Who lives here? They look like they would be expensive. Not in the best area. Some are designed better than others.

 

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.51198,-81.64883&spn=0.00194,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.51198,-81.648675&panoid=q4tUFCXvluoWvFBEt9kFBA&cbp=12,157.48,,0,-0.72

http://tinyurl.com/4g3jzgw

 

 

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.511992,-81.647354&spn=0.00194,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.511988,-81.647426&panoid=VDjJwXxrtoWjFNQCFRQQCQ&cbp=12,208.76,,0,-4.63

http://tinyurl.com/4ewqxlb

 

 

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.507979,-81.646947&spn=0.00194,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.507904,-81.646949&panoid=S5D6P2cBgPdLGN45_n3VVA&cbp=12,79.5,,0,-5.54

http://tinyurl.com/4qjl5zf

 

 

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.511787,-81.644489&spn=0.00194,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.511787,-81.644489&panoid=sRUBPYUG5w1L0z8gaMAwtQ&cbp=12,265.67,,0,-11.35

http://tinyurl.com/4mjfyye

 

 

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.507629,-81.639555&spn=0.00194,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.507726,-81.639554&panoid=L6agCE0QpPjJhiwoKvwPxw&cbp=12,273.71,,1,-7.29

http://tinyurl.com/4b6fxeq

 

Those are the homes on the side streets off Chester, no?  Those were built in the 1990's and 2000's I believe.  I also believe the occupants are diverse.  At least some are low to moderate income families who obtained the homes through governmental programs.  Judging from the the cars parked in the some of the driveways, others are owned by upper class folk who want to live closer to work..... doctors from the Clinic/UH I always assumed. 

Im not seeing that bad of cars in most of the driveways though. The east side has been devastated so badly that it is actually giving us an opportunity to rebuild. But the city needs to come up with a plan. Some streets like Linwood are nicer with what I believe better designed houses with a decent density. But then other houses on different streets are on huge lots. And I think some of these houses could be more recent which is a good thing. I see some houses on aerial view that dont exist in Street View.

I'm just recalling what I remember hearing from years ago.  Maybe they were built with HUD money or something along those lines, which usually carries with it some conditions for low to moderate income families.  It wouldn't be much, or the juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze for the devlopers.  The Bluestone loft building in Cleveland Hts, for instance, took some HUD money and carries with it a condition that 3 of the units are sold to such families.

I used to think these were just along Chester, but working in Hough a lot this summer, I discovered just how many of them had been built throughout the neighborhood.  Most of them look like a blatant attempt to recreate Solon.  C-razy. 

A couple other streets look more like lower income family homes due to the less expensive materials and designs.

 

East 70th is a perfect example of the poorly designed streets.

 

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=41.50734,-81.640837&spn=0.00194,0.004812&z=18

http://tinyurl.com/4zxrzav

 

 

Between East 73rd and 77th seem to have expensive houses.

 

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=41.510032,-81.636132&spn=0.00194,0.004812&z=18

http://tinyurl.com/4clzavc

 

 

And like I said before Linwood seems to have pretty nice design and density(Zoom out one)

 

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=41.511733,-81.648199&spn=0.00097,0.002406&z=19

http://tinyurl.com/4px5fgb

 

 

And I think these one are low income houses(Which are pretty nice considering, better than most suburban houses)

 

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&cbll=41.493492,-81.662089&panoid=4Xfb1xRq6RveLsGVorNI5A&cbp=12,33.05,,0,2.19&ll=41.493492,-81.662089&spn=0.003881,0.009624&z=17

 

http://tinyurl.com/4w4mqjy

 

I had no idea where to put this but I was looking at Seattle and I thought it would be cool to see something like this in the warehouse district

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/43k9hol

 

^That is some impressive tree canopy for that kind of environment!  I'm assuming you're referring to the trees and median, not the Quiznos, right?

^ Nope, definitely the Quiznos, we need one of those downtown. :-P

 

But yeah, the trees in the median. It creates such a cool environment and I think breaks the street up a little and makes it more pedestrian friendly.

