TBideon gets the "droll and dry prize" for this morning on the UO forum!

This probably cant hurt his re-election chances this fall

 

http://jobs-ohio.com/news/ge-bringing-1400-jobs-greater-cincinnati/

Probably not, but I'll remain eternally skeptical of JobsOhio and its "working with the company" to make this happen.

He's promising $10M from JobsOhio if a GOP convention comes to the state.

 

A younger John Kasich makes a cameo in the ninth minute of this video:

 

Once a bully, always a bully!

How you can interpret anything he said as bullying, is beyond me.

I don't know about bullying, but the fact that case was used (and still is) as perhaps the loudest rallying cry for tort reform is a classic example of how facts get overshadowed by headlines.  Most people have no idea what that case was about and simply assume some old lady bought coffee from McDonald's, spilled it in her lap, and was awarded nearly $3 million.  Furthermore, the very idea of tort reform (especially on a national level) is so contra to many of the GOP's stated principles, it is laughable whenever I hear them clamoring for it.  I personally believe that tort reform is something we should look at routinely, but I happen to be one of the people who think that our representative form of government, as opposed to direct democracy, is a pretty good idea regardless if we now have the technological capability to do the latter. 

Kasich is so frat.

Well, as a Dem, this is a) terribly depressing but b) also spot-on.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/29/us/fumbled-bid-for-governor-imperils-ohio-democrats.html?emc=edit_th_20140929&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=62348678&_r=0

While I am probably voting for Kasich anyways, I am getting a kick out of all the ads touting how Kasich brought Ohio out of shambles and on the road to recovery.  I don't see Dems challenging him too much on that, and you certainly don't hear a peep out of his GOP allies, it is comical that Ohio's recovery during Kasich's term is no better than America's 'absolutely dismal recovery' we heard about non-stop leading up to the 2012 election.  Hypocrisy like this confirms so much...

This is probably going to be a good race for incumbents and incumbent parties since "things are going OK".

Things are going OK for the GOP incumbents.  For the Democrat incumbents, the nation is crumbling into anarchy, Muslim jihadists are preparing for an mass invasion, white Christian girls are being raped and their rapists are getting Presidential pardons, guns are being taken away from law abiding citizens and given to anyone who can prove a gang affiliation, and Apple pies are being purposefully infected with Ebola.

Things are going OK for the GOP incumbents.  For the Democrat incumbents, the nation is crumbling into anarchy, Muslim jihadists are preparing for an mass invasion, white Christian girls are being raped and their rapists are getting Presidential pardons, guns are being taken away from law abiding citizens and given to anyone who can prove a gang affiliation, and Apple pies are being purposefully infected with Ebola.

 

Mmmmm African as Ebola Pie.    Good stuff. 

More accurately, the map was simply rough for Democratic incumbents this cycle.

 

In 2016, it will be almost the complete opposite.  In the U.S. Senate, for example, the Democrats will be trying to defend 10 seats; the Republicans will have to defend 24(!).  And many of those Republican seats will be in blue-leaning states, including Illinois and Pennsylvania, which the GOP only picked up in 2010 in a wave election.  Unless the 2016 GOP presidential candidate is truly inspiring--in a way that, frankly, no one in either party has been for a long time now--the GOP will never be able to hold those.  And they have even more Senators up for election in swing states: Florida, Iowa, Louisiana (leans conservative but the GOP incumbent is not going to keep his seat if he wins the 2015 Louisiana governor's race), North Carolina, Wisconsin, and (last but not least) Ohio.  I'm sure the GOP will hold onto some incumbents there (Portman seems reasonably strong, for example), but the odds of them holding all of them are very slim.  And just about the only possible win the Republicans have in that cycle against a Democrat is in Colorado.

 

And while Fitzgerald is doing a good job reminding us of how Democrats can shoot themselves in the foot, let's not forget that Republicans are hardly immune to foot-in-mouth disease, either.

Is now a bad time to ask to restart the CCC rail program?

More accurately, the map was simply rough for Democratic incumbents this cycle.

