Posted May 13, 201015 yr Take this Chicago! Sorry about the opening paragraphs Cleveland. Top 10 cities for new grads By Kate Lorenz, CareerBuilder.com * Many new grads feel the pressure of deciding where to live after college * Expert suggests being flexible and open-minded about locations and jobs * Cincinnati, Ohio, has an average rent rate of $613 College senior Kaitlin Ripple had always known the business world was competitive. Yet when she started Baldwin-Wallace College, located in a suburb outside of Cleveland, Ohio, she had no way of knowing how cutthroat it would be when she entered the "real world." Now with graduation days away, Ripple is contemplating her next move. While she'd love to stay near Cleveland, Ripple, who majored in marketing and minored in international business, is realistic and has expanded her search far beyond the city's borders and started researching other cities' costs of living and job prospects. ... According to Apartments.com and CBcampus.com, the top 10 cities for new grads are: 1. Atlanta, Georgia Average rent:* $723 Popular entry-level categories: sales, marketing, customer service 2. Phoenix, Arizona Average rent: $669 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, training 3. Denver, Colorado Average rent: $779 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, health care 4. Dallas, Texas Average rent: $740 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, health care 5. Boston, Massachusetts Average rent: $1275 Popular entry-level categories: sales, marketing, training 6. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Average rent: $938 Popular entry-level categories: sales, marketing, health care 7. New York Average rent: $1,366 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, marketing 8. Cincinnati, Ohio Average rent: $613 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, management 9. Baltimore, Maryland Average rent: $1,041 Popular entry-level categories: sales, customer service, management 10. Los Angeles, California Average rent: $1319 Popular entry-level categories: sales, training, health care more: http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/worklife/05/12/cb.best.cities.new.grads/index.html?hpt=T2
May 14, 201015 yr This isn't a real article, it's a career builder advertorial in conjunction with apartments.com.
May 14, 201015 yr This isn't a real article, it's a career builder advertorial in conjunction with apartments.com. Good call. I've lived in & around Cleveland for years, and my "average rent" has been well below any of the numbers in this list. And I hope sales and customer service are not really considered proper jobs for a college graduate. "Sales" is repeated for every entry, as if we're supposed to say "oh wow, if I move to Arkabama I might be able to get into sales!" Sales jobs exist everywhere. Many are straight-commission, which isn't the best thing for people beginning their careers, who may be short on business contacts and high on student loans. And some of these jobs are the dreaded "list off all your relatives, and start calling them about Merrill Lynch" type jobs.
May 14, 201015 yr ^True. And wasn't Cleveland high on this list last year? Yes. But it's an ad. They can say almost whatever they want. This is why I consistently state, these list aren't worth posting.
May 14, 201015 yr Half the projects that are discussed on UO will never actually happen. Are they not worth posting as well? There's a whole thread devoted to Hollywood name dropping Cleveland. Is that worth posting? This list, although it's an ad, mentions an Ohio city (favorably at that), and I think it's appropriate to post.
May 14, 201015 yr Half the projects that are discussed on UO will never actually happen. Are they not worth posting as well? There's a whole thread devoted to Hollywood name dropping Cleveland. Is that worth posting? This list, although it's an ad, mentions an Ohio city (favorably at that), and I think it's appropriate to post. Yeah but this "list" is something made up to generate revenue, not fact. They could have put any city on that list and would have said the same things.
May 14, 201015 yr ^True. And wasn't Cleveland high on this list last year? Yes. But it's an ad. They can say almost whatever they want. This is why I consistently state, these list aren't worth posting. That's what I was getting at. It's advertisement. Not much else should be read into it.
May 14, 201015 yr Certainly not inappropriate to post, and certainly not inappropriate to question or criticize.
May 14, 201015 yr ^True. And wasn't Cleveland high on this list last year? Yes. But it's an ad. They can say almost whatever they want. This is why I consistently state, these list aren't worth posting. That's what I was getting at. It's advertisement. Not much else should be read into it. I agree with you. I was just adding more. LOL :)
May 14, 201015 yr Hmm...the fact that Jam40Jeff even knew Cleveland made the list last year makes me think that some of you read a little more into it than just treating it as an ad. Just saying... ;-)
May 14, 201015 yr Hmm...the fact that Jam40Jeff even knew Cleveland made the list last year makes me think that some of you read a little more into it than just treating it as an ad. Just saying... ;) No. If you look at my comments from previous lists, you'll see I'll make a comment about "lists" and how subjective they are. Especially any list posted that is compiled Forbes!
May 14, 201015 yr One thing MTS and I have in common is our distaste for lists that malign Cleveland, even if only in their intros. And if these same folks put Cleveland on this same list last year... then they misled that poor girl from BW, didn't they?
