Do the permits have to cost money?  In Boston, they're free- you just have to prove you live in the neighborhood.

Perry Street is East 22nd now.

 

Oregon is Rockwell Avenue.

 

http://ech.cwru.edu/Resource/text/SNC.html

 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~officer/Clev1906Streets.html

 

I think you meant E. 21st.  E. 22nd was Hazard St.

 

 

I'm trying to figure out where the intersection of Oregon St and Perry St would have been located in 1895. I tried looking through the old directories but was not able to find much. The only thing I found was that Oregon St. was changed to Oregon Ave., so I assume Oregon was an east west street. Does anyone know anything about this?

 

You'll enjoy this site.  Much easier than looking through directories:

 

http://peoplemaps.esri.com/cleveland/

Perry Street is East 22nd now.

 

Oregon is Rockwell Avenue.

 

http://ech.cwru.edu/Resource/text/SNC.html

 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~officer/Clev1906Streets.html

 

I think you meant E. 21st.  E. 22nd was Hazard St.

 

 

 

Maybe so - I was relying on the history of St Vincent Charity Hospital which states it was founded on Perry Street... but 22nd doesn't exist at Rockwell, so you're likely correct.  I thought perhaps it had been vacated at some point north of Superior.

 

Cleveland citizens agreed and the site—at Perry Street (now East 22nd Street) between Marion and Garden Streets (now Central Avenue)—was purchased for $10,000.

 

http://www.stvincentcharity.com/about-st-vincent-charity-medical-center/

Anyone know what is under construction on the second level of the 200 PS atrium? It's the north side of the atrium, about 3 or 4 retail spaces are covered with a black tarp against the glass.

Anyone know what is under construction on the second level of the 200 PS atrium? It's the north side of the atrium, about 3 or 4 retail spaces are covered with a black tarp against the glass.

I think Fox 8 is moving something in there.  Not sure what it is, but that's what I heard.  The little convenient store is moving elsewhere in the atrium to make room for them.

Anyone know what is under construction on the second level of the 200 PS atrium? It's the north side of the atrium, about 3 or 4 retail spaces are covered with a black tarp against the glass.

I think Fox 8 is moving something in there.  Not sure what it is, but that's what I heard.  The little convenient store is moving elsewhere in the atrium to make room for them.

 

I didn't know there was a convenience store in there! Come to think of it, I've been in the atrium of 200 Public Square only once or twice and that was years ago.

 

 

I was watching a promotional video put out by in '88...

 

It mentions the All Nations Festival.

 

When was its last year? Why did it decline? Where was it held? Anything comparable to it today? From the video and searching on the cleveland encyclopedia, It sounded like it was a cultural and ethnic festival for multiple ethnicities (mostly European) and sponsored by Stroh's.

 

Parade the Circle is a good multi cultural multi national event

See also the Cleveland One World Festival, which takes place in and celebrates the Cultural Gardens along MLK Blvd.

 

 

I was watching a promotional video put out by in '88...

 

It mentions the All Nations Festival.

 

When was its last year? Why did it decline? Where was it held? Anything comparable to it today? From the video and searching on the cleveland encyclopedia, It sounded like it was a cultural and ethnic festival for multiple ethnicities (mostly European) and sponsored by Stroh's.

 

 

It was on one of the Malls downtown.  I went a few times as a kid and while in college.  It was mostly food booths with some ethnic bands occasionally playing out.  Pretty good actually, but as you say in direct proportion to the ethnicities in Cleveland at the time, and the Eurasian ones at that.  "Multicultural" meant something different then.

 

I'm not sure what happened to it.

 

 

I was watching a promotional video put out by in '88...

 

It mentions the All Nations Festival.

 

When was its last year? Why did it decline? Where was it held? Anything comparable to it today? From the video and searching on the cleveland encyclopedia, It sounded like it was a cultural and ethnic festival for multiple ethnicities (mostly European) and sponsored by Stroh's.

 

My memory is fuzzy on this topic, but I want to say Perk had something to do with this event and that is when they renamed the Park after him. 

 

 

I was watching a promotional video put out by in '88...

 

It mentions the All Nations Festival.

 

When was its last year? Why did it decline? Where was it held? Anything comparable to it today? From the video and searching on the cleveland encyclopedia, It sounded like it was a cultural and ethnic festival for multiple ethnicities (mostly European) and sponsored by Stroh's.

