^I looked at their facebook and saw a picture they posted like yesterday. It didnt look anything like that rendering you posted. Kind of looked like a mess in my opinion.

I got the impression from the article above that no new construction had yet taken place.  Sounds like they simply took control of the property and moved their operations into the existing building.

CRF just picked up and moved from the old boathouse to the new one.  Fundraising is ongoing and the renderings are what the organization eventually envision the facility will look like.  I am actually going down to the boathouse tonight for equipment rehearsal, but I left my camera at home.  Summer Rowing League starts next week, so that will put hundreds of adult rowers out on the water.  The high school teams (St Ignatius, Shaker, and Cleveland Scholastic) as well as the adult Masters group have been going for about a month and a half now.  Really looking forward to using the new boathouse and getting on the water!

Sitting at Flat Iron right now, a little ticked how impossible it is to walk to Shooters since the bridge is closed. Today was a tour Cleveland by foot day with a few guys, but the construction delays in the Flats has altered that. Even our waitress here has no clue how we could walk to Stonebridge and Shooters from here by foot, plus she said construction has been delayed at least a month.

Look up?

Look up?

 

LOL!

Not quite following

Go to where you were standing shaking your head at the bridge under construction and 'look up'

It was a semi-humous attempt at saying if you were looking for a way to get to walk to the other side of the Flats, you should "look up" outside the Flat Iron and you'd see the Veterans Memorial Bridge which would take you there.

 

It is annoying that the Center Street Swing bridge is still closed.  I've seen it moving more often in recent weeks.  They must be testing it.  Not sure what the hold up is.  I feel your pain - I live on the east bank of the Flats and had to walk to the Veterans Memorial Bridge to get over to the rib cook off at Nautica a couple of months ago...  The swim would have been faster.

I do sympathize with all the bridge closures, including this one.....

 

http://webapp.cleveland-oh.gov/aspnet/moc/TA%20Columbus%20Rd%20%20Emergency%20Closure%207-21-2011%20_2_.pdf

 

TRAFFIC ADVISORY FOR

 

Thursday, July 21, 2011

Closure of the Columbus Road Lift Bridge for Emergency Repairs

 

CLEVELAND – Effective today, the Columbus Road lift bridge will be closed due to a mechanical failure.  All repairs are expected to be completed no later than Monday, July 25, 2011.

 

Drivers may use Carter Rd. as an alternate route.  All lanes on Columbus Rd. should reopen to traffic no later than Monday morning.

Sorry, I meant to come back here sooner and be more helpful, and I apologize for finding myself way more funny than I actually am.  The DetSup is long as hell; and you may brush shoulders with someone whose hygiene would result in an extra 3ft personal space at the checkout line (Hell that might just be you in this heat); however, it is the best option for now.  I'd also argue the obvious option but I'm the type that parks at the first open spot and walks a mile than try to find a spot closer.

It turned out Flat Iron has really good food, so it all worked out.

I haven't seen these graphics posted here yet, so I'll do it......

 

http://clevelandrows.org/RivergatePark

http://www.publicsquaregroup.com/cleveland-skatepark

 

 

 

 

 

I was looking at that just the other day...I thought it was really neat that they showed how much more fundraising they needed for the project. Wish other projects would do this as well!!!

i always thought it would be really cool if the whole peninsula was a park with fountains, playing fields, a public pool, etc.

i always thought it would be really cool if the whole peninsula was a park with fountains, playing fields, a public pool, etc.

 

Me too. It is a no mans land right now.  But I really do think if the skate park is perceived as safe and maintained well, that this could put the area on the map and open the doorway for attractions.

I think the old commercial/maritime/manufacturing buildings along Columbia are some of the best Old Flats left in Cleveland and have some serious hidden but viable potential for long term repurposing if they aren't knocked down first.  So, one big loud vote against mass demolition here.

 

I love the CRF, skate park and Hart Crane park progression along the riverfront.  Will be awesome to see some sustained waterfront activity around there.

