I figured that about the other thread.

I just wasn't sure since the title on the other one specifically states "Phase 5."

 

Anyway, thanks for the non-casino update.

Thats cool.  With our without the casino the model makes the area look hot!

 

The views of the east side are killer.

 

Way to go Flats!!

I don't like how low the towers are.  I think they are to uniform, I think different heights would give some visual interest to the West Banks "skyline".

Two interesting points (in my opinion) were said by Doug Price at the "Professionals in the city:"

 

1) three $500,000+ condos have already been resold in the past two months at 10-25% than what the original owner paid--increasing property value.

2)  "Water Park Hotel" ...what?! Did anyone else catch that?? 

I don't like how low the towers are.  I think they are to uniform, I think different heights would give some visual interest to the West Banks "skyline".

 

Here's my take: they keep them low for two reasons. 1. they can use cheaper construction materials if they cap the height. 2. they don't feel that they could sell enough.

 

I'd like to see taller buildings in the later phases. We need to fill in the gaps with mid-rises and create more of a neighborhood. The west bank has too many surface lots. I'd rather see two 9-story buildings before I see one 18-story building.

I even think some height restrictions are in order as development approaches the waterfront.  You don't want too many shadows cast over this area like you have downtown.

I heard about the "water park hotel" a long time ago, and siced KJP on to it, but they denied, no? It is good 3 units resold (I do not think they were all over 500,00, but if not close)  but they were on the market of a while (one turned over 2x and the second time it sold quicker)

What like Kahiki in Sandusky?

What like Kahiki in Sandusky?

 

I think its the kolahari hotel

^frankly I dont know since its not my thing. He said something about waterslides and rides and watersports...and indoor waterstuff as well.  Kid love that crap. we took my step daughter "great bear" (?) louge in Sandusky one winter and she loved it.

I noticed that they updated the Stonebridge website. There isn't any new information, but kinda interesting to check out and nice to see that the site has been updated:

http://www.stonebridge-condominiums.com/plaza/index.htm

 

Here is what it says for phase 5:

UNDER CONSTRUCTION – JUNE 2007 OCCUPANCY

-Affordably priced, starting at $146,000.

-Choose from 1-bedroom, 2-bedrooms or penthouses ($300,000 - $1 million).

 

Phases

Stonebridge has been carefully planned in 12 distinct phases.

 

Phases 1-3

Stonebridge began in 1999 when ground was broken for the first Stonebridge apartment building—Stonebridge Waterfront. Office/retail space was added as part of Phase 3 with the completion of Stonebridge Center, which hosts a number of commercial tenants, including the award-winning Ponte Vecchio Restaurant.

 

Phases 4-6

Phase 4 added condominiums to the mix with the advent of The Towers at Stonebridge. Currently, The Plaza at Stonebridge (Phase 5) is under construction with its 108 luxury condominium units, and work is underway for 35,000 square feet of additional office/retail space to be known as Stonebridge Square (Phase 6).

 

 

About Stonebridge Square

Currently under construction, Stonebridge Square represents 35,000 square feet of newly renovated office and retail space. Adjacent to The Plaza at Stonebridge, the new Stonebridge Square promises to be home to a number of retail shops designed to cater to the day-to-day needs of Stonebridge residents, including a deli, gourmet grocery store and coffee shop.

 

A focal point of the project will be its expansive skylight and foliage-filled atrium that will provide shoppers with a peaceful, out-of-the-way place to sit and enjoy a cup of coffee along with a good book or the morning newspaper. A glass skywalk will also connect Stonebridge Square with direct access to the historic Superior Viaduct Bridge—another scenic location for walking or reading.

 

 

Phases 7-9

Reaching out along the banks of the Cuyahoga River, Riverfront at Stonebridge (Phase 7) is projected to break ground in 2008 for its 30 riverfront townhomes. Each of these custom-built units will be set in a triplex building featuring a two-car garage with direct access to the unit. Large balconies, rooftop terraces and spectacular views of downtown and the river await the future residents of Riverfront.

 

Shortly afterward, Phase 8 is scheduled to begin with the development of 68 loft townhouses. Of course all of these new downtown residents will require additional retail sources for dining, shopping and servicing, so Stonebridge Commons (Phase 9) will become a massive 285,000-squre-foot office/retail complex.

 

Phases 10-12

The final three phases of development, scheduled for completion by 20??, will connect Stonebridge with Lake Erie via the construction of 1,200+ new housing units and another 650,000 square feet of office/retail space. All of the supporting service amenities, as well as the necessary infrastructure will be in place so that, upon completion, Stonebridge residents can live, work and play in the same thriving area that's just walking distance from downtown.

 

I'm not sure what phase this is, but it has a very interesting look to it:

 

please visit:

 

http://www.stonebridge-condominiums.com/index.htm

superceleb (damnit I love that name!)  I noticed that too, some of the rendering look very interesting!

 

I also wonder if the units they are showing are whats available?  I have floor plans of larger multi level units.

