April 12, 20178 yr Try page 30 of the county's economic development framework. Download it here: Countyplanning.us/projects/economic-development-plan/ You could also use this great tool from the census: onthemap.ces.census.gov
April 12, 20178 yr Quick help? My girlfriend is working on her final project for urban studies and I'm helping her with some research. It's regarding available, higher-than-minimum-wage, low-skill factory and warehouse jobs being inaccessible by public transit. It's a topic I'm also interested in. I'm helping her search for employment centers throughout the entire metro with these kinds of industrial jobs. I figure I can end up spotting them from satellite imagery on Google but if you want to chime in and name-drop some of these employment centers and their locations to help me help her, feel free to chime in and thank you in advance! (PAGING E Rocc who'd know for sure); here are some just to throw out, no idea if they're the jobs that you're looking for; but they're industrial. lakeland boulevard, just south of 90; lincoln electric (east 222nd and st. clair). West 160th (south of puritas in cleveland); E Rocc[/member] ... Thanks for the help guys!
April 12, 20178 yr I believe most Lincoln Electric workers, or at least a good chunk of them, are now employed in Mentor. I would say the Euclid site is accessible by public transportation. I can't imagine that the industrial valley has very good access via public transportation. A good chunk of Cleveland seems to have been built around the idea that you would live within walking distance to your factory job.
April 12, 20178 yr You could also use this great tool from the census: onthemap.ces.census.gov That site is confusing. I don't know how to 'import the geography'... I don't have ArchGIS or anything like that either and I don't know if I have the resources to render those maps. How do you use that? It will literally map out industrial/manufacturing parks for me?
April 12, 20178 yr When you open the page, type cuyahoga county in the search bar. Select cuyahoga county. Click perform analysis on selection area Leave the analysis settings as-is. Click go. Turn off the point overlay (on the left) Scroll down and click 'manufacturing' (on the right. You now have a heat map of manufacturing jobs in cuyahoga county in 2014. This is a good way to find hot spots. You can do individual research from there. Hope that helps!
April 12, 20178 yr I believe most Lincoln Electric workers, or at least a good chunk of them, are now employed in Mentor. I would say the Euclid site is accessible by public transportation. I can't imagine that the industrial valley has very good access via public transportation. A good chunk of Cleveland seems to have been built around the idea that you would live within walking distance to your factory job. Right. That used to be the case but most are closed down and abandoned :(. So sad. Factories and warehouses back in the day were literally integrated within residential neighborhoods. I'm sure the pollution, noise and traffic were no fun but it wouldn't be as bad with today's EPA standards and better transportation planning and urban design. Columbus had a similar fate, though on a smaller scale. I noticed the Glenville neighborhood is a prime example of it. There's a big abandoned factory literally in the middle of a residential street. Areas in (not very distant at all) but very secluded suburbs of Columbus were zoned for light industrial uses later on; Hilliard is a prime example of this. These huge industrial parks don't even have sidewalks leading into them and even with an express bus going nearby, it tends to be a half hour of walking through unnecessarily winding (creating a longer overall distance) streets within these developments. They literally couldn't be any less pedestrian-friendly and I wouldn't be surprised if the urban designers were instructed to deter people from being able to walk and take public transit to these areas. I'm still fairly new to Cleveland but I imagine the metro area is full of similar places/circumstances. I know you guys give me crap for ragging on Cleveland but RTAs bus coverage is horrible and from what I've heard from other Clevelanders, it used to be a lot better, going into suburban and exclusionary employment centers. It would be really cool if her study's findings could actually influence transportation policy and prove the importance of matching low-skilled workers with these large employment centers who may actually be short on labor supply. She's also an accounting and marketing major so this project is also coming from an economic perspective, not just social justice-y. As difficult as it is to get to industrial parks from the inner city or anywhere else in the metro for that matter, for folks who don't drive, it may not even be worth it to take these $10 an hour jobs when it takes 2 hours each way to get there, vs. making minimum wage in their own neighborhood or simply selling drugs or however else they get by. I know that Westlake, Solon and Mayfield Hts. are non-accessible from the inner city. I consider having to take a train, then a bus or two or three buses plus walking 30 minutes - across a highway, then on a narrow winding street because there's no sidewalk - to be non-accessible. I had a transit map showing RTA coverage but then I lost it. I suppose it's on RTA's website somewhere. It's horrifying, the lack of accessibility to jobs! The whole region would do so much better if it could match these people to employers!
