November 5, 201410 yr Well this should bring some activity to this street. As pictured in this photo from Dumbledore[/member] this area, that looks like a 60's movie set all within feet of the FEB development can use any help it can get. Interesting to note that a majority of those buildings are still owned by that cell phone store guy who must be looking for a big payday. I can't believe he is not getting any offers with the way buildings are being snapped up. Roc Bar to Re-open in December Posted By Jeff Niesel on Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:47 AM click to enlarge There was a time when the East Bank of the Flats was a rock concert destination and featured a variety of nightclubs and concert venues. Gregg Kelley, a former Scene sales rep with a background in concert promotion, hopes to bring back that aspect of the Flats. Next month, he’ll start booking shows at Roc Bar, a 250-capacity club that once hosted local and national rock acts. Angela White will manage the bar. If things go well, Kelley says he'll start booking the old Odeon, a thriving rock venue throughout the ’90s. Mike Tricarichi, president of Telecom Acquisition Corp., owns both the Odeon and Rock Bar. http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/11/04/roc-bar-to-re-open-in-december
November 5, 201410 yr ^ Two more live music venues? I'd be very surprised if they could gain any foothold at all.
November 5, 201410 yr ^ Two more live music venues? I'd be very surprised if they could gain any foothold at all. Agreed. Talk about oversaturated!
November 5, 201410 yr ^ Two more live music venues? I'd be very surprised if they could gain any foothold at all. Agreed. Talk about oversaturated! Just wait if the casino ever adds one downtown. That will mess up the market for sure.
November 6, 201410 yr ^ Two more live music venues? I'd be very surprised if they could gain any foothold at all. Agreed. Talk about oversaturated! Just wait if the casino ever adds one downtown. That will mess up the market for sure. Funny you mentioned casino because I didn't even think of the HRC Casino in Northfield when I wrote my comment. To be fair, however, it seems like more and more events in CLE are smaller scale and not arena/stadium sized shows...so there should be plenty of events to go around.
November 13, 201410 yr New Cleveland entertainment-recreation area gets more exciting with opening of Crooked River Skate Park and Brick and Barrel winery-brewery By John Petkovic, The Plain Dealer on November 13, 2014 at 6:00 AM, updated November 13, 2014 at 12:58 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- We associate entertainment districts with things you can buy – hubs of consumption where you go for a beer, food, maybe a game, some shopping. Slowly and surely, a very different kind entertainment area has been taking shape along Columbus Road. Welcome to Rivergate Park, a 2.8-acre area just north of the Columbus Road Bridge and Hoopples bar. It's one of Cleveland's most unique combinations of industrial and natural environments – a stellar mix of bridges and wild greenery. For years, the biggest reason to go there was Hoopples, one of the area's best dive bars – an old-school joint with a great view of the city. You heard of Hoopples long before you heard of Rivergate Park. Then came the July opening of Merwin's Wharf, a full-on eatery owned by the Cleveland Metroparks that sits along the Cuyahoga River. It provides a stellar view of scenery and is part of a new direction that will wed recreation and entertainment. http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2014/11/new_cleveland_entertainment_re.html
November 13, 201410 yr ^ Can't wait til they get the bridge straightened out. And I still find it particularly amusing that the owner of Sainatos Pizza opposed the skate park.