Comparing it to other images on the site, I'd say that's a model for phases 10-12. Fortunately, it looks as though those have made accomodations for first-floor retail/offices.

if you look on the first floor of the first building, it looks like the tree is inside.

There is an updated site plan.  Notice the proposed change to Center St. as it gets close to the Old River channel.  I agree that the picture from above is probable phases 10-12, judging from the shapes on the site plan.

 

Is there a total price tag # for the entire project? Obviously its too preliminary for an accurate number, but is there one anyways?

^The website quoted $500 million.

these other images seem interesting too.  one of them is even a picture of the lakefront...??  whats that about?

Those luxury condominium towers look an awful lot a failed proposal for the County Administrative Building.

Does anyone know if the final overall project has any plans to better the connection to the rest of downtown? 

 

That lakefront rendering is very interesting.

So have they set any time tables???

 

Do they need to acquire a lot of land or just a little???

Does anyone know if the final overall project has any plans to better the connection to the rest of downtown?

 

yes.

Does anyone know if the final overall project has any plans to better the connection to the rest of downtown? 

 

See the older site plan posted here and then look at the area around Main Avenue Bridge.  You'll see a proposed pedestrian connection to the East Bank.

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=9195.msg127727#msg127727

these other images seem interesting too.  one of them is even a picture of the lakefront...??  whats that about?

 

Bob Corna, partner and architect of the Stonebridge development, is a big proponent of redeveloping the downtown lakefront with publicly accessible parks. He doesn't agree with Stark's vision for the lakefront.

 

(Just answering a question -- not attempting to take this thread in a direction that doesn't have anything to do with the thread's subject)

I have no doubt most, if not all of this will get done; and not that far in the distant future.  Corna-Price have near-perfectly engineered a carrot-stick approach with sexy current development fanning desire (and projected home-sales) for just around-the-corner development...

 

I can't quite tell from the schematic, but are they planning on keeping the old Spaghetti Warehouse loft apt building?  I sure hope so.  Melding old + new has made Stonebridge amazingly interesting, intriguing.

264 more condos slated for Flats

Willoughby Hills developer hopes to break ground on first of four high rises in spring 

 

Flats Oxbow Association

 

By JAY MILLER

 

4:30 am, July 16, 2007

 

A development group led by Russell Berzin of Franklyn Development Co. is planning to replace a parking lot with a $50 million, 264-unit riverfront condominium complex in the Flats along Columbus Road south of the Carter Road bridge.

 

Mr. Berzin said the four high-rise buildings in the as-yet-unnamed complex will offer one-, two- and three-bedroom units in prices tentatively set in a range comparable to those at the nearby Stonebridge development. Condominium units in Stonebridge Plaza, a just-completed condominium building, run from $153,000 to $529,000.

 

Cleveland City Council last week approved a rezoning of the property from general industry to downtown residential. Mr. Berzin said final engineering drawings will be completed shortly, and he hopes to break ground on the first building next spring.

 

The complex, designed by Paul Volpe of City Architecture Inc., would bring new housing construction to a section of the Flats that is predominantly parking lots and old railroad depots. Mr. Berzin said the plan is to start with a nine-story building with 55 units on seven floors over two levels of parking. The second building would be identical, while the third building would have a total of 13 floors and the fourth would have 12 floors.

 

He said all the suites will have views of the Cuyahoga River.

 

“The concept was that as we get up in the air, we’ll also have a view across to the lake in some instances,” Mr. Berzin said.

 

Like any new housing in Cleveland, these units will be eligible for 100% tax abatement for 15 years.

 

Mr. Berzin said he and his partners paid nearly $2 million for the three-acre site in 1999. It had been owned by Sherwin-Williams Co. Since 2001, after buildings were demolished and the land cleared, the property has been a parking lot.

 

Mr. Berzin’s partners include Joel Cole, president of Network Parking, and real estate investors Hal LaPine and Michael Miller. Mr. Berzin’s Franklyn Development, a family business in Willoughby Hills that he took over from his late father, has developed single-family home communities in eastern Cuyahoga County, Lake County and Florida.

 

Tom Newman, executive director of Flats Oxbow Association, the neighborhood development group, has not yet seen plans for the project so he was reluctant to evaluate it.

 

“I think it’s appropriate for the site,” Mr. Newman said after hearing the project discussed at the City Council hearing. “City Architecture has a pretty good track record, and I’m sure it will be wonderful.”

 

Mr. Berzin’s project joins the Wolstein Group’s Flats East Bank development and K&D Group’s expansion of the Stonebridge complex as major residential construction efforts planned for the Flats.

 

K&D last year announced it plans to add 1,200 units to Stonebridge in the next five years, including 130 townhouses in the near term. The developer is just completing the 108-condominium Stonebridge Plaza, bringing to 600 the number of units it has built in the Flats since 1999.

 

Wolstein Group’s Flats East Bank development is projected to include 300 housing units.

 

With developers planning so many new housing units in the neighborhood, the Flats is bucking the generally sluggish housing market.