 

My memory is fuzzy on this topic, but I want to say Perk had something to do with this event and that is when they renamed the Park after him. 

 

It was huge on his mayoral calendar because the ethnic groups were his base, but I think it predated his mayoralty.  It happened on the Mall. The park was Chester Commons until the mid 90s, when it was renamed.

 

Perk was a hugely underrated politician and mayor.

Just curious to see if anyone knows why there were fireworks downtown tonight? I couldn't find anything and it wasn't for the Indians.

I was wondering the same thing. All the sudden I started hearing loud booms and I honest to God thought a plane crashed or something.

 

My friend said it was coming from the EY building. I wonder if it had something to do with the anniversary of the opening? Isn't it two years as of now? I can't fully recall.

I heard about a fireworks show in the flats tonight but no idea as to the purpose

I heard about a fireworks show in the flats tonight but no idea as to the purpose

 

I heard it and went outside and watched. It was a big show and went on for a good 20-25mins at least too. No one else who was around watching from my building had any idea what it was for either, and I couldn't find anything online. I posted the question to the Downtown Cleveland Alliance FB to see if they might have an answer...

I heard about a fireworks show in the flats tonight but no idea as to the purpose

 

I heard it and went outside and watched. It was a big show and went on for a good 20-25mins at least too. No one else who was around watching from my building had any idea what it was for either, and I couldn't find anything online. I posted the question to the Downtown Cleveland Alliance FB to see if they might have an answer...

 

One of my high school classmates from Lorain is the former political director of the RNC, and he posted a picture of the fireworks with this caption:

"Amazing reception in the CLE. Get ready RNC — at Tucker Ellis LLP."

In Shaker along Van Aken at the intersection with Winslow (behind Shaker Plaza), Were there plans to build more apartments on the SE corner like on the SW corner? Was this another project lost to the recession?

^The developer did indeed intend to build condos at the SE corner, too.  I'm sure the recession sealed its fate, but the initial phase sold poorly even before the economy fell apart and condo financing dried up.  The city even stepped in to offer cash incentives to help the units sell. Vertical condos just don't seem to be big winners in the Cleveland area market.

^The developer did indeed intend to build condos at the SE corner, too.  I'm sure the recession sealed its fate, but the initial phase sold poorly even before the economy fell apart and condo financing dried up.  The city even stepped in to offer cash incentives to help the units sell. Vertical condos just don't seem to be big winners in the Cleveland area market.

 

I tend to agree, but both these and the Avenue District condos have high-end finishes and were initially listed at extravagant prices for their borderline locations.  And their timing could not have been worse. 

 

It's possible that vertical condos could do well here if their prices and finishes line up better with their market areas than these did.  I know there's the issue of justifying construction costs, but those costs are variable to an extent.  The higher margins of top-end development are great when you can get them, but they alone don't justify building such units in areas where they can't sell.  I'm guessing this development would have sold better in the core of downtown or in a choice part of the near west side, i.e. somewhere that's currently gentrifying.

 

More specifically, in Shaker there are far better house options at this price point, while the people looking for smaller vertical spaces prefer to rent.  People buying in Shaker are typically looking to raise kids there, and vertical condos are not seen as ideal for that.  Meanwhile, lots of people coming in and out for the schools and the hospitals are interested in this type of space, and have money, but are in no position to buy there because their need is for 2-4 years, not 20-30.

Ahh thank you. I didn't even know they were condos, I thought they were apartments. I think they other corner could certainly support apartments to compliment the condos. Of course the area has plenty of nice historic apartment buildings, but there are plenty of people who love that area but prefer modern units. I've always wondered at the lack of modern apartments in the Heights.

^Sounds like modern apartments are in the cards just up the street at the new Van Aken project.  But yeah, maybe there's a market for them to fill out the "Avalon Station" site you asked about too.

Random quick question:  What is the purpose of this bridge between Rockefeller Ave and the US Post Office seen here:

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.488286,-81.6758078,456m/data=!3m1!1e3

Random quick question:  What is the purpose of this bridge between Rockefeller Ave and the US Post Office seen here:

 

https://goo.gl/maps/U9H4HEngA9

 

It keeps giving me an error message when I click on the link

 

EDIT: Never mind, found it.