November 20, 201410 yr FYI.... Columbus Road Bridge reopening pushed back again http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,16444.msg734253.html#msg734253 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 18, 201410 yr Win some and lose a big one: Cleveland-area preservation projects receive funding, Cincinnati takes main prize By STAN BULLARD Originally Published: December 18, 2014 2:06 PM Modified: December 18, 2014 3:23 PM Conversions of the old Cleveland Board of Education Building to a Drury Plaza Hotel, and of the Standard Building near Public Square to a mixed-use project with apartments, both received maximum $5 million state Historic Preservation Tax Credit awards from the Ohio Department of Development Services.... 1736 Columbus Road (Cleveland) Total project cost: $1,089,358 Total tax credit: $209,281 Address: 1736 Columbus Road, 44113 Located in the new Cleveland Centre National Register Historic District, the unassuming 1736 Columbus Road property has a long industrial history. The brick building is currently vacant and will receive upgrades to adapt the structure for use as office space. A local architecture firm already has signed on to occupy the entire property. __________ Hubbard Cooke Building (Cleveland) Total project cost: $4,474,290 Total tax credit: $555,000 Address: 2220 Superior Viaduct, 44113 The Hubbard Cooke Building was completed in 1892 as the first of two sister buildings designed by Lehman and Schmidt architects. A mixed-use redevelopment is now planned for the structure and will incorporate 13 market-rate apartments and space for four commerical tenants, including a restaurant. MORE: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20141218/FREE/141219830/win-some-and-lose-a-big-one-cleveland-area-preservation-projects "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 3, 201510 yr With the reopening of the Columbus Road bridge this past week, the Columbus Road Peninsula/Cleveland Centre Historic District isn't going to stay a "secret" much longer. I drove from downtown to Ohio City across the reopened bridge and was surprised to see how much is already going on in this area. Several restaurants are already open near the bridge: Sainato's Restaurant, Merwin’s Wharf and another I missed. There's several buildings already under renovation and more coming, such as 1736 Columbus Road to be renovated for offices, 1720 Columbus (Ohio Burial Case Co.) being renovated for who-knows-what, plus Rivergate Park with its new skate park. And now that the road has reopened and the area is a designated historic district, that could pump new tax credits to capitalize more projects. So now that the bridge is open again, I would expect even more activity in this area soon. Hopefully that includes some new construction on the parking lot on the river-side of Columbus Road, north of the Flats Industrial RR lift bridge. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 3, 201510 yr With the reopening of the Columbus Road bridge this past week, the Columbus Road Peninsula/Cleveland Centre Historic District isn't going to stay a "secret" much longer. I drove from downtown to Ohio City across the reopened bridge and was surprised to see how much is already going on in this area. Several restaurants are already open near the bridge: Sainato's Restaurant, Merwin’s Wharf and another I missed. There's several buildings already under renovation and more coming, such as 1736 Columbus Road to be renovated for offices, 1720 Columbus (Ohio Burial Case Co.) being renovated for who-knows-what, plus Rivergate Park with its new skate park. And now that the road has reopened and the area is a designated historic district, that could pump new tax credits to capitalize more projects. So now that the bridge is open again, I would expect even more activity in this area soon. Hopefully that includes some new construction on the parking lot on the river-side of Columbus Road, north of the Flats Industrial RR lift bridge. kjp, is the historic district designation for that area just recently awarded?
January 3, 201510 yr kjp, is the historic district designation for that area just recently awarded? Yes, last year. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 5, 201510 yr Rafid Fadul, a doctor and real estate investor, calls Cleveland a 'perfect city': 2015 People to Watch By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer on December 30, 2014 at 4:00 PM, updated December 30, 2014 at 9:02 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio - Rafid Fadul chased a woman and a medical job to Cleveland three years ago. Things with the woman didn't pan out. After spending a few years at the Cleveland Clinic, he left to run his own business. But he's steadfastly committed to Cleveland. Fadul, a doctor who specializes in pulmonary critical care, is chief medical officer for a company called Community Intensivists. He's also a real estate investor. MORE: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/12/rafid_fadul_a_doctor_and_real.html#incart_river "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 5, 201510 yr Rafid Fadul, a doctor and real estate investor, calls Cleveland a 'perfect city': 2015 People to Watch By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer on December 30, 2014 at 4:00 PM, updated December 30, 2014 at 9:02 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio - Rafid Fadul chased a woman and a medical job to Cleveland three years ago. Things with the woman didn't pan out. After spending a few years at the Cleveland Clinic, he left to run his own business. But he's steadfastly committed to Cleveland. Fadul, a doctor who specializes in pulmonary critical care, is chief medical officer for a company called Community Intensivists. He's also a real estate investor. MORE: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/12/rafid_fadul_a_doctor_and_real.html#incart_river I enjoy positive press and people saying nice things about the city, but writing a story headline that includes a reference to Cleveland as a "perfect city" makes me roll my eyes. I'd be curious if someone living at E. 55th and Scovill would say that Cleveland is a "prefect city."
