March 3, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, roman totale XVII said: Fantastic! I often walk down Columbus and I’ve always thought that 1720 would make a great apartment conversion. I hope they keep and restore the wonderful window decorations. From the article in Crain's: The architects "outlined how the project would restore the building's exteriors, preserve window casements and even repair two unused chimneys that are part of the complex." All great news! https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/realife-looks-build-apartments-cleveland-flats?utm_source=afternoon-report&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20220303&utm_content=article1-headline There's also an additional rendering - looks nice and fits the industrial aesthetic of the area.
March 3, 20223 yr Good timing! I just replaced two of the images in my article. I used the one above and this one too (with modifications so it didn't take up so much space).... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 3, 20223 yr I love this news and this project. It makes me really wish that the old brick buildings along the Towpath trail (on Scranton) could find a similar use...
March 4, 20223 yr Love the plan. Just like with the Pearl though, based on their lack of any new building construction thus far, I'm skeptical Realife can pull this off. They do seem to have deep pockets though, and seem to have had success with existing properties though. This and Pearl would sure be some great projects for them to break into new builds.
March 4, 20223 yr Just saw the tidbit about only 5 parking spaces but 30 bike spaces. That is a phenomenal precedent to set. I know some people that are up-in-arms about this, but it frankly makes no sense. If you're don't want to live there why would it matter how many spaces are available?
March 4, 20223 yr 17 hours ago, urbanetics_ said: From the article in Crain's: The architects "outlined how the project would restore the building's exteriors, preserve window casements and even repair two unused chimneys that are part of the complex." All great news! https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/realife-looks-build-apartments-cleveland-flats?utm_source=afternoon-report&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20220303&utm_content=article1-headline That article also says "James Asimes, director of acquisitions for Realife, told the committee that the development team wanted to "move at a speed" that wouldn't have been possible if it pursued Ohio State Historic and Federal Historic Preservation Tax Credits." Really? That makes me a little suspicious. Everybody else seems willing to wait years to get a bit more tax help. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
March 4, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Dougal said: That article also says "James Asimes, director of acquisitions for Realife, told the committee that the development team wanted to "move at a speed" that wouldn't have been possible if it pursued Ohio State Historic and Federal Historic Preservation Tax Credits." Really? That makes me a little suspicious. Everybody else seems willing to wait years to get a bit more tax help. Suspicious of what?
March 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Htsguy said: Suspicious of what? The source of the funds. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
March 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Dougal said: That article also says "James Asimes, director of acquisitions for Realife, told the committee that the development team wanted to "move at a speed" that wouldn't have been possible if it pursued Ohio State Historic and Federal Historic Preservation Tax Credits." Really? That makes me a little suspicious. Everybody else seems willing to wait years to get a bit more tax help. Just a speculation, if they build fast and get done before some projects across the river they may be able to fill the building before supply is flooded?
March 4, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, Dougal said: That article also says "James Asimes, director of acquisitions for Realife, told the committee that the development team wanted to "move at a speed" that wouldn't have been possible if it pursued Ohio State Historic and Federal Historic Preservation Tax Credits." Really? That makes me a little suspicious. Everybody else seems willing to wait years to get a bit more tax help. Based on that statement, I would strongly suspect they are going to make some alterations that take them out of the running for historical credits.
March 4, 20223 yr I explored using historic credits on a project that had rehab, partial demolition and new construction and Ohio said no-go. May be possible but would be significant delay (which costs $$) for limited upside and lots of paperwork plus restrictions on design. Not using credits should be viewed as a good thing, these projects can fund themselves without additional government money!
March 4, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, Dougal said: That article also says "James Asimes, director of acquisitions for Realife, told the committee that the development team wanted to "move at a speed" that wouldn't have been possible if it pursued Ohio State Historic and Federal Historic Preservation Tax Credits." Really? That makes me a little suspicious. Everybody else seems willing to wait years to get a bit more tax help. You can easily be tied up for a year or longer with historic tax credits. That's assuming you get approved with your first submittal. If you can build it an lease it a year's worth of rent can go a long way. The good news is that it looks like tax credit allocation in Ohio will double for the next two years. Fingers crossed!