 

It's a utility bridge. Rockefeller was built on a bridge over the tracks by the Cleveland Union Terminal Co. in the 1920s. CUT was a Van Sweringen brothers-formed company that built, owned and operated the Cleveland Union Terminal complex including Terminal Tower and all of the approach tracks. When Forest City Enterprises acquired the Terminal Group in the early 1980s, the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority acquired most of the CUT rights of way that ran from Linndale to Collinwood. That included many of the bridges over and under the railroad right of way that CUT built. One of those was the Rockefeller Road bridge that was closed for many years due to its unsafe condition. Given that truck traffic could access the Industrial Flats via other roads, GCRTA didn't want to replace the bridge. But there was a significant utility line that ran through the substructure of the old road bridge. So GCRTA agreed to restore a bridge only for the utility line. I do not know what the utility line is -- perhaps a water and/or sewer line.

 

BTW, if you're wondering why Norfolk Southern (NS, owner of the tracks seen at right -- BTW the CUT tracks ran between NS and the RTA tracks at left) didn't contribute anything financially to the bridge project, there's a reason for and against that. The reason for it is that when the Van Sweringens were building the Cleveland Union Terminal in the 1920s, the Vans also owned the Nickel Plate Railroad, an ancestor of NS. So of all three main railroad rights of way below that bridge (there was actually a fourth railroad whose remnant can still be seen in that picture, but now we're complicating things!), the Vans owned all three of them. The reason why NS didn't contribute anything goes back even farther. Even where the "steam" railroads built roadway underpasses or overpasses (which they did frequently in the early 20th century when the unpaved roads were no threat to them), the railroads refuse to pay for repairs to them today citing their unwillingness to aid their competition.

 

BTW, the "other railroad" remnant is seen at the right. See the trench below the right hand side of the utility bridge? That's the ramp for the old Baltimore & Ohio interchange track that was used by B&O passenger trains to make a zig-zag, or switchback move to get from CUT to the B&O Valley Line to Akron (where its Baltimore/Washington-Pittsburgh-Chicago mainline passed). B&O also used this as a freight interchange between B&O's Clark Avenue Yard to Nickel Plate's East 55th yard. Most of that interchange track is still there, just obscured by vegetation.

I heard an advertisement for this place on Pandora. 

 

Anyone been?  How is it?  I'd never heard of it.

 

http://www.clevelandmetroparks.com/Main/e55-on-the-Lake.aspx

 

https://m.facebook.com/pages/East-55th-Marina-Lake-Erie/264504396974434

 

 

^where exactly is it?

^where exactly is it?

 

On the lake. At the E 55th Marina

^where exactly is it?

 

Same thought and question!  I had no idea there's a restaurant there with lakefront views.

How many hotel rooms does downtown Cleveland now have?  With the parade tomorrow and Cleveland.com "reporting" that all downtown hotels are booked, that must be an impressive number of people coming in from elsewhere for a Wednesday!

 

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk

 

 

^ About 5,000

 

This is a long shot, but:

 

So, as a very young child in the late 80s, early 1990s, I remember seeing an orange construction sign either on the shoreway (near deadman's curve) or the Innerbelt that said 'Monkey Bridge is out/Closed.' I likely misremember the name, since I can't find anything on a 'monkey bridge' but was there a bridge in that vicinity that was under construction or out of commission for several years?!

 

This is a long shot, but:

 

So, as a very young child in the late 80s, early 1990s, I remember seeing an orange construction sign either on the shoreway (near deadman's curve) or the Innerbelt that said 'Monkey Bridge is out/Closed.' I likely misremember the name, since I can't find anything on a 'monkey bridge' but was there a bridge in that vicinity that was under construction or out of commission for several years?!

 

Don't know about a "monkey bridge" but that was right around the time that the Eagle Avenue ramp and bridge was closed for rehabilitation (1990-91). It stayed open for only another a decade or so and then was permanently closed in 2005.

 

The Main Avenue Bridge was closed for a year or so in 1992-93 for major reconstruction of the deck and steel truss work. ODOT built a temporary roadway from the West Shoreway onto Detroit Avenue so traffic into downtown from the West Side could be quickly rerouted via the Veterans Memorial Bridge.

 

Those are the only two major bridge closures downtown I can remember from that era.

 

This is a long shot, but:

 

So, as a very young child in the late 80s, early 1990s, I remember seeing an orange construction sign either on the shoreway (near deadman's curve) or the Innerbelt that said 'Monkey Bridge is out/Closed.' I likely misremember the name, since I can't find anything on a 'monkey bridge' but was there a bridge in that vicinity that was under construction or out of commission for several years?!

