^Care tire.

 

Additionally, now that I have a bike that I'll use to commute, does it mean I get to be really smug about it? Can I scream at people to obey the laws of traffic and then completely disregard them when it's to my advantage?

 

Be careful. You'll learn pretty quickly where you're in the most danger. I've found cars turning right on a red light without stopping is probably the most common issue. Also, people blaring their horn at you, for absolutely no reason at all.

 

If the first one is the biggest danger that you're facing then part of the problem is you aren't following the rules of the road, or good cycling etiquette.  You should be in the travel lane which means the cars in the turn lane wouldn't be able to turn in front of and cut you off, and you should be stopping at red lights, which makes them taking right turns on red moot even if they are on your left for some legit reason, like you being in a bike lane.

 

I'm all for vehicular cycling, but you have to follow the rules if you do.  And that is actually the safest way to ride.

^Care tire.

 

Additionally, now that I have a bike that I'll use to commute, does it mean I get to be really smug about it? Can I scream at people to obey the laws of traffic and then completely disregard them when it's to my advantage?

 

Be careful. You'll learn pretty quickly where you're in the most danger. I've found cars turning right on a red light without stopping is probably the most common issue. Also, people blaring their horn at you, for absolutely no reason at all.

 

If the first one is the biggest danger that you're facing then part of the problem is you aren't following the rules of the road, or good cycling etiquette.  You should be in the travel lane which means the cars in the turn lane wouldn't be able to turn in front of and cut you off, and you should be stopping at red lights, which makes them taking right turns on red moot even if they are on your left for some legit reason, like you being in a bike lane.

 

I'm all for vehicular cycling, but you have to follow the rules if you do.  And that is actually the safest way to ride.

 

I'm talking about cars speeding by you on your right, when you're stopped and waiting at the light.

 

Following the rules of the road can still get you killed.

 

 

The Tavern Club:

https://case.edu/ech/articles/t/tavern-club/

 

My guess it is still a men's club for 50yr+ men who work in law, real estate, medicine, and business, to shoot the shit, give each other advice in their area of expertises, a place to watch sports games,etc. Anyone have more details about it? Based on the upkeep of the building, I'm still they're not hurting for $.

^Not 50+... They host an international squash tournament every year, as well as a black tie, golden gloves boxing event.

 

 

 

Guys, I am going to the draft party tonight at muni lot. How the heck do I get to muni lot on foot? I honestly have no idea. Is there a pedestrian path from E. 9th near where it goes over the shoreway? Near the freeway onramp?

^ There is a walking path just North of the North Point garage on east 9th Street.

Great, thanks.

This is why we need more bridges connecting the waterfront to the rest of Cleveland...

 

After using that walking path last night, I'm still a little confused. I've never actually tailgated at Muni Lot, the handful I've times I've tailgated it's been at the Port Authority lots.

 

On gamedays, do they actually have thousands of fans squeeze through that 6 foot wide walking path between a freeway ramp and a parking garage to make their way to the stadium? How does that even work?

After using that walking path last night, I'm still a little confused. I've never actually tailgated at Muni Lot, the handful I've times I've tailgated it's been at the Port Authority lots.

 

On gamedays, do they actually have thousands of fans squeeze through that 6 foot wide walking path between a freeway ramp and a parking garage to make their way to the stadium? How does that even work?

 

Yes they do, and it's drunken and glorious.

 

I've been to:

 

- Heinz Field

- The Grove at Ole Miss

- Paul Brown Stadium

- New Era Stadium

- Happy Valley

- Sanford Stadium at Georiga

- Death Valley (LSU)

- Ohio Stadium

- Notre Dame

- Virginia Tech.

 

I cannot overstate what a unique gameday experience the muni lot is. Granted it was weakened significantly by year's end last season... but at the beginning of the year, it's one of the most unique and massive fan experience the muni lot is. Only thing I've ever seen that comes close is the Grove at Ole Miss

After using that walking path last night, I'm still a little confused. I've never actually tailgated at Muni Lot, the handful I've times I've tailgated it's been at the Port Authority lots.