April 12, 20178 yr When you open the page, type cuyahoga county in the search bar. Select cuyahoga county. Click perform analysis on selection area Leave the analysis settings as-is. Click go. Turn off the point overlay (on the left) Scroll down and click 'manufacturing' (on the right. You now have a heat map of manufacturing jobs in cuyahoga county in 2014. This is a good way to find hot spots. You can do individual research from there. Hope that helps! Bless you <3
April 12, 20178 yr Right. That used to be the case but most are closed down and abandoned :(. So sad. Factories and warehouses back in the day were literally integrated within residential neighborhoods. Columbus had a similar fate, though on a smaller scale. I noticed the Glenville neighborhood is a prime example of it. Collinwood is ground zero for this. Slavic Village somewhat too. I know that Westlake, Solon and Mayfield Hts. are non-accessible from the inner city. I consider having to take a train, then a bus or two or three buses plus walking 30 minutes in a narrow winding street because there's no sidewalk, to be non-accessible. Mayfield Hts is accessible from the inner city (just need to catch any bus that runs down Mayfield Road with maybe one free transfer to get on that bus.... although I'm not sure how much industrial you are going to find there. Maybe you mean Mayfield Village (Beta Drive) and Highland Heights (Alpha Drive)
April 12, 20178 yr NOACA just a released a job hubs study---not sure if it goes into wages or not. It shows six jobs in the five-county Cleveland MSA. Talk about sprawl---the six hubs, which includes Downtown and University Circle/Cleveland Clinic area, make up only 24% of all the jobs in the region. http://www.noaca.org/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=19786
April 12, 20178 yr The #7 going out Monticello and Wilson Mills takes you you Alpha and Beta drives. The #41 on Warrensville and Aurora roads actually isn't bad for access to Solon. It's slow but frequent and much of it is 24 hours -- it's the only suburb-to-suburb bus routes I can think of. A Russian friend of mine who just moved to Cleveland (Lakewood) has commuted to her job as a nanny for a Russian family in Beachwood. She takes the Red Line to UC and the #32 bus out to near Beachwood Place mall. The train takes 27 minutes and the bus takes 27 minutes. The transfer is only 10 minutes and the walking at both ends is less than 10 each. All in all, that's not bad, considering. But it still totals a commute time of nearly 1 hour, 15 minutes each way. Thanks to America's uniquely out of control urban sprawl, it's the longest commute she's ever had in her life. So she's looking for closer jobs -- and a car. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 12, 20178 yr Right. That used to be the case but most are closed down and abandoned :(. So sad. Factories and warehouses back in the day were literally integrated within residential neighborhoods. Columbus had a similar fate, though on a smaller scale. I noticed the Glenville neighborhood is a prime example of it. Collinwood is ground zero for this. Slavic Village somewhat too. I know that Westlake, Solon and Mayfield Hts. are non-accessible from the inner city. I consider having to take a train, then a bus or two or three buses plus walking 30 minutes in a narrow winding street because there's no sidewalk, to be non-accessible. Mayfield Hts is accessible from the inner city (just need to catch any bus that runs down Mayfield Road with maybe one free transfer to get on that bus.... although I'm not sure how much industrial you are going to find there. Maybe you mean Mayfield Village (Beta Drive) and Highland Heights (Alpha Drive) I meant the office parks on the east side of the highway where Progressive and all that stuff is. Maybe it is Mayfield Village. I'm not the geography nerd I once was. The highway cutting it off definitely makes that side a lot less accessible. I had a programming gig at one of the insurance companies over there. It's obnoxious and confusing to even have to drive through! Those tape-worm shaped streets... Like most office or industrial parks I've seen, I noticed it also doesn't have sidewalks and bad connectivity. I don't know if you're suggesting that transfers are a real thing up here or suggesting it should be but if it's the former, I can tell you free transferring isnt' a reality. RTA really needs to give people transfers. All day passes are a good deal but if you just need to go somewhere one-way, to meet up with someone and have driving arrangements figured out for later, it shouldn't cost you $5. That happened to me, going from Shaker Sq. to E. 25th to meet my girlfriend at Town Hall. I had to pay an extra 2.50 to transfer to the Red line at Tower City, just to travel in the same direction for less than a mile. The trains here are great; they're clean and operate frequently and it's a nice experience but it's not reasonable to make people pay twice to switch buses or trains that are going in the exact same direction. I don't care how many awards RTA has won, there's many, very real issues that need addressed. I've been on the Health Line and seen a bunch of people get busted by transit police for not buying passes at the station (and I think the fine is $50 or something like that, or $25 then $50 - with like the third offense landing you in jail or whatever) but in a lot of those instances, people probably wouldn't get cited if free transferring were allowed like it is in other cities. There's a good chance they spent their last $2.50 on the bus that dropped them off along the Health Line. Good to know, regarding the "ground zeros." I'm not sure if I even know the precise objective of her study and what all she plans to have it entail (or if she knows at this point) but I'm sure that knowing the hardest hit areas could be very useful.