^ which buildings are these? I can't find Columbia on google maps.

 

In general, I would strongly hope that most if not all of the existing buildings are preserved. And that any new architecture is sensitive to the historic and traditional aesthetic that made the Flats what they are.

 

Then again, we would be relying on the same civic leaders that brought us that architectural and cultural gem called The Hustler Club to compliment Stonehenge.

 

It's all screwed.

^It's Columbus Rd, not Columbia. But I'm on StrapHanger's side. Columbus Rd could be a great place for re-purposing old buildings and building new ones for a mixed us development. It would be a great site, with the skate park and rivergate park nearby and Ohio City also not too far.  If you want to start all over somewhere, try that on the Scranton Rd peninsula.

I think the old commercial/maritime/manufacturing buildings along Columbia are some of the best Old Flats left in Cleveland and have some serious hidden but viable potential for long term repurposing if they aren't knocked down first.  So, one big loud vote against mass demolition here.

 

I love the CRF, skate park and Hart Crane park progression along the riverfront.  Will be awesome to see some sustained waterfront activity around there.

 

Along Columbus Road, just about all these buildings are occupied and active. It just doesn't look that way. Lolly the Trolly is in one. A welder/artist is in another. CMA has a building down there will some art stuff going on. etc etc.

And many of these properties are single story manufacturing, which would be really difficult to "repurpose".

I know this is a bit off topic but I always thought the red line could have a station on that bridge over the flats. It would be expensive to bring people all the way up and down, but it would be an interesting design. I mean, the rapid literally runs over this little gem! and It could be right on canal rd/center street to connect the east and west bank.

 

Anyways, I think this park will be a great addition to the 'nabe. Thanks for posting that site plan.

I know this is a bit off topic but I always thought the red line could have a station on that bridge over the flats. It would be expensive to bring people all the way up and down, but it would be an interesting design. I mean, the rapid literally runs over this little gem! and It could be right on canal rd/center street to connect the east and west bank.

 

Anyways, I think this park will be a great addition to the 'nabe. Thanks for posting that site plan.

 

That area is actually a pretty reasonable walk from the Ohio City Red Line stop, and a bit further north is the Settlers Landing stop on the Waterfront Line. I think any development around there would be pretty well served by the existing rail.

 

It would be great to see an actual neighborhood pop up around those new parks and along Columbus Road someday. Maybe some 5-10 story building like Stonebridge.

^It's Columbus Rd, not Columbia. But I'm on StrapHanger's side. Columbus Rd could be a great place for re-purposing old buildings and building new ones for a mixed us development. It would be a great site, with the skate park and rivergate park nearby and Ohio City also not too far.  If you want to start all over somewhere, try that on the Scranton Rd peninsula.

 

Yikes, sorry, mind/typing fingers disconnect with the "Columbia" there.  What you describe is exactly what I had in mind: selective redevelopment and infill.  Some of it is one story junk but there's also some great 2-3 story 19th and early 20th century stuff that would be awesome streetscape to incorporate into an organic, incremental redevelopment someday.  There's already been some new residential right across the bridge on the West Bank there (Irishtown Bend condos and a couple new townhouse-type things).  I'll post some photos tonight when I'm not relying on spotty Amtrak wifi.

 

I didn't mean to imply that the buildings are vacant or available for redevelopment, just that I'd be dead set against casual calls for mass demo.  If the price were right, I'm sure Lolly and CMA and the other users there would have no trouble finding new homes in a city full of cheap, underused space in less prime locations.  The overarching problem in the flats, which already seems to be a problem, is the tension between residential interests and commercial interests re. road use, noise, etc.

OK, I posted some photos from Columbus Road here: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,26297.msg577512.html#new so bump.

Thanks for the pics, Strap.

Reposted from the general developments thread........