January 5, 201510 yr ^ I read it as his perspective. As in, Cleveland is the perfect city for him to live and invest in. Nothing on earth is perfect.
January 16, 201510 yr Sammy's in the Flats sells for $1.6 million to investor eyeing redevelopment, river views CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A piece of Cleveland hospitality history changed hands late last year, in a deal that could bring new tenants -- and, perhaps, more new construction -- to the Flats. Best known as Sammy's in the Flats, the empty building at 1400 W. 10th St. now belongs to a group led by Cleveland-area investor Joel Scheer. Real estate records show that the buyers paid $1.6 million for the property, which was in foreclosure and controlled by a court-appointed receiver. Scheer, who has dabbled in industrial and multifamily development, isn't sure what he'll do with the three-story brick structure. But he couldn't resist the location, which overlooks the Cuyahoga River and the future site of Canal Basin Park, an expansive waterfront green space set for completion in mid-2019. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/01/sammys_in_the_flats_sells_for.html#incart_river
January 18, 201510 yr ^ whoa now that is interesting. finally something happened to shake up that iconic, troubled property. im glad a local group bought it, they'll figure it out. i would hope/assume it will continue to have a nice restaurant, either with or w/o the sammys moniker.
January 22, 201510 yr Missed this one!! TPI Efficiency and sister company are calling the Flats home Owner of telecommunications business buys Stonebridge Plaza By STAN BULLARD Originally Published: January 11, 2015 4:30 AM Modified: January 16, 2015 9:34 AM Roger Zona, president of energy and telecommunications consultant TPI Efficiency/NPEC, likes living and working near the Cuyahoga River in downtown Cleveland so much that he bought a building in the Flats to house the company. TPI Efficiency and sister company Non-Profit Efficiency Corp., which helps nonprofits qualify for energy programs and avoid unnecessary taxes, and their 20 employees, started 2015 at 2020 Center St. on the west bank of the river, in a former industrial building that has housed three restaurants the past 20 years. In its most recent incarnation, the structure was known as Stonebridge Plaza, an empty office building and eatery that Willoughby-based K&D Group had hoped could provide food services and business homes as part of a plan to add other uses to the nearby residential Stonebridge apartment and condominium buildings. The Lofts at Stonebridge Plaza building adjoins the office building. MORE: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150111/SUB1/301119977/tpi-efficiency-and-sister-company-are-calling-the-flats-home "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 6, 201510 yr New 7 property bulk sale listing on Loopnet - basically all the stuff on the east bank of the flats that does not have a clear development plan at this point. The listing says this was updated 4 days ago and I don't remember this being listed before, making me think that this is actually new. No price is disclosed outright. Looks like they are using Lee & Associates as the broker. 1198, 1204, 1220, 1295, 1301, 1313, 1330 Old River Road, Cleveland, OH 44122 Price Not Disclosed 58,276 SF | Retail Description 7 building bulk sale. Tremendous opportunity for redevelopment. Significant river frontage. RETAIL | OFFICE | FLEX Creative - Loft - Unique - Views - Walkable - Fun - Historic East bank of the Flats. http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=18640942&SRID=5368037357&StepID=101&jli=y
February 6, 201510 yr I know what they are asking for those buildings and it's just not going to happen. Most of the buildings will require major rehab to be repurposed as apartments or mixed use. The only way the numbers work is with major "free money" in terms of historic tax credits etc. The competition for that money is very fierce right now too
February 7, 201510 yr A good sign ... FEB has got to be putting intense pressure on that strip to redevelop... into something.
February 7, 201510 yr Is it the same owner--the guy whose last name begins with "Tri". If so, oh well.
February 7, 201510 yr But at the same time, that owner is one of the last guys you'd want picking and choosing tenants and uses.