April 12, 20178 yr There are two office parks.... Alpha Drive in Highland Heights (west side of the highway) and Beta Drive in Mayfield Village (east side of the highway). KJP address public transit access to those in his post. It's been awhile since I rode an RTA bus, but I recall being able to get free transfers on the bus.
April 13, 20178 yr There are two office parks.... Alpha Drive in Highland Heights (west side of the highway) and Beta Drive in Mayfield Village (east side of the highway). KJP address public transit access to those in his post. It's been awhile since I rode an RTA bus, but I recall being able to get free transfers on the bus. The last time I rode there were no transfers, but you could buy a "day pass" for $5.
April 13, 20178 yr If you have a five-ride fare card I believe you get transfers with that, within a certain time period.
April 13, 20178 yr Not exactly but each "ride" lasts a couple hours. That gives you a chance to transfer if need be, or even make a round trip if you're quick about it.
April 13, 20178 yr If you have a five-ride fare card I believe you get transfers with that, within a certain time period. Yes, your ride comes with a 2 1/2 hour transfer window, starting from when you validate your ticket. It marks the transfer expiration time on the back
April 13, 20178 yr The last time I rode there were no transfers, but you could buy a "day pass" for $5. Day pass now is $5.50, good for unlimited travel and transfers until 3 a.m. the next day. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 14, 20178 yr Quick help? My girlfriend is working on her final project for urban studies and I'm helping her with some research. It's regarding available, higher-than-minimum-wage, low-skill factory and warehouse jobs being inaccessible by public transit. It's a topic I'm also interested in. I'm helping her search for employment centers throughout the entire metro with these kinds of industrial jobs. I figure I can end up spotting them from satellite imagery on Google but if you want to chime in and name-drop some of these employment centers and their locations to help me help her, feel free to chime in and thank you in advance! (PAGING E Rocc who'd know for sure); here are some just to throw out, no idea if they're the jobs that you're looking for; but they're industrial. lakeland boulevard, just south of 90; lincoln electric (east 222nd and st. clair). West 160th (south of puritas in cleveland); E Rocc[/member] ... Thanks for the help guys! Western Lake County. Big time. Mentor, Willoughby, and Eastlake. Solon/Twinsburg. Strongsville and Medina County. One good thing to do is something I tell job seekers to do: roll around the industrial parks on a Saturday and see where a lot of cars are parked. Those companies are having problems getting people. Most key: the issue isn't always "inaccesible" it's difficulty accessing. Technically I could take a bus from my house by Euclid Beach to my job in Mentor, but it would take three hours. Also key: the impact of CERCLA on job site locations. Lots of otherwise prime locations with infrastructure and transportation are vacant and have been for decades. People think the reasons are crime, unions, corrupt city governments, or even a desire for a "different type" of worker. None of those mean a damn thing compared to potential environmental liability. While residential sprawl has many causes, industrial sprawl is caused largely by CERCLA. Another thing to keep in mind. "Low skill" jobs have mostly moved offshore or to rural areas. That's driven largely by automation and perhaps even more so by error proofing. If you have any specific questions feel free to PM. PS: If she can find references to it, look up the plans during the early Clinton Administration to bring civil rights complaints against companies who polluted (even legally) in disproportionately minority areas, and how the big city mayors reacted to this. (Think birth of porcupines, breech presentation).