 

In 2016, it will be almost the complete opposite.  In the U.S. Senate, for example, the Democrats will be trying to defend 10 seats; the Republicans will have to defend 24(!).  And many of those Republican seats will be in blue-leaning states, including Illinois and Pennsylvania, which the GOP only picked up in 2010 in a wave election.  Unless the 2016 GOP presidential candidate is truly inspiring--in a way that, frankly, no one in either party has been for a long time now--the GOP will never be able to hold those.  And they have even more Senators up for election in swing states: Florida, Iowa, Louisiana (leans conservative but the GOP incumbent is not going to keep his seat if he wins the 2015 Louisiana governor's race), North Carolina, Wisconsin, and (last but not least) Ohio.  I'm sure the GOP will hold onto some incumbents there (Portman seems reasonably strong, for example), but the odds of them holding all of them are very slim.  And just about the only possible win the Republicans have in that cycle against a Democrat is in Colorado.

 

And while Fitzgerald is doing a good job reminding us of how Democrats can shoot themselves in the foot, let's not forget that Republicans are hardly immune to foot-in-mouth disease, either.

 

I'm not seeing a whole lot of gloating in my right wing circles.  Some to be sure.  The consensus is that once again, the people voted for gridlock because they simply don't trust government....in the hands of either party.

 

The only way the GOP reverses this in 2016 is if Obama goes full nuclear with executive orders on the more radical parts of his agenda.  Some expect that.  I don't:  he's simply too indecisive.

 

Kasich made it clear in his acceptance speech that he is thinking of running for President.  He won't get far.  He's won two elections he was given:  by Strickland embracing Obama and by Edmund Fitzgerald bringing on the gales of November.

Kasich made it clear in his acceptance speech that he is thinking of running for President.  He won't get far.  He's won two elections he was given:  by Strickland embracing Obama and by Edmund Fitzgerald bringing on the gales of November.[/color]

 

Good call. His uncharacteristic mention of "the Lord" in his acceptance speech was very calculated. He knew that soundbyte would get airplay nationally.

 

Thing is, I still don't buy that Kasich is really that popular in Ohio. In the unlikely scenario he is the nominee in 2016 I could see him lose the state of Ohio.

Not saying this election isn't important, but the really important races for the foreseeable future in Ohio are 2018.

 

This will determine the new state legislative boundaries (those same state legislators draw the US Congressional districts)

 

Ohio's state legislative lines are drawn by a five-member politician commission, in place since 1967. The commission consists of the Governor, Auditor, Secretary of State, one commissioner chosen by the speaker of the House in concert with his party's leader in the Senate; and the other chosen by the House minority leader along with his party's leader in the Senate.

 

If the Democrats in Ohio can take control of at least two statewide races for 2018 (Governor, Auditor, and Secretary of State) they overpower the one loss and can redraw the lines to gain control with the new census results in 2020.

 

As for Kasich, I see him as a really valuable VP pick. Provided he doesn't do anything stupid in the next two years as Governor, he could help a Republican Presidential candidate win Ohio.

Maybe, but even though I voted for him yesterday, I would definitely not run him against Hillary for president and I would honestly hesitate to run him for VP.  I could see him in a Republican Cabinet after 2018, but that might be it.

Kasich is way too arrogant to ever settle for VP, and he'd never survive the national media scrutiny that would come with a presidential bid.

Kasich is way too arrogant to ever settle for VP, and he'd never survive the national media scrutiny that would come with a presidential bid.

 

Kasich would mess up royally in a debate.  "Binders full of Women" squared. 

and he'd never survive the national media scrutiny that would come with a presidential bid.

 

Really? How do you think the media attention would harm him? He's been a national media figure for fifteen years and doesn't seem to act with the beligerance he does with the state/local media.

 

If anything, his record as governor is almost devoid of anything bold or noteworthy enough to hurt him as a Presidential candidate.

 

He's more suited to VP. And I mean, if Joe Biden can survive media scrutiny as VP then anyone can.

People feel bad about what happened to Biden's first family.

People feel bad about what happened to Biden's first family.

