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The old Daley machine has been gone for 30 years. Richie Daley surely played some patronage politics, but the party machine in long gone.

 

Chicago machine politics is alive and well.  Daley Jr made some changes but patronage is the name of the game, these days through TIF bribery to alderman who step out of line.  Rahm is less machine but still a political strongman who if you don't show loyalty to him you get out.

 

Obama was generally viewed as an outsider, the Chicago Tribune repeatedly stated that the national media on the conservative side constantly calling him a symbol of Chicago style politics was flat out wrong.  Obama would broker deals with the machine to oftentimes go against their interest and was known for being quite skilled at it on the local level.

 

-Person living in Chicago (I think the way the right is pushing this narrative drives me nuts)  :shoot:

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The old Daley machine has been gone for 30 years. Richie Daley surely played some patronage politics, but the party machine in long gone.

 

Chicago machine politics is alive and well.  Daley Jr made some changes but patronage is the name of the game, these days through TIF bribery to alderman who step out of line.  Rahm is less machine but still a political strongman who if you don't show loyalty to him you get out.

 

Obama was generally viewed as an outsider, the Chicago Tribune repeatedly stated that the national media on the conservative side constantly calling him a symbol of Chicago style politics was flat out wrong.  Obama would broker deals with the machine to oftentimes go against their interest and was known for being quite skilled at it on the local level.

 

-Person living in Chicago (I think the way the right is pushing this narrative drives me nuts)  :shoot:

 

If that's the case, why were Emanuel and Daley his first two chiefs of staff?

 

What about his ties to Tony Rezko?

 

What about the release of Jack Ryan's sealed divorce records at the behest of the Trib?  Classic Daley "preventive politics", clearing his way to the Senate.

^His name gets dropped occasionally in the newspaper or in my conversations with other people who are up-to-date with politics, but I believe a large majority of people in SW Ohio wouldn't know what office he is running for if you asked. I'm sure coverage will ramp up in the spring, but until then he isn't going to be a household name around here.

 

He'll be a "household name" all right:

 

http://www.publicofficial14.com/

 

Don't be shy about posting claims which earned the prestigous "pants on fire" rating from politifact

 

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2013/apr/30/republican-governors-association/republican-governors-association-portrays-ed-fitzg/

 

The following is from the website ERocc 'shared' with us.  I've added a bit of clarification in bold for those who are interested in a more complete account....

 

Following that call (actually, a month later), Bill Neiheiser made a sizeable ($250) contribution to Public Official 14’s political campaign and soon after (two months later) got (i.e. was approved by a vote of City council) the government contract to manage (i.e. lease and operate at a monthly fee to the City.... not to mention the $2million in improvements the company completed to) the local ice rink.

 

Sound like a coincidence to you?

 

^His name gets dropped occasionally in the newspaper or in my conversations with other people who are up-to-date with politics, but I believe a large majority of people in SW Ohio wouldn't know what office he is running for if you asked. I'm sure coverage will ramp up in the spring, but until then he isn't going to be a household name around here.

 

He'll be a "household name" all right:

 

http://www.publicofficial14.com/

 

Don't be shy about posting claims which earned the prestigous "pants on fire" rating from politifact

 

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2013/apr/30/republican-governors-association/republican-governors-association-portrays-ed-fitzg/

 

The following is from the website ERocc 'shared' with us.  I've added a bit of clarification in bold for those who are interested in a more complete account....

 

Following that call (actually, a month later), Bill Neiheiser made a sizeable ($250) contribution to Public Official 14’s political campaign and soon after (two months later) got (i.e. was approved by a vote of City council) the government contract to manage (i.e. lease and operate at a monthly fee to the City.... not to mention the $2million in improvements the company completed to) the local ice rink.

 

Sound like a coincidence to you?

 

 

Personally, I think the guy is basically about as honest as you can be and still get ahead in Cuyahoga County.

 

But his ties to the investigation will be an issue, just as Kasich's to Lehman Brothers were.

I don't know what the whole Public Official 14 thing is all about, but to me it sounds like it will be a controversy on the level that Benghazi was a controversy for Obama. Granted, I don't know all the details of the PO14 business, but it sounds like people making mountains out of molehills.