April 14, 20178 yr The convenient store in Tower City used to sell bottled Coca Cola with the labeling in Spanish. I always liked the taste better and it's sugar cane as opposed to the artificial flavors. Can anyone point me in the direction of another store that sells this specific type of Coca Cola?
April 14, 20178 yr The convenient store in Tower City used to sell bottled Coca Cola with the labeling in Spanish. I always liked the taste better and it's sugar cane as opposed to the artificial flavors. Can anyone point me in the direction of another store that sells this specific type of Coca Cola? I thought all Coca Cola bottled in Cleveland (Bedford Heights) used real cane sugar? I've heard it referred to as Kosher Coke, as it was suitable for consumption by Cleveland's Jewish population. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 14, 20178 yr The convenient store in Tower City used to sell bottled Coca Cola with the labeling in Spanish. I always liked the taste better and it's sugar cane as opposed to the artificial flavors. Can anyone point me in the direction of another store that sells this specific type of Coca Cola? I thought all Coca Cola bottled in Cleveland (Bedford Heights) used real cane sugar? I've heard it referred to as Kosher Coke, as it was suitable for consumption by Cleveland's Jewish population. Does the Dave's on W. 25th still have the "Mercado" portion? Might be able to find it there or another grocery store on the near west side.
April 14, 20178 yr ^I think that is a myth http://www.coca-colacompany.com/stories/kosher-coke-how-an-atlanta-rabbi-started-a-passover-tradition http://www.foodgoat.com/2009/10/mexican-coke-passover-coke-cleveland.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 14, 20178 yr I see it at Costco. Also there is a supermercado south of Lorain Ave on like 44th or 45th that will have it
April 14, 20178 yr La Plaza in Lakewood sells glass bottle imported coke. Most grocers will have it in their "ethnic" aisle.
April 14, 20178 yr I see it at Costco. Also there is a supermercado south of Lorain Ave on like 44th or 45th that will have it They were closed last time I checked...did they reopen? RIP Mi Pueblo.
April 15, 20178 yr ^I think that is a myth You can buy imported coke from Mexico at any Giant Eagle. However, KJP is right Cleveland Coke---the only bottling plant in the US---uses sugar and not HFCS.
April 15, 20178 yr They were closed last time I checked...did they reopen? RIP Mi Pueblo. They may have. That sucks. Last time I was in town, Heinen's downtown only had lame corporate flour tortillas made in Texas. That place had the good corn ones made in Pilsen, Chicago. And they had soda pop from every country in Latin America. The guys at Mr Alberts told us about Mi Puebla, and we biked over there. It saved the day for my Mexican friend that balked at the texas tortillas.
April 15, 20178 yr They were closed last time I checked...did they reopen? RIP Mi Pueblo. They may have. That sucks. Last time I was in town, Heinen's downtown only had lame corporate flour tortillas made in Texas. That place had the good corn ones made in Pilsen, Chicago. And they had soda pop from every country in Latin America. The guys at Mr Alberts told us about Mi Puebla, and we biked over there. It saved the day for my Mexican friend that balked at the texas tortillas. This ridiculous long list of ingredients on some tortillas is kind of worrisome. Anyhow, all isn't lost. https://www.yelp.com/biz/la-plaza-supermarket-cleveland
September 7, 20177 yr Historical location question - I'm was reading up on some old Cleveland history and came across my own Case fraternity's original history. I'm trying to pinpoint where the first two chapter houses were. The book I found written in 1903 shows the first two locations as: 1) Apartments at "Heyse Block" from 1884 - 1886 (Note: Case was located Downtown Cleveland at the time until 1885) 2) Apartments at "Fairmount Court" Intersection of Euclid Ave and Fairmount STREET from 1886 - 1891 Anyone able to help?
