In the 50's and 60's Mount Adams was a working class neighborhood with a more age diverse populace and a good amount of school age children. Supermarkets wasnt the big thing it is now so all you needed was a butcher shop and a bakery in Mount Adams to satisfy your everyday food needs.   A co worker of mine that was born there whose family owned property on a prominent corner in the business district during that era  told me marveling of how much it changed to the present day  that " could you believe that the neighborhood was considered a dump back then"  so his family fled to the suburb of Reading.

Edited April 16, 20196 yr by Coseau

Yeah I lived in Mt. Adams as an infant in the late 70s, but remember it more from photos than from actual memories.  Judging from the photos we were the only white family in the building.  We were evicted and the building was demolished when construction of the big retaining wall below Kilgour St. damaged the building. 

 

I'll repeat that the loss of the Art Academy was pretty significant.  There used to be a crackle of energy on St. Gregory that disappeared after that building was renovated into sleepy condos.  Also, I remember when the commercial building and parking garage where WEBN used to be was under construction, but can't remember what was there before. 

When my mother  migrated from small town Georgia to Cincinnati as a teen in the 1950's  Mount Adams was a predominantly black neighborhood . She said Cincinnati was a big city compared to Atlanta back then lol.  That was before the interstates were built and the West End was still intact.    She remembers the other kids laughing at her when she was frightened by the sparks coming from the streetcar wires when the streetcar was approaching.  Newport was the destination nightlife spot where everyone went to for a night out on town because all the fancy high end night clubs were there.  The nightclubs in Newport were also racially intergrated real well  where black and white people comingled freely in the same  fancy nightclubs, unusually progressive for its time in 1950's America.

Edited April 16, 20196 yr by Coseau

Playhouse in the Park lands lead gift for renovation

 

The Cincinnati Playhouse in the Park has received a lead gift for its capital campaign that will fund its renovation.

 

Moe and Jack Rouse have provided $5 million for the project. As a result, the company’s new mainstage theater will be called “Moe and Jack’s Place - The Rouse Theatre.”

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/04/29/playhouse-in-the-park-lands-lead-gift-for.html

 

Mt. Adams is not dead.  The Teak will be reopening over the next 3-4 months only it can no longer be called the Teak due to the fact that when I sold the business in 2002, the individual I sold it too gets to keep the name even though he ran my creation that my family built into the ground.  That individual also was the seed that led to many of the downfalls of Mt. Adams as he owned The Fishhouse, which closed down, took over Longworth's which was the beginning of the end of that place, and finally owned the former Celestial, which closed and is now something else.  There is a plan for Mt. Adams and we will be a part of the revitalization of the business district by introducing new restaurants and night life that caters to everyone.  In particular, the former Teak will now be called 1194 representing the day we originally opened Teak.  We will have some of the old favorites, but we are planning some really interesting and new things that are not served or underserved in our genre of food in the Midwest.  We will see you in a few months as the Hill will be back just like we are!!!

Edited May 26, 20196 yr by Bret

there was an article in yesterday's Wall St. Journal real estate "Mansion" section highlighting Mt. Adams (subscription required to read the whole thing online). The couple of times I visited there in the late 70's I remember a bar called City Lights (I think that's what it was called) with great views of downtown. Don't know if it's still there.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-cincinnati-neighborhood-with-a-presidential-past-11567525573

21 minutes ago, eastvillagedon said:

there was an article in yesterday's Wall St. Journal real estate "Mansion" section highlighting Mt. Adams (subscription required to read the whole thing online). The couple of times I visited there in the late 70's I remember a bar called City Lights (I think that's what it was called) with great views of downtown. Don't know if it's still there.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-cincinnati-neighborhood-with-a-presidential-past-11567525573

How about City View. 

City approves lease for Playhouse in the Park expansion

 

 

The Cincinnati Planning Commission on Friday unanimously approved a lease in Eden Park to Playhouse in the Park, which will allow a new theater to be built to replace the main Marx Theater.

 

The city will lease the land for 99 years, with a base annual rent of $88,500 based on an appraisal, according to documents filed with the planning commission.

