This development really has me conflicted. The bad things I know about George come from site's like this. I'm sure they're true because there is so much smoke there has to be fire too. Plus there is that d*ck move of his to buy that dilapidated property on the hillside where a phenomenal park is planned. Holding up the park for a higher price than that corner lot is worth is a smart business move but also says alot about his character. 

 

Now we have what looks like an amazing plan for that long neglected section of Old River Rd. If it wasn't Bobby George behind it we would all be jumping for joy. If it DOES come to fruition as shown in the plans I guess I'll just hold my nose and smile because while George does stink that plan certainly doesn't. 

1 hour ago, X said:

 No neighborhood should be guaranteed to be the hot entertainment spot indefinitely.  So if East 4th or FEB want to stay on top, they're going to have to compete.

I'm puzzled by what a "biology enhancing center" is.  Senior citizens crumbling away as slowly as possible or picture-window views of young folks execising in Spandex? I'm guessing the latter; but the more health-oriented it is, the less it will compete with other downtown locations.

^ Sounds like a load of BS to me.
As I get more advanced in years, my body seems to enhance itself quite naturally. It’s probably 20% more enhanced than it was 10 years ago. 

@roman totale XVIIcan you share a little about your techniques?  I’m available by private message so that we’re not endangering the thread. 

Tom Lix, CEO of Cleveland whiskey, on an update on the progress of their new building in the south flats

“the facility itself, we’ve finally reached an agreement with a general contractor who’s started some of the necessary ripping out of old systems and ordering materials ranging from roofing to electrical conduit and ventilation equipment. I’m not ready to announce an opening date quite yet but we have booked our first wedding (December). “

13 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

The pedestrian-focused walkway looks great too

It looks like Bobby has been inspired by his Townhall Short North neighborhood. I wouldn’t be upset if this plays out.

Cleveland Whiskey finally submits its interior renovation permit application for 601 Stones Levee Rd. Proposed is $200,000 worth of improvements for a 5,382 SF work area. Submitting it was Hengst Streff Bajko Architects and Engineers (also in the Flats -- on Old River Rd).

I can't go....

 

Neighbors,

Please join us tomorrow with Cleveland City Councilman McCormack and Jim Haviland from Flats Forward to learn about and provide input on design plans for Heritage Park II which is located in our neighborhood in the West Bank of The Flats.

When? Tomorrow, May 25, 2022 @ 6pm
Where? Windows on the River, in the City View Room located on the 2nd Floor inside the Nautica Entertainment Complex.
Refreshments of water, coffee, and soda will be provided.

Waterfront District Block Club
Mike Rogalski & Logan Garrels

47 minutes ago, KJP said:

I can't go....

 

Neighbors,

Please join us tomorrow with Cleveland City Councilman McCormack and Jim Haviland from Flats Forward to learn about and provide input on design plans for Heritage Park II which is located in our neighborhood in the West Bank of The Flats.

When? Tomorrow, May 25, 2022 @ 6pm
Where? Windows on the River, in the City View Room located on the 2nd Floor inside the Nautica Entertainment Complex.
Refreshments of water, coffee, and soda will be provided.

Waterfront District Block Club
Mike Rogalski & Logan Garrels

Has this park been talked about before?  I’m not really sure where it could go on the West Bank.  Could this be what they’re calling a potential park on the viaduct?

1 hour ago, acd said:

Has this park been talked about before?  I’m not really sure where it could go on the West Bank.  Could this be what they’re calling a potential park on the viaduct?

 

Found this:

Heritage Park II

Intersection of Riberbed St. and Elm St.

https://www.clevelandohio.gov/node/167868

 

And this:

CLEAVELAND HERITAGE PARKS, located on the east and west banks of the Cuyahoga River near Center St., commemorate the early history of the city. Initiated by the WOMEN'S CITY CLUB, the 4-year project culminated in the opening of Heritage Park I on the east bank of the river 4 July 1976, which featured a replica of LORENZO CARTER's cabin. On the west bank of the river, Heritage Park II, with gazebo and boardwalks, opened in June 1981. Cleveland's Parks Dept. administers and maintains the 2 parks, and the River's Bend Park Corp., founded in 1981, organized activities and information to promote them.

