January 17, 201114 yr Wonder Bar and Chinato have condo's on top. Dredger's Union is apartments. La Strada's building is part of a larger parking garage.
January 17, 201114 yr Author ^ Thanks a lot, thats what I thought but I wasn't sure. No clue about La Strada though. Thanks again. I always wonder if they would be able to move the valet parking entrance to prospect to allow them to close that side of east 4th off to traffic completely and eventually do a possible infill with another retail spot and apartments or condos above.
January 17, 201114 yr Author Whats the best small urban towns near Cleveland? Ohio sure has a lot of them so I was wondering what were the best ones by Cleveland? I might want to go check a few out.
January 17, 201114 yr Chagrin Falls and Medina, IMO. Burton has some charm and the Amish influence forces it to have some level of walkability, but it is not urban at all. Geneva is another good one.
January 17, 201114 yr I would add Hudson to the list...it has become even more "small town urban" the past few years. If you lived in the center of town you could probably actually survive without a car, although not of course practical. Same with Chagrin Falls.
January 17, 201114 yr Garrettsville, Oberlin... Cuyahoga Falls and Barberton are a little bigger but might still count. Practically any county seat in the surrounding counties, like Ravenna.
January 18, 201114 yr Willoughby is a very cool suburb. To me, it doesn't have the separation from the rest of the metro to fall within the category I think CO is asking for. If it does, then we might as well start mentioning CH, SH, Lakewood, etc.
January 18, 201114 yr Author Willoughby is a very cool suburb. To me, it doesn't have the separation from the rest of the metro to fall within the category I think CO is asking for. If it does, then we might as well start mentioning CH, SH, Lakewood, etc. Yeah I basically grew up over there so I wouldn't count it, definitely a nice area but it lacks a square which I like. Of the ones listed, what ones have the best small shops, most lively, and best looking?
January 18, 201114 yr I'm a big fan of Oberlin. Top notch campus buildings on top of the small town charm. And because of the students and campus visitors, pretty lively.
January 18, 201114 yr Sounds like Medina is what you are looking for. Great square. Very picturesque. Burton too. Chardon as well. Chagrin Falls is more like a strip, than a square and I'm sure you've been ther many times growing up on the east side. While its not urban at all, you may also want to look into Middlefield..... great little Amish shops at the center and on Navoo Rd
January 18, 201114 yr Author Yeah Chagrin Falls is a nice place, they do have that triangle park in the middle which I like. Thats something that Downtown Willoughby lacks. And Chagrin Falls has the falls of course which is nice. Does Medina have nice shops like Chagrin Falls like bookstores, icecream shop, etc? I think I might take a trip out there when the weather warms up.
January 18, 201114 yr Chagrin is not a strip! Its a triangle! Chagrin is probably the nicest but kind of uppity. I drove through Ravenna last week (while I was lost) and it looked pretty neat and I wouldn't mind checking it out sometime. This topic interests me as well, I have been meaning to check out more of these small towns. I really want to get to Oberlin.
January 18, 201114 yr Author Chardons downtown is actually looks really nice too. Ive actually never been there, ive been to the city a lot though for football games and things but never to the downtown. Ill probably check that out too.
January 18, 201114 yr Yeah Chagrin Falls is a nice place, they do have that triangle park in the middle which I like. Thats something that Downtown Willoughby lacks. You mean like this triangular park? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Willoughby,+OH&sll=41.638293,-81.461133&sspn=0.002133,0.013089&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Willoughby,+Lake,+Ohio&ll=41.638872,-81.40683&spn=0.001379,0.003272&t=h&z=18 I drove through Ravenna last week (while I was lost) and it looked pretty neat and I wouldn't mind checking it out sometime. I grew up in Ravenna, it seems to have gone downhill since I was a kid, but it's still a fairly nice town.