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Nobody is surprised by hypocrisy coming from public officials (or private ones either).  But this one from current Ohio Governor/former Fox News commentator John Kasich is a doozy:

 

Kasich touts road built by funds he berated

Capitol Insider - Darrel Rowland, The Columbus Dispatch

Sunday, October 6, 2013 - 10:59 AM

 

Gov. John Kasich heralded the completion of the Nelsonville bypass on U.S. 33 last week, calling it “great news for SE Ohio,” “Stronger infrastructure” and “More jobs,” on his Twitter feed, Reporter Joe Vardon noted.  The governor included #OhioModel, which in Twitter-speak is how Kasich tries to show the progress Ohio has made under his watch.

 

But Phases II and III of the Nelsonville Bypass project included $137.4 million from President Barack Obama’s federal stimulus package, allocated under then-Gov. Ted Strickland in 2009, with stimulus-backed construction beginning in October 2011.

 

In July 2009, Kasich, then a candidate for the office he now holds, blasted the stimulus package during a televised appearance with former Fox News colleague Sean Hannity.

 

“Sean, you know, you and I both wished that we were wrong and that the stimulus was going to work,” Kasich said.  “You and I both said at the time that it was filled with pork, special favors, backslapping one politician to another.  And it hasn’t worked.  And in fact, the states have abused the money.  They have not used it effectively to create jobs.  They’ve not improved productivity.”

 

MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/10/06/kasich-touts-road-built-by-funds-he-berated.html

Nobody is surprised by hypocrisy coming from public officials (or private ones either).  But this one from current Ohio Governor/former Fox News commentator John Kasich is a doozy:

 

Kasich touts road built by funds he berated

Capitol Insider - Darrel Rowland, The Columbus Dispatch

Sunday, October 6, 2013 - 10:59 AM

 

Gov. John Kasich heralded the completion of the Nelsonville bypass on U.S. 33 last week, calling it “great news for SE Ohio,” “Stronger infrastructure” and “More jobs,” on his Twitter feed, Reporter Joe Vardon noted.  The governor included #OhioModel, which in Twitter-speak is how Kasich tries to show the progress Ohio has made under his watch.

 

But Phases II and III of the Nelsonville Bypass project included $137.4 million from President Barack Obama’s federal stimulus package, allocated under then-Gov. Ted Strickland in 2009, with stimulus-backed construction beginning in October 2011.

 

In July 2009, Kasich, then a candidate for the office he now holds, blasted the stimulus package during a televised appearance with former Fox News colleague Sean Hannity.

 

“Sean, you know, you and I both wished that we were wrong and that the stimulus was going to work,” Kasich said.  “You and I both said at the time that it was filled with pork, special favors, backslapping one politician to another.  And it hasn’t worked.  And in fact, the states have abused the money.  They have not used it effectively to create jobs.  They’ve not improved productivity.”

 

MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/10/06/kasich-touts-road-built-by-funds-he-berated.html

 

Of course.  There were plenty of Tea Party politicians blasting the ARRA in front of the cameras, but sending letters requesting funding at the same time.  Part of the theatre of politics.  If only the rubes understood.

^He deserves to be called on for his hypocrisy or his incompetency (whichever it is in this case) and be booted out! Kudos to the Dispatch for writing this---I only hope that people beyond Columbus get the story.

The Nelsonville Bypass, despite the stimulus funds (which one would think would encourage waste), still cost half per mile as compared to the upcoming Portsmouth Bypass. 

  • 3 weeks later...

Not sure where to put this.  But Kasich was the one who shoved the Medicaid expansion "down our throats", so it probably best fits here.  The story is that, even though they ardently opposed doing the expansion, the GOP leaders in the state house want to enact an across the board tax cut with the savings.  The proposed tax cut would give the average middle class family about $40 extra dollars for the year.  One more trip to Applebee's for two, in other words.  Since it is an even across the board 4% cut, the savings would disproportionately go to the wealthy..... ooops, I mean "job creators".

 

The counter proposal from the evil socialists on the other side of the aisle is to use the money for education and public services.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2013/10/ohio_senate_gop_leaders_seek_i.html#incart_river_default

Hm.

 

Ohio Governor Defies G.O.P. With Defense of Social Safety Net

 

COLUMBUS, Ohio — In his grand Statehouse office beneath a bust of Lincoln, Gov. John R. Kasich let loose on fellow Republicans in Washington.

