State rules on Pureval campaign finance activity:

 

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The commissioners found that Pureval’s campaign violated the law when it paid for a photographer to shoot Pureval’s campaign announcement. Pureval’s campaign manager said under oath that it was a mistake that stemmed from her having credit cards for two different campaigns attached to the electronic payment service Venmo.

 

The commissioners dismissed an allegation that Pureval’s campaign violated campaign finance laws when it paid for a poll that tested his viability in Ohio’s 1st Congressional District. Commissioners could not agree on whether or not he violated the law. 

 

 

The commissioners agreed that paying the photographer out of the wrong account was a simple mistake. Pureval has to pay a $100 fine. Total nothingburger.

Oh, and:
 

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Attorney Chris Finney, who represents complainant Mark Miller, a member of the conservative, anti-tax group the Coalition Opposed to Additional Spending and Taxes, argued that Pureval had taken a contribution from his mother to his state campaign, laundered it and used it to pay for the January poll. [...]

 

Finney said he was disappointed with the result, which he said afterward was a “very small” violation, but praised the extensive news reporting on the issue. 

 

 

This was nothing more than another political stunt by COAST to get its name in the news.

Pureval explains reason for staff firings

 

Aftab Pureval, the Democratic nominee in the 1st Congressional District, said he fired staffers on his campaign because of allegations by Hamilton County and Ohio Republicans that a volunteer intern tried to infiltrate the campaign of Rep. Steve Chabot, Pureval’s Republican opponent in Tuesday’s election.

 

In a brief interview with the Business Courier, Pureval was asked whether anyone with the campaign who had resigned or been fired had ordered an alleged incursion into Chabot’s campaign.

 

“Members of my team may not have lived up to my standards, so we dismissed them,” Pureval said. “I didn’t know anything about it. I certainly didn’t direct it. But as soon as I learned about it, I held them accountable. I was decisive, and that’s what people want in Congress.”

 

Asked whether “it” was the alleged incursion into Chabot’s campaign, Pureval said, “Yes, the infiltration.”

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/11/01/pureval-explains-reason-for-staff-firings.html

Yeah, maybe don't make your best friend from college your campaign manager?  Oh well.  He'll have a chance to run again with the re-drawn (hopefully) districts.  Ohio is also likely to lose at least one seat after the census so the district maps will look a lot different soon.

Just now, DarkandStormy said:

Yeah, maybe don't make your best friend from college your campaign manager?  Oh well.  He'll have a chance to run again with the re-drawn (hopefully) districts.  Ohio is also likely to lose at least one seat after the census so the district maps will look a lot different soon.

 

If this was a Hamilton County district he would've won easily. 

Also, its funny how Chabot keeps saying Aftab isn't from here. He never says "Aftab was born in Dayton" or "Aftab lived on the east side." He says "he's not from here." That's code for "he's not like you because he has brown skin." 

If he loses by 4-5 points it is a win for him.  He will have a future and will stay relevant. Part of the negative barrage he is seeing now is to beat him up for future races.

 

He still has the clerk job for 2 more years so that will keep him active in local politics.
I doubt he runs in 2020 unless Chabot vacates the seat as the new lines are not drawn until 2021. I could see him running for county commission in 2020 for Portune's seat. I don't know how much longer he has left given his health issues. I could also see him taking on Deters in 2020. Cant see him doing city council, think he would feel that is beneath him.

I don't think he would be satisfied or happy to stick in the clerk;s office for another term.

won't the lines not be redrawn until the 2023 election? I think the current districts went into effect in the 2013 election. Census in 2020, results the next year, and then they have to redraw the boundaries. Right?

Just now, DEPACincy said:

 

If this was a Hamilton County district he would've won easily. 

Also, its funny how Chabot keeps saying Aftab isn't from here. He never says "Aftab was born in Dayton" or "Aftab lived on the east side." He says "he's not from here." That's code for "he's not like you because he has brown skin." 

Take it for what its worth. I take it as he did not grow up in Cincinnati and on the West Side which still is Chabot's bread and butter. He is from Greenville which really is not even Dayton.