 

Biden doesn't come across as a total prick.  Kasich and his henchman come across as exactly what they are -- bullies who will poke your eyes out then blame you for not being able to see. 

 

Eh, with Biden, the unflattering word of choice was "smug," which certainly rubs a lot of people the wrong way.  We don't feel that as much here because we're a bunch of dudes yakking on the Internet.  Smug people are kindred spirits.

Kasich made it clear in his acceptance speech that he is thinking of running for President.  He won't get far.  He's won two elections he was given:  by Strickland embracing Obama and by Edmund Fitzgerald bringing on the gales of November.[/color]

 

Good call. His uncharacteristic mention of "the Lord" in his acceptance speech was very calculated. He knew that soundbyte would get airplay nationally.

 

Thing is, I still don't buy that Kasich is really that popular in Ohio. In the unlikely scenario he is the nominee in 2016 I could see him lose the state of Ohio.

 

The thing that made it very clear was his talk about spreading the success beyond Ohio.

 

This state needs a viable Democratic Party, which (here) means a more conservative one. What else keeps the puritans downstate in check?  Especially with Batchelder leaving.

I think a lot of Dems stayed home this time around.

I think a lot of Dems stayed home this time around.

 

What else is new in an off-year election? These statewide and statehouse elections are handed on a silver-platter to the GOP. I would like to blame this on "the people," but the system is rigged from the way districts are drawn, to the amount of money in campaigns, to who has access to get their names on the ballots, to when voting occurs, even to the way that elections are decided (i.e. first-past-the-post). Until we make some serious to all of these aforementioned issues, we'll keep ending up with these subpar politicians that don't really represent the views of the people or have any motivation to do so.

Maybe, but even though I voted for him yesterday, I would definitely not run him against Hillary for president and I would honestly hesitate to run him for VP.  I could see him in a Republican Cabinet after 2018, but that might be it.

I'm not a Hillary fan, but I think she would completely expose and destroy Kasich in a single debate. But then, any reasonably solid female candidate should. He's a misogynist and completely unapologetic about it. Very much a product of the time and the 1950s WASP-y culture he grew up in.

 

It would be not unlike David Duke debating Martin Luther King Jr. in the face of the former's glaring racist beliefs. Run from or embrace them, either way, he's damned.

 

The reality is that Kasich is buddy-buddy with Jeb Bush. If a "Bush III" candidacy gets the green light from the real powers that be that are pulling the strings, Kasich will be his VP choice. That's Kasich's only real chance of being relevant on the national stage in 2016.

People feel bad about what happened to Biden's first family.

 

Biden doesn't come across as a total prick.  Kasich and his henchman come across as exactly what they are -- bullies who will poke your eyes out then blame you for not being able to see.

It's not just Kasich and his lackeys. That's the modus operandi of the entire Republican Party these days. They revel in mean-spiritedness and cruelty, and go largely unpunished for it.

People feel bad about what happened to Biden's first family.

 

Biden doesn't come across as a total prick.  Kasich and his henchman come across as exactly what they are -- bullies who will poke your eyes out then blame you for not being able to see.

It's not just Kasich and his lackeys. That's the modus operandi of the entire Republican Party these days. They revel in mean-spiritedness and cruelty, and go largely unpunished for it.

 

The thing that's so amazing is that these are the exact sort of guys who bully and physically abuse their wives, yet all of the old middle class ladies out there who were bullied and abused by their husbands back in the 40s and 50s vote for these guys in part because they're so nasty toward poor women. 

People feel bad about what happened to Biden's first family.

 

Biden doesn't come across as a total prick.  Kasich and his henchman come across as exactly what they are -- bullies who will poke your eyes out then blame you for not being able to see.

It's not just Kasich and his lackeys. That's the modus operandi of the entire Republican Party these days. They revel in mean-spiritedness and cruelty, and go largely unpunished for it.

 

Keep stereotyping.  It keeps us in office.

 

Many, perhaps most liberals don't understand one basic fact about Republican voters.  We don't love or trust corporations or the GOP.  We just distrust government, and by extension those who advocate big intrusive "we know best" government, one hell of a lot more.

