July 15, 20159 yr Does anyone know what happened to the plan for water taxis in the flats and around the lakefront, whiskey island, etc. They were announced originally that they would start service this past Memorial Day, and be run by the Metroparks but I can't find any info on when they were delayed until. ETA for water taxi is Sept 25 Initial service between the east and west banks only. THe service later to be expanded to Whiskey island , Merwin's wharf area etc. east bank station will be where it alwys was (under the main ave bridge). the small brick bldg there will eventually be used as a visitors centre (prob next year)
July 15, 20159 yr ^Strange opening date. Summer will be well over by then and, in Cleveland, the cold season may or may not be in full gear; you never know in this area. They might as well bag it until Spring. The roll out for the service sounds like it was botched.
July 15, 20159 yr Does anyone know what happened to the plan for water taxis in the flats and around the lakefront, whiskey island, etc. They were announced originally that they would start service this past Memorial Day, and be run by the Metroparks but I can't find any info on when they were delayed until. ETA for water taxi is Sept 25 Initial service between the east and west banks only. THe service later to be expanded to Whiskey island , Merwin's wharf area etc. east bank station will be where it alwys was (under the main ave bridge). the small brick bldg there will eventually be used as a visitors centre (prob next year) Any word on pricing or if there will be some sort of all day pass that could also be used with RTA services also?
July 15, 20159 yr ^Strange opening date. Summer will be well over by then and, in Cleveland, the cold season may or may not be in full gear; you never know in this area. They might as well bag it until Spring. The roll out for the service sounds like it was botched. They are probably doing this somewhat to get a trial run this season. Iron out any kinks and be ready for full go next year. I don't think they would want to be surprised by anything then and have stop/start service throughout the first part of the year.
July 15, 20159 yr Actually, it was necessary to defer to ODOT's (ongoing) maintenance / restoration of the main ave bridge. Turns out to be fine since the first dining and drinking establishments will only be newly open, or opening soon ....by end of Sept
July 29, 20159 yr @ShareTheRiver And this just in: @sja1890 @SJAAthletics @SJACrew will be #rowing out of The Foundry this fall. #CuyahogaRiver ICYMI, here's @fox8news' update on The Foundry, a new youth oriented rowing facility on the #CuyahogaRiver http://fox8.com/2015/07/24/development-continues-for-new-rowing-facility-in-cleveland/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 29, 20159 yr Its great that work has started on the Foundry. Funny going into that Fox8 piece I was expecting to learn absolutely nothing new about the project. They actually had some new info to offer. Huh...
August 13, 20159 yr Docks going in @foundry216 at the Foundry. https://twitter.com/Foundry216/status/631847656797667328/video/1
August 21, 20159 yr Heard a few rumors this week about the Jacob's master plan for the West Bank from a Flats area resident and employee that include: notching out the area between Music Box and the Powerhouse to create docks for a yacht club new (possibly mixed use) residential on the old surface lots sorta depressing news about them planning to tear down the building that houses the harbor inn (sale pending) Now of course these are rumors but you have to think that Jacob's and the west bank has to be a tad envious now, right? I know they were planning to sell their buildings in the Warehouse District to focus on the flats. Any word about further development on the West Bank?
August 21, 20159 yr Heard a few rumors this week about the Jacob's master plan for the West Bank from a Flats area resident and employee that include: notching out the area between Music Box and the Powerhouse to create docks for a yacht club new (possibly mixed use) residential on the old surface lots sorta depressing news about them planning to tear down the building that houses the harbor inn (sale pending) Now of course these are rumors but you have to think that Jacob's and the west bank has to be a tad envious now, right? I know they were planning to sell their buildings in the Warehouse District to focus on the flats. Any word about further development on the West Bank? I'll just add that there is a lot of truth to those rumors.
August 21, 20159 yr BTW, I don't think Jacobs owns any buildings in the Warehouse District. The only property they own (to my knowledge) is The Parking Lot On Public Square. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20159 yr Jacobs owns Worthington Square and 425 Lakeside apartments in the Warehouse District. I remember something from Crain's a year ago about them listing both properties for sale. Not sure if they found a buyer yet. The only cheaper complex in the Warehouse District on a PSF basis right now is probably Crittenden (National Terminal is rebranding and raising rents).
