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Ohio voters don't have recall powers.  Wisconsin voters don't have referendum powers (what we used to kill SB5).  Their 'check' on the state capital is recall.

 

Besides, Kasich hasn't really done anything which would warrant a recall.  He always said he was going to kill the 3C and he was elected with that clearly on his platform.  And although he signed SB5, that was a legislative measure initiated and written by southern Ohio republican state reps.  The re-write with input from Kasich's team was actually much more reasonable.  Well.... at least it brought it from ridiculous in application to just bad policy.

  • 1 month later...

The guy certainly is consistent.

County GOP Chairman asks FBI to investigate Kasich and allies

 

Joe Hallet of the Dispatch reported this morning that a Republican Central Committee member sent a letter to the FBI, the Ohio Inspector General and other state and local law enforcement agencies asking them to investigate John Kasich and his allies for their attempts to pressure him out of the Central Committee race.

 

http://www.plunderbund.com/2012/03/09/county-gop-chairman-asks-fbi-to-investigate-kasich-and-allies/

Probably time for a new thread regarding the 2014 Governor's race but Ed Fitzgerald, Cuyahoga County Exec, is definitely running.

Ohio voters don't have recall powers.  Wisconsin voters don't have referendum powers (what we used to kill SB5).  Their 'check' on the state capital is recall.

 

Besides, Kasich hasn't really done anything which would warrant a recall.  He always said he was going to kill the 3C and he was elected with that clearly on his platform.  And although he signed SB5, that was a legislative measure initiated and written by southern Ohio republican state reps.  The re-write with input from Kasich's team was actually much more reasonable.  Well.... at least it brought it from ridiculous in application to just bad policy.

 

I beg to differ.  The fact he campaigned on killing 3-C and, then, did it doesn't give him a bye.  Fact is, he distorted reality and glossed over the fact that, in killing 3-C, he cost thousands of jobs (and potential jobs due to spin-off businesses, TOD and otherwise, resulting from the trains. Included was a signed contract to build the trains right here in Ohio -- this in one of the hardest hit states unemployment-wise --- that's representing the people's interests? ... SB5's repudiation is also evidence he's not serving the people... Then what about his stupidly relaxing Strickland's laws to limit ownership of exotic pets that led to the Zanesville disaster, threating thousands of humans and resulting in the killing of over 50 animals by cops... Then, most recently, he tried to refuse Fed. Disaster aid for relief from the recent tornado tragedy just to spite Obama... Yeah, he reversed himself, but how much hardship did those poor souls injured and homeless suffer (you know every minute counts) becouse our doofus governor wants to play politics...  and let's not get into the upteen pro gun initiatives that Kasich has backed to allow guns in bars (yeah, oodles of accidental deaths in crowded bars just waiting to happen), and on campus.  They say that even a broken clock is right twice in a day.  With John Kasich, I doubt even that analogy works...

 

... Scott Walker's a jackass, but he's a piker compared to Kasich -- no doubt the biggest disaster in the gov's chair in Ohio history, and he's less than 1/2 through his term.

Ohio was denied Federal Disaster Relief yesterday for the Ohio tornadoes due to the small amount of distruction. Regardless, no one in Ohio suffered from Kasich's decision making. They will all get help from the State of Ohio and whatever insurance money they purchased. Let's hope they had the forethought to get adequate insurance.

 

The governor was right again!

Right or not, he shouldn't have been such a know-it-all about it initially.

^^ What exactly was he right about?

That the Feds would determine that the area wasn't eligible for federal disaster relief help. It's not like they show you how to assess disasters at Goldman Sachs.

We can't hold our politicians to such a level of infalibility.  He is going to make mistakes.  It is inevitable.  Further, he is going to make decisions which people disagree with, passionately at times.  But in a state like Ohio, with our cultural and political diversity, you will have that with any governor.  Kasich certainly would not be on my list of favorite people and I definitely don't see eye-to-eye with him on many issues.  All that said, he won fair and square.  Heavy lies the crown and I sincerely believe that he makes decisions based on what he thinks is best for the state, no matter how strongly I might be able to counter his arguments of why that is so.  There's simply no grounds for removing him, even if Ohio had recall procedures.  I certaintly would not vote in favor of a recall.  It is bad policy to hang a recall over the governor's head so that every decision he makes has to be in line with the mob-rule mentality.  That's not how a republic works.

^ I agree. I don't like all the talk of recall.