 

The city will reappraise the site every 10 years, with rent increases capped at 25% of the rent from the previous 10-year period.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/10/18/city-approves-lease-for-playhouse-in-the-park.html

Just learned My.Adams Pavilion has now closed and is now a seasonal bar. Won't reopen again till April.

 

The pavilion used to be the place to be even 5 years ago. Sad and somewhat surprised 4EG is keeping the place open even if it's on a seasonal basis. 

Five years ago? Nah, more like 10+ years ago.

When I was an uber driver 2014-15, Mt. Adams was still completely jammed on Friday and Saturday nights.  

On 10/25/2019 at 9:18 AM, troeros said:

Just learned My.Adams Pavilion has now closed and is now a seasonal bar. Won't reopen again till April.

 

The pavilion used to be the place to be even 5 years ago. Sad and somewhat surprised 4EG is keeping the place open even if it's on a seasonal basis. 

 

Surprising news!  That is the original 4EG location so I assume they own the building and it has been paid off for years, which makes it easier to keep open seasonally.  

The closure of Longworth's was a disaster.  There is a big dead spot right in the middle of the bar district. 

Pavillion is/was the place to go. Looks like they're telling people to go to another 4EG bar though from what I've heard.

On 10/29/2019 at 12:06 AM, jmecklenborg said:

The closure of Longworth's was a disaster.  There is a big dead spot right in the middle of the bar district. 

Well between that and tavern on the hill across the street, the whole area is a dead spot. It's going to struggle and the old blue hairs love it. They think white table cloth restaurants are going to move in up here to appeal to them.

12/7/19:

Longworth's was open today.  I didn't see any news that it was coming back. 

 

Also, Yesterday's has a new name (signage is up) but it was not open. 

7 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

Longworth's was open today.  I didn't see any news that it was coming back. 

 

Also, Yesterday's has a new name (signage is up) but it was not open. 

Longworths didn't reopen, Monks Cove is just using there patio so they can reopen. The Bortz brothers had a heart... 

1059 Celestial St... listed at $3.25 million: 

https://www.coldwellbankerhomes.com/oh/cincinnati/1059-celestial-st/pid_36220832/

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/06/01/million-dollar-listing-1059-celestial-st.html#g1

 

Maybe someone will turn it into an AirBnB and my girlfriend and I can save up for a few years and stay a night.

 

Seriously, incredible. The natural materials just envelop you - going so far as to hide all the stainless steel kitchen equipment in the wood clad kiosk. The courtyards. The little glass bridges. The air vents! Pretty impeccable. The material of the ceiling leading to the deck seems a bit wonky, but I was looking for flaws and had difficulty finding them. 

why does someone build a spec home like this? Seems like a big risk.

1 hour ago, jmblec2 said:

why does someone build a spec home like this? Seems like a big risk.

 

I don't think it was built speculatively. I heard that the original owner/client is from out of town and just didn't end up spending enough time in Cincinnati to justify keeping it. 

must be nice to have that kind of money. 

 

1 hour ago, jmblec2 said:

must be nice to have that kind of money. 

 

 

My cat would love that place.  

 

Every once in awhile you hear about somebody renting an apartment just for their cat or dog.  

 

 

6 hours ago, jwulsin said:

I don't think it was built speculatively. I heard that the original owner/client is from out of town and just didn't end up spending enough time in Cincinnati to justify keeping it. 

 

Googling, it looks like out of town tech money built this house. Which makes sense - most of the expensive newer housing in Cincinnati tends to be either gaudy or bland, the gems like this one are rare.

 

Unfortunately, contemporary/modern homes like this of any size rarely sell well here. They sit on the market for a long time and sell for lower prices per square foot than boring houses of the same size.

Columbus struggles with that as well. It's one reason why houses over $1M sell slowly here.

It's a gorgeous house although a bit too much wood paneling on the walls and ceiling for my taste.  Plus, for 3+ million, I'd better have a pool.