 

On gamedays, do they actually have thousands of fans squeeze through that 6 foot wide walking path between a freeway ramp and a parking garage to make their way to the stadium? How does that even work?

 

Yes they do, and it's drunken and glorious.

 

I've been to:

 

- Heinz Field

- The Grove at Ole Miss

- Paul Brown Stadium

- New Era Stadium

- Happy Valley

- Sanford Stadium at Georiga

- Death Valley (LSU)

- Ohio Stadium

- Notre Dame

- Virginia Tech.

 

I cannot overstate what a unique gameday experience the muni lot is. Granted it was weakened significantly by year's end last season... but at the beginning of the year, it's one of the most unique and massive fan experience the muni lot is. Only thing I've ever seen that comes close is the Grove at Ole Miss

 

From what I understand, Mustard Field has designated "tailgate" areas which are not proximate to the parked vehicles.  That's not tailgating, it's picnicing.  Buffalo Rich Stadium wasn't bad and I've heard good things about Ohio State.

 

They just don't have a designated iconic spot like Muni.

Anybody know where I can find millage rates for Cuyahoga County property taxes?

 

This page (https://treasurer.cuyahogacounty.us/en-us/community-tax-rates.aspx) has the total rates for each jurisdiction, but really I am looking for how much goes to schools, cities, libraries, etc for each jurisdiction. Been looking for like 15 minutes and it's kind of driving me bonkers.

Can anybody hook a brotha up with a map of where the towpath (as currently completed) will lead me heading South out of Tremont.

 

Thanks!

Hey all,

 

Does anyone have a picture of the trading floor of KeyBanc Capital Markets in Key Tower??? I’ve heard it’s huge and I wasn’t aware it really even existed.

Relocating back to CLE next month.

 

Is there a combinable Cleveland institution membership discount option available?

 

For example, I'm looking to get annual family passes to the Great Lakes Science Center, Cleveland Museum of Natural History, Cleveland Metroparks Zoo, etc.

 

 

Not really :( but there is a pass for University Circle institutions:

http://www.universitycircle.org/visit/circlepass-attraction-ticket

Relocating back to CLE next month.

 

Is there a combinable Cleveland institution membership discount option available?

 

For example, I'm looking to get annual family passes to the Great Lakes Science Center, Cleveland Museum of Natural History, Cleveland Metroparks Zoo, etc.

 

The Great Lakes Science Center and the Cleveland Museum of Natural History are two of about 75-100 science-related museums natonwide one could visit  for free when being a member of one of the museums on the list, with the exception that if you cannot visit another museum within 90 miles of your 'home' institution of which you are a member.  In other words, if you join the Natural History museum, you can visit similar museums nationwide, but NOT the science museum downtown. If your home museum is in NYC, then you can visit both for free.

 

http://greatscience.com/members/museum-reciprocity

http://www.astc.org/passport/

 

Relocating back to CLE next month.

 

Is there a combinable Cleveland institution membership discount option available?

 

For example, I'm looking to get annual family passes to the Great Lakes Science Center, Cleveland Museum of Natural History, Cleveland Metroparks Zoo, etc.

Welcome home!

^ Much thanks Punch; it's certainly been a while for me. 

 

 

Not really :( but there is a pass for University Circle institutions:

http://www.universitycircle.org/visit/circlepass-attraction-ticket

 

Good to know about the combinable discount.  I was not aware.

 

 

The Great Lakes Science Center and the Cleveland Museum of Natural History are two of about 75-100 science-related museums natonwide one could visit  for free when being a member of one of the museums on the list, with the exception that if you cannot visit another museum within 90 miles of your 'home' institution of which you are a member.  In other words, if you join the Natural History museum, you can visit similar museums nationwide, but NOT the science museum downtown. If your home museum is in NYC, then you can visit both for free.

 

http://greatscience.com/members/museum-reciprocity

http://www.astc.org/passport/

 

 

Fantastic info.  For as much as we travel, I will definitely be using this all over the country.  Had no idea about this agreement

 

But now I'm a little torn.  If I understand the reciprocity correctly, right now I could go locally to the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (OMSI), buy a family membership and then use it to get in free to both the Cleveland Natural History Museum and Great Lakes Science Center.  HOWEVER, I do want to support the Cleveland institutions, so I'll plan on buying my memberships in NEO.