February 7, 201510 yr Michael Tricarichi caught a case of the IRS blues in recent years regarding some business dealings. But he's still fighting and he's got some good lawyers. He's an old-school guy who reminds me of others who also bounced back and forth between places along Mayfield Road in Greater Cleveland, Las Vegas and Naples, FL. And that, my friends, is all I will say about that. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 7, 201510 yr I know what they are asking for those buildings and it's just not going to happen. Any way you can disclose that number? Even, if possible, just a range?
February 7, 201510 yr I was hoping LoopNet would list the amount, but.... 1198, 1204, 1220, 1295, 1301, 1313, 1330 Old River Road 1198, 1204, 1220, 1295, 1301, 1313, 1330 Old River Road, Cleveland, OH 44122 Price Not Disclosed 58,276 SF | Retail Description 7 building bulk sale. Tremendous opportunity for redevelopment. Significant river frontage. RETAIL | OFFICE | FLEX Creative - Loft - Unique - Views - Walkable - Fun - Historic East bank of the Flats. ________ Here's some more information from the real estate broker... http://resources.lee-associates.com/asp/user/website/PropertyProfile.asp?ParentID=271120 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 8, 201510 yr Are they open to selling the buildings individually? Anyone want to give me money to buy and re-open the Odeon? I never went in during the incarnations of Heaven/Earth/whatever after the Odeon closed, so I have no idea what the state of the interior would be like.
February 8, 201510 yr Are they open to selling the buildings individually? Anyone want to give me money to buy and re-open the Odeon? I never went in during the incarnations of Heaven/Earth/whatever after the Odeon closed, so I have no idea what the state of the interior would be like. The Odeon was a great venue to see shows....miss that place. In its previous incarnation the place featured reggae bands, usually free admission too. It was filled with picnic tables for communal seating. And they had a service window where you could grab a beer or pizza. It was very welcoming and casual. I can't help but think this concept could easily work again. Anyone else remember the Pre-Odeon?
February 8, 201510 yr Anyone else remember the Pre-Odeon? I do. It was a BW3 before that! I went there a few times. Saw one of the NFL draft parties there in the 1990s. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 8, 201510 yr If I'm not mistaken the BW-3 was right next door to the Odeon. It is the corner (flat iron) like structure. As of last year you could still see the shades of the former signage and at the entrance the counter to place your food order before moving into the bar area. I loved that BW-3, as late as the late 90s maybe even into the very early 2000s, I drank plenty of Guinness and saw many a Tribe games there.
February 8, 201510 yr If I'm not mistaken the BW-3 was right next door to the Odeon. It is the corner (flat iron) like structure. As of last year you could still see the shades of the former signage and at the entrance the counter to place your food order before moving into the bar area. I loved that BW-3, as late as the late 90s maybe even into the very early 2000s, I drank plenty of Guinness and saw many a Tribe games there. You're right -- my mistake! The Odeon was the factory-like building next door. Nope, never went into the Odeon, before or after its conversion! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 8, 201510 yr If I'm not mistaken the BW-3 was right next door to the Odeon. It is the corner (flat iron) like structure. As of last year you could still see the shades of the former signage and at the entrance the counter to place your food order before moving into the bar area. I loved that BW-3, as late as the late 90s maybe even into the very early 2000s, I drank plenty of Guinness and saw many a Tribe games there. You're right -- my mistake! The Odeon was the factory-like building next door. Nope, never went into the Odeon, before or after its conversion! Aw that's too bad. It had an awesome balcony which offered some great views, and you weren't too far away from the stage either.
February 9, 201510 yr Prior to the Odeon I believe it was called the Draft House. But I may be confusing that with the Empire up off E9th?