Planning Commission will review a proposal to subdivide 1000 Paradrome (75'x75') into two lots, allowing the developer to build two side-by-side homes. The existing home and freestanding garage would be torn down. I would have liked to see even more density, but 2 > 1. There are three nice townhouses built around 2002 at 986-990 Paradrome on ~23' wide lots. Something like that could have been done here at 1000 Paradrome... but nonetheless it's good to see some (minor) increases in density.  

https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/about-city-planning/city-planning-commission/oct-23-2020-packet/

^Be very careful what you wish for.  Nashville's neighborhoods have been plundered over the past 10 years by tear-downs, the new homes are ugly, and everyone still drives everywhere anyway.  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4040907001
 

Not sure why they are so against it. It’s literally right across from Eden park where there is loads of green space. 

1 hour ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4040907001
 

Not sure why they are so against it. It’s literally right across from Eden park where there is loads of green space. 

I am almost in disbelief at the level of NIMBYism here- it’s a vacant lot directly across the street from a massive, beautiful park. But building ONE house on it (realistically they should be shooting for more than that) ruins the character of the neighborhood?

Not to mention - it is at the corner of an intersection at the bottom of the hill. It is not like it has beautiful views and people use it for social gatherings... it is just a patch of grass people let their dog use. (Not to mention it is privately owned and not a 'public' asset). Local media giving anyone who complains a platform to 'voice their point of view' only encourages more of this nonsense.

39 minutes ago, Guy23 said:

I am almost in disbelief at the level of NIMBYism here- it’s a vacant lot directly across the street from a massive, beautiful park. But building ONE house on it (realistically they should be shooting for more than that) ruins the character of the neighborhood?

Building more expensive homes= More people to be nimbys so one would think that they would be all for this so they can add to their nimbyism. 

Where is this parcel?  I don't subscribe to the Enquirer. 

6 minutes ago, jjakucyk said:

Where is this parcel?  I don't subscribe to the Enquirer. 

Replace Cincinnati.com with USAtoday.com: 'An untenable position': Sale pending on Mt. Adams green space, neighbors oppose development

EDIT: The parcel does not have an address but is at the intersection of Parkside and Martin. It reaches back around to Paradrome as well: https://wedge.hcauditor.org/view/re/0720002028800/2020/summary

Edited January 26, 20214 yr by Dev
Clarification

125k was the amount reportedly raised by nearby residents to make a backup offer on the land if the 'young family with a child' falls through. The lot is probably 30% green space and 70% dog poop - it's an incredible waste of resources to just throw money at and incredible example of NIMBYism. Doesn't block any views, large lot, no hillside impact, close to a currently-being-renovated area of Eden Park - the four SFH lots originally proposed by StarOne should have been the minimum use. 

7 hours ago, Dev said:

EDIT: The parcel does not have an address but is at the intersection of Parkside and Martin. It reaches back around to Paradrome as well: https://wedge.hcauditor.org/view/re/0720002028800/2020/summary

 

What is the Art Club of Cincinnati and how did they get this lot for free from the city?

 

 

18 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

What is the Art Club of Cincinnati and how did they get this lot for free from the city?

 

They purchased it from CPS. Originally they leased it with the intent of a semi-joint venture displaying CPS student artwork in 2000. In 2012 the school board decided to off-load the useless parcel after the club had spent over a decade doing nothing with it. They screwed the sale up because the Club has first dibs but were bypassed. So they got sued and the club got the property in 2016 for $135k. I think the Auditor's site is wrong.

17 hours ago, shawk said:

a currently-being-renovated area of Eden Park

What are the renovations at Eden Park? I haven't been by in a while. 

Before I clicked the link I thought it was going to be a big apartment building being proposed. But no, it's a single family house. You've got to be kidding me.

1 hour ago, jwulsin said:

What are the renovations at Eden Park? I haven't been by in a while. 

They are currently working on the "Tom Jones Commons" area by the Reservoir wall. This photo has the latest: https://www.cincinnatiparksfoundation.org/tom-jones-commons-will-open-this-spring/ and it says it'll open this spring, though there seemed to be a large gap between 'groundbreaking' in fall 2019 and anything actually happening. They're doing some sewer/road work on/under Martin Dr. as well right now so I think it's all coordinated effort. 