 

That the Feds would determine that the area wasn't eligible for federal disaster relief help. It's not like they show you how to assess disasters at Goldman Sachs.

 

Did he actually claim that? I interpreted his move as more a rejection of public funds rather than claiming he wouldn't receive them if they were asked for.

My interpretation of it was that he basically said initially, "Nah, this isn't bad enough. I'm not going to apply."

I voted for Kasich and think he did the right thing in turning down the 3-C funding (*ducking*).  However I have a big problem with his method of closing the budget and the way he's regarded education, safety, and other public employees.  I'd look forward to voting for a guy in Fitzgerald who knows Northeast Ohio and would be able to look out for our interests. 

As much as I like Fitzgerald I hope he waits another term to run..finish your work in Cuyahoga County.

It is bad policy to hang a recall over the governor's head so that every decision he makes has to be in line with the mob-rule mentality.  That's not how a republic works.

 

Agree.  Just as I want congress to let Obama govern, Kasich should be allowed to govern here.  Otherwise our system has no validity.

It is bad policy to hang a recall over the governor's head so that every decision he makes has to be in line with the mob-rule mentality.  That's not how a republic works.

 

Agree.  Just as I want congress to let Obama govern, Kasich should be allowed to govern here.  Otherwise our system has no validity.

Agreed, let's let him make his mistakes so that even if we disagree with them, we can use them to judge him by when it's reelection time.

^"Let him make his mistakes?"

No way. That's like saying, "let him do bad things to us for a couple of years, then decide if we want to vote for someone else."

If we think he's doing things that are bad for us and for the state, we are obliged to get involved and try to improve his misguided policies. Case in point:

 

Remember the Clean Ohio Bond Fund renewal overwhelmingly passed in all 88 counties by 70 percent of Ohio voters in the big-turnout year of 2008? Remember how it called for the sale of $400 million in bonds to fund a careful balance of brownfields cleanup, open-space preservation, farmland preservation and recreational trails? Well, forget it. The state is still well below its borrowing limit, but the biennial capital bill introduced yesterday includes $6 million in bonds -- or 6 percent of the $100 million that Ohio voters said they wanted each year.

 

This is an economic-development program that had been successful and popular for 10 years through three administrations, two governors and both parties. And now this administration is dropping it without discussion -- not even with the state agencies that were charged with running it. I talked to an assistant director of Ohio Department of Agriculture a month and a half ago about whether the department would run an Agricultural Easement Purchase Program this year. He said he had no idea -- that the administration wasn't saying anything.

Anybody see or hear about the tax meeting they had yesterday? Kasich actually explained to the people how the government works regrading tax loopholes vs. tax exemptions. Explaining to the people how the government actually works rather than keeping them in the dark with "Government bad!"-style platitudes is something we don't see politicians, especially ones on the Right do often enough. If they did, people would understand how the government works rather than treating it as a boogeyman. Shades of more-reasonable '90s Kasich.

 

So there you go -- a compliment for the man.

It's more like Federal Government Bad, State Government Good platitudes by Republicans, but still...good for Kasich here. If not for the rail lines bull$hit, I'd probably be a supporter at this point.

Except that his JobsOhio debacle is a "Government bad! Private sector good!" venture. It's not like they came up with a great economic development model and then decided  to build it through privatization. No, they put the cart before the horse. The goal was privatization. The strategy would come later. And now they're feeling their way around. There are state agencies doing economic development projects that used to go to DOD to finish the deal. Now they have to go to JobsOhio, which doesn't know what they're talking about. Faster than the speed of business? Don't bet on it. JobsOhio is a work in progress performed by people who are learning on the job. Basically, they launched a business before they did a business plan.

Privatizing something adds profit motive, but also puts it in a position where it has to turn a profit -- sometimes at the expense of the agency's mission.

^and it takes away the red tape and inefficiency of govt bureaucracy.  Like getting 3 quotes and 4 signatures to buy a box of pens.

Corporate bureaucracy can be pretty rough as well.

^and it takes away the red tape and inefficiency of govt bureaucracy.  Like getting 3 quotes and 4 signatures to buy a box of pens.

Not necessarily. What I'm hearing is that some economic-development procedures that were routine through DOD are now held up because JobsOhio staff don't understand the processes and are slowing things down with their own.

^and it takes away the red tape and inefficiency of govt bureaucracy.  Like getting 3 quotes and 4 signatures to buy a box of pens.