January 18, 201114 yr Author Downtown willoughbys park isnt really surrounded by the buildings like chagrin falls
January 27, 201114 yr Author I have a question but didn't want to bring back an old project thread and get people excited over nothing. It's about the lakefront development projects on the land north if the Browns stadium. I was wondering what the planned heights of the buildings where. I know the plans weren't extremly planned out but I was wondering if there was still any general idea on height. I know on Burke airport land there is a limit on how high you would be able to build and I was wondering if there was any difference with the land by the stadium. Aren't they both landfill essentially?
January 27, 201114 yr ^I could be wrong, but I think the plan was for most to be 2 or 3 stories tall.
January 27, 201114 yr Aren't they both landfill essentially? Not sure about the building heights, but on the landfill question, everything from the railroad tracks northward is landfill. This is from the foot of Erie Street (East 9th) in the 1890s. The building in the center of the photo is the old Lakeside Hospital, which the Cleveland Press razed for its offices/printing plant in the 1950s and is now the North Point office complex.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 1, 201114 yr Author ^Thanks for the picture KJP. What exactly is the land between the Shaker Boulevards east of Warrensville Center Road? Would it be possible to build a transit oriented neighborhood with condos, apartments, or townhouses along the tracks and possibly add another stop there so they can easily walk to the train? It appears to be a good amount of valuable wasted land, unless its a park, but it doesn't look that way and still.
February 13, 201114 yr Author What are these crazy looking houses? They have a nice view. Anything else being built there? http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.488585,-81.725004&spn=0.001969,0.006866&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.48844,-81.723978&panoid=ulS732g5i2OEPYTQzQ4ZxQ&cbp=12,66.26,,0,-3.44
February 13, 201114 yr What are these crazy looking houses? They have a nice view. Anything else being built there? http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.488585,-81.725004&spn=0.001969,0.006866&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.48844,-81.723978&panoid=ulS732g5i2OEPYTQzQ4ZxQ&cbp=12,66.26,,0,-3.44 http://www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf/2008/08/robert_maschke_house_in_clevel.html
February 19, 201114 yr Author I was looking at googlemaps and found this large amount of empty land? What was there before and are there currently any plans for the site? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Cleveland&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.352165,78.925781&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Cleveland,+Cuyahoga,+Ohio&ll=41.475242,-81.760554&spn=0.007765,0.019269&t=h&z=16
February 19, 201114 yr There was a factory (or two) there before, and that site is one I often think of as a better location for the kind of stuff they want to put along Euclid Ave.
February 21, 201114 yr I was looking at googlemaps and found this large amount of empty land? What was there before and are there currently any plans for the site? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Cleveland&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.352165,78.925781&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Cleveland,+Cuyahoga,+Ohio&ll=41.475242,-81.760554&spn=0.007765,0.019269&t=h&z=16 That was Midland Steel Products. They were still in operation when I moved to the Gold Coast in Lakewood in 1996. When the plant closed, the plant was demolished, the site cleaned and now the land is for sale.... http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/15765655/10615-Madison-Ave-Cleveland-OH/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 21, 201114 yr Author Thanks! Wow thats some cheap land, $80 per acre for a lot with 22 acres. Thats close to like $1,750 for the entire site, correct?
February 21, 201114 yr How hard would it be to have it rezoned into another purpose like residential?
February 21, 201114 yr Not as hard as it would be to secure the financing to build residential on that lot.
February 21, 201114 yr Yeah this is in the middle of an industrial strip that goes all the way to the airport. Not a good location for new residential.
February 21, 201114 yr Yeah this is in the middle of an industrial strip that goes all the way to the airport. Not a good location for new residential. Wait.....that land has a ton of adjacent residential. And the west side borders the W117 rapid and the Lakewood border??
February 21, 201114 yr Author Yeah it is very close to two rapid stations, downtown, grocery store, beach, highway, etc. It is half surrounded by industrial though
February 21, 201114 yr Plenty of residential in that area already. There are some great town homes along that stretch of Madison. I guess you could concievably put more residential as a continuation of the neighborhoods to the east, if the site is acceptable to build residential on. The site is sort of pinned by the railroad and the indstrial buildings, that underpass on Madison that would be the direct shot to the rapid station is pretty unfriendly IMHO. I think that I would tend to agree that the best bang for the buck at a sight like that would be some sort of large institutional building (hospital, agency adminstrative building, etc) that employeed several hundred people. It would act as a buffer for the residential to the east to the industrial and hopefully give the places along Madison a shot in the arm with lunch/dinner business.