 

“I’m concerned about the fact there seems to be a war on the poor,” he said, sitting at the head of a burnished table as members of his cabinet lingered after a meeting. “That if you’re poor, somehow you’re shiftless and lazy.”

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/29/us/politics/ohio-governor-defies-gop-with-defense-of-social-safety-net.html?hp

^Although there is plenty he does and supports which I don't like, it is this type of independent streak which will probably lead me to vote for Kasich when he is up for re-election.  I may not like him, but I respect him.

That tea party redistribution of wealth reference just frames those people perfectly.

He's gotta win a statewide election, not just an out-of-the-way fiefdom like some House members do.

He's obviously angling for re-election and perhaps higher office, but as cynical as I am, that only counts against him if he's truly insincere. He made some pretty severe cuts to local funding of schools, make the income tax less progressive and pushed SB5, which count against him in my book (some of those cuts were inevitable, though), but after backpedaling...he's kept backpedaling. At what point does it become real? Show me the results, I guess. Medicaid expansion is the first big point where I given him credit, but it's also a pretty easy win for him. Business and healthcare interests were solidly behind it. Who did he really bother? The Tea Party grumbled at him. So what? They won't sabotage his election. Writing bonds, rather than leasing the turnpike - okay, better than proposed originally. Pointing out the massive, massive, hypocrisy in the hyper-religious right's apathy towards the poor? Brownie points for saying the right things, not much else. Much of this is expected - Kasich doesn't stick to the script. It's a start, though.

 

What I haven't seen are significant results in his jobs development platform as opposed to Lee Fisher's. Ohio is mostly treading water. But it's hard to know how much of that is really determined by what he does, or what anyone in the statehouse does. He signed the arguably unconstitutional heartbeat bill, but that's in concert with the compassionate conservative image he's chosen to project, so, politically, it makes sense to keep that sector of his base very happy. Even so, if he wants to show he's really against a war on the poor, he'll need to do more. He needs to piss off the extreme part of the Tea Party and not care. He has to be pragmatic and principled, not just one or the other depending on the issue. I'm not yet convinced he'll continue to chart a true middle course. At the end of the day, he's at the head of a column of representatives and senators who are probably the most arch-conservative in recent Ohio history. If Kasich can be moderate, so can Fitzgerald. To get the disaffected republicans like me, I think he needs to do something really, really, big. He needs to actually stick out his neck and show that he's serious when he says "let the chips fall where they may."

Good Kaisch things:

 

Expanding Medicaid, Great Lakes Water Compact, Attempting to tax shale gas.

 

All cancelled out by the SB5 and Jobs Ohio.  SB5 did not show independent thought, it showed Koch love.  Jobs Ohio is a massive giveaway of public resources and revenues to cronies.

 

 

Kasich was not at the forefrong of SB5.  That was in the works before he got elected and was pushed (mostly) and definitely drafted specifically by certain General Assembly members from SW Ohio, spearheaded by Shannon Jones (Sen. - Springboro).  Believe it or not, Kasih actually insisted upon several material changes to the initial draft which took the bill off the deep end and made it, frankly, unworkable.

Kasich is very set in his ways. He gets what he wants. That can be good (Medicaid expansion) and it can be bad (3C Rail). I would say most of that is bad. Unfortunately for Fitzgerald, I can't imagine he will get much done in office with such an extreme right legislature that likely won't change direction until there is a state constitutional amendment to redistrict fairly (my personal favorite is the split line voting method since it is impossible to rig) that succeeds.

^Although there is plenty he does and supports which I don't like, it is this type of independent streak which will probably lead me to vote for Kasich when he is up for re-election.  I may not like him, but I respect him.

 

Don't take the bait.  Medicaid expansion is low-hanging fruit to trick people into thinking he has an independent streak.  All of that goes out the window when he has an unaccountable second term and a gerrymandered legislative branch with which to conspire as he angles towards the right to appeal to the wingnuts he's going to need to sway as he makes an unsuccessful bid for the White House.

Kasich is very set in his ways. He gets what he wants. That can be good (Medicaid expansion) and it can be bad (3C Rail). I would say most of that is bad. Unfortunately for Fitzgerald, I can't imagine he will get much done in office with such an extreme right legislature that likely won't change direction until there is a state constitutional amendment to redistrict fairly (my personal favorite is the split line voting method since it is impossible to rig) that succeeds.