3 hours ago, shawk said:

They are currently working on the "Tom Jones Commons" area by the Reservoir wall. This photo has the latest: https://www.cincinnatiparksfoundation.org/tom-jones-commons-will-open-this-spring/ and it says it'll open this spring

Very cool! Thanks for sharing! And you're absolutely right that there's no good reason to keep the "green space" across the street at the corner of Martin/Parkside. 

No one making a Tom Jones joke? That is unusual.

I bet this and similar photos like it of the barn are the reason people are against any development here. All they remember is that nothing was here before and building here will erase "Old farmland Mt' Adams" which hasn't existed for generations. Odd, but people are odd.

Edited January 27, 20214 yr by SleepyLeroy

I realized I posted this in the wrong thread originally.

 

I don’t know if there is a dedicated eden park page or if this belongs in the walnut hills thread or mt adams thread...so apologies in advance...

 

So disclaimer, what I am about to discuss has nothing to do with race. Again, this has nothing to do with race...but I’m sure people will start firing their labeling cannons as soon they are done reading this post.

 

BUT, we have a serious issue with Eden Park. 
 

Serious issue.

 

I’m not sure what changed lately with the parks policy lately. Are they understaffed? Lack of budget? Again, I don’t know what happened...

 

At the very peak of eden park, the most beautiful spot where it overlooks the river has become destroyed.

Filled with people, which is nice, but what is going on is absolutely absurd.

 

Public intoxication with liquor bottles everywhere, loud rap music blasting from their stereos, public marijuana smoking in front of little kids. 
 

Trash filled to the brim on the side walks. Cant even walk my dogs there anymore without them almost choking on a chicken bone. 

 

Again, I don’t necessarily care if people are hanging out and having fun.

 

But why the hell is everyone just trashing the park now? There are tons of trash cans! Use them! Also, where are the park officials to say no public intoxication? No open marijuana smoking in front of little kids? No blasting your music as if you were at a rap concerns..

 

I have little kids and there wondering why it smells funny or why there are people drinking liquor at a park, or why there are intoxicated guys showing off their pistols in broad day light..I don’t know what to tell them....I can’t even bring my kids there anymore...again, I’m not trying to shelter them, but at the same time there 3 and 4 and don’t need to be around stuff like that when they are still so young.
 

Eden park uses to be a family friendly park. I don’t know what the hell happened but it has gone upside down so quickly. 
 

What the hell happened?

Can you just go ahead and admit on record that you don't want poor people to ever leave their living situation? According to your history, all of which I can recall specifically because it's always coded language of some sort that I try to ignore and continue lurking but can't anymore, they can't hang out at the Shell in OTR. They can't go to the Eden Park overlook. They absolutely can't go to OTR Live/Treehouse or loiter on the street. You seem to want them to be priced out of OTR and the CBD entirely, so even if they have a place to host parties, it won't be anywhere near a place you want to be, and they certainly can't do any activities other than those which you've approved. 

 

Everyone seems to support marijuana legalization and everyone loves the DORA districts but if you have a bunch of 'poor' people in one spot doing those activities without an approved cup and with a different style of music than plays at the Banks, it may as well be the end of the world. 

 

The Overlook isn't always being used how I would personally like it to be used, but Parks has been spending a lot of time and effort on the litter control and frankly navigating a challenging issue in a time where public space is being privatized left and right. I run or walk my dog there at least 3x a week and it's usually spotless by the time I arrive. I don't particularly love that Parks has to use their resources on litter control rather than honeysuckle maintenance or other invasive species but they do a darn good job and I'm glad we have parks and great public spaces that people of all different incomes can use. 

 

If you want something to change, maybe go and try and talk to someone who is different from you and learn something new and how you may be able to play a role in that situation. Parks has litter cleanup and beautification/volunteering opportunities with plenty of chances to be involved. If you don't want to have to talk to your kids once in awhile about how other people may prefer different activities during their recreation time, then I'm sorry for your kids. 

 

For the record, I'm going with 'poor' here as my 'they' because you repeatedly emphasize that this has nothing to do with race, but if we are being intellectually honest here, there's a racial component to many of your posts and if you're not willing to reflect on that, I'm not sure if it's appropriate for you to be on a forum about city living. 

