2010 ColDay Series:

 

Part 1: Cincinnati, Columbus, & New York City

Part 2: Indianapolis, Detroit, & Cincinnati

Part 3: Bloomington, Indiana

Part 4: Smoky Chicago

Part 5: A New York Minute

Part 6: Cincinnati

Part 7: The Lake Erie Cities

Part 8: Toronto

Part 9: Hamilton

Part 10: The NFC East

Part 11: Louisville

Part 12: St. Louis

 

 

Detroit (...it's close enough)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Niagara Falls

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Buffalo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cleveland

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Goodnight, from Toronto

 

very erie but i warnt skeerd a bit!

Nice job! Excellent photos, interesting scenes.

Great stuff, good to see the old Buffalo depot.

Buffalo is underrated.  I went to school with some people from Buffalo and they always raved about it.

Great pics.

Best Buffalo pics I can recall ever seeing.  Really like the downtown Cleveland photo of the lone guy in sandals.

Love those Buffalo rowhomes. 

 

Damn that Interbelt bridge is not looking very healthy.

2013(?) can't come soon enough

Thanks for the great pics. I hate to rag on Detroit -- maybe it didn't look so hot compared to Buffalo and Cleveland because of the locations shot. And as long as America doesn't invade Canada, Windsor and Niagara Falls, Ontario will continue to be much higher quality cities in terms of urbanity and street life than their neighbors across the water. It never ceases to amaze how much American cities suck compared to Canadian cities, and Windsor and Niagara Falls, Ontario don't offer the best examples of Canadian urbanity, either. I realize Detroit and Niagara Falls, New York don't offer the best examples of American urbanity, but do we have to offer some our worst examples right there on the border?

^Both Toronto and Montreal also have miles of underground concourses with hundreds of stores in their downtowns connecting major buildings and subways, so it's not like people there necessarily love to embrace the cold.

You WOULD only post 7 pictures of Detroit, and have 2 of them be of a crappy, prostitute ridden stretch of West Fort Street!!

Quiet, Canton Township!

Did you scare people away from the streets of Cleveland?  Quit doing that!

 

I just assumed that these (the Cleveland ones) were taken on an early Sunday evening.

That is the only time that Cadillac Ranch's sidewalk patio is closed, IIRC?

That is correct.  It was on a Sunday evening coming back from Toronto.

 

Actually I think I remember seeing you. You were with 1 or 2 other guys at the E. 9th & Euclid intersection.

I just remember thinking 'too bad these guys are walking around, possibly visitors from out of town, with nothing open/going on on a Sunday evening'.

fyi, I was stopped at the red-light there that's why I had the time to give it this much thought. :)

 

Actually I think I remember seeing you. You were with 1 or 2 other guys at the E. 9th & Euclid intersection.

I just remember thinking 'too bad these guys are walking around, possibly visitors from out of town, with nothing open/going on on a Sunday evening'.

fyi, I was stopped at the red-light there that's why I had the time to give it this much thought. :)

 

LOL!  God, this is the SECOND time I was stalked by a Cleveland forumer!

 

Only the second time in the long history of UO that somebody from Cleveland sees you out and about?

btw, I would not call this a 'stalk'.

This is a 'siting'.

Actually it's a confluence of 2 events.

 

You should only wish I was 'stalking' you.  :-D

 

 

 

 

Only the second time in the long history of UO that somebody from Cleveland sees you out and about?

btw, I would not call this a 'stalk'.

This is a 'siting'.

Actually it's a confluence of 2 events.

 

You should only wish I was 'stalking' you.   :-D

 

STALKER!!!

Ooh, what a lovely smorgasbord...bring me more!

 

Oh whatever.

If I wanna meet the CDM, I'll just PM you.

 

 

The only person who PM's me is Jesus of Nazareth and we haven't talked in over 2000 years!

 

...err...uhh...

 

Yeah, you can PM!