 

Well, in the meantime, even if FitzGerald gets nothing done, at the very least he'd be able to serve as a check on an otherwise increasingly extremist legislative branch.  Kasich grumbles at the legislative branch often (probably for show as much as anything), but he almost always goes along with the crap they throw at him with minimal modifications.  With FitzGerald in office, that dynamic changes completely.

Good Kaisch things:

 

Expanding Medicaid, Great Lakes Water Compact, Attempting to tax shale gas.

 

All cancelled out by the SB5 and Jobs Ohio.  SB5 did not show independent thought, it showed Koch love.  Jobs Ohio is a massive giveaway of public resources and revenues to cronies.

 

SB5 was an error, both tactically and in principle, because the cops and firemen were dragged in.  Jobs Ohio?  Nothing dramatically worse that what's been done in the past, by both parties.

 

Say what you want about Kasich, he's a leader that gets results.  Far more of one than Taft or Strickland.  Since we're a generally conservative state, he'll get re-elected.

^Although there is plenty he does and supports which I don't like, it is this type of independent streak which will probably lead me to vote for Kasich when he is up for re-election.  I may not like him, but I respect him.

 

Don't take the bait.  Medicaid expansion is low-hanging fruit to trick people into thinking he has an independent streak.  All of that goes out the window when he has an unaccountable second term and a gerrymandered legislative branch with which to conspire as he angles towards the right to appeal to the wingnuts he's going to need to sway as he makes an unsuccessful bid for the White House.

 

That's where I differ in my opinion on Kasich.  I think he is smart enough to know that 'appealing to the wingnuts' is not going to get him re-elected to the state house, and if history tells us anything it is that if a GOPer can't win Ohio he can't win the White House.  It has never happened before in our entire electoral history.  Kasich was born and raised in a liberal area.  He's a fiscal conservative for sure, but his ability to empathize softens his social policies to a point that he'll never be a darling of the 'wingnuts.'  Outside of fiscal policy, he is quite moderate.  In fact, he has shown the ability and willingness to tell the wingnuts to go kick rocks when their desires get in the way of his agenda.  The medicaid expansion is hardly the only time he has ignored the wishes of the Tea Party types.  He also, for instance, continued LGB benefits for state employees.... only modifying Strickland's policy to remove the "T", something I might've done myself.

"Jobs Ohio?  Nothing dramatically worse that what's been done in the past, by both parties."

 

What does that even mean?  Both sides are bad is not valid.  The Repubs did this and it's bad, period.

 

It's a giveaway of public monies to private parties and cronies.  It's indefensible.

 

 

He also, for instance, continued LGB benefits for state employees.... only modifying Strickland's policy to remove the "T", something I might've done myself.

 

LOL!  I always suspected the "T" was your sides version of our far-out gun nuts....people we back to keep the "battle lines" firmly on the other side of the street.  8-)

 

You're right.  Kasich is a "moderate" on the social-cultural issues and always has been.  Of course, the original "Tea Party" was intentionally neutral on such things.

That's where I differ in my opinion on Kasich.  I think he is smart enough to know that 'appealing to the wingnuts' is not going to get him re-elected to the state house, and if history tells us anything it is that if a GOPer can't win Ohio he can't win the White House.  It has never happened before in our entire electoral history.  Kasich was born and raised in a liberal area.  He's a fiscal conservative for sure, but his ability to empathize softens his social policies to a point that he'll never be a darling of the 'wingnuts.'  Outside of fiscal policy, he is quite moderate.  In fact, he has shown the ability and willingness to tell the wingnuts to go kick rocks when their desires get in the way of his agenda.  The medicaid expansion is hardly the only time he has ignored the wishes of the Tea Party types.  He also, for instance, continued LGB benefits for state employees.... only modifying Strickland's policy to remove the "T", something I might've done myself.

 

My worry is not regarding his behavior before next November.  My concern is what his behavior will be like after the Gubernatorial election in 2014 and during the Presidential primary season in 2015 and early 2016.  At that point in time, Ohio will serve as his canvass to try to appeal to and impress the extremists that typically vote in those primaries.  With a likely Republican majority controlling the Ohio legislative branch, I can only imagine what kind of ridiculous policies are going to pass muster.  And let's remember, quite a few "fiscally conservative, socially moderate" Republicans have done some outlandish things to try to polish their image for the ultraconservatives that come out for Presidential primaries.

