Hey this question is for all the people who live or have lived in Tremont since you know it the best.

Update: (ill add two more questions)

 

1. Which sections/streets do you find the best?

2. Which ones do you see needing more work?

3. Whats up with Tremont Pointe?

4. Is the neighborhood still progressing?

5. How is the crime in this area? Is it going down at all?

6. Why do many consider Tremont a better area then Ohio City. Is it because its more secluded from the bad areas? I'm just wondering

7. Do you think that the Steelyard Commons has helped the neighborhood?

1)  I am fond of the area around Lemko Hall.  11th and Kennilworth, anything around Lincoln park really...then right along the bluff.

 

2) I really hate the alley Thurman...between Professor and 7th, crappily built houses on a way too narrow alley.

 

3)  way to expensive for a view of some oil tanks and a rail road yard..  The couple that have a north facing view are gone.  You can buy along the bluff or any of the other recently built townhouses for around the same price.

 

4)  I think so.  In my opinion it isn't re-gressing.

 

5)  I don't think it is going up...mostly people breaking car windows and taking whatever they see.

For #4 & 5...does it ever get to a point where you don't have to ask that question or worry about getting your car window bashed in?

 

I feel like there is still a fringe element in and around Tremont that doesn't seem to go away...like they have strong holds on certain parts of the neighborhood and that's that.

I hate what I call the "meth house"  on 11th at about castle...on the way down to Clark fields.  Drive by it 98% of the time the front door is wide open, even in January, and there are 4-6 cars parked in their side yard.  this is right next to pretty nice $200,000 town houses on the park and near where the towpath trail is supposed to go.

 

You have the projects in the corner by the highway...the area south of 490 is borderline (literally), the alley I mentioned.

 

Part of the problem is a lot of the housing stock isn't very good, makes little sense to spend $100,000 doing a gut job on a "workers cottage" built in the 30's or 40's with no basement on an alley.  And you would need the land under 6 of them to have any sort of scale to tear down and start over.

 

Not all of the housing is the Victorians you see around the park, a lot of it just needs to be torn down.

Tremont seems intersting to me because that is an area where a lot of the housing stock is nothing special and would be better if we just tore them down. In several other areas of the city, there are beautiful houses that need to love and could be something special but no one really cares about them. Tremont seems like its almost a neighborhood where almost the whole thing needs to be new build. Tremont is also interesting because it is completely surrounded by barriers (90, 490, and the river).

1) I lived at the corner of Thurman and Starkweather for a year before I moved to West 11th by the park. I liked both areas, but I prefer my location by the park now. I would say the area enclosed by 490 to the south, West 14th to the west, West 5th to the east and University to the north is the prime area to live in.

 

2) The alley on Thurman does need a little bit of work - there is still a presence of long time residents there. I didn't mind where I lived on Thurman because it was at the end on Starkweather and there are $200K condos being built there. I would also say the streets down near West 5th could use some work.

 

3) I am not sure what is up with Tremont Point. I lived by it for a year, and while I believe it claims to be mixed income, it certainly doesn't appear to be. I would not choose to live there.

 

4) I have only lived there for a year, and I have seen progress since i have lived there. I am always noticing a new house being renovated, new townhouse construction or a new restaurant or business opening up.

 

5) I have never had any problems personally, nor do I know anyone personally who has. I park my brand new car on the street every night and have never had issues. I live in a one story house, and I keep my porch light on at night and keep all my windows shut and locked while I am at work during the day.

Caveat: I serve on a Tremont neighborhood board, so I have a bit of a bias.

 

I really like what is happening on Kenilworth between W. 11th and W. 10th. Starting with Visible Voice, quite a few storefronts are being renovated and repopulated with the record store, the new-age place, and there is a bit more to come. It will be a really nice corridor linking Professor with Lincoln Park. I'm also really happy with what is happening with Tremont Pointe, especially in comparison to the barrack-style housing that was there previously. All of the development that you see on Starkweather (the breakout of Lucky's, Lily's, and the other new shops) would not have taken place without Tremont Pointe.

 

Contrary to perception, Tremont Pointe has not been an area of concern for crime. I think that the design of the buildings and the increased visibility of public spaces has done a lot to help, but there is also a real sense of pride there. We do have crime problems along some of the residential alleys (W. 6th in particular). Also, the "Metro North" part of the neighborhood (which is part of historic Tremont before the interstates came through) has had crime problems as well, mainly stemming from its proximity to Clark Metro. There is always a need for more work there, but there is also an active block club that works with TWDC and CPD 2nd District. I am very hopeful that we will see the kind of redevelopment and rehabilitation there that we have seen elsewhere in Tremont.