^That's good. Yeah, I learned the hard way. Am a member of the Natural History Museum and went to the Science Center thinking it was free---showed by Natural History Museum card, only to get denied by the 90-mile rule!  Looking at the list, there are institutions outside the US as well.

Has anyone who's used the UH bike hubs tell me if you can use 1 account to simultaneously rent 2 bikes?

 

If not, does the Cleveland Bike Rack do hourly rentals? It shows up in a maps search for bike rental and Ohio City bike coop linked to them as a source for rentals since they only rent long term. But the Bike Rack website looks outdated and doesn't indicate that they rent.

Has anyone who's used the UH bike hubs tell me if you can use 1 account to simultaneously rent 2 bikes?

 

I'm 95% sure, yes.

Hey guys,

 

Fiance and I are opening a joint bank account (DUN-DUN-DUN), any suggestions on what bank to use?

 

I've already had terrible headaches with PNC, and she already has a Chase account so we'll bump those two off the list.

^ I like Key Bank.

ditto on Key Bank

I always try to support local companies. Key is the only major Cleveland bank left after National City was GIVEN to PNC. PNC is Pittsburgh, Chase is NY and is absolutely one of the worst banks around, 5/3 is Cincinnati, Huntington is Columbus. If you like smaller banks, First Federal of Lakewood may be okay. They're local, but small. I have Key and I like them.

Hey guys,

 

Fiance and I are opening a joint bank account (DUN-DUN-DUN), any suggestions on what bank to use?

 

I've already had terrible headaches with PNC, and she already has a Chase account so we'll bump those two off the list.

 

I've been with Huntington for years--they've always taken good care of me and the online experience/mobile app is quite good.

Ditto on Huntington. We switched to them after some very poor customer service from Key a few years ago

A question for the board's resident Cleveland history experts. I'm doing some research on the West Bank of the Flats. Wondering about the history of the Nautica area. I can see it was the site of B&O rail tracks (adjacent to sycamore st. slip/docks) for a long time (hence the current jacknife bridge still standing near the Jacobs Pavilion) and I know that Nautica opened around the late 80s. Trying to figure out exactly when the railroad/railyard left the area and how long it was vacant before Nautica. Looking through the historical PD database now but having trouble coming up with good search keywords. If anyone has any clues to help me in my research please let me know.

Nautica, B&O, Powerhouse, any of the street names down there, "Flats history", "Flats west bank"

 

Try looking at old Sanborn maps and searching some of the names/things you see there.

Sanborns show the old setup - it was known sometimes as the "sycamore docks" and had a direct connection from river/lake to the B&O (later C&O or Chessie) via the jacknife/bascule bridge (#463, reconstructed in 1956 so they only got maybe 15 or 20 years of use out of it). Jeff Jacobs bought the Powerhouse in 1983 or 1984 and christened his development "Nautica" in 1985. He bought the Coast Guard Station a few years later and Shooters went in.

 

Nobody at the PD ever apparently found it interesting enough to write an article about the land that would become the parking lots, so no info about when the railroad abandoned the area... and how that land ended up in Jacobs' hands.

 

Slide #22 here is exactly what I'm talking about: http://canalwaypartners.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/canal-basin-history-presentation.pdf

 

"By By 1970, B&O Railroad is consolidated with several other lines and the connection near Merwin Street is eventually abandoned." I'm just looking for a bit more detail on exactly that.

 

Will keep looking.

I'm pretty sure the B&O line was abandoned about 1982. The reason why I remember that is because I rode the Cuyahoga Valley Line in August 1981 behind the steam locomotive 4070. We had to get from Akron back to the Cleveland roundhouse at West 3rd because there was a large ore train due to come out of Cleveland. B&O ore trains came out of the ore docks on Whiskey Island. B&O was doing a lot of track abandonments in NE Ohio that summer, including the Painesville-Warren line following the passage of railroad deregulation in 1980 that allowed railroads to more easily abandon routes.