 

 

I had no idea where to put this but I was looking at Seattle and I thought it would be cool to see something like this in the warehouse district

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/43k9hol

 

I love the canopies as well ! A portion of Main Street in downtown Akron also has a trees in its medians although IIRC, it's 3 lanes each way.

everywhere has trees that canopy aside from cleveland it seems. Somewhere along the line someone became obsessed with the honey locust in this town.

^I hear that, though I think they're particularly salt, wind and disease resistant, so at least they do pretty well.  Someone should definitely check in with all the Euclid Corridor trees in a few years to see which of those species worked best- hopefully elms are fully back on the street tree menu.

yeah, I know its not 'that easy'... but seriously there has GOT to be another tree that survives harsh winters that grows taller than 8' tall.

Yeah Ive been crabbing about the abundance of honey locsues for years.  That median reminds me of what a tree median could do for Clifton.  As someone in that thread said it wouldnt make much difference , but this tells me otherwise.

Also, it seems trees can grow without the amount of space they are requiring for Clifton. 

Why did they demolish/close the Eagle Rd bridge from across from the Q to the flats?

Have they tried any sort of conifer?  Don't know what their salt-resistance is like, but they're strongly associated with cold climates and aren't just twigs for half the year.

 

Why did they demolish/close the Eagle Rd bridge from across from the Q to the flats?

 

Eiither the innerbelt of the casino, or both.

Why did they demolish/close the Eagle Rd bridge from across from the Q to the flats?

 

Eiither the innerbelt of the casino, or both.

 

Wasn't that bridge demolished a long time ago?

^I think it was several years ago.  I believe the viaduct was simply old and crumbly so just removed without being replaced.  Or maybe the lift bridge was part was too far gone so not worth replacing the viaduct.  Planned shrinkage!

Actually, now that I think about it, the lift bridge was in place for years after the viaduct portion was removed, wasn't it?  Or was it the other way around?  Now I'm getting myself all confused!

^The lift bridge is still there, spanning the river from the Scranton Peninsula to near the now-defunct Forest City outdoor performance venue, but closed.  I don't know it's condition, but I think it's been closed for a while.

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=41.492732,-81.6913&spn=0.005224,0.013078&t=h&z=17

OK, I see I really had myself confused.  I knew the lift bridge was there recently, but for some reason when I was on the other side even more recently (Scranton/Carter) I thought I may have remembered it being gone, and the comment about something being demolished for the Casino or Innerbelt Bridge made me think maybe it had been demolished.

 

Anyway, it led me to some interesting research about the lift bridge (still there), viaduct (deomolished in 2005), Stones Levee Bridge (still there), and Smead Rolling Road (demolished in 1928 to make way for the viaduct).  One thing I found interesting that I definitely didn't know about was that the Smead Rolling Road had an "escalator" in the middle that pulled wagons up the hill to the intersection of Ontario and Eagle.

^I recall that "rolling road" from old photos and it is crazy cool looking!!!

http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/urbanohio&CISOPTR=1017&DMSCALE=100.00000&DMWIDTH=750&DMHEIGHT=1600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&REC=5&DMTHUMB=0&DMROTATE=0

I was surprised to see on one of those census maps that the median home value is $225,000 in census tract 1031. That includes everything between W 45h and W 65th, north of Detroit. Why does this area have such high home values compared to surrounding areas? It doesn't seem to make any sense.

I was surprised to see on one of those census maps that the median home value is $225,000 in census tract 1031. That includes everything between W 45h and W 65th, north of Detroit. Why does this area have such high home values compared to surrounding areas? It doesn't seem to make any sense.

 

That's where the new construction is concentrated.

I knew someone who lived in a house, really a quite beautful one, off w65 pretty close to battery park. I think the house cost her $50,000 after you take into account various tax credits and home incentive buyer programs she used.

 

But you're telling me $225k is the average, even with new construction? I hope they're selling, cause I don't know anyone who can afford that in that area, especially with nice, far cheaper places a block or two away. 