 

“There’s probably a stronger market for new construction there than in most of the region,” said Keith Brown, president of Progressive Urban Real Estate, which is marketing the Stonebridge complex.

 

Mr. Brown said the Flats attracts residents from across a broad range of demographic groups. “It’s across the board, it’s extremely diverse,” he said. “Professional would be the commonality there.

 

 

 

^This would be on Scranton Peninsula I think. 

^^its getting to the point where we need a general Flats thread. There are now four major developments in the Flats (Wolstein, Stonebridge, lower Old River Road, and now this).

 

This project would be located on the land along the river that is just to the south of the RTA bridge. Its one giant surface lot right now. The city had wanted to use this land for the Canal Basin Park, but is now looking to work with the developer so that the land along the river is still accessible to the public (and the towpath).

^This would be on Scranton Peninsula I think. 

 

Nope. If I have some time, I could try and post a map.

i cant picture this  can someone - calling MayDay - whip up map pretty please with a cherry on top ?

Must I do EVERYthing? ;-)

 

OK.  SO this would be right across from the Collision Bend bar and just down from the Flatiron, correct?

Must I do EVERYthing? ;-)

 

 

Yes dear.  gracias

Great news.

...City Architecture............

Great news.

...City Architecture............

 

I'm beginning to think that I wouldn't be surprised to one day hear that a young architect has walked into City Architecture's lobby with a bomb...  ;)

Actually, you can see the site here as well - the parking lot in the center foreground:

Are they the only firm in town that is qualified to design urban housing?  Sheesh.  Every announcement of a new housing development project states that the project is being designed by C.A.

thats such a strangely shaped parcel... i wonder how that will be configured.  Also isnt this near the proposed strip district in the flats?

This is the site I pictured as well, but is this south of the Carter Road Bridge?  Certainly, the article could've been wrong.

It's southwest of the Carter Road bridge. And yes, the Strip District is west, to the left of the Rapid bridge (along Fall Street):

Wow, the strip district sure is attracting a lot of residential development! Maybe Larry Flynt will sell the air-rights above his new club for some additional residential towers.  ;)

Dammit! Crain's scooped me on the condo project proposed at Columbus Road and Center Street!!

Ugh, I remember when the funky old B&O [?] freight depot was demoed to create that lovely parking lot, about 10 years ago I think.

 

I know nothing is left to be demoed for this project, but anyone else get a little worries about the flats?  My nightmare is that averything cool and old (which frankly is what makes the flats cool IMHO- it ain't just the brown river) is going to get knocked down.  The west side of Columbus, for instance, is a great stretch of very old industrial/commercial blocks.  Not too many of those left these days...

mods, can we merge? pretty please.

Does anyone have access to a master plan, city of Cleveland or otherwise, for the Flats area?  As 3231 mentioned, there are now 4 significant projects planned for the flats, yet I've seen little (aside from a cursory land use plan from Building Cleveland By Design) in the way of a plan regarding how all these projects will interact with each other and with the existing land uses.  If Cleveland City Council is approving these projects, is it based on an existing plan or simply on the concept of highest use of available land?

 

I, for one, am very concerned about how all of these projects will interact with the towpath and existing light rail, as well as how they might be best served in the future by newly constructed/re-purposed multi-modal connections, i.e. bike lanes/shared lanes, bike/walk paths, sidewalks, bus/rail, etc.  Is there a plan for this?  And if not, can we at UrbanOhio help to spur the creation of one??

ah, so the Carter Road Bridge is the one that says Old River Road on it?  And this is actually aligned to true north, which always throws me off.  I usually think of our east-west streets as actually being east-west...

I'm not sure about that site outline. A check of the interactive planning map at the Planning Commission's web site shows Columbus Road Realty's land not going farther north than the intersection of Center Street and Columbus Road. Yet the parking lot looks like it's spread over onto Sherwin Williams' land.

Is there a plan for this?

 

Why yes, I do believe that there is an organization that will be taking a good look at this. ;) That organization is represented on UO.

Does anyone have access to a master plan, city of Cleveland or otherwise, for the Flats area?  As 3231 mentioned, there are now 4 significant projects planned for the flats, yet I've seen little (aside from a cursory land use plan from Building Cleveland By Design) in the way of a plan regarding how all these projects will interact with each other and with the existing land uses.  If Cleveland City Council is approving these projects, is it based on an existing plan or simply on the concept of highest use of available land?

 

I, for one, am very concerned about how all of these projects will interact with the towpath and existing light rail, as well as how they might be best served in the future by newly constructed/re-purposed multi-modal connections, i.e. bike lanes/shared lanes, bike/walk paths, sidewalks, bus/rail, etc.  Is there a plan for this?  And if not, can we at UrbanOhio help to spur the creation of one??

 

Great post Guv!!!

There was a question about an over plan for the flats in the Cleveland Thread. I looked through all of the plans the city has on their site and they only have the individual plans for East Bank and Scranton Pen.