WHat he is saying is "I am from here, I am vested here, I will always be here, whereas, Aftab did not grow up here, and there is nothing that really will keep him here long term since he does not have that anchor of family in the local market"

 

That is important in politics, especially in Cincinnati. Democrat or Republican, where you are from matters. People want to know that win or lose, their politicians will stay in the area. This is why the Dreihaus name carries so much weight and the Luken and Mallory names are so powerful. People like to know that if you lose the election you will not take off to Florida or DC or some other state where you can hang your political shingle out. That is what reasonates with people when you say that a candidate is not from here.

Just now, ryanlammi said:

won't the lines not be redrawn until the 2023 election? I think the current districts went into effect in the 2013 election. Census in 2020, results the next year, and then they have to redraw the boundaries. Right?

 Per the Ohio Constitution:

 

Not later than the last day of September of a year ending in the numeral one, the general assembly shall pass a congressional district plan

OK I think I figured it out. The current districts went into effect with the Congressional terms starting in January 2013. They were approved in 2011, and in effect for the 2012 election (where the Congress started in 2013). All good.

Just now, Brutus_buckeye said:

Take it for what its worth. I take it as he did not grow up in Cincinnati and on the West Side which still is Chabot's bread and butter. He is from Greenville which really is not even Dayton.

WHat he is saying is "I am from here, I am vested here, I will always be here, whereas, Aftab did not grow up here, and there is nothing that really will keep him here long term since he does not have that anchor of family in the local market"

 

That is important in politics, especially in Cincinnati. Democrat or Republican, where you are from matters. People want to know that win or lose, their politicians will stay in the area. This is why the Dreihaus name carries so much weight and the Luken and Mallory names are so powerful. People like to know that if you lose the election you will not take off to Florida or DC or some other state where you can hang your political shingle out. That is what reasonates with people when you say that a candidate is not from here.

 

That's certainly the generous interpretation and if I didn't know anything else about how the Republican Party operates I might believe it. But it's the standard playbook they've deployed all across the country. In South Jersey they've similar ads and sent mailers about the Asian Democratic candidate there. In upstate New York they've demonized the Democratic candidate for his former rap career. The Republican Party is toxic and Chabot is no different. 

Just now, ryanlammi said:

OK I think I figured it out. The current districts went into effect with the Congressional terms starting in January 2013. They were approved in 2011, and in effect for the 2012 election (where the Congress started in 2013). All good.

Pureval is young enough, imo, that if he were to lose he could make another good run at a seat with the redrawn districts.

Just now, Brutus_buckeye said:

Take it for what its worth. I take it as he did not grow up in Cincinnati and on the West Side which still is Chabot's bread and butter. He is from Greenville which really is not even Dayton.

WHat he is saying is "I am from here, I am vested here, I will always be here, whereas, Aftab did not grow up here, and there is nothing that really will keep him here long term since he does not have that anchor of family in the local market"

 

That is important in politics, especially in Cincinnati. Democrat or Republican, where you are from matters. People want to know that win or lose, their politicians will stay in the area. This is why the Dreihaus name carries so much weight and the Luken and Mallory names are so powerful. People like to know that if you lose the election you will not take off to Florida or DC or some other state where you can hang your political shingle out. That is what reasonates with people when you say that a candidate is not from here.

 

Tell me more about Mitt Romney running for Senate in Utah.

If you go around looking to find offense and  micro aggression in something you will find it. I tend to believe that the majority or rational people do not view things through the lens of race and gender and take it for what it is on the surface. The majority of people don't go around looking for some hidden dark meaning in a phrase or coded "dog whistle" meaning. They take it for what it is.  As a matter of fact, I remember many years ago, Driehaus had campaign ads touting his families legacy on the West Side of Cincinnati much in the same vein that Chabot is doing here. 

 

This is just the lie of intersectionalism continuing to bleed itself into everyday conversation where people are so caught up in trying to be angry and miserable they look for offenses in everything and it creates a miserable existence.