 

I really believe that the neighborhood is still progressing. Despite the economic downturn, there have been relatively few vacant or foreclosed properties in the neighborhood. And, we are still seeing investment in places such as Scranton between Starkweather and Barber which would have been unimaginable several years ago.  I'd like for there to be more work on Tremont south of I-490, especially to build off of the Towpath Trail, the rehab of Clark Field, and the Christmas Story House.

 

Crime will always be an issue in any City. Most of the crimes in Tremont are crimes of opportunity such as car break-ins (PUT YOUR JUNK IN THE TRUNK, PEOPLE). There are exceptions, but we have good community policing. I think that as long as we do the basics, such as keeping up block clubs, doing streetscape projects, keep vacant lots clean, and do more infill, Tremont will continue to thrive.

Tremont seems intersting to me because that is an area where a lot of the housing stock is nothing special and would be better if we just tore them down. In most other areas of the city, there are beautiful houses that need to love and could be something special but no one really cares about them. Tremont seems like its almost a neighborhood where almost the whole thing needs to be new build. Tremont is also interesting because it is completely surrounded by barriers (90, 490, and the river).

 

Wow, tell us how you really feel!  You know, there's more to Tremont than Lincoln Park, right?  And frankly, MOST of this city is composed of quickly-built, inexpensive woodframe housing.  I don't know why you're singling out Tremont for razing, especially since it's one of a handful of neighborhoods in Cleveland where people are choosing to come in and fix up property.

 

1.  I personally love W. 12, though the bricks could stand to be redone (in some places they've been patched with concrete.)  I also like the feel of Thurman (and Brayton, and Fruit) because it's a visible reminder of the days when Cleveland was so teeming with residents they had to be squeezed in anywhere they could.  But hey, I live in the "literally borderline" part of Tremont, so I'm probably too meth-addled to think straight. :-P 

 

Seriously though, MY part of Tremont, south of 490, is by no means a gentrified paradise, but just because we don't have a Lolita or Lago on every corner doesn't mean that we're some ghetto.  We're a stable, safe, working-class part of the neighborhood.  There are some beautiful "worker cottages" and other housing that I wish would get rehabbed, and a few lots that I would like to see filled in, but we'll get there in time.

 

2.  The hill above W. 11 needs to be stabilized, and then the northern end leading to the footbridge could stand some infill.  Clark west of the freeway (and the side streets, including Scranton) could definitely use some love.

 

3.  I don't know what you're asking.

 

4.  Definitely.  I've lived here for several years, and it still astonishes me to look at the photos I took when I first moved to the neighborhood and recent ones.

 

5.  I might as well quote restless-

 

5) I have never had any problems personally, nor do I know anyone personally who has. I park my brand new car on the street every night and have never had issues. I live in a one story house, and I keep my porch light on at night and keep all my windows shut and locked while I am at work during the day.

There has been a lot of properties that have been fixed up and its great. But there has also been alot of areas that have been demonlished and started from scratch with a nice dense urban feel. Like to the north between west 5th and west 7th by literary road. Certain houses are worth saving but several are also okay to let go.

Tremont seems intersting to me because that is an area where a lot of the housing stock is nothing special and would be better if we just tore them down. In most other areas of the city, there are beautiful houses that need to love and could be something special but no one really cares about them. Tremont seems like its almost a neighborhood where almost the whole thing needs to be new build. Tremont is also interesting because it is completely surrounded by barriers (90, 490, and the river).

 

 

I am through Tremont frequently and never had a problem, but this is not to say they don't exist. I guess its about timing and exercising common sense safety precautions and being aware of your surroundings and who is nearby. Never fiddle with belongings, such as a wallet in clear sight..etc..etc.. Don't know what the exact stats are....

 

Commenting on the above quoted part:

 

I don't know if I would simply tear down homes that can be restored...ones that are still worthy of it. I think a lot of these simple workers cottages/homes can be spruced up quite well. Tremont also has a splash of class and nicer homes here and there and represents an era well. The new stuff may look nice and fresh, but I would bet that even a lot of the mundane quickly built workers homes were/are more solid than some of the new stuff we see being built. Especially the kind of new stuff that seems to start to look worn just after a few years. I prefer renovation and deconstruction whenever it can be done.