March 9, 20223 yr I don't think they can alter the buildings like proposed and expect to qualify for Historic Tax Credits.
March 9, 20223 yr On 3/3/2022 at 4:37 PM, KJP said: Good timing! I just replaced two of the images in my article. I used the one above and this one too (with modifications so it didn't take up so much space).... I love this! I love adaptive reuse buildings! I hope this turns out to be unique and well received!
March 14, 20223 yr 55 minutes ago, freethink said: Some images of the proposed Foundry boardwalk. Where did these images come from? Is the document these images come from accessible?
March 14, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, Ethan said: Where did these images come from? Is the document these images come from accessible? A large file, somewhere around slide 250 https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/drcagenda/2022/PDF/CPC-presentation-01-22-2022.pdf
March 14, 20223 yr On 3/3/2022 at 2:55 PM, surfohio said: Glad to see the preservation. I love that little block. Not too crazy about universal height, but looking forward to seeing how things progress. In the late 70s, I used to go to a club called Jicky's in the triangular building on the end. That part of the Flats was a bit frightening back then.
March 15, 20223 yr Not sure I’ve seen this mentioned before(?). Indoor golf and bar place coming to Center Street in a few weeks. https://westbankgolfclub.com My hovercraft is full of eels
March 15, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: Not sure I’ve seen this mentioned before(?). Indoor golf and bar place coming to Center Street in a few weeks. https://westbankgolfclub.com Is this the old Tenk Machine building? This looks cool!
March 15, 20223 yr 23 minutes ago, marty15 said: Is this the old Tenk Machine building? This looks cool! Yeah, it'll be in the portion of the building on the corner of Center and Washington
March 15, 20223 yr Anything the brings a different kind of activity other than eating and drinking is a welcome addition. The best way to create an active neighborhood is a diversity of activities.
April 12, 20223 yr Yeah, it just landed. I think it's heading over to the SHW site to join the other cranes.
April 12, 20223 yr The developers of this project have already opened a file at Building & Housing to submit building permit applications... On 3/1/2022 at 12:42 PM, KJP said: Flats apartment project wins BZA nod By Ken Prendergast / March 1, 2022 A proposed renovation of two historic, decayed buildings in the Flats cleared another hurdle yesterday when Cleveland’s Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA) unanimously approved a variance from having to strictly adhere to parking requirements in the city’s building code. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/03/01/flats-apartment-project-wins-bza-nod/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 12, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Does anyone have eyes on this crane and what it’s doing? @BoomerangCleRes looks like it could have been the crane at the power house.
April 13, 20223 yr 19 hours ago, Agreene said: @BoomerangCleRes looks like it could have been the crane at the power house. What is going on here?
April 13, 20223 yr The crane is lifting new HVAC equipment on to the roof of the Powerhouse. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 13, 20223 yr 42 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Resurfacing the lot too? Related to the general site improvements for Nautica, mostly focused on the stage and boardwalk area. 18 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Maybe getting it ready for the Flats West Bank development? What development? Nothing is planned. The land is still for sale... https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/Main-Avenue-Sycamore-St-Cleveland-OH/18769628/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 19, 20223 yr West Bank Golf Club set to open soon in Cleveland’s Flats Published: Apr. 19, 2022, 5:30 a.m. By Marc Bona, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio – A trio of business owners are planning to open the West Bank Golf Club in Cleveland’s Flats this month. Planned opening date for the simulators and bar at 2111 Center St. is Friday, April 29. Gabe Adams, Jay Graham and Jim Basar began making the idea a reality a year ago. https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2022/04/west-bank-golf-club-set-to-open-soon-in-clevelands-flats.html
April 20, 20223 yr Love it and l don't even play golf. Diversifying activities is the way to go. This may be a little thing but when added to the other activities already in the Flats it increases foot traffic. Working toward a critical mass one step at a time
April 20, 20223 yr 19 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: West Bank Golf Club set to open soon in Cleveland’s Flats Published: Apr. 19, 2022, 5:30 a.m. By Marc Bona, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio – A trio of business owners are planning to open the West Bank Golf Club in Cleveland’s Flats this month. Planned opening date for the simulators and bar at 2111 Center St. is Friday, April 29. Gabe Adams, Jay Graham and Jim Basar began making the idea a reality a year ago. https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2022/04/west-bank-golf-club-set-to-open-soon-in-clevelands-flats.html Nice! This is something I will definately frequent!