Just now, Brutus_buckeye said:

This is just the lie of intersectionalism continuing to bleed itself into everyday conversation where people are so caught up in trying to be angry and miserable they look for offenses in everything and it creates a miserable existence.

 

You mean like coming up with new unwritten rules that are disqualifying for being elected an official?

Just now, DarkandStormy said:

Pureval is young enough, imo, that if he were to lose he could make another good run at a seat with the redrawn districts.

I think the plan for him would be to wait until 2022 and try to run with the new district, run again in 2020 if CHabot retires and he could get the coattails of a presidential election to help him, run for Portune's seat in 2020 if he retires or he would challenge Deters for prosecutor. My bet is on Deters or Portune in 2020. Cant see him wanting to waste any more time in the clerk's seat. If Portune retires, I bet he runs for that seat, otherwise he will challenge Deters. There were rumors he wanted the Attorney General seat but he decided to run for Congress instead.

 

Just now, DarkandStormy said:

 

Tell me more about Mitt Romney running for Senate in Utah.

Mitt is a devout Mormon who spent considerable time in Salt Lake through his life, he has a lot of property interests there, he was responsible for bringing the Olympics to Salt Lake so even though he may not be a native or full time resident, he had burnished his Utah credibility to them. You also have to remember that this is Utah and the Mormon thing bears a ton of credibility there. It is like being Catholic on the West Side of Cincinnati, it means something.

Just now, Brutus_buckeye said:

Mitt is a devout Mormon who spent considerable time in Salt Lake through his life, he has a lot of property interests there, he was responsible for bringing the Olympics to Salt Lake so even though he may not be a native or full time resident, he had burnished his Utah credibility to them. You also have to remember that this is Utah and the Mormon thing bears a ton of credibility there. It is like being Catholic on the West Side of Cincinnati, it means something.

So...identity politics, then.

Just now, DarkandStormy said:

 

You mean like coming up with new unwritten rules that are disqualifying for being elected an official?

 

 

No, I mean not going through life being a miserable wretch because people are so focused on finding offense and micro aggressions to the smallest things. It is not buying into the garbage that everyone is a victim in some capacity. It is garbage theory and the people that teach it should not really be given credence in academia.

Just now, Brutus_buckeye said:

 

 

No, I mean not going through life being a miserable wretch because people are so focused on finding offense and micro aggressions to the smallest things. It is not buying into the garbage that everyone is a victim in some capacity. It is garbage theory and the people that teach it should not really be given credence in academia.

 

Being upset that Pureval didn't poop in his diapers in OH-1 seems like a micro aggression, imo.

^ as mentioned, I think most voters see that as creating a sense of place and connection to an area. Like most jobs, employers want to see a reason for coming to a new area besides the job, same with this.

 

In our business, our company works with employers all the time to help them find director and manager positions. Where people are from and their connection to an area is always one of the most important questions there is because it shows stability and creates a sense that the person is committed to the area. When an employer is choosing between hiring 2 people of equal or close to equal qualifications for a position in say Nashville or Charlotte, the fact that the one candidate grew up in that city or has family in the area is very important as opposed to the other candidate who just wants to go to that city because they think it is a cool place to live. The person with a connection or anchor will get the job 9x out of 10 because to the employer it makes them feel like the person is more committed to the area and will stick around when things get tough and not look to cut and run as quickly.

 

Same principles apply to politics.

Just now, Brutus_buckeye said:

Same principles apply to politics.

*Except in the other cases that go against my party.

we would be much better off as a society if we quit looking at things through the lens of victimhood and micro aggression.

 

Treat each other nicely and quit trying to seeking hidden meanings in things that are not there or never intended to be there.
It really is not that hard to ask.

The Republican Party is the ultimate example of claiming victimhood where there is none.

Being “from” OH-1 is a meaningless concept because it is a gerrymandered, disjointed, non sensical shape lacking geographical or cultural cohesion. 

 

Have any House seats in the entire state changed party hands since the redistricting after the last census almost ten years ago? This is democracy?