September 7, 20177 yr Fairmount Street is now known as East 107th Street. I have attached a cool link showing old street names before they were converted to numbers. I'm not sure about Hayse Block. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~officer/Clev1906D_F.html
September 7, 20177 yr Fairmount Street is now known as East 107th Street. I have attached a cool link showing old street names before they were converted to numbers. I'm not sure about Hayse Block. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~officer/Clev1906D_F.html Perfect. Thanks! Link is now bookmarked.
September 7, 20177 yr I found this on a search for Heyse Block Cleveland. http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/15248520/1702-W-28th-St-Cleveland-OH/
September 7, 20177 yr Historical location question - I'm was reading up on some old Cleveland history and came across my own Case fraternity's original history. I'm trying to pinpoint where the first two chapter houses were. The book I found written in 1903 shows the first two locations as: 1) Apartments at "Heyse Block" from 1884 - 1886 (Note: Case was located Downtown Cleveland at the time until 1885) 2) Apartments at "Fairmount Court" Intersection of Euclid Ave and Fairmount STREET from 1886 - 1891 Anyone able to help? I see the book and the relevant portion is mentioned at: https://books.google.com/books?id=f8sxgV8qAa4C&pg=PA834&lpg=PA834&dq=Heyse+Block,+Cleveland&source=bl&ots=3Vz-1Xz8nf&sig=qUVopxVOaUGISmoeLJkq8awzCfc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ45yI5pPWAhXp5IMKHSSsDX4Q6AEIXzAI#v=onepage&q=Heyse%20Block%2C%20Cleveland&f=false So here's a listing of the The Heyse, at 6 Fulton & 3 York in the 1903 The Cleveland Directory Company's Cleveland City Directory: https://books.google.com/books?id=Ge6X0lkoHs8C&pg=PA1453&lpg=PA1453&dq=Heyse+Block,+Cleveland&source=bl&ots=37Ng2WqftD&sig=FfvsC325Z8AwqmMVV2jHi5dM0FY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ45yI5pPWAhXp5IMKHSSsDX4Q6AEIYjAJ#v=onepage&q=Heyse%20Block%2C%20Cleveland&f=false Well, York Street became West 28th Street after 1915. I thought this might be a possible candidate: 1702 West 28 St. http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/15248520/1702-W-28th-St-Cleveland-OH/ But it was built in 1898 -- more than a decade after the time period you are referencing. Still looking...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 7, 20177 yr I found this on a search for Heyse Block Cleveland. http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/15248520/1702-W-28th-St-Cleveland-OH/ Man, you are quick to the trigger. Thanks again. Even through Case first started on Rockwell Street Downtown, it makes sense the first chapter house could be across the river, predating the building shown in your link. EDIT: Thanks KJP! That was exactly what I was reading. I do love having a team of expert researchers at my finger tips with response times of under 5 min ... :-D
September 7, 20177 yr I also see a catering business called Heyse's at 10408 Euclid Ave., but this is in 1915: https://books.google.com/books?id=yQpJAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1859&lpg=PA1859&dq=Heyse+Block,+Cleveland&source=bl&ots=OImlUoVWvn&sig=XBPMJIWZiBp1Sn2KBylIZVnpQ-A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSsIvo6ZPWAhXq7YMKHUv4Axc4ChDoAQgvMAI#v=onepage&q=Heyse%20Block%2C%20Cleveland&f=false "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 7, 20177 yr I have a little free time right now and I love this type of "research." Thanks again. I keep finding myself getting pulled into older Cleveland history as well. In this case, I was reading up on some CWRU history this part week, focusing up on some under represented, interesting people (which eventually lead me to my question here). A couple interesting facts I came across was Leonard Case, Jr was also founder of the Scroll and Key secret society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Case,_Jr. And university President Carroll Cutler was a member of the infamous Skull and Bones secret society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Cutler Of course I added it to both their Wikipedia pages. ------ Actually one more question for you all: First Mayor John. W. Willey was buried at Erie Street Cemetery, but multiple references say his remains were moved to Lake View Cemetery. But when you go to the Lake View Cemetery directory, there is no reference of him being there. Is there a grave or marker for John W. Willey in Lake View Cemetery ?