 

However, from a block watch perspective, there are some places that cannot sit forever awaiting a new interest because eventually they will become dirt magnets and undermine values other properties that are in decent or very good shape. So as much as I am for promoting preservation of the best examples of time periods and styles, I acknowledge that part.

 

On the other hand, I totally agree that there are so many other areas in the city that have some incredible homes that need a lot of TLC. I have seen them in  Broadway/Slavic Village....Fairfax, Glenville, Hough, and a host of other neighborhoods worth some re-discovery. With all the great promoters of being urban pioneers and cheerleaders for such neighborhoods in Cleveland here....  I look at photo threads from Clueless and don't seem to notice anyone walking those streets!  :-P

 

I'd like to see more action in other areas besides the usual. I actually plan on eventually investing in such an area and buying up some homes in need.

 

One point on Tremont... Although not technically in Tremont, but certainly a gateway into the neighborhood.. Clark and 14th.. Those crappy looking fuel stations are a huge eyesore. Operators won't do even the simplest things to have the properties looking respectable. Point is, more commercial properties need to do their part as well in many areas. Its not only homes that need more attention.

Do you think the natural and man made barriers around Tremont, as well as access has helped it become what its is today? With Tremont you have a little section that you can work on that is secluded from other things if you want it to be. If you look at the east side neighborhoods there are really no barriers making it harder to convince people to reinvest in the area and to make it good again. Im not sure if thats how it is but it seems like it could be

One point on Tremont... Although not technically in Tremont, but certainly a gateway into the neighborhood.. Clark and 14th.. Those crappy looking fuel stations are a huge eyesore. Operators won't do even the simplest things to have the properties looking respectable. Point is, more commercial properties need to do their part as well in many areas. Its not only homes that need more attention.

 

Actually, Clark and 14th is technically in Tremont. It is difficult to make gas stations look better (the BP and Sunoco are fairly comparable to other stations everywhere), but one can improve the streetscape. This is considered a gateway and should be improved.

 

Do you think the natural and man made barriers around Tremont, as well as access has helped it become what its is today? With Tremont you have a little section that you can work on that is secluded from other things if you want it to be.

 

I think that it's a two-edged sword. Certainly, right around the time the highways cut through Tremont, the neighborhood went into a steep decline. The isolation has made it a bit easier to focus development, but as the part of the neighborhood north of I-490 and east of I-71 gets built-out, those barriers are making it more difficult to relink with the rest of the neighborhood. There is a lot that we are and will be doing to make pedestrian and bike connections along Abbey, Starkweather, Kenilworth, W. 14th, and W. 11th to span the highways, as well as improve the streetscape above and below the highways. The Innerbelt project can be leveraged to improve the I-71/90 undersides, for example, but it also means that the tunnel-effect will be greater.

I added two more questions

Can I ask what your purpose of this poll is?  Are you planning to move to the area?  Do you currently live in the area?  What's up?

 

I'm not a resident but will answer from the point of a frequent visitor.

 

Hey this question is for all the people who live or have lived in Tremont since you know it the best.

Update: (ill add two more questions)

 

1. Which sections/streets do you find the best?

2. Which ones do you see needing more work?

3. Whats up with Tremont Pointe?

4. Is the neighborhood still progressing?

5. How is the crime in this area? Is it going down at all?

6. Why do many consider Tremont a better area then Ohio City. Is it because its more secluded from the bad areas? I'm just wondering

7. Do you think that the Steelyard Commons has helped the neighborhood?

 

[*]Honestly I like the whole neighborhood.  Although I constantly get lost when going there.

[*]The area just west of the Tremont Tap house (is that Tremont or Ohio City?)

[*]They're nice for those downsizing or moving to a first/second home

[*]Progressing

[*]Not a resident but can't answer.  But my cousin says he feels the area has gotten safe.

[*]I think they each section is unique yet compliment one another.  As they improve and more people move in, we'll see less "division"

[*]My cousin thinks it's helped, but more could be done like partnerships with Tremont associations for landmarking/preservation and beautification.

6.  I wouldn't consider Tremont to be better than OC.  just has different strengths and weaknesses.  OC has a grocery the WS market and much better public transport access.  Tremont has art galleries and a less transients.