August 21, 20159 yr Thanks. Just saw some of their properties (at least those with the statutory agent addressed at 1231 Main Ave) listed here: http://www.wysk.com/search/doEntitySearch.cfm?q=1231%20MAIN%20AVE%2E%20%20CLEVELAND%20OH%2044113 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20159 yr It's good to hear that Jacobs will be putting some effort into developing the west bank, but it's disappointing to hear that they want to tear down the Harbor Inn building. Hasn't there already been enough destruction in this area? They should be working to preserve what little they have left. The building doesn't look great right now, but if they actually tried, they could make it look nice.
August 21, 20159 yr A few graphics to show the affected area.... Flats West Bank-site1 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Harbor Inn... Flats West Bank-Harbor Inn-Sept2014 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Flats West Bank-Harbor Inn-Sept2014-2 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20159 yr Tear down for what? Jacob's planned abandonment or planned lack of upkeep? What do they have in store for the area where the building is? This town has lost more than its fair share of buildings this age which could be saved with the proper beneficial owner, and I'm sure one could be found.
August 22, 20159 yr BTW, I don't think Jacobs owns any buildings in the Warehouse District. The only property they own (to my knowledge) is The Parking Lot On Public Square. This is a different Jacob's group from what I understand. They just have the same name associated with their businesses. I too can concur that they have been doing some master planning for their property over the last couple years.
August 22, 20159 yr ^As I understand it the Flats and warehouse district properties as owned by companies started by Jeff Jacobs. The public square lot is owned by the company started by his father and uncle now deceased...he might own stock in that company like other family members but I don't believe he plays an active role in running that comoany
August 22, 20159 yr While we're talking about redevelopment down here, I saw a truck with some big copper (fermentation?) tanks in front of the building on Center St where the new Urban Apple cider house is going. Looks like they've started working on it. Can't wait until its up and running!
August 23, 20159 yr Heard a few rumors this week about the Jacob's master plan for the West Bank from a Flats area resident and employee that include: notching out the area between Music Box and the Powerhouse to create docks for a yacht club Instead of a single-use yacht club, I would like to see something more like Harbor Walk in Lorain, but more dense, mixed-use and fitting with the character of the Flats. Here's a quick-and-dirty mockup of what I have in mind:
August 24, 20159 yr ^ I would add that they extend the boardwalk behind and around the Pavillion so that you can walk all alongside the river without interruption. Also, and please don't roast me for this, but is the Harbor Inn building really worth that much to preserve? I've spent more nights that I can remember at that place and I hope to spend many many more, but it is a dive a cool dive mind you, but not one that I see any reason to preserve building-wise.
August 24, 20159 yr ^ I would add that they extend the boardwalk behind and around the Pavillion so that you can walk all alongside the river without interruption. Also, and please don't roast me for this, but is the Harbor Inn building really worth that much to preserve? I've spent more nights that I can remember at that place and I hope to spend many many more, but it is a dive a cool dive mind you, but not one that I see any reason to preserve building-wise. Look at how it compliments the building across the street though. I don't trust the developers in this town. The Harbor Inn is a nationally famous place with tons of character and a great history. I actually worry about the possibility of a stucco looking Hustler Club 2.0 style building taking its place.
August 24, 20159 yr ^ I would add that they extend the boardwalk behind and around the Pavillion so that you can walk all alongside the river without interruption. Also, and please don't roast me for this, but is the Harbor Inn building really worth that much to preserve? I've spent more nights that I can remember at that place and I hope to spend many many more, but it is a dive a cool dive mind you, but not one that I see any reason to preserve building-wise. Look at how it compliments the building across the street though. I don't trust the developers in this town. The Harbor Inn is a nationally famous place with tons of character and a great history. I actually worry about the possibility of a stucco looking Hustler Club 2.0 style building taking its place. Absolutely accurate. We can't afford to let our oldest bar get knocked down for a potential development. SAVE THE HARBOR!
August 24, 20159 yr I will have lost faith in the developers if the block with the Harbor Inn gets torn down while the surrounding parking blocks are left completely untouched.
August 24, 20159 yr both the very thought of tearing down the harbor inn and also ikea building on wetlands has made this a sour day in what should otherwise be very positive news in cle developments. hopefully both reconsider their possible actions.