I was surprised to see on one of those census maps that the median home value is $225,000 in census tract 1031. That includes everything between W 45h and W 65th, north of Detroit. Why does this area have such high home values compared to surrounding areas? It doesn't seem to make any sense.

 

That's where the new construction is concentrated.

 

Isn't nearly all of the new construction WEST of W. 65th?

Good point, not sure what the split really is.  The stuff to the east of 65th does seem higher-end though.

North of Detroit and east of W. 65th the only new houses I can think of are the two on W. 54th near the Shoreway and some new townhomes near the back of Max Hayes.  Other than that, that census tract is mostly a big school, some factories, stores along the north side of Detroit, and a small amount of average older D/S homes.  I really find it hard to believe there's not something funky going on with that median home value.

Same here, all I can think of are "the periscopes" and "the pastels."  Not sure what ether is officially called.  Given the paucity of housing in that area, those alone could skew a mean value, but it is hard to believe they could throw off a median by this much.  Funky indeed.

I wouldn't put too much stock in that $225k median number.  It's based on a pretty small sample of observations.  The number is actually the 5-year average (2005-2009) which is supposed to help smooth out sampling errors, but doesn't always work out that way.

Anybody take part in the (Harry Buffalo?) 5K last night? There were people all over downtown running with sombreros, zoro masks etc. Mind you I was sitting at Greenhouse Tavern eating pork and drinking a beer  :-D but it seemed like a lot of fun.

Are all the houses on the short section of East 115th renovated? Also what is the condition of the houses/neighborhood on Wade Park Avenue?

^You mean E115th between Mayfield and Cornell, amidst all the UH and Case stuff?  I love that stretch.  Pretty sure the houses are generally in decent, renovated shape and that the whole street is owned by UH and managed as rentals by UCI.

 

And do you mean Wade Park Ave east of 105th?  Most of the houses look to be in pretty decent shape, but it's mixed.  There are a few pristine, newly renovated ones, at least one recent new build (which is ick) and some houses need a little help.  The street is kind of a seam between two neighborhoods: the south is obviously very nice (the heard of Case and all the institutions in the old houses), but the neighborhood to the north seems to be struggling, with lots of foreclosures and a lot of obvious maintenance issues, though by City of Cleveland standards, it's not horrible.

^ Sorry for not being more specific but yes you are right. Thank you. And I havent had the chance to go on Wade Park Ave but I did a quick googlemaps search for now and it seemed to look pretty decent so I decided to ask. The houses over there seem to be in okay to good shape and would make great rehabs. I would love to see everything between Wade Park Ave and Ashbury renovated. It has so much potential and has a great location being directly north of University Circle and Case. Long term you could continue working your way up north.

Yeah.... I think you mean E. 105, right?  I know the strip you are thinking of just north of Wade Park.  I would say that most, if not all, of those houses have had some renovations.  Some more than others.  Wade Park is in pretty good shape IMO.  The only thing that stops me from moving to that neighborhood is the area immediately to the north has very little hope (at least at present) and there really is no buffer zone.

^The East Side of the strip of E105 (as opposed to E115) just north of Wade Park has been/is being completely rehabbed in a project by Famicos, but as far as I can tell, it's been a pretty bad flop in the market.  They've dropped prices a ton and last time I looked, they still weren't selling.  They are beautiful, but on an unattractive, busy-ish street, and the houses are, IMHO, waaaaay to big for single family homes (they were converted from two-family).  Famicos also developed the newer townhouses on the west side of the street, but they don't seem to be selling so well either.

I was originally talking about E115. But I am also familiar with the area you are talking about on E105. Based on what I see from Googlemaps, it appears that 8 out of the 13 houses have sold, which I dont think is too bad considering the time and the size of the houses. I wish them success so that they can then take on the next street over!

Those are long-term investments at best.

There was mention of NoodleCat restaurant in the other forum and it got me thinking. Is there any plans for that awful looking, boarded up storefront on Euclid next to Jimmy Johns?

Anyone want to give me a list of streets I cant miss on a drive through Cleveland Heights? Shaker Heights can be included as well. Thanks.

You called?  Maybe a route would be best.