February 21, 201114 yr It's not the worst imaginable site... but I think the amount of industry already there makes it a lot better suited for more industry. Neighborhoods adjacent to factories are usually a little rough and this one is no exception.
February 21, 201114 yr I was thinking of this for TOD also, but the hangup might be how to access that train station platform at 117TH, when you would have the Amtrak and CSX tracks in between. Maybe tunnel underground and come up via a rear entrance on the first floor of that building which is already built into the hill....?
February 21, 201114 yr That's NS-owned, not CSX. Although CSX has trackage rights over it, they don't have any regularly scheduled trains on it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 22, 201114 yr That's NS-owned, not CSX. Although CSX has trackage rights over it, they don't have any regularly scheduled trains on it. Yeah I was thinking there should be a better way to connect to the Rapid from that lot, rather than walking down Madison. Guys, we're gonna have to resolve this issue if we're going to court investors for our massive TOD.
February 22, 201114 yr "That was Midland Steel Products. They were still in operation when I moved to the Gold Coast in Lakewood in 1996. When the plant closed, the plant was demolished, the site cleaned and now the land is for sale.... http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/15765655/10615-Madison-Ave-Cleveland-OH/" Looking at that Loopnet listing, it says the land if off-market. What does that mean? It appears the land if for sale, but then it says off-market. Not sure what to make of it. There is no phone number, so who should be contacted to purchase?
February 23, 201114 yr "That was Midland Steel Products. They were still in operation when I moved to the Gold Coast in Lakewood in 1996. When the plant closed, the plant was demolished, the site cleaned and now the land is for sale.... http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/15765655/10615-Madison-Ave-Cleveland-OH/" Looking at that Loopnet listing, it says the land if off-market. What does that mean? It appears the land if for sale, but then it says off-market. Not sure what to make of it. There is no phone number, so who should be contacted to purchase? I would appreciate it if someone could answer my question. If the land is for sale, what does off-market mean. And I'm trying to find a phone number to call, because I know a couple people who might be interested in some land. Thank you in advance for any information.
February 23, 201114 yr I intended to give my 2 cents earlier but the $80/acre should be a giant red flag that it's part of a landbank/redevelopment program. Sure enough it's owned by the City of Cleveland. I imagine they're dangling it in front of companies in various packages to lure companies to the city. http://auditor.cuyahogacounty.us/REPI/General.asp (paste 005-05-001 into parcel number field) PRIMARY OWNER CLEVELAND, CITY OF PROPERTY ADDRESS 10615 Madison Ave, Cleveland, OH 44102 TAX MAILING ADDRESS CITY of CLEVELAND, 601 LAKESIDE AVE, CLEVELAND, OH 44113 LEGAL DESCRIPTION 8 W 110 TO W 106 PROPERTY CLASS LAND REUTILIZATION (LAND BANKS)
February 24, 201114 yr I don't understand, does that imply it is only for sale to certain entities? You or I couldn't still purchase it if we wanted?
February 24, 201114 yr Pretty much; they're not going to let you buy it for a couple grand and then turn around and sell it for more which you very obviously could. They also probably wouldn't sell it to someone whose business plan was to set up a hotdog/snowcone stand at the corner of Berea and Madison. So logically there are restrictions. What those are exactly is beyond me.
February 24, 201114 yr Author What is the demographics of Little Italy? How many Italians? Age groups? Race? Ethnicity? Aren't there a lot of college kids who live there now?
February 27, 201114 yr Author Im not sure if this has been this way for awhile or what but I drove by the 8 story building next to channel 5 and it looks like the inside has been completely stripped? Is this new or has this been like this for years?
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