 

Yes, it's all coming back to me! :)

 

Yes, they had hired WRL. Here's what K&D said about the project in 2008, just before the crash (great timing -- the Great Depression killed numerous projects in Cleveland that were never built -- including a few holes that remain today in the streetscape around Tower City)... http://www.thekdgroup.com/documents/KD_Wins_Bid(1).pdf

 

Yes, the Tenk Building was to be K&D's next project at Stonebridge. Here's exactly what Doug Price said in the article at:

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/11/with_apartments_full_developer.html

 

"We're not able to absorb thousands of units, obviously, but certainly I think two, three hundred coming online," said Doug Price, chief executive officer of the K&D Group Inc., a major private owner of apartments in Northeast Ohio. "It takes a few years to get something done. We haven't even seen the effect of the casino jobs or the medical mart jobs.

 

"Those are going to be 24-7 jobs," Price added, referring to 1,500 or more anticipated positions at the casino. "They're going to want to live downtown, and they're going to be hard-pressed to live downtown. We're already behind the eight ball."

 

...K&D owns the apartments at Stonebridge, on the west bank of the Flats; the massive Reserve Square complex on East 12th Street; and 668 Euclid. Price sees a deep bench of potential downtown renters, if landlords can only find places to house them.

 

He'd like to build another set of apartments at Stonebridge, but construction costs are too high. So he's looking at redevelopment.

 

"We're ready to move forward on a couple projects," he said, declining to elaborate. "I think we might have found one. There's another one that looks good."

^When K&D backed out of the Tenk building, someone else bought it.  They're running a construction/demolition operation out of there now, at least in part of the building.  I think there's a recording studio in another part.

The plot thickens. Wonder what Doug Price has in mind, then? I hate it when developers throw out a juicy tidbit out there like that.

 

BTW, I think we set a record for the longest time between posts... from December 28, 2008 to today, November 29, 2011. I had to move this thread out of completed projects to add Price's quote.

^When K&D backed out of the Tenk building, someone else bought it.  They're running a construction/demolition operation out of there now, at least in part of the building.  I think there's a recording studio in another part.

 

Not according to this listing.....

 

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17195078/2111-CENTER-STREET-Cleveland-OH/

 

Highlights

Use for heavy industrial as is.

Redevelop into condos, restaurant or entertainment.

It has architectural value -- maybe teardown -- maybe not. Your call.

As restaurant or entertainment, it is likely a better return on investment than the east bank.

This is part of a four building offering...priced seperately. There are two more north on Center Street, north of Main.

Also for sale is a fully leased 70,000 sf multi tenant industrial property on W. 58th north of Detroit.

 

Description

The owner bought it, cleaned out 50 years of junk, changed his plans, and its for sale.

It stands in the shadow of the new Stonebridge condominiums, and is adjacent to the Powerhouse restaurants.

It is a candidate for either continuing on as industrial, or redevelopment into condos or entertainment -- maybe a teardown -- maybe not.

It has high ceilings in part, the cranes have been removed. It is an old brick three story building on a little over an acre, with 37,000 sf on the first floor, 22,000 sf on the second and 12,000 sf of mostly offices on the third.

It is part of a three building offering-- there are two more buildings just north of this, of 22,000 and 9,000 sf respectively.

There is a lot to consider here -- its probably best to give me a call to discuss your use. Lastly, I found a couple of historical photos in the file, and the exterior one gives a view that I couldn't catch with my camera. Click on all the photos to see. DEVELOPERS: We also have an entire city block for sale in the Detroit Shoreway neighborhood, spanning from W.58th to W.65th St along Breakwater Ave.

 

THE FLATS -- WEST BANK -- on Center Street, next to the Powerhouse and its restaurants. Directions: Just as if you were going to Shooters, get downtown, take w.25th north and turn Right onto Main St and descend the hill towards Shooters. Turn Right onto Center St and go a block -- its the old Tenk Machine building at the corner of Center and Washington, in the shadow of the new Stonebridge condo development, Ponte Vecchio restaurant.

While browsing real estate listings I came across this in the West Bank of the Flats.  Anyone know anything about this potential development?  I can't recall ever seeing the rendering in this listing.

