^great point.  Really fascinating.  Thanks for taking us completely off topic.

 

I'm sorry. Lets get back to our regularly scheduled program.

 

A lot of pizza delivery guys also buy and deliver drugs on runs, and a lot of waiters are actually on drugs at work, so I don't think you know what you're talking about. 

 

 

Well, there you have it folks, because Jake said its true, don't eat in restaurants anymore.

 

A lot of pizza delivery guys also buy and deliver drugs on runs, and a lot of waiters are actually on drugs at work, so I don't think you know what you're talking about. 

 

 

Well, there you have it folks, because Jake said its true, don't eat in restaurants anymore.

 

WTF???

Folks, let's get back on topic.

Kasich's not even governor yet, and he's already pretty unpopular:

 

"Ohio voters don't really like their new Governor...and a plurality of them don't have any opinion about their new Senator. 40% have an unfavorable opinion of John Kasich to just 36% with a favorable one. If voters in the state don't like him, how did he get elected, you might wonder. Simple answer: 2010 electorate not reflective of state's voters as a whole."

 

The whole article:

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

More accurately, it might be said that the 2010 electorate was not reflective of the state's population as a whole; by definition, it cannot be unreflective of the state's voters.  The electorate *is* the state's voters, and it's not like the only "electorate" that counts is the presidential-year electorate.  The electorate is always changing.  "The state's voters" would even include the far smaller numbers who turn out for off-year and issue elections.

 

As for the gubernatorial election here specifically: If you didn't/don't like the guy but didn't turn out in the elections, then your feelings obviously weren't all that intense.  With universal absentee balloting, there is no excuse for not getting your vote in, if you care enough to do so.

^Agreed

 

Personally I think it had more to do with a poorly run campaign by Strickland, but maybe that's just me.

I figure it to be more voter discontent than anything else.  I know a lot of people that just voted against any incumbent, without having the slightest notion of policies, effectiveness, etc.

Kasich's unpopularity probably stems from his being so negative immediately.  Focusing on cutting spending might have a certain appeal for voters, but it also has a very negative connotation.  Our immediate lives won't improve due to these cuts (3C, union stuff).  they may or may not be necessary, but addition by subtraction isn't as in-your-face as just addition. $8 billion in debt just doesn't real whereas a trainline and public union saleries are more tacitile.

Article outlining Kasich's appointment for public safety director (Tom Charles). I don't have an opinion on the guy, but there was a passing question as to whether he would have a conflict of interest given his wife and son are both on the state patrol. Again, Charles answered appropriately, and I don't have an opinion on the conflict.

 

what I do find interesting is when Kasich piped in with this jibber jabber

 

"Kasich, standing next to Charles, seemed annoyed with questions about potential conflicts of interest.

 

"I find myself tripping over the ant hills on the way to the pyramids. We have so many stupid rules and regulations that prevent us from getting the best people to come in here. You just can't believe it. And I blame it on all of you," Kasich told reporters. "All the transparency and conflicts and other stuff. I want to just tell you, it is a problem to get quality people to come and work in the government.

 

"The fact that he has relatives that work in the patrol, I think the man will do a good job. It's just sort of silly to have to explain all that away," Kasich said. "His reputation is great, I stand behind him and all this business about this conflict, that conflict — let me tell you something, we're hurting our kids."

 

 

So having the press ask questions about something completely legitimate (which the subject of the questions gives perfectly acceptable answers) somehow hurts the kids?? I mean, we always must think of the children (won't anyone please think of the children) but I don't know that they're overly concerned about nepotism in the Department of Public Safety

 

Kasich introduces new public safety director, declares an end to political meddling in the department

Published: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 3:00 PM    Updated: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 3:53 PM

 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/12/kasich_introduces_new_public_s.html

 

 

This coming from a former Fox News guy?  Really?

This is going to become a really long thread, really quickly

^Don't take it so personally.  It won't reach the Obama Presidency Thread level of 200 pages in 2 years.... not without Scrabble's robo op-ed posting tactics.

I only have myself to blame.  I get sucked into these threads hoping to actually read something which is news worthy or thought provoking, what this board used to be full of.  Now it's full of the alot of hot air & opinions. 

Well, our new governor just made the claim that the problem with finding good government employees is transparency and a free press.  I'd call that newsworthy.  And not in a good way.

^Being Governor means never having to answer a pointed question.

I agree with Kasich, the world would be a better place if government didn't have to jump through accountability hoops and a world where people weren't total greedy d-bags.  However, we don't live in that world so we've all agreed over the decades or centuries that government must be slow and cumbersome to compensate.

It seems like Kasich is pissed because of laws that are supposed to prevent the influence of outside sources...and is there really an issue with having to take a year off between your regulatory job and working for the industry you're regulating?

