Ouch.

It's not a debate, MTS, if nobody else cares.

 

It's not a debate, MTS, if nobody else cares.

 

Or more better yet, you're not actually superior if you have to argue for it.  i.e., I know I'm superior, but I'm not going to engage in a debate about it because I don't really give a f^ck what you think - you're not relevant.

 

Joking (sort of  :wink:) aside, the East Side/West Side issue is still noticable...at least to my wife who is not from Cleveland...she picked up on it.  But it is diminishing as fewer people live in actual territory that is considered East/West and move to the suburbs (i.e., Mayfield Heights v Westlake doesn't count).

What were we talking about again? Like somebody pointed out above only people above 40 care about the E-W rivalary. I'll joke about it but I am not really being serious.

 

Avogardo, how long did it take you to get home yesterday?

I think the main thing is that most people hardly ever if never, travel to the other side of town. They know and are comfortable with their side.

It's not a debate, MTS, if nobody else cares.

 

Or more better yet, you're not actually superior if you have to argue for it.  i.e., I know I'm superior, but I'm not going to engage in a debate about it because I don't really give a f^ck what you think - you're not relevant.

 

Joking (sort of  ;) ) aside, the East Side/West Side issue is still noticable...at least to my wife who is not from Cleveland...she picked up on it.  But it is diminishing as fewer people live in actual territory that is considered East/West and move to the suburbs (i.e., Mayfield Heights v Westlake doesn't count).

 

how about Eastlake vs Westlake.  Granted neither have anything interesting going for them!  LOL

What were we talking about again? Like somebody pointed out above only people above 40 care about the E-W rivalary. I'll joke about it but I am not really being serious.

 

Avogardo, how long did it take you to get home yesterday?

 

HUMPH!

^ It took me 20 minutes, but I heard that folks who left later than I did (and who were parked in the interior of downtown) took an hour to get to Tremont, mainly due to trying to get out of the CBD.

It's not a debate, MTS, if nobody else cares.

 

Or more better yet, you're not actually superior if you have to argue for it. i.e., I know I'm superior, but I'm not going to engage in a debate about it because I don't really give a f^ck what you think - you're not relevant.

 

Joking (sort of ;) ) aside, the East Side/West Side issue is still noticable...at least to my wife who is not from Cleveland...she picked up on it. But it is diminishing as fewer people live in actual territory that is considered East/West and move to the suburbs (i.e., Mayfield Heights v Westlake doesn't count).

 

how about Eastlake vs Westlake. Granted neither have anything interesting going for them! LOL

 

Their is a small rivalry between the two even though almost nobody from either city knows someone in the other. I think its basically just the name. I am originally from Eastlake and remember people making little jokes about the rivalry, nothing serious though.

 

And anybody remember this?

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/pdopinion/2007/09/myhometown.jpg

^ It took me 20 minutes, but I heard that folks who left later than I did (and who were parked in the interior of downtown) took an hour to get to Tremont, mainly due to trying to get out of the CBD.

 

And all the while I was trying to get into downtown, and all you motherf#ckers were blocking my way!  Humph!  Stupid weather men - I totally would've taken the rapid if this would've been in the forecast.

you guys prob know this but maybe some dont? the e-w rivalry thing goes back to the founding of the city and the ohio city vs cleveland battling and fussing around back then. ever since its been an ingrained part of cleveland history and it isnt going away, silly as it is. lots of older cities have something like that, even if its just 'the other side of the tracks.' actually i think the cinci locals and their 'what high school did you go to?' nonsense is worse and i think they even have a bit of an e-w thing too.

 

The

^ It took me 20 minutes, but I heard that folks who left later than I did (and who were parked in the interior of downtown) took an hour to get to Tremont, mainly due to trying to get out of the CBD.

 

And all the while I was trying to get into downtown, and all you motherf#ckers were blocking my way! Humph! Stupid weather men - I totally would've taken the rapid if this would've been in the forecast.

 

The Chicago Bulls stayed like 2 blocks away from the Q and it took them 30 minutes to get there

The

^ It took me 20 minutes, but I heard that folks who left later than I did (and who were parked in the interior of downtown) took an hour to get to Tremont, mainly due to trying to get out of the CBD.

 

 

And all the while I was trying to get into downtown, and all you motherf#ckers were blocking my way!  Humph!  Stupid weather men - I totally would've taken the rapid if this would've been in the forecast.