 

I'll keep that in mind

^Canada "gets it" when it comes to being pedestrian-friendly. ...

Canada is not as wealthy as the US.  That is one reason their cities look different.

^Canada "gets it" when it comes to being pedestrian-friendly. ...

Canada is not as wealthy as the US. That is one reason their cities look different.

Therefore, they never had the means to build federally funded highways out to suburbs and exurbs if I am following this, correct? 

My hunch is that that was a factor.  And people dont want to drive far, they want to live close-in, so close-in real estate becomes more valuable.  And snazzy

Gosh I love Buffalo

 

Actually I think I remember seeing you. You were with 1 or 2 other guys at the E. 9th & Euclid intersection.

I just remember thinking 'too bad these guys are walking around, possibly visitors from out of town, with nothing open/going on on a Sunday evening'.

fyi, I was stopped at the red-light there that's why I had the time to give it this much thought. :)

 

LOL!  God, this is the SECOND time I was stalked by a Cleveland forumer!

 

he he he he he he he  >:D

Some really familiar shots of Buffalo!  Deleware Avenue row houses and the intersection of Elmwood and Allen in Allentown.

 

I like how the old "Marine Midland Bank" tower terminates the view down Main Street (sort of follow-up move to the way their city hall terminates the view on Niagra Square.

 

 

BTW,  I saw the downtown Toronto skyline from the Buffalo City Hall observation deck!  The weather was just right the day I was up there....the skyline and CN Tower where visible out on the distant horizon!

 

That was a great view, Lake Erie from the city hall.  On the left, US shore, you could see the Appalachians and it was all cloudy and stormy over the US, on the right, Canada, sunny and bright and clear.  A storm front had went through across the lake and you saw the last of it in the US, still. 

 

But sort of symbolic, too, of the relative politico-economic states of the US & Canada (like those allegorical Baroque paintings). 

 

 

You can't see the Toronto skyline from Buffalo due to the earth curvature.  Conversely, you cannot see Buffalo from Toronto's tallest point either (CN Tower).  What you can see from both cities is Niagara Falls, Ontario's skyline (which can look like Toronto with the bootleg CN Tower needle, large boxy skyline, etc).

The earth is flat.

Cleveland Public Schools (or Chagrin Falls ;)) failed you.

Isn't sightline/the horizon something like 60 miles out given the earth's curvature?

It goes without saying but it depends on what elevation you are at.  At 1,200ish above Toronto or 300ish above Buffalo, it is basically impossible to see either city at said elevation.  It's like those that claim to see Canada from Cedar Point or Milwaukee from the "Willis" Tower.  Hearsay!  But if Buffalo had a 1,815 needle as well, you could possibly see that tip from the CN Tower...but it's Buffalo.

Viewing from 1500 feet will allow you to see 47.5 miles to the horizon

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

 

Wikipedia's horizon article gives the METRIC equation

d is km, h is meters

distance = square root of (height * 12.7).

 

British units, d is miles , h is feet.

distance = square root of (height * 1.5)

 

From 1160 feet a.s.l. at Chapin Metropark, which is 600 feet higher than Lake Erie,  I can see 30 miles to the horizon on  Lake Erie.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_distance#Distance_to_the_horizon

Which means you can barely see Niagara Falls to begin with from Toronto!  I don't believe ANY building except in Asia will allow you to see that from an observation deck.

But you can see Canada from Cedar Point!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelee,_Ontario

 

Also, there is a very incredible and strange phenomenon where certain atmospheric conditions do allow you to see across Lake Erie. It relates to contrasting temperatures between the water and the air. I have witnessed this event with my own eyes where warehouses in Ontario were visible from Edgewater Park in Cleveland.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206349,00.html

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206349,00.html

 

It goes without saying but it depends on what elevation you are at. At 1,200ish above Toronto or 300ish above Buffalo, it is basically impossible to see either city at said elevation. It's like those that claim to see Canada from Cedar Point or Milwaukee from the "Willis" Tower. Hearsay! But if Buffalo had a 1,815 needle as well, you could possibly see that tip from the CN Tower...but it's Buffalo.

