I recall that Mayor Jackson and/or some other local political leaders said that we could put up temporary hotel housing if we were to get the RNC in '08.  That seems like the only feasible option as I cant imagine shuttles to suburban and there is no way any developer is going to build a hotel in 12 months. Not in this town.

 

Technically we have 26 months, but I guess they'd have to have a guarantee that it would be up by then.  Is the cruiseship-docking idea feasible or a joke?

I recall that Mayor Jackson and/or some other local political leaders said that we could put up temporary hotel housing if we were to get the RNC in '08. That seems like the only feasible option as I cant imagine shuttles to suburban and there is no way any developer is going to build a hotel in 12 months. Not in this town.

 

Technically we have 26 months, but I guess they'd have to have a guarantee that it would be up by then. Is the cruiseship-docking idea feasible or a joke?

 

It's probably feasibile but CLE really need another two and maybe three convention/business oriented hotels of quality.  MTS has mentioned a few... Westin, Omni, etc....

Awesome news! I think we were a finalist for the 2008 Republican Convention.

 

Seeing Charlotte on that list makes me nervous.

 

I don't think Charlotte has got anything on Cleveland.

 

I'm most worried about Charlotte because of North Carolina. It's one of the few swing states in the south and it will have 15-16 votes for 2012.  

 

2008 Electoral votes:

 

Ohio: 20

North Carolina: 15

Missouri: 11

Minnesota: 10

 

However, I think our number of electoral votes will play a huge role in the city selection. Ohio will have 19-20 votes in 2012.

 

Lastly, Ohio is the true definition of a swing state, electing 16 of the past 17 Presidents (we selected Nixon over Kennedy in 1960). North Carolina has only become a swing state recently, since it has historically voted for Republican canidates until this past election where Obama squeaked out a victory.

 

 

 

Ohio is ALWAYS in play yet there hasn't been a convention in CLE (don't know about CMH or CVG) since the 1936 Republican convention. 

I recall that Mayor Jackson and/or some other local political leaders said that we could put up temporary hotel housing if we were to get the RNC in '08.  That seems like the only feasible option as I cant imagine shuttles to suburban and there is no way any developer is going to build a hotel in 12 months. Not in this town.

 

Technically we have 26 months, but I guess they'd have to have a guarantee that it would be up by then.  Is the cruiseship-docking idea feasible or a joke?

 

It's probably feasibile but CLE really need another two and maybe three convention/business oriented hotels of quality.  MTS has mentioned a few... Westin, Omni, etc....

 

It is.  when I was pitchin CLE for our annual meeting.  The issue was the quality of hotels and that there arent enough properties where those who are loyalty members can redeem or earn points.  In downtown we dont have one starwood property (W, Westin, St. Regis, aloft, Element, Sheraton) or Best Western in our downtown.  Being devoid of a Starwood property is a huge black eye is most of their brands are considered hip/young and they have a HUGE gay marketing platform.

 

We dont have a single TOP tier property from Hilton (Conrad), Starwood (W, St. Regis, Luxury Collection), Priority Club (Intercontinental), Marriott (JW Marriott or Marriott Marquis) or Accor (Sofitel).  Nor do we have any independents like Loews or Omni.

 

In order to compete, we need those brands.  Simply having a above average Ritz Carlton and a Wyndham nor will the historic Renaissance or Hyatt.

 

Again, those with disposable income, gay, or the young hip urban crowd don't want to stay at a Hampton Inn or Holiday Inn they want hip and cool.

I recall that Mayor Jackson and/or some other local political leaders said that we could put up temporary hotel housing if we were to get the RNC in '08. That seems like the only feasible option as I cant imagine shuttles to suburban and there is no way any developer is going to build a hotel in 12 months. Not in this town.

 

Technically we have 26 months, but I guess they'd have to have a guarantee that it would be up by then. Is the cruiseship-docking idea feasible or a joke?

 

It's probably feasibile but CLE really need another two and maybe three convention/business oriented hotels of quality. MTS has mentioned a few... Westin, Omni, etc....

 

It is. when I was pitchin CLE for our annual meeting. The issue was the quality of hotels and that there arent enough properties where those who are loyalty members can redeem or earn points. In downtown we dont have one starwood property (W, Westin, St. Regis, aloft, Element, Sheraton) or Best Western in our downtown. Being devoid of a Starwood property is a huge black eye is most of their brands are considered hip/young and they have a HUGE gay marketing platform.