Thanks, KJP[/member]. I think I just found an article that proves it was open as of 1978. Interesting piece of history here. Still having a hard time finding news of the abandonment but I'm determined to find it now...

 

The pictures in the pdf you posted credit the images on page 22 to B&O HS.  So I looked that up and got this: http://borhs.org/  looks like there's some stuff there.

Mu2010, that's a very interesting article. I was not aware that it was ever a city-owned right of way, or that the city would get the land back if the railroad stopped using it. Chessie's successor, CSX, doesn't use the rail right of way north of I-490. There is still track on the ROW from I-490 to just below Tower City. I'll have to do some more precise measurements, but it seems like 2.5 miles gets us to just north of I-490.

KJP[/member] - found another article from 1988 that tells the second half of that story. The city sued in 1986 to get the land back. The city said CSX had abandoned and CSX said they didn't. So that's why there was no news article - CSX was trying to get abandon it secretly.

 

The article says the two parties settled and the deal was that the city didn't get all the land back, they settled for just the section from Merwin to Columbus, aka future canal basin park.

 

CSX must have quietly sold the West Bank to Nautica.

 

So I think you were exactly right about 1982 being the date of closure. Interestingly, there are articles from that summer about Chessie abandoning the Painesville-Warren section you mentioned but nothing about the Flats - it was probably hush-hush due to this deal with the City.

1984:

 

 

1986:

 

Wow that brings back memories. Im pretty sure I still have the hard copy clipping of that 1986 article somewhere in my files. It shows the early origins of the Waterfront Line that was intended to be only a special event and weekends-only trolley. Then Mike White and Ron Tober got their hands on it.

 

EDIT: the blue line approximately represents the 2.5 miles of formerly city-owned right of way that was sold to B&O/Chessie System, since transferred to CSX, and all can revert back to city ownership once CSX ceases to use it. To my knowledge, CSX doesn't use any of this blue portion. CSX doesn't use the rail lines under the I-490 bridge, including the movable rail bridge over the river. But the rail line that splits off to the east and stays east of the river along Independence Road to service the steel mills and Zaclon chemical. Its likely that ArcelorMittal's Cleveland Works Railroad (aka "The Crow") uses these tracks, not CSX. And I'm pretty sure whoever is using these tracks doesn't venture into the blue portion much if at all.

 

B&O-cityowned-row by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr

Could this right of way be used to bring the CVSR downtown?

^^ by the way, the reason the blue line came to be city owned is because it is essentially the path of the final 2.5 miles of the Ohio and Erie Canal. When the canal was abandoned the city leased it to the Valley Railroad which became part of the B&O.

 

Another fun fact I've learned is that present day sycamore slip used to be the "sycamore street canal" all the way through to where the current jackknife bridge is behind the Nautica pavilion, aligning with the end of the O&E canal.

Could this right of way be used to bring the CVSR downtown?

 

Several studies by and for CVSR have showed this is the best route for bringing CVSR downtown.

BTW, is there a big convention in town this week/weekend? Saw a sh!t-ton of out-of-state cars along the Shoreway/Clifton on my home from work.

Does anyone know a place downtown where I can get a key replicated?

CVS might

 

Duplicated? ;)

CVS might

 

Duplicated? ;)

 

Lol. CLONED

Sutton Hardware maybe? 38 or so and Prospect

 

^don't click on their site--looks like it might have been hacked.  But here's the info from google for sutton hardware:

 

Spacious store, founded in 1945, providing hardware & tool rental, plus key, glass & screen cutting.

Address: 3848 Prospect Ave E, Cleveland, OH 44115

Hours:

Open ⋅ Closes 5:30PM

Phone: (216) 696-8340

Maybe one of the marine stores? West Marine on St. Clair or Samsel Supply in the Flats.

Does anyone know a place downtown where I can get a key replicated?

 

If you don't need it right away, there's an app that lets you take a picture of your key and then they mail a copy to you.

I wouldn't want the tumbler configuration of the physical locks for my house on a database.  Key copying machines have no memory, and that's a good thing!