I think he's more pissed at the press trying to make an issue of something that isn't an issue.  Goes with the territory of elected office though

Executive appointments being overly vetted by the media..... you don't say.  Comically ironic.

Redesigning Ohio

Welcome to the Kasich administration..... good luck with actually seeing what goes on during the next four yars if this is any indication....

 

Kasich won't let media attend oath in private

Access will be limited at many inaugural events

 

 

By JIM PROVANCE

BLADE COLUMBUS BUREAU CHIEF

 

COLUMBUS -- The celebration of next week's inaugural of Ohio's new governor, John Kasich, will stretch over four days but is already raising questions about secrecy in the new administration.

 

In most cases, media will be allowed inside the doors of inaugural events long enough to hear comments from Mr. Kasich and his soon-to-be lieutenant governor, Mary Taylor, but then reporters "will be escorted from the venue," according to a memo from the inaugural committee.

 

For some of the events reporter access will be limited to a half hour or 45 minutes, and one event, a reception the day before Monday's public inauguration ceremony, will be off-limits to the press entirely.

 

Full story at: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110105/NEWS16/101050303

Welcome to the Kasich administration..... good luck with actually seeing what goes on during the next four yars if this is any indication....

 

 

Oh, we'll see it all right. We'll see the damage left behind.

From today's Columbus Dispatch:

 

Kasich promises transparency

 

Some examples of Gov.-elect John Kasich's stances on transparency:

 

• During a news conference in December on the selection of Thomas P. Charles as public-safety director, Kasich cut off questions about potential conflicts of interest because Charles' wife and son work for the State Highway Patrol.  Kasich chided reporters for asking about such issues and said the need for transparency is keeping good people out of public office.

 

• Shortly after his election, Kasich held an event at a restaurant in which he told special-interest groups to get on his bus "or the bus is going to run over you."  No photographers were allowed to attend.

 

• Kasich balked at public-record requests for the resumes of people applying for state jobs, saying applicants could face retaliation from their current employers.  He later said lawyers advised him that under Ohio law, he can not legally shield the records after taking office.

 

• Breaking long-standing tradition, Kasich won't allow the news media to witness his official swearing-in shortly after midnight Monday.  He cited security concerns for the event, to be held in his southern Delaware County home.

 

• Kasich will not allow public access to the swearing-in of his cabinet officers because the Statehouse room where the event is being held is too small to accommodate more people.  Kasich plans to issue executive orders at the gathering.

 

Source: Dispatch research

Apparently he caved, Rider, on not allowing news media to witness his swearing-in ceremony.  Regardless though, there is a pattern.  We'll see how he does, but a 42% negative rating before even taking office is not a good sign

You people voted for this prick or didn't vote and this jackhole won the election!

Kasich's distaste for the media stems from the fact that his mouth often gets him in trouble when he speaks off the cuff.

You people voted for this prick or didn't vote and this jackhole won the election!

 

I think its safe to say that the overwhelming majority of people in this thread voted.  Strickland was fighting an uphill battle that saw the public perception turn against incumbents.  What turned the tide for Kasich was 1) Dispatch, Enquirer, and other major papers endorsing him 2) The anti-incumbent wave 3) Democrats not rallying their base 4) Independents switching to the republican party this election. 

 

During this last election, anyone could run and basically say "I'm going to lower taxes, cut spending, and I'm against the health care plan" and they would get sizeable votes from their base.  Sharron Angle almost won in Nevada and she was a complete nutcase. 

 

In the midterms, historically speaking, the opposite of the President's party usually makes gains(although this one was a historic gain for the republicans).  Strickland was relying on some key voting demographics that never turned up to vote.  Even with all this against Strickland, he still made it pretty close. 

 

Now it really does no good to dwell on the actual election since Kasich won.  Now we have to turn our attention to keeping an eye on Kasich and hoping he acts in Ohio's best interests and not his own personal financial interests. 

You people voted for this prick or didn't vote and this jackhole won the election!

 

You need to say that to the members of RuralOhio.com not UrbanOhio.com.

 

Poll results from the Ohio Governor Race: 2010 thread:

Who would you vote for Governor of Ohio?

Ted Strickland  98 (72.6%)

John Kasich  30 (22.2%)

Other  7 (5.2%) 

 

I wouldn't say ruralohio.com, but outerringsuburbanohio.com and exurbanohio.com.

You people voted for this prick or didn't vote and this jackhole won the election!

 

Not that it's any of your business, but I voted and I didn't vote for Kasich.  Did you vote?

You people voted for this prick or didn't vote and this jackhole won the election!