 

https://case.edu/ech/articles/c/cleaveland-heritage-parks

3 hours ago, acd said:

Has this park been talked about before?  I’m not really sure where it could go on the West Bank.  Could this be what they’re calling a potential park on the viaduct?

Also page 4 of this: https://canalwaypartners.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Towpath-Trailhead-Greening_11.16.20.pdf

 

 

4 hours ago, KJP said:

I can't go....

 

Neighbors,

Please join us tomorrow with Cleveland City Councilman McCormack and Jim Haviland from Flats Forward to learn about and provide input on design plans for Heritage Park II which is located in our neighborhood in the West Bank of The Flats.

When? Tomorrow, May 25, 2022 @ 6pm
Where? Windows on the River, in the City View Room located on the 2nd Floor inside the Nautica Entertainment Complex.
Refreshments of water, coffee, and soda will be provided.

Waterfront District Block Club
Mike Rogalski & Logan Garrels

 

Will this be recorded or at least have minutes? I won't be able to attend but am very interested in this project along with the rest of the Canal Basin Park

Recently spent some time in FEB and thought, man, how great would it be if the surface lots across from Punchbowl Social and along Front Avenue got developed. Any plans for this? Also, was astounded at the lines for some of the bars. That area could use more bars on the weekend for sure. What's it like during the week? 

^ I’m not down there all the time, but I’d say during the week they are definitely quieter, although still busy as we get into summer. The only place that seems to have cracked the code for constant, bustling, all year ‘round business is Beerhead. 

1 hour ago, roman totale XVII said:

^ I’m not down there all the time, but I’d say during the week they are definitely quieter, although still busy as we get into summer. The only place that seems to have cracked the code for constant, bustling, all year ‘round business is Beerhead. 

Their regular live music probably has something to do with it. There arent many places at all downtown/flats/OHC/Tremont that have regular live music. Not including concert venues. 

 

Edison’s is the only other place I can think of. We should probably address this. Rock hall city and all.

Edited May 24, 20223 yr by marty15

23 hours ago, marty15 said:

Their regular live music probably has something to do with it. There arent many places at all downtown/flats/OHC/Tremont that have regular live music. Not including concert venues. 

 

Edison’s is the only other place I can think of. We should probably address this. Rock hall city and all.

 

Are you not counting Coda ? Plus, Cent's PIzza has some shows occasionally

2 hours ago, skorasaurus said:

 

Are you not counting Coda ? Plus, Cent's PIzza has some shows occasionally

I would count Coda as a concert venue that charges admission. Had no idea Cent’s does.

To add to what I posted about The Pearl in the Tremont thread, I also just came across a filing by Realife with the city for The Pine development on Columbus Road. A refresher:

https://neo-trans.blog/2022/03/03/the-pine-to-grow-on-flats-columbus-rd-peninsula/

 

Lots of extremely detailed design schematics in the 62-page phase 1 zoning submittal by their architect Berardi Partners. If they're trying to pump up the value for one or both properties (Pine and Pearl) for resale, Realife is going to extreme lengths to do so. I think they're legitimately trying to develop these sites. Can they? We shall see.....

 

From Sunday; anyone know what’s going in here?
 

 

3 hours ago, MayDay said:

From Sunday; anyone know what’s going in here?
 

 

 

According to a similar shot from the Port it's part of the oleo oil bulk transfer system they are building.  Ships will offload the oleo oil direct to rail tamker cars.

Work on the boardwalk/boat launch at Rivergate park from 6/13/22.

 

Edited June 17, 20222 yr by infrafreak

From the Metroparks Agenda:

 

Marlin has agreed to sell the ± 1.1-acre property via fee simple title for $4,000,000. Cleveland Metroparks will work to secure outside funding and other creative sources to help fund the acquisition, but the acquisition will not be contingent upon being awarded such funds. Staff will come back to the Board to finalize any potential grant application(s) in the coming months and is currently exploring other partnerships to help preserve the Marlin Property, up to and including seeking a partner to assign a partial interest in the purchase agreement for the non-riverfront portion of the Marlin Property for future development. Acquisition of the Marlin Property would further the vision of connecting Rivergate Park and Flats East Bank along the Cuyahoga River for public access and enjoyment for future generations.