 

What you have in the OC 2 sets of Projects, hospital, grocery store/WS market, and 2 major bus transfer points Lorain and Detroit at 25th st. and a rapid station.

 

so you have no barriers to entry and many reasons for lots of people to be passing through and moving about within the area often on foot, often congregating on street corners.

 

In Tremont, if you don't live there there aren't a lot of reasons to be "passing through".  AND if you don't know how to get there, it can be difficult to get in.

 

Abbey Rd and Clark are the only "normal" streets to get in...you can get off the highway or come up through the industrial valley but those aren't easy.  It was always fun having to give cab drivers and Avonites directions to Lolita or Fahrenheit.

 

7.  Steelyard is convenient to Tremont, but at least to me, never felt like it was part of Tremont.  It really felt no different than driving out to Ridge Rd in parma and shopping there.  It really isn't within comfortable walking distance of the neighborhood, especially if you are carrying anything.  It does save you  20 minutes to 1/2 an hour from having to drive further so it helps pretty much any/everyone that it is closer to such as downtown, ohio city and asiatown.

 

 

 

6.  I wouldn't consider Tremont to be better than OC.  just has different strengths and weaknesses.  OC has a grocery the WS market and much better public transport access.  Tremont has art galleries and a less transients.

 

What you have in the OC 2 sets of Projects, hospital, grocery store/WS market, and 2 major bus transfer points Lorain and Detroit at 25th st. and a rapid station.

 

so you have no barriers to entry and many reasons for lots of people to be passing through and moving about within the area often on foot, often congregating on street corners.

 

In Tremont, if you don't live there there aren't a lot of reasons to be "passing through".  AND if you don't know how to get there, it can be difficult to get in.

 

Abbey Rd and Clark are the only "normal" streets to get in...you can get off the highway or come up through the industrial valley but those aren't easy.  It was always fun having to give cab drivers and Avonites directions to Lolita or Fahrenheit.

 

7.  Steelyard is convenient to Tremont, but at least to me, never felt like it was part of Tremont.  It really felt no different than driving out to Ridge Rd in parma and shopping there.  It really isn't within comfortable walking distance of the neighborhood, especially if you are carrying anything.  It does save you  20 minutes to 1/2 an hour from having to drive further so it helps pretty much any/everyone that it is closer to such as downtown, ohio city and asiatown.

 

 

 

 

Hey I'm a city boy and my cousin lives in Tremont.  I get lost every time unless he, his wife or one of their kids meets me at West 25.

MTS from shaker SQ?

 

1)  Get on 490 at 55th...then get off at W. 7th.  Turn right and then left on either College, Literary, or Jefferson depending on where you want to end up.

 

2)  Get on the east shoreway at MLK.  go around Dead mans curve (stay on 71S/90W and not 77) and the first exit over the river bear left onto W. 14th st. for Tremont or right onto Abbey for Ohio City. 

 

FYI Abbey Rd Pretty much dead ends where the West side market is...when the street ends turn right and you are directly across from the parking lot across Lorain Rd.

 

The ultra swanky Velvet Tango room is at Abbey and Columbus.

MTS from shaker SQ?

 

1)  Get on 490 at 55th...then get off at W. 7th.  Turn right and then left on either College, Literary, or Jefferson depending on where you want to end up.

 

2)  Get on the east shoreway at MLK.  go around Dead mans curve (stay on 71S/90W and not 77) and the first exit over the river bear left onto W. 14th st. for Tremont or right onto Abbey for Ohio City. 

 

FYI Abbey Rd Pretty much dead ends where the West side market is...when the street ends turn right and you are directly across from the parking lot across Lorain Rd.

 

The ultra swanky Velvet Tango room is at Abbey and Columbus.

 

I don't drive.  I take the train to W 25. I either get picked up or walk.

ah...that 'splains it then.

 

it isn't a far walk, but it is a pretty lonely walk across the abbey rd bridge.  Visit the Velvet Tango room if you haven't already.

 

Can I ask what your purpose of this poll is? Are you planning to move to the area? Do you currently live in the area? What's up?

 

I'm not a resident but will answer from the point of a frequent visitor.

 

Hey this question is for all the people who live or have lived in Tremont since you know it the best.