Edited November 2, 20186 yr by thebillshark

Just now, Brutus_buckeye said:

we would be much better off as a society if we quit looking at things through the lens of victimhood and micro aggression.

 

Treat each other nicely and quit trying to seeking hidden meanings in things that are not there or never intended to be there.
It really is not that hard to ask.

 

You're upset that a bartender in New York ran for Congress and won instead of staying a bartender.  Give me a ****ing break.

 

You just on WEDNESDAY said that the "NPC crowd" pointed to McConnell and Boehner's statements.  Now you think we should "treat each other nicely."  The only nice thing I can say to that is to suggest maybe you live the values you espouse.

Edited November 2, 20186 yr by DarkandStormy

Possible political ad: "Pureval admits he doesn't even know much about high school football. Wrong for Ohio."

Pureval never played football in THE PIT! He's just not one of us. Doesn't share our values. 

On 10/31/2018 at 5:34 PM, ColDayMan said:

Pureval campaign manager out 6 days before election

 

Democratic congressional candidate Aftab Pureval has accepted the resignation of his campaign manager six days before the election.

 

Sarah Topy, a longtime Pureval friend going back to their days at Ohio State University who also ran his winning 2016 clerk of courts campaign, quit Tuesday night.

 

The Pureval campaign was opaque about the reasons for Topy's resignation.

 

"Our campaign holds itself to the highest standards of professionalism and accountability," Pureval said. "Yesterday I learned new information that led me to believe that members of my staff may not have lived up to that standard. We have dismissed those staff members. I do not want this issue to be a distraction in the final days, and therefore have accepted the resignation of my campaign manager."

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/10/31/pureval-campaign-manager-out-6-days-before.html

 

I was really surprised and saddened to hear this.  I knew Sara Topy as well as Aftab personally in USG at OSU when I was there (2000-2004), and I would have even less expected any kind of unethical conduct from her as from him.

 

I saw that the campaign finance allegations against Aftab resulted in a complete nothingburger of a $100 fine for apparently improperly commingled funds (both linked to the same Venmo account, of all things) used to pay a photographer, to which my reaction is to reiterate my initial reaction that the law itself is dumb.  We just burned up I have no idea how many attorney and court hours on the intricacies of Venmo linking and who pays for photographers (answer: basically no one, they make peanuts anyway).

 

Apparently there was actually something to the allegations against Topy, or at least Aftab thinks there were, since he admits there was some infiltration of the Chabot campaign by pretense by a Pureval campaign extern.  (Honestly, on the scale of political dirty tricks, I don't think that's one's all that high, either ... not that much higher than me following Jacobin Magazine to get the unvarnished leftist line.  But it's something.)  Before reading that, my first thought about allegations against Topy would have been similarly dismissive.  She was part of the new wave of USG members swept in, as was I, following the big-at-the-time but now-historical-footnote Augean stables cleanout of the B.J. Schuerger administration there.

 

On 11/1/2018 at 11:57 AM, Brutus_buckeye said:

The hearing would have been sooner but Aftab tried to delay things with his appeals. He only has himself to blame on that one.

 

This race is over. Aftab has pretty much imploded and he may cause a lot of down ballot statehouse races to go with him.

 

It will be interesting to hear what happens at the hearing today since his campaign manager resigned yesterday and now is really under no obligation to tow the party line and can air a lot of dirty laundry.

 

I doubt there's much to air.  Topy seems to have been the problem more than Aftab, and I honestly doubt that her laundry is really all that dirty, either.

 

2 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

Yeah, maybe don't make your best friend from college your campaign manager?  Oh well.  He'll have a chance to run again with the re-drawn (hopefully) districts.  Ohio is also likely to lose at least one seat after the census so the district maps will look a lot different soon.