September 7, 20177 yr Was Case Institute of Technology (originally the Case School of Applied Science) originally located downtown? This history says Case opened in 1880 in UC..... Case Western Reserve University traces its roots to Western Reserve College, founded in Hudson, Ohio in 1826. Industrialist Amasa Stone financed the college’s move to Cleveland’s University Circle in 1880 - the same year that the Case School of Applied Science opened next door. https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/37 And Case's own history (http://casemed.case.edu/dept/neurology/History.htm) shows that Case Main (pictured below when construction was wrapping up) opened in 1886 at UC, next to Western Reserve. Given that the business district at Doan's Corners was the only major commercial/residential district in that area at that time, it is possible that the Heyse's catering business at 10408 Euclid had apartments at/above it? EDIT: I've seen several pictures of this building at Case and every one of them looks different, as if it's not the same building or was substantially altered. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 8, 20177 yr Was Case Institute of Technology (originally the Case School of Applied Science) originally located downtown? This history says Case opened in 1880 in UC..... Case Western Reserve University traces its roots to Western Reserve College, founded in Hudson, Ohio in 1826. Industrialist Amasa Stone financed the college’s move to Cleveland’s University Circle in 1880 - the same year that the Case School of Applied Science opened next door. https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/37 Thanks KJP. 1) The info in the link is incorrect (c'mon Clevelandhistorical.org!). Case School of Applied Science was operating out of the Case homestead from 1881 - 1885 on Rockwell Ave: https://books.google.com/books?id=uxy_zxXFVGkC&pg=PT18&lpg=PT18&dq=leonard+case+house+rockwell&source=bl&ots=valv6jhb54&sig=wKxybJJBKzz5CsafEiYfLdFnCqQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjL7rys7ZXWAhVL94MKHX_5Do8Q6AEIPDAG#v=onepage&q=leonard%20case%20house%20rockwell&f=false Case school moved to University Circle upon the completion of Case Main building. 2) These are in fact two different buildings (see attached for their respective locations). - The first image, labeled "Adelbert Collage" in my attachment, is still standing (which is CWRU's present day administration building). - The second image, Case Main building, was demolished in 1972. (architect John Eisenmann)
September 8, 20177 yr Yep, Murray Hill is correct, the Case School of Applied Science was originally downtown as was University Hospitals (founded 1866 as Wilson Street Hospital -- following a meeting of med leaders at Old Stone Church -- then Cleveland City Hospital)... I believe when Leonard Case, Jr. founded Case School, it was only the 4th free standing engineering school in the country behind MIT, Worcester Poly and Stevens Institute of Tech in New Jersey...
September 8, 20177 yr Yep, Murray Hill is correct, the Case School of Applied Science was originally downtown as was University Hospitals (founded 1866 as Wilson Street Hospital -- following a meeting of med leaders at Old Stone Church -- then Cleveland City Hospital)... I believe when Leonard Case, Jr. founded Case School, it was only the 4th free standing engineering school in the country behind MIT, Worcester Poly and Stevens Institute of Tech in New Jersey... Yes, and it was the first technical college west of the Appalachian Mountains. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 28, 20177 yr Did anyone hear the Fighter Jets downtown? I happened to be walking outside of CSU to classes, and something loud flew over my head... couldn't have been a commercial plane. I was also sitting in the business building about an hour later, and there was some loud rumbling going on outside for quite a while. Does anyone have any knowabouts of why they're here and what type f-16, f-15, f-18?
September 28, 20177 yr Did anyone hear the Fighter Jets downtown? I happened to be walking outside of CSU to classes, and something loud flew over my head... couldn't have been a commercial plane. I was also sitting in the business building about an hour later, and there was some loud rumbling going on outside for quite a while. Does anyone have any knowabouts of why they're here and what type f-16, f-15, f-18? I saw three of them swoop over downtown. Two of them appeared very close together. Not sure what type though, they were gone in a flash.
September 28, 20177 yr Those were F18 Hornets. As soon as I saw them fly by my TV went into some weird test mode for about 3min. My screen just turned blue with the words "Test Mode". I called a buddy who was driving and he said his Sirius XM radio shut off at exactly the same time.....It was very strange.
September 28, 20177 yr At what time of day was this? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 28, 20177 yr I was about to say electronic warfare. But for what purpose? A test? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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