 

Head up Cedar Glenn Pkwy from UC to Euclid Height Blvd

Left on Coventry

Right on Mayfield

Left on Lee

Right on Monticello

Left on Yellowstone

Right on Noble

Left on Roanoke

Right on Windsor

Right on Cambridge

Cross over Monticello and Cambridge turns into Alston

Right on Bluestone

Left on Noble

Right on Montevista

Right on Oakridge

Left on Yellowstone

Left on Mayfield

Right on Maple

Right on Shannon

Left on Taylor

Right on Cedar

Left on Lee

Right on Scarborough

Left on Fairmount

Left on Monmouth

Right on Lee

Right on South Park

Veer onto North Park

Right on Chesnut Hills

Left on Hardcourt

Right on Cedar

Left on Derbyshire

Left to go down to Little Italy and out of the Heights

 

 

EDIT: IMO, the 'can't miss' streets are:

 

Euclid Heights (b/t Cedar Glen and Coventry)

Coventry (between Mayfield and Fairmount)

Fairmount (anywhere)

North Park and South Park (anywhere)

Derbyshire

Taylor (between Severance and Cedar)

Noble (between Monticello and Mayfield)

Oakridge (part of the Inglewood Historic District)

Washington (between Lee and where it dead ends near Coventry - not included in the driving tour because of the dead end)

 

Probably more that I just can't think of right now.

 

 

EDIT 2:  How could I forget my favorite streets in all of CH.....  Hampshire and Overlook.  You will have to double back for those.  Probably be best just to park somewhere around Coventry and take a stroll.

You called?  Maybe a route would be best.

 

Head up Cedar Glenn Pkwy from UC to Euclid Height Blvd

Left on Coventry

Right on Mayfield

Left on Lee

Right on Monticello

Left on Yellowstone

Right on Noble

Left on Roanoke

Right on Windsor

Right on Cambridge

Cross over Monticello and Cambridge turns into Alston

Right on Bluestone

Left on Noble

Right on Montevista

Right on Oakridge

Left on Yellowstone

Left on Mayfield

Right on Maple

Left on Shannon

Left on Taylor

Right on Cedar

Left on Lee

Right on Scarborough

Left on Fairmount

Left on Monmouth

Right on Lee

Right on South Park

Veer onto North Park

Right on Chesnut Hills

Left on Hardcourt

Right on Cedar

Left on Derbyshire

Left to go down to Little Italy and out of the Heights

 

Thank you, I was hoping you would respond to this. I actually almost sent you a private message haha

That's a very nice route and is all within Cleveland Heights.  If you want to do Shaker Heights, that might be a whole other drive.

 

Also, I might add that I'd include as much of Fairmount between the end (at Cedar) and Lee Rd. as you can.

If you take Coventry a little bit south of Fairmount, you hit Shaker Blvd a block east of Shaker Square.  A worthy diversion.

Does anyone know the reason for the cost difference between these two recently completed projects:  the Franklin County Courthouse in Columbus at $105mm and the Cuyahoga County Juvenile Justice Center in Cleveland at $189mm?

Quick question: I've heard different reasons why Peter Lewis refused to build Progressive Tower in downtown Cleveland. One is there was some parking issue that couldn't be resolved; another was that he wanted to build the Tower in front of some other buildings, blocking their view of the lake?

 

Anyone have any info?

I heard that he wanted it built on the Mall, over looking the lake and the city balked at the idea. This was in the late 80's when the city had some momentum... Boy what I would do for a nice shiny Progressive Tower downtown.

I wish they would move downtown. Their offices are so spread out. Do you think its possible that they'd consider the move within the next 20 years or so?

I seem to recall Peter Lewis blaming an obstructionist Mayor Mike White for his decision.

Does anyone know the reason for the cost difference between these two recently completed projects:  the Franklin County Courthouse in Columbus at $105mm and the Cuyahoga County Juvenile Justice Center in Cleveland at $189mm?

 

There is a difference between a courthouse and a justice center.  I'm sure the county corruption had something to do with the inflated price, but the new juvenille justice center is much more than a courthouse.