Metro Average: 41,737 Cincinnati: 37,970 Just a few highlights of some core statistics. There are others, but these were straightforward to pull from standard sources (Census, BLS, BEA)
April 11, 201015 yr ^Honestly If Cincinnati had a lower population alot of those numbers would look better.
April 11, 201015 yr By the way, I'm with the San Francisco analogy. Cincy's geography and some of the frame houses remind me of SF. Too much brick I suppose, but we can live with that. How about a brick Midwestern San Francisco?
April 11, 201015 yr ^Honestly If Cincinnati had a lower population alot of those numbers would look better. Possibly. I actually think Cincy would be better if it were bigger though. The smaller Midwest cities struggle to make the urban investments they need. Scale would help. I've said of Indy many times there's nothing wrong with it another million people wouldn't cure. Similarly for Cincinnati, though the number of new people required is lower. If the metro area population was three million (legitimately three million, not by adding Dayton), it would really ignite a lot of the redevelopment I think. The problem right now is just the frustratingly slow pace. If OTR really reaches its potential, it could have a huge impact on making the core city explode.
April 11, 201015 yr I've said of Indy many times there's nothing wrong with it another million people wouldn't cure. Similarly for Cincinnati... Only within the right kind of growth framework though. Business as usual would mean a continuing expansion of the metro areas while the core city is left out of anything but downtown office skyscraper construction. We'd basically end up like Atlanta or Phoenix, with little change to the inner cities, while sprawl runs rampant. Cincinnati still has a lot of developable land within easy shot of our bizarrely huge I-275 loop. The same is true to the southeast and southwest of Indy. Only with the right sort of planning and transportation policies could we accommodate such an influx of people with great intense urban development like you see in Vancouver or...um...I actually can't think of a good recent example here in the US. The point is, a big influx of people could definitely help, but only if they're directed to the already built up areas, otherwise it'll just be more of the same.
April 11, 201015 yr I believe when all information is in from the 2010 fest, I believe Cincy will look much better than these older stats show. Cincy has ben making leaps and bounds despite the ecomony lately, and unfortuntly, some sites are a dollor short and a day late. All I am saying is that when the new numberes come out, I think all will see the real beginnings of a new Cincinnati (Not that it isn't already Queen of the west).
April 11, 201015 yr FACT: Cincinnati is lagging nationally in almost any real demographic or economic indicator. Reference or clarify this, please. The person who's responded tho this assertion with referenced data is making you look like an idiot. Population Growth 2008-2009: USA: 0.9% Cincinnati: 0.6% Net Domestic Migration 2008-2009: USA: Zero (by definition) Cincinnati: Negative Foreign Born Population 2008: USA: 12.8% Cincinnati: 3.6% Unemployment Rate: USA: 9.7% Cincinnati: 10.9% GDP Per Capita (2008 in 2001 constant dollars): US Metro Average: 41,737 Cincinnati: 37,970 Just a few highlights of some core statistics. There are others, but these were straightforward to pull from standard sources (Census, BLS, BEA) Population - Nobody thinks we're beating the national average, but a single-year-estimate is too small of a sample. The 10-year estimate is far more moderate. Unemployment - Meaningless, at least in this discussion. The role model cities being tossed around in here are all as bad or worse than Cincinnati. San Francisco, Portland, Chicago. (bls.gov) It's a recession, what can ya say. Migration - Cincinnati's migration balance through 2009 was something like -17,000. Sad, yes, but Cleveland's at -136,000. That's lagging. San Francisco? -300,000. Chicago, -560,000. Los Angeles, -1.4 Million. Oops! For Cincinnati's domestic loss to match the rate of Chicago, it would have to be seven times greater. Also, Cincinnati's net international gain exceeds it's net domestic loss. Chicago's doesn't. Again, not sure if we want to match THAT statistic for our role model city. (http://buffalo.bizjournals.com/buffalo/blog/the_score/2010/03/buffalo_clings_to_50th_on_population_list.html?appSession=88755295807190) GDP Per Capita - This one stumps me. I'm not sure what the relationship is between GDP per capita, and household income. The former is smaller than average, but the latter is much larger than average. Anyhow, good conversation. I think it just depends on the context of the numbers. To say "Cincinnati is lagging in nearly every..." is kind of editorializing a complex situation, and I'm not sure that it's even true. In fact given that the numbers are actually borderline or even decent, you could turn the whole argument around and say "Here is a metro area that is barely growing at all, yet it's somehow not stagnant." If the urban core can revitalize under those circumstances, it would actually be a role model for an era of slower, or even no growth nationwide, or worldwide.
November 8, 201014 yr What is on Cincinnati's horizon after the streetcar, the Banks, casino, riverfront park are all complete? Caps on FWW and what else? I hope things like budget cuts don't adversely affect city life. A city can only advance when it pushes the limit AND guards its previous gains. Things like police reductions can wreak havoc I fear.
November 8, 201014 yr We've already seen the effects of cutbacks. Fire station "brown-outs" have already caused needless seconds and minutes to be wasted as response times have increased. Three people in Northside were taken to the hospital (critical condition, AFAIK) because the neighborhood fire station was on the "brown-out" list... I remember the time when the Reading Road station was on the "brown-out" list. Xavier made a huge issue of it -- what if a fire broke out on campus? How would we be adequately protected? At a time when some people are requesting a huge increase on social service programming (amusing story, someone posted a "alarmist" bulletin in my building about this and was terribly upset when I said we should cut those programs), or are jockeying for their share when the city is $60 million in the red... we can't even provide basic services.
November 8, 201014 yr What is on Cincinnati's horizon after the streetcar, the Banks, casino, riverfront park are all complete? Caps on FWW and what else? Well, if the streetcar is successful, expansions to the initial loop will be added. I'd love to see a light rail plan at some point. Not sure of anything beyond the next year or two.
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