 

We dont have a single TOP tier property from Hilton (Conrad), Starwood (W, St. Regis, Luxury Collection), Priority Club (Intercontinental), Marriott (JW Marriott or Marriott Marquis) or Accor (Sofitel). Nor do we have any independents like Loews or Omni.

 

In order to compete, we need those brands. Simply having a above average Ritz Carlton and a Wyndham nor will the historic Renaissance or Hyatt.

 

Again, those with disposable income, gay, or the young hip urban crowd don't want to stay at a Hampton Inn or Holiday Inn they want hip and cool.

 

True right now, and I agree that we will probably be in a better position in 2016.  The Schofield should be complete by then, hopefully something exiting comes to the Huntington building, and FEB is finished with what some of us think will be an aloft.  Seems to be that the "hip" hotels realize that there is a hole here that needs to be filled, at least somewhat.  My only worry is what we hear about the vacancy rates and how that may affect some of these decisions.

True right now, and I agree that we will probably be in a better position in 2016.  The Schofield should be complete by then, hopefully something exiting comes to the Huntington building, and FEB is finished with what some of us think will be an aloft.  Seems to be that the "hip" hotels realize that there is a hole here that needs to be filled, at least somewhat.  My only worry is what we hear about the vacancy rates and how that may affect some of these decisions.

 

its certainly a catch 22, but those brands have marketing power and hotel and airline brand loyalist are crazed.  Ive been to some focus groups and they know their shit about hotels, airlines, car rentals and credit card churning.

 

But again, the aloft is a 2nd tier brand.  The Palamor would be a much needed property.  Right now we have buildings that could be turned around in time with top tier brands.  This needs to be addressed today.

So doesnt that lead into a bit what EC was saying (your talking about things that likely wont be in place in 2012 (that need to be)?

 

I know Im glad the gay games wont be in Cleveland till 2014*, so that (hopefully) at least there will be a Kimpton in place and maybe something else (aloft in the flats...), but since some of these events are life time opportunities (in our lifetime), I certainly wouldnt want the gays coming until we have more than our "lame" hotels, and hopefully some of the cities current holes filled in. 

 

Ultimately I feel the same about the DNC event if its going to be these peoples one and only impression of Cleveland. 

 

*I wanted to again mention how bitter the Washintonians are that they were not awarded the gay games and Cleveland was.  These are people that think Cleveland sucks and have never been there.  One thing DC does have alot of is hotels (and many cool ones), but also when it comes time I really want them to be blown away by Cleveland.     

well i certainly wouldn't be "embarrased" or anything close to it if people came here in 2012.  I think in the past 20 years what we have done in revitalizing our downtown is nothing short of spectacular and i would love to showcase it to the nation.  And whether places like the flats are under construction or complete is totally irrelevant to me.

 

I just don't think we have enough hotel rooms regardless of brand to be selected right now.  That being said there are probably at least 3 new hotels that will be complete by then.  The kimpton property, the tudor arms in UC and one other unnamed project downtown that I really think is going to happen.  We're still dwarfed by Minneapolis.

The fact that Cleveland is a finalist means that we must have (or will soon have) enough hotel rooms and meeting space to accomodate the DNC.  It will simply come down to which city is going to be able to provide the best experience for the attendees and at the best price for the political party.

 

I realize this isn't a great comparison, but if our city can handle 80,000 going to a football game or a sell out at The Q and the Indians are playing, I think we can handle a convention the size of the DNC.

 

Have some faith...

The fact that Cleveland is a finalist means that we must have (or will soon have) enough hotel rooms and meeting space to accomodate the DNC. It will simply come down to which city is going to be able to provide the best experience for the attendees and at the best price for the political party.

 

I realize this isn't a great comparison, but if our city can handle 80,000 going to a football game or a sell out at The Q and the Indians are playing, I think we can handle a convention the size of the DNC.

 

Have some faith...

 

Actually no it doesn't.....

 

For all we know the DNC has already made up its mind and is just throwing bones to certain cities if only just to say we're thinking about you......