 

Here's the thing.  I certainly lean conservative, but as of 15 years ago when I knew her personally, Sarah Topy was already someone I'd have marked as someone I'd want running any campaign for office that I would ever run in the future.  I didn't lean as far right then as I do now, of course, but still, she was talented, organized, and industrious.  Definitely a capable operator even then, at least by the standards of a 22-year-old.  She worked on other campaigns between 2004 and 2018, too, so it's not like this was just Aftab fishing back to his undergrad days to look up a student government friend for a cheap vanity campaign.  She was a pro and she had the raw material of a pro even 15+ years ago.  I honestly think even this won't be fatal to her long-term career prospects in this industry.

^Thanks for the personal insights, @Gramarye.  I'm not in OH-1 and have only followed this race casually.  This last minute firing/resigning seems odd, and of course details are sparse.  Even more bizarre that you say Topy seems like such a sharp person fit for running a campaign 15 years ago.  Wonder if we'll ever hear the full/real story or not.

51 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

If you go around looking to find offense and  micro aggression in something you will find it. I tend to believe that the majority or rational people do not view things through the lens of race and gender and take it for what it is on the surface. The majority of people don't go around looking for some hidden dark meaning in a phrase or coded "dog whistle" meaning. They take it for what it is.  As a matter of fact, I remember many years ago, Driehaus had campaign ads touting his families legacy on the West Side of Cincinnati much in the same vein that Chabot is doing here. 

 

This is just the lie of intersectionalism continuing to bleed itself into everyday conversation where people are so caught up in trying to be angry and miserable they look for offenses in everything and it creates a miserable existence.

 

This is rich. First, Aftab isn't "from here" even though he's lived in Cincinnati for years and went to UC Law. But Mitt Romney has a "connection" to Utah because he's Mormon so that one is okay. Do you not see how ridiculous your logic is? 

Second, no one is looking for micro-aggressions. It is obvious to any clear thinking person without an agenda that the Republicans are doing their best to incite people's fear about the "other." From Trump claiming there are Middle Easterners in the caravan, to GOP House candidates all over the country running ads painting their opponents as outsiders and traitors. It isn't just liberals who have noticed the blatant race-baiting, white nationalists and the KKK have commended it! If the racists think what you're doing is racist then it is probably racist FFS!

Just now, Gramarye said:

 

I was really surprised and saddened to hear this.  I knew Sara Topy as well as Aftab personally in USG at OSU when I was there (2000-2004), and I would have even less expected any kind of unethical conduct from her as from him.

 

I saw that the campaign finance allegations against Aftab resulted in a complete nothingburger of a $100 fine for apparently improperly commingled funds (both linked to the same Venmo account, of all things) used to pay a photographer, to which my reaction is to reiterate my initial reaction that the law itself is dumb.  We just burned up I have no idea how many attorney and court hours on the intricacies of Venmo linking and who pays for photographers (answer: basically no one, they make peanuts anyway).

 

Apparently there was actually something to the allegations against Topy, or at least Aftab thinks there were, since he admits there was some infiltration of the Chabot campaign by pretense by a Pureval campaign extern.  (Honestly, on the scale of political dirty tricks, I don't think that's one's all that high, either ... not that much higher than me following Jacobin Magazine to get the unvarnished leftist line.  But it's something.)  Before reading that, my first thought about allegations against Topy would have been similarly dismissive.  She was part of the new wave of USG members swept in, as was I, following the big-at-the-time but now-historical-footnote Augean stables cleanout of the B.J. Schuerger administration there.

 

 

I doubt there's much to air.  Topy seems to have been the problem more than Aftab, and I honestly doubt that her laundry is really all that dirty, either.

 

 

Here's the thing.  I certainly lean conservative, but as of 15 years ago when I knew her personally, Sarah Topy was already someone I'd have marked as someone I'd want running any campaign for office that I would ever run in the future.  I didn't lean as far right then as I do now, of course, but still, she was talented, organized, and industrious.  Definitely a capable operator even then, at least by the standards of a 22-year-old.  She worked on other campaigns between 2004 and 2018, too, so it's not like this was just Aftab fishing back to his undergrad days to look up a student government friend for a cheap vanity campaign.  She was a pro and she had the raw material of a pro even 15+ years ago.  I honestly think even this won't be fatal to her long-term career prospects in this industry.