 

 

Also this:

 

 

The first one we already knew about, but it hasn't been confirmed for a while since its initial report. The second isn't too much of a surprise, and I think there's been some rumors about it, but I'm very excited about it. The Metropark's involvement is obviously a good sign for anyone interested in quality trails and green space!

 

(Also seeing the added land to Rivergate park makes me think that British St. aught to be closed, it serves no purpose, and I'm sure the metroparks could make more use of the newly acquired space if it were continuous.)

Metroparks slowly turning that whole peninsula into one giant park lol

12 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said:

Metroparks slowly turning that whole peninsula into one giant park lol

 

I have no problems with that!

Hopefully that “giant park”

soon has a number of  beautiful high rise residential towers looking down at it. 

3 minutes ago, CleveFan said:

Hopefully that “giant park”

soon has a number of  beautiful high rise residential towers looking down at it. 

We've seen with the development around Edgewater that people like to live around medium to large sized parks, I say Go Metroparks, Go!

 

At this point the abandoned grain craft mill is the only property standing in the way of a long contiguous riverfront park. 

I think "Cleveland Center" is one of Cleveland's most interesting historic areas.  I'd like to see that preserved and thoughtfully expanded upon.  I hope it does not turn into a giant park.

The Catanese building could go to open up the waterfront. But they better leave the corner buildings alone across the street. 

47 minutes ago, YO to the CLE said:

The Catanese building could go to open up the waterfront. But they better leave the corner buildings alone across the street. 

Would hate to see wholesale clearing of remaining structures on the peninsula. Would love it to be a residential neighborhood with great waterfront access. Also, would love to see an adaptive reuse of the silos, like the Quaker silos in Akron. And the portion of the Cantanese complex at the corner of Center and Merwin would make such a cool restaurant venue, with the patio overlooking the swing bridge. 

Edited June 16, 20222 yr by marty15

I love a good park, but this area has the potential to be a really cool neighborhood. I like the Marlin property acquisition as a means to keep riverfront property public, but the property off the river should be sold off for private development. Roll that money into another land acquisition or capital improvements. 

Edited June 16, 20222 yr by Luke_S

2 minutes ago, Luke_S said:

I love a good park, but this area has the potential to be a really cool neighborhood. I like the Marlin property acquisition as a means to keep riverfront property public, but the property off the river should be sold off for private development. Roll that money into another land acquisition or capital improvements. 

And the infrastructure and street grid is largely already there, unlike Scranton. 

Agreed. There will be plenty off park space with Irishtown Bend and Canal Basin.  The city needs POPULATION, and this would be a fantastic neighborhood.

It isn't like Cleveland is hurting for good land to build housing on. Between the abundant surface lots and neighborhoods in need of rejuvenation, there is plenty of space to expand the housing stock. What Cleveland needs is more draw. Parks are a draw, people like to live near well maintained parks, the bigger the park the bigger the draw. See what happened with Edgewater, or Billionaire's row across from Central Park.

 

Adding more park space won't work in opposition to adding density, but rather in conjunction. 

16 minutes ago, Ethan said:

It isn't like Cleveland is hurting for good land to build housing on. Between the abundant surface lots and neighborhoods in need of rejuvenation, there is plenty of space to expand the housing stock. What Cleveland needs is more draw. Parks are a draw, people like to live near well maintained parks, the bigger the park the bigger the draw. See what happened with Edgewater, or Billionaire's row across from Central Park.

 

Adding more park space won't work in opposition to adding density, but rather in conjunction. 

 

I don't disagree, but at a certain point you're going to get diminishing returns. Edgewater on the westside, planned CHEERS expansion on the east, and Irishtown Bend centrally I think some smaller parks integrated into the neighborhoods makes a lot of sense. 

21 minutes ago, Luke_S said:

 

I don't disagree, but at a certain point you're going to get diminishing returns. Edgewater on the westside, planned CHEERS expansion on the east, and Irishtown Bend centrally I think some smaller parks integrated into the neighborhoods makes a lot of sense. 