SB5 was an error, both tactically and in principle, because the cops and firemen were dragged in.  Jobs Ohio?  Nothing dramatically worse that what's been done in the past, by both parties.

 

Okay, come on now, in principle, why should exceptions be made for some public employees but not others?  I understand why you would say that tactically it was a mistake, though, because anyone can get behind punishing those evil teachers and BMV employees by instituting Draconian reforms.

SB5 was an error, both tactically and in principle, because the cops and firemen were dragged in.  Jobs Ohio?  Nothing dramatically worse that what's been done in the past, by both parties.

 

Okay, come on now, in principle, why should exceptions be made for some public employees but not others?  I understand why you would say that tactically it was a mistake, though, because anyone can get behind punishing those evil teachers and BMV employees by instituting Draconian reforms.

 

In the case of cops and firemen, safety.  In cities where there is significant hostility towards the police, the FOP is actually their primary protection against pandering governments.

 

I personally opposed SB5 largely for this reason.  So did Tim Grendell, at one time the loudest Tea Party activist in the legislature (IIRC he was appointed to a judgeship before the vote).  It was also part of Steve LaTourrette's opposition.

^^^Take a look at the last two GOP presidential primaries.  For all the hype given to the Rick Santorums, the Michelle Bacmanns, and their ilk.... the GOP primaries are STILL decided by the upper middle-class suburban crowds who vote much more moderate than the local Tea Party gathering in Cornfield, Iowa.  Given the field which was in the running for the nomination, McCain and Romney were about the most moderate, mainstream candidates you coulc have hope for.  Now, if you told me that Kasich's ultimate aspirations were to be the next big thing on Fox News or AM radio, or even the next Jim DeMint or Sarah Palin, I might agree with you.  But I think he has other plans.... big plans.

Kasich is not completely batsh$t crazy like his legislature, but he did just sign some fairly sweeping anti abortion legislation and opposes civil unions (let alone gay marriage). That people even consider this medicaid vote "courageous" just highlights how ridiculous state politics have gotten. I think his "moderation" on social issues is slightly overrated.

Kasich is not completely batsh$t crazy like his legislature, but he did just sign some fairly sweeping anti abortion legislation and opposes civil unions (let alone gay marriage). That people even consider this medicaid vote "courageous" just highlights how ridiculous state politics have gotten. I think his "moderation" on social issues is slightly overrated.

 

He's really in a great position right now.  The legislature gives him cover as he pretends to be a moderate on a number of issues, while behind the scenes agreeing with or at least giving in to much of the legislature's demands.  He can throw his hands up publicly exclaiming that he has no choice but to sign their extremist legislation into law.  At some point moderate voters need to start seeing through this act.

In the case of cops and firemen, safety.  In cities where there is significant hostility towards the police, the FOP is actually their primary protection against pandering governments.

 

I personally opposed SB5 largely for this reason.  So did Tim Grendell, at one time the loudest Tea Party activist in the legislature (IIRC he was appointed to a judgeship before the vote).  It was also part of Steve LaTourrette's opposition.

 

And there are a lot of good, roughly similar reasons why educators need a strong voice as well.  Of course they can go too far at times, but it's a give-and-take.

I don't think he gets credit for common sense and frankly, self preservation. Anyone with half a brain (Josh, I'm looking at you) could see what was going on here.

He's certainly better at playing politics than a Tea Party automaton that marches himself and his party right off a cliff.

In the case of cops and firemen, safety.  In cities where there is significant hostility towards the police, the FOP is actually their primary protection against pandering governments.

 

I personally opposed SB5 largely for this reason.  So did Tim Grendell, at one time the loudest Tea Party activist in the legislature (IIRC he was appointed to a judgeship before the vote).  It was also part of Steve LaTourrette's opposition.

 

And there are a lot of good, roughly similar reasons why educators need a strong voice as well.  Of course they can go too far at times, but it's a give-and-take.

 

I don't think anyone is actually opposed to effective schools.  In the case of the police, it's a different matter.

I don't think anyone is actually opposed to effective schools.  In the case of the police, it's a different matter.

 

We're talking past one another here I believe.  While many would claim that they are not opposed to "effective" schools, there are many people (parents, citizens, politicians, etc.) that regularly put up roadblocks for educators.  That's where the necessity of a strong voice for educators exists.  There may be specific differences between these roadblocks and the ones that public safety employees face, but the general notion that such challenges exists is not all that different.