You need to say that to the members of RuralOhio.com not UrbanOhio.com.

 

I wouldn't say ruralohio.com, but outerringsuburbanohio.com and exurbanohio.com.

 

Probably a combo of all three.  It certainly wasn't the big cities that gave the election to Kasich.

Actually, one could make a good argument that Cleveland handed this election to Kasich by staying home. Strickland underperformed Obama and Brown in NE Ohio. Had they come out for Ted, he would have won.

gov. kasich, fiscal conservative!

 

http://www.plunderbund.com/2011/01/06/governors-office-salaries-going-way-up-under-kasich/

^What a hypocrite, but no surprise. It's par for course with the Wall Street Republitarian crowd.

Actually, one could make a good argument that Cleveland handed this election to Kasich by staying home. Strickland underperformed Obama and Brown in NE Ohio. Had they come out for Ted, he would have won.

 

It wasn't as much a lack of support for strickland as it was the fact that Ohio, for whatever reason, holds its gubernatorial election during the mid-term.  I don't know if there is one single major metropolitan area that turns out for the mid tems in the same numbers as it does for Presidential election years.  I also don't care for the thought process that Cleveland has some responsibility to balance out the conservative corners of this state.

^What a hypocrite, but no surprise. It's par for course with the Wall Street Republitarian crowd.

 

In fairness to Kasich (did I really say that?), if he's able to squeeze more work out of fewer, better paid employees, which is what he's claiming will happen, I have no real complaints.

 

I don't know nearly enough about any of these folks to lament any of their losses, but the house cleaning is going strong.  Deep down I guess it's no surprise, and I know it's the tradition of both parties, but the political connectedness of most of that lotto brass is really kind of amazing.

 

Governor-elect John Kasich cuts Lottery Commission employees, many with Democratic ties

http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2011/01/gov-elect_john_kasich_cuts_lot.html

 

Among the other lottery employees fired are Pam DeGeeter, the lottery's top lawyer who was hired by Dolan and is married to Democratic State Rep. Tim DeGeeter of Parma; assistant lottery sales manager Beth Zone, also hired by Dolan and who is outgoing Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher's sister-in-law; sales manager Gayle A. Jackson, a former Stark County Commissioner and active Democrat; and Toledo sales manager Allen Baldwin, retired chairman of the Wood County Democratic Party. Kasich also fired policy analyst Peggy Mason Bodach, sister of Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Bill Mason. Bodach's hiring received scrutiny last year when Mason hired Dolan.

It wasn't as much a lack of support for strickland as it was the fact that Ohio, for whatever reason, holds its gubernatorial election during the mid-term.  I don't know if there is one single major metropolitan area that turns out for the mid tems in the same numbers as it does for Presidential election years.  I also don't care for the thought process that Cleveland has some responsibility to balance out the conservative corners of this state.

I don't think that Clevelanders have a 'responsibility,' but that doesn't mean that the fact remains that Strickland consistently underperformed other Democrats in Northeast Ohio (and did so even in '06 against Blackwell). I'd guess is that he was seen as too hick, southern Ohio for the cosmopolitan northerners. While numbers were down, there were down quite a bit more in Cuyahoga Cty than elsewhere (some have pointed to the local corruption scandal as an explanation for why the totals were so much lower than in '08 or even '06).

It makes sense to hold the gubernatorial off cycle from the presidential election as it is cheaper to run an election w/out having to compete w/ the same degree of national ad buys and it allows the state issues to actually get aired and not be swallowed by national political hurricane that is a pres. election.

 

All this is to say, no need to bad mouth the rest of the state when its your neighbors who didn't vote and gave Kasich the space needed to squeak out a victory.

 

^ It's all of Ohio's fault.

gov. kasich, fiscal conservative!

 

http://www.plunderbund.com/2011/01/06/governors-office-salaries-going-way-up-under-kasich/

That is disturbing.  Will the papers that endorsed him actually cover this story(Enquirer/Dispatch)?

 

 

gov. kasich, fiscal conservative!

 

http://www.plunderbund.com/2011/01/06/governors-office-salaries-going-way-up-under-kasich/

 

If he can pay a few intelligent people to save the state billions on the end, I have no problem with that.  That article really seemed to nitpick a few key salaries that were raised, as opposed to a ton which were probably cut or even eliminated entirely.  I'm surprised no one is questioning that blog at all.. I guess anything that has the word "progressive" in the title gets blindly trusted.

gov. kasich, fiscal conservative!

 

http://www.plunderbund.com/2011/01/06/governors-office-salaries-going-way-up-under-kasich/

 

If he can pay a few intelligent people to save the state billions on the end, I have no problem with that. That article really seemed to nitpick a few key salaries that were raised, as opposed to a ton which were probably cut or even eliminated entirely.