 

Oh, I remember her now from OCSG when I was on SSU's Student Government. I was just trying to remember her name while trying to think of people from those meetings the other day. Early 2000s

 

Just now, DEPACincy said:

 

This is rich. First, Aftab isn't "from here" even though he's lived in Cincinnati for years and went to UC Law. But Mitt Romney has a "connection" to Utah because he's Mormon so that one is okay. Do you not see how ridiculous your logic is? 

Second, no one is looking for micro-aggressions. It is obvious to any clear thinking person without an agenda that the Republicans are doing their best to incite people's fear about the "other." From Trump claiming there are Middle Easterners in the caravan, to GOP House candidates all over the country running ads painting their opponents as outsiders and traitors. It isn't just liberals who have noticed the blatant race-baiting, white nationalists and the KKK have commended it! If the racists think what you're doing is racist then it is probably racist FFS!

How the people of Utah evaluate Romney's candidacy is concern to Utahans. How the people of the 1st district view Aftab is only of concern to them.  Being from "here" means a lot more to the crowd over on the West side of Cincinnati than it does to those who live in Warren County and typically are more mobile. What I would assume Chabot is trying to do by saying that is to appeal to the old West Side connections that may be on the fence and remind them that he is one of them, born and raised on the West Side vs an outsider.

 

Now to your point about Aftab, He has been here pretty much since 2007 with a short stint in DC for about a year. So yes, he is not a carpetbagger to the extent that someone like Hillary Clinton may be. I don't agree that Aftab is a carpetbagger and truly feel he wants to be a Cincinnati resident for the rest of his life. That being said, in politics, that is obviously an easy play on Chabot's part to paint him as someone who is not vested in the community. THat is far different than finding some dog whistle racist message in the ad.

Is Cincinnati actually parochial enough that when someone from down there suggests that you're "not from around here," it genuinely doesn't matter whether you're from Dayton or Denmark, it's all "not from around here?"  Is this like Pataskala people saying that someone's from "way out that way" when they mean Pickerington?

Depends on who you're talking about. Price Hill, Westwood, and Colerain Township (all on the West Side) seem to care a lot. Almost everyone else in the area doesn't care at all.

4 minutes ago, Gramarye said:

Is Cincinnati actually parochial enough that when someone from down there suggests that you're "not from around here," it genuinely doesn't matter whether you're from Dayton or Denmark, it's all "not from around here?"  Is this like Pataskala people saying that someone's from "way out that way" when they mean Pickerington?

 Warren County - no.

East side Cincinnati - no.

Price Hill, Westwood, Bridgetown, Delhi, Green Twp, Dent, Cleves, Cheviot, White Oak. - It is essential. Your connection to Elder matters in those areas and to a lesser extent LaSalle. 

It also matters a lot in certain neighborhoods in Northern Kentucky too like Ft Thomas, Ft Mitchell and Ft. Wright.  

 

Chabot is West Side, Catholic, went to LaSalle. It carries a lot of weight in the district. He has a 60 year head start  on knowing that area.

Edited November 2, 20186 yr by Brutus_buckeye

1 hour ago, edale said:

Pureval never played football in THE PIT! He's just not one of us. Doesn't share our values. 

 

Chabot went to LaSalle.  He used to campaign at the west side high school football games and probably still does. 

 

The west side has done nothing but drift steadily downward since 1994 under Chabot's watch.  Yet he'll be given yet another chance. 

Mallory said latest GOP ad against Pureval is ‘racist,’ calls on Chabot to denounce it

 

Former Mayor Mark Mallory said a new Republican attack ad against Democratic congressional candidate Aftab Pureval is racist because it shows African Americans when it says Pureval would side with a “liberal mob” and white people when it talks about the middle class.

 

“This is offensive,” Mallory, a Democrat, said at a news conference in the West End on Friday. “That is racist politics at its worst.”