 

It may also eliminate application of the sunshine laws...... i.e. the right of the public to know how and why decisions are being made with our money.  It encourages cronyism and patronage.  It eliminates accountability to the public.  It brings us back to the days when highway projects were given to not the lowest bidder, but the highest briber.

^ Dimora?

Jimmy would have thrived in the 1950's when the sh!te he was convicted of was pretty much routine practice.

  It encourages cronyism and patronage.  It eliminates accountability to the public.

 

You think everything leads to cronyism & patronage.  Newsflash, there is a ton of this in most local & state government offices already so whatever procedures are supposed to prevent it, they're not effective.

^tell that to Jimmy!

can you imagine the nervousness in the state and local government offices recently? I bet a lot of people are trying to hide their tracks.

can you imagine the nervousness in the state and local government offices recently? I bet a lot of people are trying to hide their tracks.

Or clean up their acts, which is a good thing.

can you imagine the nervousness in the state and local government offices recently? I bet a lot of people are trying to hide their tracks.

 

That point of big nervousness & change was years ago when the Cuyahoga county & CMHA offices were raided along with the local Cleveland construction companies....  at this point the dust has long settled and it's business as usual

^Not with the press still digging in through use of the open records act.  Recent jurisprudence has even held that personal email accounts used for correspondence in official capacity are subject to public records act requests.

 

He's trying to gain public support

 

"Apparently blindsided by the move, Kasich said he was 'extremely disappointed' that lawmakers appear poised to favor the oil and gas industries over the residents and small businesses of Ohio."

 

-- Riiiiight.  A man who knows everything about everyone in the political field apparently has no idea what some of his best friends are doing and it just happens to be an issue like this

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Kasich is apparently consolidating Repub power in his hands:

 

Alternet story

 

Will Brewing Corruption Scandals in Ohio Have an Impact on November's Election?

 

Investigations by the FBI into campaign donations and strong-arm tactics in Ohio's Republican Party implicate big-name politicians, like anti-union Governor John Kasich.

 

http://www.alternet.org/news/155668/will_brewing_corruption_scandals_in_ohio_have_an_impact_on_november's_election

 

 

C'mon people, if you want to post an article criticizing Kasich, please post a link to something a little more credible, it's not hard.  That article was poorly researched & poorly written.  The tidbit of facts that it offers, someone from Kasich's inner circle asked some other guy to step aside, happens all the time in politics and is really not newsworthy.  Hello, Cuyahoga Corruption scandal, anyone?  How many times did Russo get a sham opponent to run against him in primary races, only to drop out right at the last minute? 

 

Saying the FBI is "looking into it" is like saying the sun will rise tomorrow.  Please post something when charges are filed against Kasich or his allies.  Classic tipoff about some obscure contributions to Mandel & Renacci's campaigns but no mention of who donated to their opponents' campaigns.  As much as I appreciate how the internet allows off-topic news stories to be circulated, it shouldn't sacrifice established journalism standards like unbiased reporting or covering both sides of a story.

... established journalism standards like ... covering both sides of a story.

 

Hah! That is a myth perpetuated by the FoxNews crowd. There is no "Both sides of a story." There is only ONE side: The Facts.

 

[this post is not a commentary on the article heretofore referred, just a general sentiment]

^^I agree, but I'm not sure how using Russo and the "machine" as an example gets you anywhere ;)

C'mon people, if you want to post an article criticizing Kasich, please post a link to something a little more credible, it's not hard.  That article was poorly researched & poorly written.  The tidbit of facts that it offers, someone from Kasich's inner circle asked some other guy to step aside, happens all the time in politics and is really not newsworthy.  Hello, Cuyahoga Corruption scandal, anyone?  How many times did Russo get a sham opponent to run against him in primary races, only to drop out right at the last minute? 

 

Saying the FBI is "looking into it" is like saying the sun will rise tomorrow.  Please post something when charges are filed against Kasich or his allies.  Classic tipoff about some obscure contributions to Mandel & Renacci's campaigns but no mention of who donated to their opponents' campaigns.  As much as I appreciate how the internet allows off-topic news stories to be circulated, it shouldn't sacrifice established journalism standards like unbiased reporting or covering both sides of a story.

 

Um, these stories have all been reported in the Plain Dealer in the past few weeks/months.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/05/us_senate_candidate_josh_mande.html

 

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/05/post_37.html

All I have to say to Mr. Manning is "get off the road when the bus is coming!"

Fixing elections is a rather serious matter.

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One political crony taking the seat of another...

Well, at least it wasn't Steve Bellisari. 

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