If it takes good pay to get good people at the top, why doesn't it take good pay to get good teachers, librarians, highway patrolmen, etc.? Considering Kasich has proposed cutting the budget so deeply that most public employees will be facing salary cuts, it's hypocritical to give higher salaries to his own staff than their predecessors under the Strickland administration.

 

I'm surprised no one is questioning that blog at all.. I guess anything that has the word "progressive" in the title gets blindly trusted.

I think most anyone that looks at that blog will realize that it's got a liberal bias and most of us will take what it reports with a grain of salt.

I'm well aware of its liberal bent, but I just think it's ridiculous to be raising salaries of his friends with the state's deep budget crisis. He should have a pay freeze while also downsizing.

Actually, one could make a good argument that Cleveland handed this election to Kasich by staying home. Strickland underperformed Obama and Brown in NE Ohio. Had they come out for Ted, he would have won.

 

It wasn't as much a lack of support for strickland as it was the fact that Ohio, for whatever reason, holds its gubernatorial election during the mid-term.  I don't know if there is one single major metropolitan area that turns out for the mid tems in the same numbers as it does for Presidential election years.  I also don't care for the thought process that Cleveland has some responsibility to balance out the conservative corners of this state.

Actually, one could make a good argument that Cleveland handed this election to Kasich by staying home. Strickland underperformed Obama and Brown in NE Ohio. Had they come out for Ted, he would have won.

 

It wasn't as much a lack of support for strickland as it was the fact that Ohio, for whatever reason, holds its gubernatorial election during the mid-term. I don't know if there is one single major metropolitan area that turns out for the mid tems in the same numbers as it does for Presidential election years. I also don't care for the thought process that Cleveland has some responsibility to balance out the conservative corners of this state.

 

With my schedule on Election Day I would have been quite late to work: not an option. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would have voted if we had the day off, but it works for the Ds and Rs, who effectively silenced my would-be 3rd party vote.

Kasich's found his man to launch his new privitized economic development entity:

Venture Capitalist to Begin Ohio Jobs Panel for $1

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Gov.-elect John Kasich chose a prominent Silicon Valley venture capitalist Friday to launch his new private economic development effort — and the high-paid executive has agreed to do the job for a dollar.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/01/07/business/AP-US-Ohio-Governor-Economy.html?_r=1&hp

Interesting.  The article strongly implies, though, that Kvamme will be appointed to the full time board once his interim appointment as director expires in 6 months.  Will he still work for $1 then?.... if not what will his salary be for what sounds like a part time gig.  I, for instance, would happily work for $1 for a period of 6 months in a pt job if assurred a permanent appointment at a much higher salary.

^Yeah, I'm still not sure how the board's going to work either.  Though in Kvamme's case, I don't think there's a bad money angle.  Whether he get's paid $1 or $250,000, it's all peanuts compared to what he was bringing home in the upper tier of the VC world- he's clearly not in this for the money.

Kasich's found his man to launch his new privitized economic development entity:

Venture Capitalist to Begin Ohio Jobs Panel for $1

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Gov.-elect John Kasich chose a prominent Silicon Valley venture capitalist Friday to launch his new private economic development effort — and the high-paid executive has agreed to do the job for a dollar.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/01/07/business/AP-US-Ohio-Governor-Economy.html?_r=1&hp

Kaisch is trying to create jobs!??! All I've read about is job killing polices.

 

Ohio Film Office Approve Clooney Incentives – And Quits

Posted by jkiesewetter 01/07/11, 5:18 pm

 

Now I know why the Ohio Film Office in Columbus never got back to me this week on whether George Clooney will receive a tax incentive for shooting “Ides of March” here, as he’s getting from the Michigan film office… The entire Ohio Film Office staff resigned today under pressure from new Gov. John Kasich.

 

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/tv/2011/01/07/ohio-film-office-approve-clooney-incentives-and-quits/

 

Actually, one could make a good argument that Cleveland handed this election to Kasich by staying home. Strickland underperformed Obama and Brown in NE Ohio. Had they come out for Ted, he would have won.

 

It wasn't as much a lack of support for strickland as it was the fact that Ohio, for whatever reason, holds its gubernatorial election during the mid-term. I don't know if there is one single major metropolitan area that turns out for the mid tems in the same numbers as it does for Presidential election years. I also don't care for the thought process that Cleveland has some responsibility to balance out the conservative corners of this state.

 

With my schedule on Election Day I would have been quite late to work: not an option. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would have voted if we had the day off, but it works for the Ds and Rs, who effectively silenced my would-be 3rd party vote.

 

Vote absentee.  I almost never go to the actual polling stations.