The fact that Cleveland is a finalist means that we must have (or will soon have) enough hotel rooms and meeting space to accommodate the DNC.  It will simply come down to which city is going to be able to provide the best experience for the attendees and at the best price for the political party.

 

I realize this isn't a great comparison, but if our city can handle 80,000 going to a football game or a sell out at The Q and the Indians are playing, I think we can handle a convention the size of the DNC.

 

Have some faith...

 

Actually no it doesn't.....

 

For all we know the DNC has already made up its mind and is just throwing bones to certain cities if only just to say we're thinking about you......

 

It is too easy to verify any convention's space and hotel room requirements.  This isn't "throwing a bone."  It is more likely a bidding war for which city will do the most to accommodate the convention.  When I ran large meetings I routinely found myself on the receiving end of "here's what we will do for your group" proposals.  There was an earlier post about how it will cost the City of Cleveland to play host.  I hope whoever is developing that proposal doesn't bankrupt the city.

I know the higher ups at MMPI are tight with the upper leadership of tge DNC, not just Chris Kennedy.  From an electoral vote perspective, CLE would be where they want to go.  I am sure there have been discussions between the two to try to figure out a way to make it work.

While I'm naturally rooting for STL, I think Cleveland is every bit as deserving! 

Well, nothing too newsworthy, but the governor is already talking about it:

 

Governor Ted Strickland Pushes for DNC Convention

Tuesday, July 6th, 2010

 

 

Ohio Governor Ted Strickland is making an appeal to Democrats in an effort to persuade party leaders to host the 2012 Democratic National Convention in Cleveland, one of four finalist cities announced early this week.

 

"I can think of no better place to play host to a 2012 national political convention than the city of Cleveland," Mr. Strickland said in a statement.

 

The governor referenced the city’s rich history and cultural offerings that may offer convention planners a menu of options. The Ohio governor also noted that “Cleveland provides the ideal backdrop for what is sure to be an historic convention as the city embodies the diversity and determined hope of America."

 

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/2010/07/06/strickland_dnc_8822.php

 

Does anyone have an idea when the winner is announced?  Will it be this year?

 

 

EDIT: After a little google research, Denver found out in Jan 2007...for their August 25-28, 2008 event.

 

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=62996

The original article posted said that they hope to pick a location by the end of the year.  I assume the announcement wouldn't come too long after that.

The original article posted said that they hope to pick a location by the end of the year.  I assume the announcement wouldn't come too long after that.

 

The "decision" will be made live on C-Span and LeBron will be the host/moderator.

LeBron James will be making the announcement, in an hour long special for charity!!!  :lol:

LeBron James will be making the announcement, in an hour long special for charity!!!  :lol:

 

This time from the Boys and Girls Club in Beverly Hills.  If that facility isn't available, his next option will be the Boys and Girls Club of Winnetka.

He will decide that the Democratic Party will take their talents to Minneapolis (i just threw that city in for the purpose of the joke)

Ain't gona happen.  The Democrats will not take their convention to Cleveland for the same reasons they would not take it to Detroit.  The Republicans would consider Cleveland though. 

Ain't gona happen. The Democrats will not take their convention to Cleveland for the same reasons they would not take it to Detroit. The Republicans would consider Cleveland though.

 

What reasons?  I think I know where you're going with that, but I disagree.

Ain't gona happen.  The Democrats will not take their convention to Cleveland for the same reasons they would not take it to Detroit.  The Republicans would consider Cleveland though. 

 

What reasons?  I think I know where you're going with that, but I disagree.

 

Actually, he has a valid point.  DTW and CLE are democrat party strongholds.  In a weak economy - and with the national press all but having written-off the "industrial mid-west", a convention here would only concentrate coverage on the performance of the party on economic issues for the last two years.

 

Meanwhile, a republican party convention here, press coverage being the same, would give that a party a platform to present something alternative.  Going against the grain so to speak.

 

In order for democrat party convention here to happen, the region will have to be economically rebounding.  Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that a convention in the midst of construcction woul be bad and embarrassing.  NO... this is exactly what would be good in this case. The party could demonstrate that its policies helped make the rebound possible.

Ain't gona happen. The Democrats will not take their convention to Cleveland for the same reasons they would not take it to Detroit. The Republicans would consider Cleveland though.

 

What reasons? I think I know where you're going with that, but I disagree.