Yeah except government business is observable by the press and the public.  Why the hell would you trust a company or corporation where the press and you yourself have absolutely no way to know what the hell they have up their sleeve?  Their board of directors and executives are usually not public figures and their meetings and emails are certainly not public.  Plus the profit motive has their lobbyists actively trying to throw as many people in prison, start wars, get addicted to cigarettes and unhealthy food, kill wildlife to extinction, spoil farmland and tear up national parks, etc. 

People feel bad about what happened to Biden's first family.

 

Biden doesn't come across as a total prick.  Kasich and his henchman come across as exactly what they are -- bullies who will poke your eyes out then blame you for not being able to see.

It's not just Kasich and his lackeys. That's the modus operandi of the entire Republican Party these days. They revel in mean-spiritedness and cruelty, and go largely unpunished for it.

 

Keep stereotyping.  It keeps us in office.

 

Many, perhaps most liberals don't understand one basic fact about Republican voters.  We don't love or trust corporations or the GOP.  We just distrust government, and by extension those who advocate big intrusive "we know best" government, one hell of a lot more.

 

Most of these concerns revolve around the restrictions on the use and availability of consumer products though.

Why the hell would you trust a company or corporation where the press and you yourself have absolutely no way to know what the hell they have up their sleeve?  Their board of directors and executives are usually not public figures and their meetings and emails are certainly not public.  Plus the profit motive has their lobbyists actively trying to throw as many people in prison, start wars, get addicted to cigarettes and unhealthy food, kill wildlife to extinction, spoil farmland and tear up national parks, etc. 

 

OMG.  That is insanity. 

 

The thing that's so amazing is that these are the exact sort of guys who bully and physically abuse their wives, yet all of the old middle class ladies out there who were bullied and abused by their husbands back in the 40s and 50s vote for these guys in part because they're so nasty toward poor women. 

 

Are you still talking about Republicans?

Yeah except government business is observable by the press and the public.  Why the hell would you trust a company or corporation where the press and you yourself have absolutely no way to know what the hell they have up their sleeve?  Their board of directors and executives are usually not public figures and their meetings and emails are certainly not public.  Plus the profit motive has their lobbyists actively trying to throw as many people in prison, start wars, get addicted to cigarettes and unhealthy food, kill wildlife to extinction, spoil farmland and tear up national parks, etc.

 

First, because very little of the real government business is viewable by the press and the public.  The dog-and-pony shows that are conducted within the view of the sunshine laws is just the face they show.  Many government officials are openly contemptuous of sunshine laws, with little or no consequences in almost all circumstances.  In the age of Lois Lerner and NSA wiretapping (or of JobsOhio), saying that government business is viewable by the public is risible.

 

Second, because a corporation cannot force me to do or not do things the way a government can.  A corporation cannot simply declare that a percentage of my income now belongs to it.  A corporation cannot declare that it now owns my house and will decide, through its own processes, how much to pay me for it.

 

Third, while I have no great sympathy for corporate lobbyists, that's still only one kind of lobbyist; governments have to deal with all kinds (union, environmental, etc.), generally pulling them in opposite directions (which may be the least bad system, but it's still not exactly something that inspires trust).  In fact, the vast majority of the lobbyists for harsher prison terms or military adventures are not corporate.  A public-sector union, the prison guards' union, is among the biggest lobbyists for harsher prison terms.  The now-defunct Center for Security Policy and Project for a New American Century were among the most military hawkish lobbying operations in Washington for years; they were only tangentially related to any corporate lobbies, even including defense contractors.  Corporate lobbies tend to be stable, status-quo-oriented lobbies; that can definitely be an obstacle to innovation and I have many criticisms of corporate lobbying, but everything that applies to corporations in that context applies even moreso to governments, so on net, I still end up trusting corporations more (or distrusting them less).

and he'd never survive the national media scrutiny that would come with a presidential bid.

 

Really? How do you think the media attention would harm him? He's been a national media figure for fifteen years and doesn't seem to act with the beligerance he does with the state/local media.