Update: (ill add two more questions)

 

1. Which sections/streets do you find the best?

2. Which ones do you see needing more work?

3. Whats up with Tremont Pointe?

4. Is the neighborhood still progressing?

5. How is the crime in this area? Is it going down at all?

6. Why do many consider Tremont a better area then Ohio City. Is it because its more secluded from the bad areas? I'm just wondering

7. Do you think that the Steelyard Commons has helped the neighborhood?

[*]Honestly I like the whole neighborhood. Although I constantly get lost when going there.

[*]The area just west of the Tremont Tap house (is that Tremont or Ohio City?)

[*]They're nice for those downsizing or moving to a first/second home

[*]Progressing

[*]Not a resident but can't answer. But my cousin says he feels the area has gotten safe.

[*]I think they each section is unique yet compliment one another. As they improve and more people move in, we'll see less "division"

[*]My cousin thinks it's helped, but more could be done like partnerships with Tremont associations for landmarking/preservation and beautification.

 

I grew up on the east side and though I am somewhat familiar with the west side, I wanted to get some more information about it. I like to do research and to find out about different parts of cleveland and i know a lot of people on here live in Tremont so I decided to see what there views and opinions on it are. Also possibly down the line I might be interested in buying in the area, maybe settle down there. If only there was a strong school district I could move there sooner but thats not the case unfortunately.

What a lot of young families do is send their kids to Tremont Montessori, a CMSD school. It gets high marks and I have heard many good things about it. It's not as orthodox in its curriculum as, say, Ruffing Montessori, but it is of high quality.

Can I ask what your purpose of this poll is?  Are you planning to move to the area?  Do you currently live in the area?  What's up?

 

I'm not a resident but will answer from the point of a frequent visitor.

 

Hey this question is for all the people who live or have lived in Tremont since you know it the best.

Update: (ill add two more questions)

 

1. Which sections/streets do you find the best?

2. Which ones do you see needing more work?

3. Whats up with Tremont Pointe?

4. Is the neighborhood still progressing?

5. How is the crime in this area? Is it going down at all?

6. Why do many consider Tremont a better area then Ohio City. Is it because its more secluded from the bad areas? I'm just wondering

7. Do you think that the Steelyard Commons has helped the neighborhood?

 

[*]Honestly I like the whole neighborhood.  Although I constantly get lost when going there.

[*]The area just west of the Tremont Tap house (is that Tremont or Ohio City?)

[*]They're nice for those downsizing or moving to a first/second home

[*]Progressing

[*]Not a resident but can't answer.  But my cousin says he feels the area has gotten safe.

[*]I think they each section is unique yet compliment one another.  As they improve and more people move in, we'll see less "division"

[*]My cousin thinks it's helped, but more could be done like partnerships with Tremont associations for landmarking/preservation and beautification.

 

I grew up on the east side and though I am somewhat familiar with the west side, I wanted to get some more information about it. I like to do research and to find out about different parts of cleveland and i know a lot of people on here live in Tremont so I decided to see what there views and opinions on it are. Also possibly down the line I might be interested in buying in the area, maybe settle down there. If only there was a strong school district I could move there sooner but thats not the case unfortunately.

 

I think there are pocket schoold that are good to great.  But then again, it's more up to the parents in the community.

What a lot of young families do is send their kids to Tremont Montessori, a CMSD school. It gets high marks and I have heard many good things about it. It's not as orthodox in its curriculum as, say, Ruffing Montessori, but it is of high quality.

 

Elementary schools you can get by with...but then it's off to middle school where it can get dicey and then high school where it gets horrid.  Once you stop having kids in your school who are not influenced by the neighborhood the school is in, things go downhill quickly.

Elementary schools you can get by with...but then it's off to middle school where it can get dicey and then high school where it gets horrid.  Once you stop having kids in your school who are not influenced by the neighborhood the school is in, things go downhill quickly.

 

Just an FYI- Tremont Montessori is currently preK-8.  It's nowhere near capacity, so who's to say they couldn't add 9-12 in the future?  Besides, many children in Greater Cleveland go to private high schools, even in "good" districts.

 

6. Why do many consider Tremont a better area then Ohio City. Is it because its more secluded from the bad areas? I'm just wondering

7. Do you think that the Steelyard Commons has helped the neighborhood?

 

6.  Who does?  If people do, it's probably because there's more of a yuppie vibe.  As far as "bad areas" go, the Valleyview Homes were as notorious as any other housing project, and I think they left an impression on those people that judge neighborhoods by such things.

7.  Definitely.  Can't wait for phase II, and I'm not being facetious.