August 25, 20159 yr ^ I would add that they extend the boardwalk behind and around the Pavillion so that you can walk all alongside the river without interruption. Also, and please don't roast me for this, but is the Harbor Inn building really worth that much to preserve? I've spent more nights that I can remember at that place and I hope to spend many many more, but it is a dive a cool dive mind you, but not one that I see any reason to preserve building-wise. Look at how it compliments the building across the street though. I don't trust the developers in this town. The Harbor Inn is a nationally famous place with tons of character and a great history. I actually worry about the possibility of a stucco looking Hustler Club 2.0 style building taking its place. Absolutely accurate. We can't afford to let our oldest bar get knocked down for a potential development. SAVE THE HARBOR! Not convinced, if that building is (or is not) worth preserving it isn't because the Harbor Inn is its tenant. Does the building make the place or does the place make the building? If the Harbor Inn was to move, would it stop being the oldest bar in Cleveland? I might argue that if they moved to the condo building just across the parking lot they might even be better off for it. I don't know much about architecture or what leads to historical preservation, so I'm open to be taught, but in the meantime when I look at that building all I see is the sentimental value that the Harbor Inn harbors and not anything else that would justify preserving it. They even painted over the Flats-opoly mural on its back. ---- Moderators: if you feel this is off-topic, erase as needed. Not quite sure myself if this is all that valuable.
August 25, 20159 yr I've got to wonder how many of you guys have ever been to, more or less frequented, the Harbor Inn?
August 25, 20159 yr I've got to wonder how many of you guys have ever been to, more or less frequented, the Harbor Inn? The walls of a building don't determine what occurs inside of them. Yet we often sentence those walls to death for what's occurred within them in the most recent years out of the 150 years they've stood previously. And yes, it's long been a tough bar for longshoremen and industrial workers. There's a way to remember that colorful past without demolishing it first. So many businesses believe the only way to address a reputation issue is to burn it down or otherwise create distance from it rather than spend the same amount of money to recast that reputation in a new light. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 25, 20159 yr I'd be dead set against demo even if the Harbor Inn weren't in it. There are precious few remnants of old flats flavor left, and they are precious to me. Whatever development is fated for that site will be good for bringing more residents to the center city, but my expectations for its design and place-making value are extremely low.
August 25, 20159 yr You can't recreate the Harbor Inn somewhere else. That building is part of the charm, or whatever you want to call it. I've only been there a few times but always think it's so unique and wonder why I don't visit more. Definitely a special place that shouldn't be demo'd when there are massive surface lots all around for building.
August 25, 20159 yr As much as I'm loathe to make comparisons, as not every city has the same circumstances - having been to Portland's Pearl District, I am absolutely in favor of keeping the remaining historic buildings in the Flats. In both cases you're talking about a waterfront area with a working class history and to varying degrees, the remains of that history's built environment. In some spots in the Pearl District, there's a good mix of older brick buildings and new residential construction - and in those cases, it just *feels* right. In other spots, it's all newer residential and even with street level retail those specific areas felt lacking. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
August 26, 20159 yr Well I stumbled on this little rendering. An adaptive reuse of the old Sammy's location. Has this been mentioned elsewhere? http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/19301292/1400-W-10th-St-Cleveland-OH/
August 31, 20159 yr Note from the article: David Grunenwald, vice president of development for Jacobs, didn't respond to requests for comment about the purchase. The company hasn't said much about its broader plans for the Flats, beyond an early 2015 news release that referenced a new, residentially-focused master-planning effort for the 20-acre Nautica property. Jacobs Investments will buy the Harbor Inn, but longtime Cleveland bar won't change (photos) By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer Email the author | Follow on Twitter on August 31, 2015 at 2:38 PM, updated August 31, 2015 at 2:51 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio – One of the city's best-known dive bars – and, by some accounts, its oldest – will change hands Tuesday. But the politicians, prosecutors and proletariat who populate the Harbor Inn have little to fear. The Harbor Inn might be getting new stewards, but longtime owner Vlado "Wally" Pisorn isn't going anywhere. Neither are the dart boards, the dim lighting and the dingy, well-loved aesthetic. "We want the cosmetics to stay the same," said Michael Mercer, a hospitality entrepreneur taking over the business through a deal with Jacobs Investments, Inc., of Cleveland and Florida. A Jacobs affiliate will buy the bar, at 1219 Main Ave., for an undisclosed price and hang onto the real estate. That's not a surprising move, since developer and gaming investor Jeff Jacobs controls much of the surrounding west bank of the Flats, including the Nautica Entertainment Complex and the apartments at Nautica. MORE: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/08/jacobs_investments_will_buy_th.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 31, 20159 yr More details on the purchase: http://m.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2015/08/31/new-owners-take-over-the-famed-harbor-inn-this-week-promise-to-keep-it-the-same
September 5, 20159 yr I grabbed this photo from the #55 coming across the Shoreway bridge, showing those Flats West Bank parking lots in all their glory..... FlatsWestBank-Sept2015 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 7, 20159 yr Nah, don't puke. Applaud that they are endangered species. Save the puke for the Warehouse District! :) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 7, 20159 yr Unfortunately, the Warehouse District is where I live and I have to look at those lots every day.