I agree. Big parks are nice but the a small garden or playground can make a neighborhood 

again.....two HUGE parks are bordering this area.  WE NEED PEOPLE and people want to live in cool areas.  This would be a very cool neighborhood

^ And Wendy Park is a stone's throw from here too. Columbus Pensinsula has a ready-made street grid for a very unique neighborhood. I hope that's the focus for the remaining properties.

I'm not exactly sure what is defined as the Flats, but this is right next to Kingsbury Run:

 

Please move if this is not the right place. 

 

 

 

Zaclon River Landing awarded Brownfield grant, hopes to begin demolition this summer

Published: Jun. 23, 2022, 2:42 p.m.

By Megan Sims, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Zaclon River Landing Project has received much needed funding from the Ohio Brownfield Remediation Program that will go a long way to bring their vision of a safer riverfront to life.

 

On Friday, the Zaclon River Landing project announced that it was awarded over $800,000 from the Brownfield program, which was just a portion of the $50 million awarded to several local entities. Aaron Marcovy, the project coordinator, noted that this funding will help accelerate the project.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/06/zaclon-river-landing-awarded-brownfield-grant-hopes-to-begin-demolition-this-summer.html

 

 

Edited June 23, 20222 yr by MuRrAy HiLL

I saw their demo request was filed with the city in the last day or two, but it looks like an industrial project.

Forget if there’s a south flats thread but here’s an update from Cleveland Whiskey stating they’ve bought the neighboring building to pair with their existing project:

“we signed a long-term lease on a historic building in the Flats a while back. We’re in the middle of putting in the plumbing, electrical, a new roof, a sprinkler system, and of course, writing a lot of checks. I’d always wanted to buy it but at the time, the landlord didn’t want to sell.

That’s changed. We’re not only buying 601 Stones Levee but a bigger parcel that includes the neighboring building at 501, as well as the space in between which is pretty exciting in and of itself. It’s an old red brick city street, decommissioned years ago and now something we’ll ultimately use for concerts, special events, outdoor dining, maybe some weddings, and who knows what else.”

Are fixing and reopening Stones Levee past of this?

Are fixing and reopening Stones Levee past of this?

I would guess that would be the cities purview and I don’t remember hearing anything about it in the public meetings this project has been a part of

Cleveland Whiskey seems like they have the potential to be such a solid anchor tenant! I know they're new to the hospitality business, and I'm actually not enthralled with their whiskey. But they seem to have the money, and they clearly really believe in the location! I'm excited for their eventual opening!

19 minutes ago, Ethan said:

Cleveland Whiskey seems like they have the potential to be such a solid anchor tenant! I know they're new to the hospitality business, and I'm actually not enthralled with their whiskey. But they seem to have the money, and they clearly really believe in the location! I'm excited for their eventual opening!

 

Hope you are correct sir! Getting some real sim city vibes with all the potential of that stretch. 

1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

That’s changed. We’re not only buying 601 Stones Levee but a bigger parcel that includes the neighboring building at 501, as well as the space in between which is pretty exciting in and of itself. It’s an old red brick city street, decommissioned years ago…

Formerly Toronto Street

The bridges will make a pretty cool backdrop for a stage. Love the picture he painted. And the old inner belt bridge on GSV!

From their IG

 

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, freethink said:

From their IG

 

 

 

 

Thanks for sharing, was literally just thinking about this project.  Can’t wait to have a pour there!  🥃

 

Historic buildings to be razed in Flats
By Ken Prendergast / November 3, 2022

 

A row of buildings along Columbus Road in the Flats is due to be razed in the coming weeks by an active, local real estate developer. But there is no plan to replace buildings, including two from the 19th century that stand in a nationally registered historic district. Instead, according to a partner at the property’s owner, Integrity Realty Group (IRG) of Beachwood, the contiguous buildings would be demolished to keep them from falling down on innocent passersby. No structural analysis was included in the owner’s demolition requests to the city.

 

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https://neo-trans.blog/2022/11/03/historic-buildings-to-be-razed-in-flats/