May 16, 201015 yr Hmm...the fact that Jam40Jeff even knew Cleveland made the list last year makes me think that some of you read a little more into it than just treating it as an ad. Just saying... ;-) I remembered because we had this same discussion last year (except about Cleveland instead of Cincinnati). It was a good advertisement for Cleveland then, and now it's a good advertisement for Cincinnati (and a bad advertisement for Cleveland at the same time, which is strange since we were on the list last year).
May 21, 201015 yr And they didn't even list marketing as one of Cincinnati's job categories, even though Cincinnati is one of the top marketing cities in the country.
May 21, 201015 yr And they didn't even list marketing as one of Cincinnati's job categories, even though Cincinnati is one of the top marketing cities in the country. Because it's an advertorial. The real message in this ad is to list apartments in cheap cities. Accuracy isn't a requirement.
May 21, 201015 yr Atlanta and Phoenix top off the list? Eww. This grad student prefers to live in a solid city, not sprawlburbia. I'll take the 3 Cs over those any day.
May 21, 201015 yr I hope I don't offend anyone.... but are our college grads really relegated to sales and customer service? I realize that sales is one of the, if not the, highest paying "profession"... but I don't run into too many young kids who say "I want to grow up to be a salesman"
May 22, 201015 yr ^No, kids don't say that, but eventually they find out that the world revolves around sales.
May 22, 201015 yr The modern expectation that college studnets work for free in order to get experience violates the 13th amendment. It's a lot easier to do if your living expenses are somehow paid for. Regressive in the extreme.
May 22, 201015 yr Wages are lower here in Ohio than most other places. If you have a California type wage here, you would TRULY live like a king.
May 22, 201015 yr "I don't know how anyone is suppose to get experience if no one is willing to hire someone fresh out of college." At the same time, I've met a lot of fresh out of college types who think they should be earning mid-career salaries upon hiring, and are horrified at the notion of being paid a relatively low wage and working their way up. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
May 22, 201015 yr "I don't know how anyone is suppose to get experience if no one is willing to hire someone fresh out of college." At the same time, I've met a lot of fresh out of college types who think they should be earning mid-career salaries upon hiring, and are horrified at the notion of being paid a relatively low wage and working their way up. That's probably because of their loan balances, which often presume a middle class salary. Nobody goes to college to become lower class. That's easy enough to do w/o spending four years in training. Something is wrong if you have to borrow $25k to make $25k. The current college equation is untenable for too many people, and I don't mean poetry majors. A lot of finance grads end up at branch banks, which pay a lot less than one might think. That's fine if you got there free and clear but fewer and fewer people are able to do that.
May 23, 201015 yr "Something is wrong if you have to borrow $25k to make $25k ... A lot of finance grads end up at branch banks, which pay a lot less than one might think. That's fine if you got there free and clear but fewer and fewer people are able to do that." At what point did the notion of "entry level" work go by the wayside? clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
May 23, 201015 yr "Something is wrong if you have to borrow $25k to make $25k ... A lot of finance grads end up at branch banks, which pay a lot less than one might think. That's fine if you got there free and clear but fewer and fewer people are able to do that." At what point did the notion of "entry level" work go by the wayside? When the cost of getting to "entry level" became outrageous, along with other costs of living. Wages have not kept up.
May 23, 201015 yr "I don't know how anyone is suppose to get experience if no one is willing to hire someone fresh out of college." At the same time, I've met a lot of fresh out of college types who think they should be earning mid-career salaries upon hiring, and are horrified at the notion of being paid a relatively low wage and working their way up. Agreed! At the same time, I've met a lot of fresh out of college types who think they should be earning mid-career salaries upon hiring, and are horrified at the notion of being paid a relatively low wage and working their way up. Almost every college grad seems to be under the illusion they should make 30k upon graduation, have health insurance, and get weekends and holidays off. They don't understand the meaning of hard work and sacrifice. They don't understand their education is just beginning. College grads have a sense of entitlement, for which the reasons are obvious. Their schoolteachers and parents have been constantly telling them that college is the path to the middle class. They've been told that their life will be better with a college degree than it would be without one. No one ever really questions this. Education is a sacred cow. This is where college grads get their attitude. Overly simplistic advice like "education will get you a job" should be taken with a grain of salt. Life is not as simple as "Do A, get B." That's no different from believing Axe body spray will get you laid. In America, we believe that education is always a good investment. Wow I'm shocked to read this post by you. Well sometimes you have to tear down a college grad and mold them and start them down the path to greatness. I've had to do this more than a few times.