February 15, 201510 yr I really like what's happening along Columbus Road. And now this... The Foundry, a $9 million project in the Flats, will be a year-round home for rowers By STAN BULLARD February 15, 2015 4:30 AM Columbus Road in the Flats is about to gain another Cuyahoga River-oriented feature with “The Foundry,” a $9 million plan to recast a dozen old buildings as a collegiate and youth boathouse, fitness center and park. The project by MCPc Family Charities and Mike Trebilcock — the CEO of Cleveland-based MCPc, a seller of computer equipment and provider of tech services — and his wife, Gina, will provide additional facilities for young rowers and green space in the Flats. It's near the new Rivergate Park and the existing home of the Cleveland Rowing Association. The plan is the latest form of support that MCPc Family Charities and the Trebilcocks have offered to the Cleveland Youth Rowing Association and the Midwest Scholastic Rowing Association in the Flats. The Foundry is scheduled to open this fall. It will convert a group of buildings at 1831 Columbus Road to a year-round training center for rowers with an indoor rowing tank, a fitness center, boathouse and banquet center. The plan calls for using about 500 feet of riverfront for docks for launching boats and green space available for public use. MORE: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150215/SUB1/302159973/the-foundry-a-9-million-project-in-the-flats-will-be-a-year-round "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 15, 201510 yr Some renders of the Foundry project.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 15, 201510 yr The properties sold as part of the Foundry deal, including one on the west side of Columbus Road... https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zPHHLDdJpYeI.kC1n9uBS5Ocg&usp=sharing Existing conditions of The Foundry site, courtesy of Crain's wrtier Stan Bullard's twitter page @CrainRltywriter "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 15, 201510 yr Wow! I love this stuff that comes outta nowhere. Nice. And I hope the city will support this by repaving some of those g#dd#m roads around there.
February 15, 201510 yr What I like is that the Columbus Road peninsula is developing a brand-identity that no other place in the city has -- it's becoming the active recreation destination. You've got the Crooked River Skate Park, Ohio City Bike Co-op and now The Foundry rowing/sailing center. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 15, 201510 yr It's a little disappointing that while all this positive stuff is happening on Columbus Road, the Hustler Club and the other strip joint remain nearby. Especially considering that the city funneled these businesses into this area to get them away from the other Flats redevelopment projects.
February 15, 201510 yr It's a little disappointing that while all this positive stuff is happening on Columbus Road, the Hustler Club and the other strip joint remain nearby. Especially considering that the city funneled these businesses into this area to get them away from the other Flats redevelopment projects. Oh man, this is a sore subject. You go from Crooked River Brewing Company in a historic building, to the frigging windowless 80's style crapitechture of Hustler Club. In a historic district, no less. Anyhow, glad to see more positive development in the works. A major plus if they can actually save those old buildings. And seeing the boardwalk in the rendering, I'm starting to wonder just what the future holds with regards to waterfront connectivity. Does anyone know what the long term master plan is for the boardwalks?
February 15, 201510 yr It's a little disappointing that while all this positive stuff is happening on Columbus Road, the Hustler Club and the other strip joint remain nearby. Especially considering that the city funneled these businesses into this area to get them away from the other Flats redevelopment projects. It's all part of the active recreation concept the city is attempting to attract to the Columbus Road peninsula. :-P "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 16, 201510 yr The Foundry, a youth-focused rowing project, will take over Flats industrial buildings (photos) By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer on February 16, 2015 at 5:34 PM, updated February 17, 2015 at 7:42 AM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A youth-focused rowing project in the Flats could remake two clusters of buildings along Columbus Road, adding to the gradual transformation of an industrial peninsula into a place for walking, biking and boating. Local tech executive Mike Trebilcock and his wife, Gina, recently bought more than a dozen buildings near the Cuyahoga River from Pipe Line Development Co., a Westlake manufacturer of pipeline-maintenance and repair products. Real estate records show that a company linked to the Trebilcocks paid $3 million for the properties, at 1772-1800 and 1831-1853 Columbus Road. Trebilcock, the chief executive officer of Cleveland-based MCPc Inc., hopes to transform those buildings into a training space, recreational hub and education center for children, teenagers and college students who want to row. MORE: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/02/the_foundry_a_youth-focused_ro.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 17, 201510 yr Wow! I love this stuff that comes outta nowhere. Nice. And I hope the city will support this by repaving some of those g#dd#m roads around there. Columbus was repaved before the bridge reopened
February 17, 201510 yr ^Yes I know and that's a great start. Some of these new and future investments in the area can be attributed to that. I was referring to some of the ancillary roads in and around those properties. Busted sidewalks and curbs, old street lamps, non compliant crosswalks...That peninsula could be next for new and refurbished residential.