 

The ad does show an African American on top of a car when the narrator talks about a “liberal mob,” but another man in the shot is white. The portions of the ad about liberal mobs are in black-and-white, while U.S. Rep. Steve Chabot, R-Westwood, is shown talking with voters, including two African Americans, in color. You can watch the ad here.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/11/02/mallory-said-latest-gop-ad-against-pureval-is.html

 

Just now, jmecklenborg said:

 

Chabot went to LaSalle.  He used to campaign at the west side high school football games and probably still does. 

 

The west side has done nothing but drift steadily downward since 1994 under Chabot's watch.  Yet he'll be given yet another chance. 

 

Remember, he's "just getting started."

I suspect firing Topy is another amateur mistake, amplifying the issue into something more than it is. Aftab had no room for error in this race, but he made some small errors than were then blown out of proportion and fatal.

The west side was never the cultural monolith that people like to think that it was, and to whatever example it was, that core group of people has diluted significantly since the 1990s.   The fact that Catholic institutions are closing (most notably, the recent closure of 100+ year-old Mother of Mercy High School) and the Catholic grade schools and high schools are actively recruiting non-Catholics to avoid closure illustrates that point.   There is simply no way that Catholics aged 60 and under who are left in District 1 are voting the same way that all of the old people who are dying off by the dozen each day used to vote. 

 

 

Chabot was just on 700 WLW at 11:10am -- on election day -- talking about...BENGHAZI. 

On 11/2/2018 at 3:45 PM, Gramarye said:

Is Cincinnati actually parochial enough that when someone from down there suggests that you're "not from around here," it genuinely doesn't matter whether you're from Dayton or Denmark, it's all "not from around here?"  Is this like Pataskala people saying that someone's from "way out that way" when they mean Pickerington?

 

 

In this case, it's a dog whistle 

I hate the dog whistle term. People should take things at face value instead of trying to imply meaning which really is not there. For the most part, people are not that subtle when they speak and there really is not some hidden code of subtleties that only Chabot supporters know about.

Chabot reelected.  He's going to GET TO THE BOTTOM of this Benghazi business, once and for all. 

You and Chabot are west side friends, right Jake? GCL buddies?

Everyone I know who knew Chabot at LaSalle said that he was a dolt. 

17 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I hate the dog whistle term. People should take things at face value instead of trying to imply meaning which really is not there. For the most part, people are not that subtle when they speak and there really is not some hidden code of subtleties that only Chabot supporters know about.

 

No, you're right about the bold portion. We ALL know exactly what he's saying. He made it pretty clear by the time it was all over. Chabot is a piece of crap who will just continue to hold this city back.

^ Chabot has been on the Foreign Affairs committee for a long time. He chairs the subcommittee on the Middle East. He has significant support within Cincinnati's Asian (south and east) minority community for his work to encourage cooperation between America and Asian nations. (On a related note, this is probably one of the reasons Aftab was chosen by the Dems - to appeal to identity politics and chip away at that support). To suggest that he is somehow racist and/or xenophobic is beyond absurd. It's simply uninformed and ignorant.

Edited November 8, 20186 yr by Ram23

1 hour ago, DEPACincy said:

 

No, you're right about the bold portion. We ALL know exactly what he's saying. He made it pretty clear by the time it was all over. Chabot is a piece of crap who will just continue to hold this city back.

You can spin and put words in his mouth however you want to match your agenda. Let's take things at face value. Fact is, you do not know his intent, you are not him and you don't speak for him and if you say you do, you are being disingenuous.  WHen you interpret things this way, you are taking your own prejudices and preconceptions and trying to project them on to someone else's speech.

 

 

His appearance on 700WLW on Monday was the first I had heard from the guy since I saw him passing out his cups at a football game around 1995.  I haven't physically seen the guy in 20+ years.  I doubt that I've heard him on the radio even once since then. 

 

The gerrymandering means he doesn't have to campaign.  He doesn't have to watch his words.  He's practically a Lord in the House of Lords.  The last time he took a stand on something was his fight against the Flying Pig statues in 1988.