 

 

Cleveland, and Cuyahoga County (and Ohio to some degree) and Detroit  (and Michigan to a large degree) can be painted as economic laboratories for generational, corrupt Democratic Rule.  By having the Democratic convention here that would allow the Republicans to mock the Democrats and show the rest of the country what happens when you put Democrats in charge.  Democrats would be much better off going to a prosperous Democratic city, a la Minneapolis. 

Ain't gona happen.  The Democrats will not take their convention to Cleveland for the same reasons they would not take it to Detroit.  The Republicans would consider Cleveland though. 

 

What reasons?  I think I know where you're going with that, but I disagree.

 

 

Cleveland, and Cuyahoga County (and Ohio to some degree) and Detroit  (and Michigan to a large degree) can be painted as economic laboratories for generational, corrupt Democratic Rule.  By having the Democratic convention here that would allow the Republicans to mock the Democrats and show the rest of the country what happens when you put Democrats in charge.  Democrats would be much better off going to a prosperous Democratic city, a la Minneapolis. 

 

And nobody generalizes more than you!

 

Ain't gona happen.  The Democrats will not take their convention to Cleveland for the same reasons they would not take it to Detroit.  The Republicans would consider Cleveland though. 

 

What reasons?  I think I know where you're going with that, but I disagree.

 

Actually, he has a valid point.  DTW and CLE are democrat party strongholds.  In a weak economy - and with the national press all but having written-off the "industrial mid-west", a convention here would only concentrate coverage on the performance of the party on economic issues for the last two years.

 

Meanwhile, a republican party convention here, press coverage being the same, would give that a party a platform to present something alternative.  Going against the grain so to speak.

 

In order for democrat party convention here to happen, the region will have to be economically rebounding.  Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that a convention in the midst of construcction woul be bad and embarrassing.  NO... this is exactly what would be good in this case. The party could demonstrate that its policies helped make the rebound possible.

 

Exactly!

And we can't forget--Ohio is still the biggest and most important swing state in all of this...

Why would the DNC want to hold a convention here? Because they can show off and claim credit (justly or unjustly) for the flood of new jobs coming into nearby cities like Youngstown. Please see the several threads on Youngstown in this section for more details.

Why would the DNC want to hold a convention here? Because they can show off and claim credit (justly or unjustly) for the flood of new jobs coming into nearby cities like Youngstown. Please see the several threads on Youngstown in this section for more details.

 

I know, when I was in CLE a couple weeks ago, all I saw was American Recovery and Reinvestment Act signs all around.  LOL, you don't see this in alot of other places.

I know, when I was in CLE a couple weeks ago, all I saw was American Recovery and Reinvestment Act signs all around. LOL, you don't see this in alot of other places.

 

I'm on the road quite a bit and I see the signs every city I go to.

Nah, I'm talking about all the new, expanded or reactivated factories, warehouses and other businesses. By my count, we're looking at 8,000 new or reinstated jobs and more than 20,000 spin-off jobs.

I know, when I was in CLE a couple weeks ago, all I saw was American Recovery and Reinvestment Act signs all around.  LOL, you don't see this in alot of other places.

 

I'm on the road quite a bit and I see the signs every city I go to.

 

I've seen the signs in places as well, BUT are the places you've traveled considered great american cities?

Ain't gona happen.  The Democrats will not take their convention to Cleveland for the same reasons they would not take it to Detroit.  The Republicans would consider Cleveland though. 

 

What reasons?  I think I know where you're going with that, but I disagree.

 

Actually, he has a valid point.  DTW and CLE are democrat party strongholds.  In a weak economy - and with the national press all but having written-off the "industrial mid-west", a convention here would only concentrate coverage on the performance of the party on economic issues for the last two years.

 

Meanwhile, a republican party convention here, press coverage being the same, would give that a party a platform to present something alternative.  Going against the grain so to speak.

 

In order for democrat party convention here to happen, the region will have to be economically rebounding.  Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that a convention in the midst of construcction woul be bad and embarrassing.  NO... this is exactly what would be good in this case. The party could demonstrate that its policies helped make the rebound possible.

 

Good points, but Ohio is still an important swing state, and all of the 3Cs are "Democrat Party strongholds."  It's only when you start leaving the urban core (and this goes for Cleveland, too), that you start to see more Republican strength.  If either party wants to come to Ohio (which I think makes too much sense that I'm surprised it hasn't happened recently), there aren't many options.