May 23, 201015 yr College is an expensive scam, and no one has the guts to tell kids that it's not for everyone. Instead, we have this idea in our society that all should be going to college, and that if one doesn't go, that they're a failure. This problem is perpetuated by the government that throws assistance towards anyone and everyone that comes calling for it. More demand means higher prices, which is why tuition costs have gotten out of control in recent decades. There is nothing wrong with trade and technical schools, and the the reality is that more kids should be going that route after high school. Also, many of us that grew up in the boomin' 90s were lead to believe that going to college automatically meant a ticket into the middle class. Unfortunately, times have changed, and many are having trouble adapting to the new reality.
May 23, 201015 yr College is an expensive scam, and no one has the guts to tell kids that it's not for everyone. Instead, we have this idea in our society that all should be going to college, and that if one doesn't go, that they're a failure. This problem is perpetuated by the government that throws assistance towards anyone and everyone that comes calling for it. More demand means higher prices, which is why tuition costs have gotten out of control in recent decades. There is nothing wrong with trade and technical schools, and the the reality is that more kids should be going that route after high school. Also, many of us that grew up in the boomin' 90s were lead to believe that going to college automatically meant a ticket into the middle class. Unfortunately, times have changed, and many are having trouble adapting to the new reality. I dont agree that people think it's a ticket to the middle class. I think people need to cut back and live within their means. You have or buy 2 cars, $220 sneakers, but you're barely making it and living paycheck to paycheck. Thats the real problem.
May 23, 201015 yr Times have changed, and so have educational costs, but not in the same direction. On a smaller scale, the same imbalance exists with regard to trade schools. Some of those are flat-out ripoffs. Anything that advertises as much as they do can't be that sweet of a deal. The biggest savior for those without postsecondary education has been the housing boom. For quite a while it provided much better outcomes than college grads were seeing. Millions of garbage sprawly housing units went up, and profits were huge because the market was "bearing" prices for this crap which far outstripped its value. That's done, finished, over with. Or rather, it should be. Unfortunately decades of largess have given sprawl developers and contractors a lot of lobbying influence. So the legislature is constantly pressured to get the overpriced-sprawl industry back in action as soon as possible. I think we need to look at a different solution. Above all, our solution needs to be sustainable.
May 23, 201015 yr College is an expensive scam, and no one has the guts to tell kids that it's not for everyone. Instead, we have this idea in our society that all should be going to college, and that if one doesn't go, that they're a failure. This problem is perpetuated by the government that throws assistance towards anyone and everyone that comes calling for it. More demand means higher prices, which is why tuition costs have gotten out of control in recent decades. There is nothing wrong with trade and technical schools, and the the reality is that more kids should be going that route after high school. Also, many of us that grew up in the boomin' 90s were lead to believe that going to college automatically meant a ticket into the middle class. Unfortunately, times have changed, and many are having trouble adapting to the new reality. I dont agree that people think it's a ticket to the middle class. I think people need to cut back and live within their means. You have or buy 2 cars, $220 sneakers, but you're barely making it and living paycheck to paycheck. Thats the real problem. You're right. Kids think it should be a ticket to the upper class. :)
May 23, 201015 yr Times have changed, and so have educational costs, but not in the same direction. On a smaller scale, the same imbalance exists with regard to trade schools. Some of those are flat-out ripoffs. Anything that advertises as much as they do can't be that sweet of a deal. The biggest savior for those without postsecondary education has been the housing boom. For quite a while it provided much better outcomes than college grads were seeing. Millions of garbage sprawly housing units went up, and profits were huge because the market was "bearing" prices for this crap which far outstripped its value. That's done, finished, over with. Or rather, it should be. Unfortunately decades of largess have given sprawl developers and contractors a lot of lobbying influence. So the legislature is constantly pressured to get the overpriced-sprawl industry back in action as soon as possible. I think we need to look at a different solution. Above all, our solution needs to be sustainable. Some of those for-profit trade schools are indeed ripoffs. But I'm thinking more along the lines of a cooking program or carpentry program at Tri-C. Things that aren't taught in traditional four-year colleges.
May 25, 201015 yr I hear you, and if you'd like, I'd be happy to take a look at your resume - I don't claim to be a miracle worker, but I've helped a few people. My comment wasn't directed at people who have yet to break into the field of their choice - more the ones who are given an opportunity but scoff at it because they think 30s + benefits at age 22 is simply far too inadequate. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
May 25, 201015 yr I hear you, and if you'd like, I'd be happy to take a look at your resume - I don't claim to be a miracle worker, but I've helped a few people. My comment wasn't directed at people who have yet to break into the field of their choice - more the ones who are given an opportunity but scoff at it because they think 30s + benefits at age 22 is simply far too inadequate. Not to mention the non published perks one gets by being employed. Some grads/interns just don't get it.
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