April 22, 20223 yr This should be a welcome addition! https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2022/04/two-story-mural-coming-to-the-foundry-in-clevelands-flats.html CLEVELAND, Ohio – Soon, the view for the Foundry Community Rowing and Sailing Center rowers who slice their way along the Cuyahoga River will become a bit more scenic. Detroit artist Pat Perry is painting a two-story tall, 150-foot mural on the Big House, one of the buildings on the Foundry’s campus in Cleveland’s Flats. Perry is scheduled to work on the art through at least Saturday, April 30. ...
April 23, 20223 yr This should be a welcome addition! https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2022/04/two-story-mural-coming-to-the-foundry-in-clevelands-flats.html CLEVELAND, Ohio – Soon, the view for the Foundry Community Rowing and Sailing Center rowers who slice their way along the Cuyahoga River will become a bit more scenic. Detroit artist Pat Perry is painting a two-story tall, 150-foot mural on the Big House, one of the buildings on the Foundry’s campus in Cleveland’s Flats. Perry is scheduled to work on the art through at least Saturday, April 30. ... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
April 24, 20223 yr Love that Cleveland is embracing its artistic side - it’s always been there, but it seems we’re more open to its possibilities than before - and giving artists more opportunities. Let the trend continue and here’s to a more beautiful city! Edited April 24, 20223 yr by CleveFan
April 24, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, CleveFan said: Love that Cleveland is embracing its artistic side - it’s always been there, but it seems we’re more open to its possibilities than before - and giving artists more opportunities. Let the trend continue and here’s to a more beautiful city! Agreed, I love this trend and hope it continues! I hope the next trend is embracing and propping up the local music scene. Maybe I'm just missing them but there seem to shockingly few restaurants and bars in downtown and the near west side that will regularly bring in singer/songwriter type people (or bands) to play while people are eating/drinking. (Beerhead seems like it might be doing this more often on peak nights, and I know of Wilbert's, honestly I'd love it if some replied in the appropriate thread with a list) There may be an opportunity for a more musically focused district somewhere in the Flats, maybe in the west or south banks? Our own mini version of Austin's E6th street, Broadway in Nashville, or Bourbon Street in New Orleans. That is, if other restaurants/bars don't pick up on the demand beforehand and start bringing in music.
April 26, 20223 yr “Bobby George has big plans for Old River Road in the Flats, complete with apartments, ‘biology upgrading center’” https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2022/04/bobby-george-has-big-plans-for-old-river-road-in-the-flats-complete-with-apartments-biology-upgrading-center.html “Bobby George wants to convert a sleepy stretch of road on the east bank of the Flats along the Cuyahoga River into a vibrant street, complete with apartments, nightlife and a wellness space touted as “biology upgrading center.” “The developer and restaurateur, working with the Cleveland-based GBX Group, has taken initial steps to make that vision a reality along Old River Road in a prime yet aging area on the riverfront.” … “When it is finished, George boasted that Old River Road “will no longer sleepy. It will be one of the most-talked about entertainment districts in the Midwest. I think you know how I do things.”” When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
April 26, 20223 yr "It will be one of the most-talked about entertainment districts in the Midwest." Sounds just what guys like Bernie Moreno and Ezra Stark would say before bailing on the project altogether.
April 26, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: "It will be one of the most-talked about entertainment districts in the Midwest." Sounds just what guys like Bernie Moreno and Ezra Stark would say before bailing on the project altogether. Wow, is that a Ferrari Tower** reference?! Talk about a niche blast-from-the-past! **Unbelievably, now, only the third most far-fetched venture Moreno has pursued in Ohio.