Besides, Obama owes us one.  He threw Pittsburgh a bone for their support by giving them the G20 last year, it's time for the big payback for Cleveland. 

Besides, Obama owes us one.  He threw Pittsburgh a bone for their support by giving them the G20 last year, it's time for the big payback for Cleveland. 

 

Who makes the decision on where the DNC will be held??? Certainly not Obama so I'm not really sure why you said that.

Why would the DNC want to hold a convention here? Because they can show off and claim credit (justly or unjustly) for the flood of new jobs coming into nearby cities like Youngstown. Please see the several threads on Youngstown in this section for more details.

 

 

Good Lord man.  Whatever the truth may be you don't want to hold up Youngstown to the nation as a symbol of Democratic policy success.  The Republicans will take that one to the bank.  Am I misunderstanding you?

Besides, Obama owes us one.  He threw Pittsburgh a bone for their support by giving them the G20 last year, it's time for the big payback for Cleveland. 

 

Who makes the decision on where the DNC will be held??? Certainly not Obama so I'm not really sure why you said that.

 

Um, you don't think he has some sway?  If he came out and strongly supported Cleveland for the bid, we'd almost certainly get it.  I don't think he cares enough about us, however, but that's fine, because karma dictates that the state will turn red again in 2012.

Why would the DNC want to hold a convention here? Because they can show off and claim credit (justly or unjustly) for the flood of new jobs coming into nearby cities like Youngstown. Please see the several threads on Youngstown in this section for more details.

 

 

Good Lord man.  Whatever the truth may be you don't want to hold up Youngstown to the nation as a symbol of Democratic policy success.  The Republicans will take that one to the bank.  Am I misunderstanding you?

 

Sadly, I think you're right.  If the Democrats want to go someplace to highlight their success stories, and if Beijing isn't an option, then they'd be wise to stay away from the industrial Midwest where their policies have destroyed cities.  Their best bet is to go places that are thriving--or at least surviving--despite their policies.  Charlotte and Minneapolis fit the bill.

Ugh this thread is turning into a political argument...

Sadly, I think you're right.  If the Democrats want to go someplace to highlight their success stories, and if Beijing isn't an option, then they'd be wise to stay away from the industrial Midwest where their policies have destroyed cities.  Their best bet is to go places that are thriving--or at least surviving--despite their policies.  Charlotte and Minneapolis fit the bill.

 

St. Louis is actually doing pretty well, and it's one of the top 5 most Democratic cities in the country.  While its rebound may have slowed down in the economic downturn, it's still getting better and better with each passing day.

 

Greetings from Cleveland, by the way!  It's always great to be here!

Besides, Obama owes us one.  He threw Pittsburgh a bone for their support by giving them the G20 last year, it's time for the big payback for Cleveland. 

 

Who makes the decision on where the DNC will be held??? Certainly not Obama so I'm not really sure why you said that.

 

Um, you don't think he has some sway?  If he came out and strongly supported Cleveland for the bid, we'd almost certainly get it.  I don't think he cares enough about us, however, but that's fine, because karma dictates that the state will turn red again in 2012.

 

I disagree

Sadly, I think you're right.  If the Democrats want to go someplace to highlight their success stories, and if Beijing isn't an option, then they'd be wise to stay away from the industrial Midwest where their policies have destroyed cities.  Their best bet is to go places that are thriving--or at least surviving--despite their policies.  Charlotte and Minneapolis fit the bill.

 

St. Louis is actually doing pretty well, and it's one of the top 5 most Democratic cities in the country.  While its rebound may have slowed down in the economic downturn, it's still getting better and better with each passing day.

 

Greetings from Cleveland, by the way!  It's always great to be here!

 

Welcome Jivecity!  If you have any questions/need any recommendations...let us know.

Thanks!  Tonight's GLUE conference dinner is at the Great Lakes Brewing Co.  It would be great to meet some of you there later.  I'm not sure how structured it's going to be this time.  If any of you guys decide to show up there around 8-ish, you can look for the Jewish twins from St. Louis and say hello!