15 minutes ago, shawk said:

Can you just go ahead and admit on record that you don't want poor people to ever leave their living situation? According to your history, all of which I can recall specifically because it's always coded language of some sort that I try to ignore and continue lurking but can't anymore, they can't hang out at the Shell in OTR. They can't go to the Eden Park overlook. They absolutely can't go to OTR Live/Treehouse or loiter on the street. You seem to want them to be priced out of OTR and the CBD entirely, so even if they have a place to host parties, it won't be anywhere near a place you want to be, and they certainly can't do any activities other than those which you've approved. 

 

Everyone seems to support marijuana legalization and everyone loves the DORA districts but if you have a bunch of 'poor' people in one spot doing those activities without an approved cup and with a different style of music than plays at the Banks, it may as well be the end of the world. 

 

The Overlook isn't always being used how I would personally like it to be used, but Parks has been spending a lot of time and effort on the litter control and frankly navigating a challenging issue in a time where public space is being privatized left and right. I run or walk my dog there at least 3x a week and it's usually spotless by the time I arrive. I don't particularly love that Parks has to use their resources on litter control rather than honeysuckle maintenance or other invasive species but they do a darn good job and I'm glad we have parks and great public spaces that people of all different incomes can use. 

 

If you want something to change, maybe go and try and talk to someone who is different from you and learn something new and how you may be able to play a role in that situation. Parks has litter cleanup and beautification/volunteering opportunities with plenty of chances to be involved. If you don't want to have to talk to your kids once in awhile about how other people may prefer different activities during their recreation time, then I'm sorry for your kids. 

 

For the record, I'm going with 'poor' here as my 'they' because you repeatedly emphasize that this has nothing to do with race, but if we are being intellectually honest here, there's a racial component to many of your posts and if you're not willing to reflect on that, I'm not sure if it's appropriate for you to be on a forum about city living. 

what does this have to do with being poor? I never said if these people were wealthy or poor. I never said what race these people were because at the time it was filled with whites l, blacks, Asians, etc. 

 

The only reason I even prefaced my post about race because I knew this would trigger someone and think this is about race because we live in such a sensitive culture now where everyone is so sensitive about any topics nowadays.

 

Parks are meant for everyone. At the same time why is it okay for little kids to be around marijuana smoke? Why is it ok for glass bottles to be shattered all over the side walk and trash littered all around the park? Why is it okay for public intoxication at park where there are families and little children? 
 

Again, this isn’t about class status or race. It’s about respect for your environment and the people around  and currently there is ZERO respect given. Why have we become so accepting of this behavior on urban Ohio? 

Edited June 18, 20213 yr by Troeros2

^ I agree - I don't think the critique has anything to do with race nor class, it's a valid criticism about a lack of respect for simple rules, a lack of respect for others, and a lack of respect for the environment. All of these things are very important, especially in an urban setting, and even more so in a park in an urban setting. Unfortunately, the wild parties that routinely take over the overlook demonstrate a profound example of a lack of all of these things.

Fine, let's remove the word 'poor' from my entire post, I'm sure it's all a misinterpretation on my part. You still don't seem to want anyone to do anything you don't like where you don't like it, policing everyone else's activities and ensuring they aren't visible in locations you like to visit. That seems like the very definition of having respect for your environment and the people around you, and I'm sure that fining and arresting everyone will solve that issue. 

 

As you said, parks are meant for everyone, not just your list of approved activities, and I think you're exaggerating massively as tends to happen with the discourse around the Overlook. I'm not excusing the litter, or even the alcohol drinking to some extent, but when I go to Eden Park, I see a lot of smiles, a lot of community, the parks being used, kids playing, and adults able to enjoy themselves at the end of a long day or on the weekend. To each their own - I'll go back to lurking and won't be offended if this gets removed. 

I didn't visit when it was closed to vehicles, but I heard that closing that street solved a lot of the disorderly conduct issues. There was momentum to keep it closed, then some people complained that the closure was racist and got it reopened.  That's going off of word of mouth and a few articles from local news stations last year.  It's in an embarrassing state right now, and if closing the street fixes that, then it needs to be done.

 

That said, people need spaces to congregate and socialize, and just because it's loud and there's trash doesn't mean these people should be exiled.