February 17, 201510 yr Glad to hear the bridge (finally) reopened, Columbus Ave got repaved, and that residential and commercial opportunities continue to sprout along the Columbus spine on both sides of the River. I'm hoping some form of traffic calming (ie speed bumps; traffic signal(s)) be added to the street to address its continuing metamorphosis from a derelict, backdoor commuting shortcut into an actual thriving neighborhood street. And addition to the automobile and despite the fact that RTA will probably be slow to promote it, this area is actually very rail friendly lying between the Red Line (W.25-Ohio City) and Waterfront Line (Settlers Landing) stations which should enhance walkability. Let's hope, as Freethink notes, that the surrounding peninsular streets and sidewalks get repaved and fixed, respectively.
February 17, 201510 yr ^^ I got a little lost the first time I tried to visit Merwin's Wharf, and ended up barely making it through a sea of road craters on an adjacent side-road. :-D
February 17, 201510 yr It's a little disappointing that while all this positive stuff is happening on Columbus Road, the Hustler Club and the other strip joint remain nearby. Especially considering that the city funneled these businesses into this area to get them away from the other Flats redevelopment projects. I don't see this as a problem. As you note, the City facilitated Hustler's move away from FEB to aid in the more positive developments occurring now at FEB. The fact that the area where Hustler was shunted to is converting from a rundown industrial wasteland (next to the crummy-looking Diamond's Men's Club) into a more productive people-centered neighborhood, is a good thing. And if the City helps Hustler move again because it's growing-upscale neighbors don't like it, who's to say the exercise won't need to be repeated if Hustler's next receiving neighborhood similarly develops? Cleveland's a big, diverse city and can handle different types of venues so long as everybody concerned is respectful. Last I looked, we're (thankfully) not Salt Lake City... Even though some may not like the prospects fancy strip bars like Larry Flynt's joint, I haven't heard of a major crime problem there since it moved there 4-5 years ago (sadly, I'm hearing more crime surrounding the casino than at Flynt's ti**ie bar). Note that Adult Mart, with its "interesting" mags and creative adult "toys," sits on E. 9th in the thriving WHD almost directly across from upscale Constantino's Market -- A.M. has been there for years but the WHD has managed not to devolve into Sodom & Gomorrah...
February 17, 201510 yr It's a little disappointing that while all this positive stuff is happening on Columbus Road, the Hustler Club and the other strip joint remain nearby. Especially considering that the city funneled these businesses into this area to get them away from the other Flats redevelopment projects. I don't see this as a problem. As you note, the City facilitated Hustler's move away from FEB to aid in the more positive developments occurring now at FEB. The fact that the area where Hustler was shunted to is converting from a rundown industrial wasteland (next to the crummy-looking Diamond's Men's Club) into a more productive people-centered neighborhood, is a good thing. And if the City helps Hustler move again because it's growing-upscale neighbors don't like it, who's to say the exercise won't need to be repeated if Hustler's next receiving neighborhood similarly develops? Cleveland's a big, diverse city and can handle different types of venues so long as everybody concerned is respectful. Last I looked, we're (thankfully) not Salt Lake City... Even though some may not like the prospects fancy strip bars like Larry Flynt's joint, I haven't heard of a major crime problem there since it moved there 4-5 years ago (sadly, I'm hearing more crime surrounding the casino than at Flynt's ti**ie bar). Note that Adult Mart, with its "interesting" mags and creative adult "toys," sits on E. 9th in the thriving WHD almost directly across from upscale Constantino's Market -- A.M. has been there for years but the WHD has managed not to devolve into Sodom & Gomorrah... THe building itself is the real travesty. And repeating the expense of moving them is an obvious example that it was idiotic to move them there to begin with.
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