Thanks!  Tonight's GLUE conference dinner is at the Great Lakes Brewing Co.  It would be great to meet some of you there later.  I'm not sure how structured it's going to be this time.  If any of you guys decide to show up there around 8-ish, you can look for the Jewish twins from St. Louis and say hello!

 

OY!

Sadly, I think you're right.  If the Democrats want to go someplace to highlight their success stories, and if Beijing isn't an option, then they'd be wise to stay away from the industrial Midwest where their policies have destroyed cities.  Their best bet is to go places that are thriving--or at least surviving--despite their policies.  Charlotte and Minneapolis fit the bill.

 

St. Louis is actually doing pretty well, and it's one of the top 5 most Democratic cities in the country.  While its rebound may have slowed down in the economic downturn, it's still getting better and better with each passing day.

 

Greetings from Cleveland, by the way!  It's always great to be here!

 

I love St. Louis, I visit a few times a year.  I'm not sold on the idea that it's doing all that great.  Better than Cleveland?  Sure, a little bit.

Besides, Obama owes us one. He threw Pittsburgh a bone for their support by giving them the G20 last year, it's time for the big payback for Cleveland.

 

Who makes the decision on where the DNC will be held??? Certainly not Obama so I'm not really sure why you said that.

 

Um, you don't think he has some sway? If he came out and strongly supported Cleveland for the bid, we'd almost certainly get it. I don't think he cares enough about us, however, but that's fine, because karma dictates that the state will turn red again in 2012.

 

I disagree

 

Why do you disagree?

Ohio Democratic Chairman: Cleveland has "great chance" at convention

Posted: 9/1/2010 2:45:12

 

CLEVELAND -- Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern says Cleveland has a "great chance" to beat out three competing cities for the 2012 Democratic convention.

 

"We've got a great arena and we've got a great rebirth going on... We've got a great chance," he told WKYC's Tom Beres.

 

What does President Obama think about Cleveland as a city to launch his bid for a second term.

 

Redfern says, "The President indicated to me and the Democratic National Chairman has indicated to me that Cleveland would be a great choice and especially the chairman has indicated to me he would like Ohio if it's at all possible."

 

"The electoral importance of this state cannot be put in words properly. We can lose North Carolina, we can lose Missouri, we can lose Minnesota but you can't lose Ohio," Redfern said.

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=146414&catid=45

I 100% agree with that Quote, however, my honest opinion, despite being a DEM, is that come 11/10, Ohio will go RED due to the political environment and the uneducated majority base of the voters. And despite the fact I hope Ohio goes BLUE, I think the DEM party big wigs realize the OH is a loss this Mid Term election and will unfortunately rule it out as such.

As far as hotel space; the last time they were talking about hosting something major like this in Cleveland, I forget if it was a Political Convention or the Olympics, they included Akron Area Hotels. If they did, it would add at-least another 5 high quality hotels and a host of other mediocre motels.

 

Not everyone who comes to town will be 'Big Wigs'; many who come to town will be happy with rooms that are 35 miles or less away. There will be shuttle services and people will be renting cars, etc. Some will be on a budget and enjoy the savings at the less prominent motels outside of the city.

I 100% agree with that Quote, however, my honest opinion, despite being a DEM, is that come 11/10, Ohio will go RED due to the political environment and the uneducated majority base of the voters. And despite the fact I hope Ohio goes BLUE, I think the DEM party big wigs realize the OH is a loss this Mid Term election and will unfortunately rule it out as such.

 

Because you have to be uneducated to vote Republican, right?  I love how you so nonchalantly imply that Republicans will win because all of their stupid supporters will come out to vote. 

 

So, what you're telling me is that if I were "educated" I should be able to see how the Democrats are clearly on the right path and the right guys for the job?  Sure, anyone with any shred of intelligence could see that.  I won't let those Republicans trick me into voting for them!  :roll:

 

For the record I'm a Strickland supporter and I would probably vote for Obama over any of the current front runners for the Republican nomination in 2012.  I just found your "uneducated majority base" statement asinine.

I realize this thread is about a political party deciding whether or not to hold a convention in Cleveland, but let's use the "focus filter" and keep the politics out of this, OK folks? This is ultimately a thread about whether Cleveland has the physical capacity to host it, whether the party will or won't select Cleveland, and what the economic impact might be on the city if it is chosen.