 

If anything, his record as governor is almost devoid of anything bold or noteworthy enough to hurt him as a Presidential candidate.

 

He's more suited to VP. And I mean, if Joe Biden can survive media scrutiny as VP then anyone can.

First of all, JobsOhio is not a settled matter. In a Kasich candidacy, it would likely face more scrutiny than from the largely docile Ohio Capitol press corps. Second of all, Kasich's arrogant and petulant behavior in the video of his Plain Dealer endorsement interview with Fitzgerald -- which also was ignored by Ohio's compliant press -- would make great footage on TV. (IMO, that shows at least as much about Kasich's character than the driver's license fiasco does about Fitzgerald's.) Kasich's top-down, closed-door, close-knit-crony style of management also would get more scrutiny from a national press corps and a national Democratic party than from than from the flaccid press and party in Ohio.

Yeah except government business is observable by the press and the public.  Why the hell would you trust a company or corporation where the press and you yourself have absolutely no way to know what the hell they have up their sleeve?  Their board of directors and executives are usually not public figures and their meetings and emails are certainly not public.  Plus the profit motive has their lobbyists actively trying to throw as many people in prison, start wars, get addicted to cigarettes and unhealthy food, kill wildlife to extinction, spoil farmland and tear up national parks, etc. 

 

In the healthcare debate I never understand why people (conservatives more so) seemed much more willing to trust a private insurance company over a government run insurance exchange.  This boggles my mind to this day.  Disliking a government run system because of perceived incompetence is one thing, but disliking the system because you think the government has a motive to deny payment (more than a private insurance company) is just insanity.

I think a lot of Dems stayed home this time around.

 

What else is new in an off-year election? These statewide and statehouse elections are handed on a silver-platter to the GOP. I would like to blame this on "the people," but the system is rigged from the way districts are drawn, to the amount of money in campaigns, to who has access to get their names on the ballots, to when voting occurs, even to the way that elections are decided (i.e. first-past-the-post). Until we make some serious to all of these aforementioned issues, we'll keep ending up with these subpar politicians that don't really represent the views of the people or have any motivation to do so.

I criticised the Ohio press corps in an earlier post, and I stand by that criticism. Nonetheless, the Cincinnati Enquirer's Statehouse reporter had an interesting piece yesterday showing that there were other factors Tuesday besides an unusually low (even for a midterm) voter turnout: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2014/11/05/5-numbers-you-missed-in-ohio-elections/18522511/

He's more suited to VP. And I mean, if Joe Biden can survive media scrutiny as VP then anyone can.

First of all, JobsOhio is not a settled matter. In a Kasich candidacy, it would likely face more scrutiny than from the largely docile Ohio Capitol press corps. Second of all, Kasich's arrogant and petulant behavior in the video of his Plain Dealer endorsement interview with Fitzgerald -- which also was ignored by Ohio's compliant press -- would make great footage on TV. (IMO, that shows at least as much about Kasich's character than the driver's license fiasco does about Fitzgerald's.) Kasich's top-down, closed-door, close-knit-crony style of management also would get more scrutiny from a national press corps and a national Democratic party than from than from the flaccid press and party in Ohio.

 

These are good points. Like his connection to the banking oligarchy, it's some good ammo. Still, I don't think these negatives are to the point that Kasich wouldn't be able to recover, assuming his guys are capable of running a positive spin campaign.

 

In comparison, I do think Chris Christie crossed the point of no return with his nuclear diatribe last week vs. that Hurricane Sandy relief worker.

Nonetheless, the Cincinnati Enquirer's Statehouse reporter had an interesting piece yesterday showing that there were other factors Tuesday besides an unusually low (even for a midterm) voter turnout: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2014/11/05/5-numbers-you-missed-in-ohio-elections/18522511/

 

That's a pretty good article. I was one of the people who knew my vote for Governor wouldn't go anywhere, so I voted for the Green Party just to boost their numbers. I would have voted for a Libertarian candidate or independent if that was the only third party available. I couldn't vote in good conscience for Kasich.