April 26, 20223 yr "... I think you know how I do things." By far my favorite quote because, taken literally, it means a couple of things: 1) that he's going to extort and intentionally delay an adjacent, community-based project, or 2) that he's going to cure all pre-existing conditions with bone broth whilst pedaling alcoholic beverages.
April 26, 20223 yr Hopefully someone with more knowledge than me can help me figure this out: wouldn't an entire new entertainment district take away business from the current ones in the city (Flats, E. 4th, Ohio City, etc.)? I mean, Cleveland's population is not that big and the more bars/restaurants that pop up will simply thin everything out. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this boom we are seeing and want it to continue. It just seems like common sense that the more places that open, the less busy everywhere will end up being. Unless of course we start seeing a population growth.
April 26, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: Hopefully someone with more knowledge than me can help me figure this out: wouldn't an entire new entertainment district take away business from the current ones in the city (Flats, E. 4th, Ohio City, etc.)? I mean, Cleveland's population is not that big and the more bars/restaurants that pop up will simply thin everything out. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this boom we are seeing and want it to continue. It just seems like common sense that the more places that open, the less busy everywhere will end up being. Unless of course we start seeing a population growth. I share your concern to an extent. However, while the population of Cleveland as a whole is stagnant, the population growth of the adjacent neighborhoods is explosive. To your point, at least a portion of this business has to come from suburban folks... but I think the regular flow of business will be local residents. That population base wasn't available circa 2008-2010 when the Flats, E 4th, and Warehouse District were at odds and competing for growth.
April 26, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, GREGinPARMA said: Hopefully someone with more knowledge than me can help me figure this out: wouldn't an entire new entertainment district take away business from the current ones in the city (Flats, E. 4th, Ohio City, etc.)? I mean, Cleveland's population is not that big and the more bars/restaurants that pop up will simply thin everything out. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this boom we are seeing and want it to continue. It just seems like common sense that the more places that open, the less busy everywhere will end up being. Unless of course we start seeing a population growth. We are seeing population growth among the working-age adult population, both in the city and countywide. Both are being offset by the departure of families with children and attrition of older people due to natural deaths. Neither of those shrinking demographic groups are target markets for this development. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 26, 20223 yr Developer aside, the renderings look really good. For the sake of Cleveland I hope this succeeds. 1 hour ago, GREGinPARMA said: Hopefully someone with more knowledge than me can help me figure this out: wouldn't an entire new entertainment district take away business from the current ones in the city (Flats, E. 4th, Ohio City, etc.)? I mean, Cleveland's population is not that big and the more bars/restaurants that pop up will simply thin everything out. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this boom we are seeing and want it to continue. It just seems like common sense that the more places that open, the less busy everywhere will end up being. Unless of course we start seeing a population growth. This seems to me to be an extension of FEB, not in competition with it. I'm hoping it serves as connecting tissue to Settlers Landing and is symbiotic with all of the east bank. There is a boardwalk in the renderings, which would be huge and is alignment with the vision for the valley.
April 26, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Ethan said: Developer aside, the renderings look really good. For the sake of Cleveland I hope this succeeds. This seems to me to be an extension of FEB, not in competition with it. I'm hoping it serves as connecting tissue to Settlers Landing and is symbiotic with all of the east bank. There is a boardwalk in the renderings, which would be huge and is alignment with the vision for the valley. The pedestrian-focused walkway looks great too
April 26, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, GREGinPARMA said: Hopefully someone with more knowledge than me can help me figure this out: wouldn't an entire new entertainment district take away business from the current ones in the city (Flats, E. 4th, Ohio City, etc.)? I mean, Cleveland's population is not that big and the more bars/restaurants that pop up will simply thin everything out. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this boom we are seeing and want it to continue. It just seems like common sense that the more places that open, the less busy everywhere will end up being. Unless of course we start seeing a population growth. Honestly, I think the answer is yes, at least to a degree. But that's OK. No neighborhood should be guaranteed to be the hot entertainment spot indefinitely. So if East 4th or FEB want to stay on top, they're going to have to compete.
April 26, 20223 yr 49 minutes ago, Ethan said: This seems to me to be an extension of FEB, not in competition with it. Right. FEB is disjointed currently. It will be nice to see that resolved.
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