 

Don't know about a "monkey bridge" but that was right around the time that the Eagle Avenue ramp and bridge was closed for rehabilitation (1990-91). It stayed open for only another a decade or so and then was permanently closed in 2005.

 

The Main Avenue Bridge was closed for a year or so in 1992-93 for major reconstruction of the deck and steel truss work. ODOT built a temporary roadway from the West Shoreway onto Detroit Avenue so traffic into downtown from the West Side could be quickly rerouted via the Veterans Memorial Bridge.

 

Those are the only two major bridge closures downtown I can remember from that era.

 

Thanks! It was likely one of those two, I'm thinking. I'm guessing I confused Eagle with Monkey  =p

What about the bridge that was near/part of State Chemical? I only bring that one up because you mentioned Dead Man's Curve.

I think that's the East 33rd underpass of NS. It's such an insignificant roadway that I doubt it would have been mentioned on a sign along an interstate.

Sorry, but what is NS

norfolk southern RR

 

What's the details on the construction on the eastern side of the county courthouse on Lakeside Ave, across from the Hilton? Lakeside is 2 lanes.

 

 

What's the details on the construction on the eastern side of the county courthouse on Lakeside Ave, across from the Hilton? Lakeside is 2 lanes.

 

They are building an underground walkway connecting the garage behind the courthouse to the Hilton.

its taking forever!

 

There was an article on cleveland.com about the garage renovations. In it there was a blurb about the walkway saying it would be done this summer.

 

edit: Here it is.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2017/02/cuyahoga_county_parking_garage_needs_additional_1_million-plus_to_fix_crumbling_concrete_needs.html

 

Garage repairs are expected to be concluded by late fall. A $10 million underground walkway from the garage to the hotel will be complete by the end of the summer, Dever said.

What would you consider "Greater Cleveland?"

 

The wiki page defines it as only the MSA.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Cleveland

 

Lazy reporters/people use wiki more than we'd like to know (which to me makes the entire region look much smaller). 

 

EDIT: Even Google search engines often use wiki for definitions.  For example, Google "greater cleveland population."  It gives the MSA population but a map of the CSA.

 

Do you think it should be changed?

^The media market..... which closely aligns with the new CSA (Cleveland/Akron-Canton) I believe.  I'd include Sandusky.  Youngstown is debatable.  Maybe as far south as Mansfield.

The media market is 17 counties, from Erie County to Ashtabula County, as far SW as Mansfield, and as far SE as Carroll County. Youngstown is a separate media market, so Trumbull, Mahoning, and Columbiana are not included. 

 

These markets are defined by Nielsen, and are officially called DMAs, or Designated Market Areas. Their reason for being is media ratings, for advertising purposes.

 

You can find out about the CSA at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_statistical_areas  which I believe is 13 counties.

So we're all in agreement "Greater Cleveland" does not equal MSA?

^t can't.  If it did, then places like Hudson, Macedonia, and Peninsula would not be considered part of "Greater Cleveland"

Quick help? My girlfriend is working on her final project for urban studies and I'm helping her with some research. It's regarding available, higher-than-minimum-wage, low-skill factory and warehouse jobs being inaccessible by public transit. It's a topic I'm also interested in. I'm helping her search for employment centers throughout the entire metro with these kinds of industrial jobs. I figure I can end up spotting them from satellite imagery on Google but if you want to chime in and name-drop some of these employment centers and their locations to help me help her, feel free to chime in and thank you in advance!

Quick help? My girlfriend is working on her final project for urban studies and I'm helping her with some research. It's regarding available, higher-than-minimum-wage, low-skill factory and warehouse jobs being inaccessible by public transit. It's a topic I'm also interested in. I'm helping her search for employment centers throughout the entire metro with these kinds of industrial jobs. I figure I can end up spotting them from satellite imagery on Google but if you want to chime in and name-drop some of these employment centers and their locations to help me help her, feel free to chime in and thank you in advance!

 

 

(PAGING E Rocc who'd know for sure); here are some just to throw out, no idea if they're the jobs that you're looking for; but they're industrial.

 

lakeland boulevard, just south of 90; lincoln electric (east 222nd and st. clair). West 160th (south of puritas in cleveland);