^ I was one of the people who left that race blank. I'd rather a ham sandwich run the state than any of the three candidates on the ballot.

Keep stereotyping.  It keeps us in office.

 

 

Many, perhaps most liberals don't understand one basic fact about Republican voters.  We don't love or trust corporations or the GOP.  We just distrust government, and by extension those who advocate big intrusive "we know best" government, one hell of a lot more.

 

Yawn.  BS.  You distrust government which is not forwarding your ultra conservative agenda.  When government says someone can't engage in sexual activity you don't agree with, you're all for it.  When government imposes burdens on voting which disproportionately affects segments of the society you don't want voting, you are all for it.  When government profiles ethnicities you would prefer not be here in the country, you say go ahead.  When the government tells people what they can and can't do or put in their body (as long as it is not a soda or a cigarette), you cheer it on.  Save the BS propaganda talking points for a crowd who can't see straight through it.

I am not a fan of either party, but I distrust the Republicans more.  They say things to please their base when the TV cameras are rolling, then govern in a completely different manner.  Case in point:  the stimulus cash grab that they all opposed on TV but certainly took home 50+% of the funds to their home districts. 

Keep stereotyping.  It keeps us in office.

 

 

Many, perhaps most liberals don't understand one basic fact about Republican voters.  We don't love or trust corporations or the GOP.  We just distrust government, and by extension those who advocate big intrusive "we know best" government, one hell of a lot more.

 

Yawn.  BS.  You distrust government which is not forwarding your ultra conservative agenda.  When government says someone can't engage in sexual activity you don't agree with, you're all for it.  When government imposes burdens on voting which disproportionately affects segments of the society you don't want voting, you are all for it.  When government profiles ethnicities you would prefer not be here in the country, you say go ahead.  When the government tells people what they can and can't do or put in their body (as long as it is not a soda or a cigarette), you cheer it on.  Save the BS propaganda talking points for a crowd who can't see straight through it.

 

Like I said, keep stereotyping....

 

I never said conservatives don't have a brain

Keep stereotyping.  It keeps us in office.

 

 

Many, perhaps most liberals don't understand one basic fact about Republican voters.  We don't love or trust corporations or the GOP.  We just distrust government, and by extension those who advocate big intrusive "we know best" government, one hell of a lot more.

 

Yawn.  BS.  You distrust government which is not forwarding your ultra conservative agenda.  When government says someone can't engage in sexual activity you don't agree with, you're all for it.  When government imposes burdens on voting which disproportionately affects segments of the society you don't want voting, you are all for it.  When government profiles ethnicities you would prefer not be here in the country, you say go ahead.  When the government tells people what they can and can't do or put in their body (as long as it is not a soda or a cigarette), you cheer it on.  Save the BS propaganda talking points for a crowd who can't see straight through it.

 

Very mean spirited HTS. Do you have any evidence to support your claims or just throwing bombs at E Rocc?

I was throwing bombs at "Republican voters" (sorry, E, if you thought "you" meant.... ummmm... you ;)...... please immediately disavow those laws/efforts so that no one else is confused)

 

But you're right...... the anti-sodomy laws, voter suppression laws, racial profiling, and similar agendi (there, I used it) are all VERY mean spirited.

 

Lastly, E is very good at sticking up for himself.  He doesn't need your help.

I was throwing bombs at "Republican voters" (sorry, E, if you thought "you" meant.... ummmm... you ;)...... please immediately disavow those laws/efforts so that no one else is confused)

 

But you're right...... the anti-sodomy laws, voter suppression laws, racial profiling, and similar agendi (there, I used it) are all VERY mean spirited.

 

Lastly, E is very good at sticking up for himself.  He doesn't need your help.

 

Anti sodomy laws, LOL. I am sure GOP types are huddling in dark corners trying to pass those laws on a wholesale level. Is it really asking much too have

ID to vote? Although, I guess you can be like the Dem Hamilton County poll worker who voted ??? 18 times in 1 election via absentee. And on to Racial Profiling, are you talking about uber liberal NYC? Do they still have stop and frisk aimed 100% at blacks and hispanics?