September 7, 20159 yr And unfortunately, taking spots from the Huntington garage in lieu of building new parking for the Hilton is only going to make those WHD lots more valuable to their squatters.....errrr, owners
September 7, 20159 yr ^^^Despite the ugly Powerhouse parking lot in the foreground, the photo shows an excellent perspective of FEB south of the new footprint, esp the Old River Road buildings that need to be developed for mixed use.
September 7, 20159 yr ^^^Despite the ugly Powerhouse parking lot in the foreground, the photo shows an excellent perspective of FEB south of the new footprint, esp the Old River Road buildings that need to be developed for mixed use. Thanks! Here's a couple of shots taken a little closer.... Skyline-fromShorewayBridge-Sept2015-2 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Skyline-fromShorewayBridge-Sept2015-3 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 8, 20159 yr And unfortunately, taking spots from the Huntington garage in lieu of building new parking for the Hilton is only going to make those WHD lots more valuable to their squatters.....errrr, owners Wrong thread, but I do think this arrangement with the parking for Hilton will drive the development of the parking garage on those lot that Jarobe wrote about a couple months ago. I have heard from a fairly reliable source that a developer wants something to come out of the ground "quiietly" by years end at that location. I'm sure KJP can do some investigative digging for us!
September 8, 20159 yr Redirected to: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=3323.msg771303#msg771303 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 22, 20159 yr Well, Sammy's old spot is getting a new look. Welty Building Company will move Cleveland office to former Sammy's in the Flats "Welty Building Company, Ltd., a 70-year-old company based in Fairlawn, has signed a lease on much of the first floor of the brick complex on West 10th Street. The company and its furniture subsidiary, Environments 4 Business, are the first tenants lined up for an office redevelopment of the buildings, empty since the well-known Sammy's catering and events business closed in 2013. A group led by Cleveland-area investor Joel Scheer plans to refashion the buildings as an office complex called Settler's Point. The name is a nod to the nearby site where Moses Cleaveland's surveying team landed in 1796 to sketch out a town on the east bank of the Cuyahoga River." http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/09/welty_building_company_will_mo.html#incart_river
September 22, 20159 yr Hhmmmmm, this is speculation but maybe Welty's move can be interpreted as a sign that the 515 project may be starting to form. Will be interesting to see if another tenant takes the space or not.
September 23, 20159 yr Welty Building Co. to move Cleveland offices to former Sammy's in the Flats September 22, 2015 UPDATED 7 HOURS AGO By STAN BULLARD Fairlawn-based Welty Building Co. likes the plan to convert a four-story building in the Flats, best known as the former home of Sammy’s restaurant, so much that it will move its Cleveland offices there. Welty announced Tuesday, Sept. 22, that it plans to move its Cleveland office and its office furniture services subsidiary, called environments for business, to space on the first floor of the building, 1410 W. 10th St. Its Cleveland offices are currently at 515 Euclid Ave. Don Taylor, Welty president and CEO, said in a news release that the company is moving to the structure to show its support for redevelopment of the Cleveland riverfront. MORE: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150922/NEWS/150929941/welty-building-co-to-move-cleveland-offices-to-former-sammys-in-the "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 23, 20159 yr Welty Building Co. to move Cleveland offices to former Sammy's in the Flats September 22, 2015 UPDATED 7 HOURS AGO By STAN BULLARD Fairlawn-based Welty Building Co. likes the plan to convert a four-story building in the Flats, best known as the former home of Sammy’s restaurant, so much that it will move its Cleveland offices there. Welty announced Tuesday, Sept. 22, that it plans to move its Cleveland office and its office furniture services subsidiary, called environments for business, to space on the first floor of the building, 1410 W. 10th St. Its Cleveland offices are currently at 515 Euclid Ave. Don Taylor, Welty president and CEO, said in a news release that the company is moving to the structure to show its support for redevelopment of the Cleveland riverfront. MORE: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150922/NEWS/150929941/welty-building-co-to-move-cleveland-offices-to-former-sammys-in-the Oh man, this leaves a HUGE opportunity open for a street-front retail space on Euclid Avenue. Can only hope something awesome comes in.
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