 

http://www.howardhanna.com/property/property.asp?PRM_MLSNumber=3280862&PRM_MlsName=NorthernOH&VAR_AgentCode=&VAR_OfficeCode=

Whoa!

That's were the Left Bank Building is now. I used to live... um, "work" there about 20 years ago.

That looks like it would be built where the Left Bank building is now.  That would be sucky.

That second pic, where the ground floor interacts with the surrounding grass/river, it's hopelessly sterile! 

 

I sure as hell hope someone can break the Flats West Bank trend of providing zero interaction with the street level.

 

Hate to see projects with such ambition ignoring this most basic concept.

What will they demolish for this? I did a Google search on the address and found at least company having an address there:  Harlor Graphics, 1250 Riverbed St Ste 510

 

EDIT: didn't see the other messages for the Left Bank Building. OK, so why are we demolishing ANYTHING down there? So many vacant parking lots on the West Bank. Can't they find another spot next to the river, like at the end of Winslow Avenue? What an awful design to be placed next to the Superior Viaduct and the B&O Bascule bridge. Can't they come up with a modern design that complements the 19th century architecture rather than ignore it?

Wow.  Great find.  :clap:

^^ On this I completely agree with KJP. you're covering up the bridge and potentially demoing a building to put up a George Jetson style building that has no business being there. It should compliment the area, not clash with it. Just an awful design.

If only there were some surface lots to build on over there so they wouldn't have to tear down a building...

This all strikes me as odd. It doesn't seem real. Large projects like this don't appear first on a realtor's website.

At the end of Winslow there are river-side lots.

Sucks.  I love the West Bank Building.  This thing looks like it belongs in some sort of doucheville Miami Beach type location.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I like it. Its kinda sexy. I do agree that there are plenty of vacant lots to build on and that would've been ideal but, bet that as it may, I kinda like it.

I'm very skeptical about this project given the fact that it's listed on Howard Hanna.  The renderings also look a little old to me and may have been part of some older proposal.  Could they just be floating this rendering to show potential buyers what could be done with the lot they are trying to sell?

 

I'm also not a fan of the design.  Nor am I in favor of tearing down an existing building that fits in very well to put up this... thing.

The ad is very confusing to me.  It almost reads like they are looking for a developer for a building designed by somebody else.

 

Also do not like the design, especially at this location.

Agreed with 3231.  This can't be for real.  We would have known about it by now.

 

Regardless, that thing is oogly.  Definitely not timeless and should not be anywhere near that bridge.  It seems as if it is going for futuristic and fails at that too.

^It's like what the people of the 1960's imagined buildings in the 1980's would look like.

Totally un-informed guess: this is stupid puffery by the building owner to try to justify his/her $2.5M offering price for the property.  It's almost as though this thing were in some kind of eminent domain path, like all the phony Lighthouse Landing stuff in the run-up to the FEB.  Certainly doesn't seem like a genuine project.

 

In any case, I agree this would be a major step DOWN for this site from the current awesomeness of the Left Bank Building.

I was going to post that the realtor's website claims the project has been OK'd by the city, but I wanted to go back and see exactly what the site said. When I did, this language confused me even more...

 

"This property has a green light from the city and is presently going through approval for a twin tower 176 unit apartment with a center atrium."

 

OK, so does this have a green light from the city or not? It can't have a green light if its still going through the approvals process. I love salesman double-talk.

I'd love for there to be more apartments down there, but not like this.

Totally un-informed guess: this is stupid puffery by the building owner to try to justify his/her $2.5M offering price for the property.  It's almost as though this thing were in some kind of eminent domain path, like all the phony Lighthouse Landing stuff in the run-up to the FEB.  Certainly doesn't seem like a genuine project.

 

In any case, I agree this would be a major step DOWN for this site from the current awesomeness of the Left Bank Building.

 

It also may be cover for trying to get a demo permit.  That's pretty common, it seems.