"When we beat you like a drum every single year, you'd better start looking for a new rival"

 

-Kasich, on the idea that the M******* State rivalry might mean as much to TTUN these days.

Cuyahoga is the biggest county in the state, yet Franklin County (Columbus) has gotten far more job-creating tax credits than Cleveland. With an election coming up, you'd think he'd fix this given that Metro Cleveland is the most populated part of the state....

 

Tax breaks by each county:

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/interactive/article/20131118/BIZ/131115017/Where-tax-breaks-go

 

I bet that this type of behavior is fairly typical regardless of which administration is in charge.

  • 2 weeks later...

The Tea Party seems to be telling Kasich to either "Get on the Express or get run over by it"......

 

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2013/12/tea_party_leader_ted_stevenot.html#incart_river_default

 

He'll be getting on the express right after he wins in November.  He has to make sure he fools as many moderates as possible into voting for him before he joins up with the nutjobs in the statehouse in pushing their Tea Party agenda.

The Tea Party seems to be telling Kasich to either "Get on the Express or get run over by it"......

 

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2013/12/tea_party_leader_ted_stevenot.html#incart_river_default

 

He'll be getting on the express right after he wins in November.  He has to make sure he fools as many moderates as possible into voting for him before he joins up with the nutjobs in the statehouse in pushing their Tea Party agenda.

 

Kasich has gone against the grain of typical conservative expectations on a number of matters so far.  No real reason to think his second term will be any different.  I suspect he's giving consideration to a presidential run and would like to avoid any major dustups

Kasich has indeed gone against the nut jobs in the senate on several occasions but what's to stop him without a re-election hanging over him. Is he truly a moderate Republican or will he veer hard right after the election

He won last time without fooling anybody.  He hasn't really lied about his positions, as much as we may disagree with them.

He won last time without fooling anybody.  He hasn't really lied about his positions, as much as we may disagree with them.

 

This is true, even though Strickland lost more than Kasich won.  That was the most inept reelection campaign I have ever seen except for Bush the Elder's.

I their endorsement in 2010, Cleveland's Largest Newspaper conceded that they did not know what Kasich's positions were. Naive

  • 4 weeks later...

Jobs data continues to be bad for the State as a whole.  When he took over, the State was trending slightly upwards just going off the raw numbers....... now heading in the wrong direction.  It's going to be interesting to see how Kasich explains this to his followers/supporters.  Perhaps more interesting is the question of whether they will care.  Both revelations will be very telling as to whether stated priorities/principles of both are truly genuine or just easy-made talking points.

  • 3 weeks later...

Republicans invented these regulations like "admitting privileges" and other tyrannical applications of government power to force abortion clinics to close. I cannot understand why the AMA does not intervene and stop Ohio legislators. They must roll over for the great tax breaks for millionaires.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/30/ohio-abortion-restrictions-budget-bill_n_3526844.html

 

The budget also included several controversial anti-abortion measures, including one that will force any woman seeking an abortion to undergo a trans-abdominal ultrasound.  Another measure of the budget puts Planned Parenthood last on the list of family-planning dollars, which essentially cuts off $1.4 million in federal funding, The Columbus Dispatch reported. Per WLWT.com, "Opponents of the new abortion restriction said that three clinics in Ohio would likely close now that the measure is implemented."

 

Rape crisis clinics are also in jeopardy, thanks to passage of the new budget. If these clinics are caught counseling sexual assault victims about abortion, they could lose their public funding, Reuters reported.  The bill does provide funding for "crisis pregnancy centers," which are often run by religious organizations and do not provide accurate health information to patients. These centers do not offer abortion referral services.

...

And if a woman is able to obtain an abortion in Ohio and develops some sort of medical issue during the procedure, clinics will no longer be allowed to transfer these patients to public hospitals for additional care. In the midst of a crisis, these patients must find a private hospital to help them.

This is why I have a huge problem anytime someone calls Kasich a "moderate."  He is constantly rolling over for the ultraconservative legislature in this state, even if he pretends to have a different view on an issue.  It's also why a second-term Kasich with nothing to lose should worry any Ohioan that doesn't want more extremist conservative legislation becoming law.

I think they mean he wants to moderate women's bodies, hence the term

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