I am going to have a hard time believing you can see Pelee Island from Cedar Point, which is 40ish miles away at the tippy top of the Space Spiral/Dragster.  You can't even see Dayton from Carew Tower (which is taller than anything at Cedar Point) or Akron from the Terminal Tower and they both have skylines!

 

But I believe you on the second part, though.  I've heard you can see Chicago during those conditions from Benton Harbor/St. Joseph's in Michigan.

There are mornings when I can receive FM stations from Lansing, Michigan.  They are stronger than 90.3 WCPN.

I am going to have a hard time believing you can see Pelee Island from Cedar Point, which is 40ish miles away at the tippy top of the Space Spiral/Dragster. You can't even see Dayton from Carew Tower (which is taller than anything at Cedar Point) or Akron from the Terminal Tower and they both have skylines!

 

But I believe you on the second part, though. I've heard you can see Chicago during those conditions from Benton Harbor/St. Joseph's in Michigan.

 

usually, the visible distance in nautical miles is explained as = 1.17 x the square root of the height (in feet), so even at the top of dragster, there are still nearly ten miles of water before pelee island. so unless someone throws a mirror up really high and you catch the reflection, you can't see canada

I WIN!!!  Where's my damn prize!??!

What you can see from both cities is Niagara Falls, Ontario's skyline (which can look like Toronto with the bootleg CN Tower needle, large boxy skyline, etc).

 

This had to be what I saw!  I'm such a doof. 

 

Drove through Buffalo again, on my way back from Syracuse.  Upstate NY is....different.....

 

 

^how so in your opinion?

^

...because I should have known I couldnt see Toronto from Buffalo (and that the TO skyline would have been more impressive).

 

I sort of wonder if Buffalo was like Cincinnati in that it was sort of entre-port & staging area into the Midwest...in Buffalos case the upper Midwest.  It got big fast in the pre-Civil War era, sort of like Cincy did, so is a fairly "old' place in terms of some of the housing stock.

 

Another interesting historical factoid is that both Buffalo and Rochester where founded in the early 1800s, while Cincy and Dayton were founded in the late 1700s.  So these areas were settled around the same time.  Yet SW Ohio as a frontier was over 100 miles to the west from upstate NY.  Which measn that the frontier sort of was staggered in place as well as time. 

 

 

^

I sort of wonder if Buffalo was like Cincinnati in that it was sort of entre-port & staging area into the Midwest...in Buffalos case the upper Midwest.  It got big fast in the pre-Civil War era, sort of like Cincy did, so is a fairly "old' place in terms of some of the housing stock.

 

Another interesting historical factoid is that both Buffalo and Rochester where founded in the early 1800s, while Cincy and Dayton were founded in the late 1700s.  So these areas were settled around the same time.  Yet SW Ohio as a frontier was over 100 miles to the west from upstate NY.  Which measn that the frontier sort of was staggered in place as well as time. 

 

 

Jeffery, from my perspective as a native Syracusan, I think the topic you raise is very interesting. In Cities of the Heartland: The Rise and Fall of the Industrial Midwest, Jon C. Teaford explains that the opening of the Erie Canal in the 1820s across upstate New York was what began to shift growth from the cities of the Mississippi River system to the cities of the Great Lakes, which partly explains why Cincinnati and St. Louis had a head start over the cities on the lakes. The Erie Canal was also one of the factors in New York's rise to preeminence on the East Coast, because it suddenly had the best access to the interior.

 

The canal was the reason that the upstate cities grew to the sizes that they did and why so many of the villages in the canal corridor have "port" in their names. Rochester is unusual among the Great Lakes cities, though, in that it grew up on the falls of the Genesee River and then the canal, rather than because of its position on one of the lakes, and thus does not have the typical rectangular format of a lakeside city.