 

The Chicago Bulls stayed like 2 blocks away from the Q and it took them 30 minutes to get there

 

Why didn't they just get out of the bus and walk?  I could've totally walked from UC to downtown faster than the 4 hours it took me to drive, but that would've meant abandoning my car, which I was not about to do!  But the Bulls had a driver!

 

Doc Broc, dropping the MF'er...she must have been pissed.

 

 

Yes... the whole east side vs. west side rivalry has significantly died down.  But it is still fun to joke about.  How come it is the West siders that always get their panties in a bunch?

 

And since we are on the subject of rivalries that can't be let go - shuck faker!

 

^ It took me 20 minutes, but I heard that folks who left later than I did (and who were parked in the interior of downtown) took an hour to get to Tremont, mainly due to trying to get out of the CBD.

 

And all the while I was trying to get into downtown, and all you motherf#ckers were blocking my way! Humph! Stupid weather men - I totally would've taken the rapid if this would've been in the forecast.

 

There goes my 'sugar and spice' image of you, Ms Pottymouth

Doc Broc, dropping the MF'er...she must have been pissed.

 

 

 

Honestly, I was okay until about the last hour.  It was only then that I got bored with singing Christmas music.

 

 

actually i think the cinci locals and their 'what high school did you go to?' nonsense is worse and i think they even have a bit of an e-w thing too.

 

Don't fool yourself.  Cleveland's got it too.  As does Pittsburgh and St. Louis, by travel experiences.

Yes... the whole east side vs. west side rivalry has significantly died down.  But it is still fun to joke about.  How come it is the West siders that always get their panties in a bunch?

 

The "less than's" have always been a sensitive people!

 

 

And since we are on the subject of rivalries that can't be let go - shuck faker!

 

 

Oh no you didn't!  SHS96 handle this!

 

You people in CH are so damn uppity!

actually i think the cinci locals and their 'what high school did you go to?' nonsense is worse and i think they even have a bit of an e-w thing too.

 

Don't fool yourself.  Cleveland's got it too.  As does Pittsburgh and St. Louis, by travel experiences.

 

OMG, St. Louis is TERRIBLE with the high school question.

Yes... the whole east side vs. west side rivalry has significantly died down.  But it is still fun to joke about.  How come it is the West siders that always get their panties in a bunch?

 

The "less than's" have always been a sensitive people!

 

 

And since we are on the subject of rivalries that can't be let go - shuck faker!

 

 

Oh no you didn't!  SHS96 handle this!

 

You people in CH are so damn uppity!

 

Isnt shs96 from Solon?  On second thought, what's the difference?  Solon, Shaker.  Shaker, Solon.  It aint THE Heights!

Yes... the whole east side vs. west side rivalry has significantly died down.  But it is still fun to joke about.  How come it is the West siders that always get their panties in a bunch?

 

The "less than's" have always been a sensitive people!

 

 

And since we are on the subject of rivalries that can't be let go - shuck faker!

 

 

Oh no you didn't!  SHS96 handle this!

 

You people in CH are so damn uppity!

 

Isnt shs96 from Solon?  On second thought, what's the difference?  Solon, Shaker.  Shaker, Solon.  It aint THE Heights!

 

You people in Cleveland Hts. make me sick.

Hold up.... what do you mean "you people"?

 

Hold up.... what do you mean "you people"?

 

 

Awesome!

I live in a

I think the HS question serves as a quick way to get to know what parts of the city someone might be familiar with. Cities are very different places, phenomenologically, depending on where you hang out. I guess you could ask what bars someone (used to) likes to go to, or restaurants or something, but HS cuts to the chase pretty quickly -- provided it is known the person being asked actually grew up in the city. I don't really see anything wrong with it, it's akin to asking "what neighborhood are you from?", but it is more likely to have a determinate answer since people move around.

I think the HS question serves as a quick way to get to know what parts of the city someone might be familiar with. Cities are very different places, phenomenologically, depending on where you hang out. I guess you could ask what bars someone (used to) likes to go to, or restaurants or something, but HS cuts to the chase pretty quickly -- provided it is known the person being asked actually grew up in the city. I don't really see anything wrong with it, it's akin to asking "what neighborhood are you from?", but it is more likely to have a determinate answer since people move around.

 

Not necessarily the case in St. Louis as it is the private Catholic school capital of the country......

Yes... the whole east side vs. west side rivalry has significantly died down. But it is still fun to joke about. How come it is the West siders that always get their panties in a bunch?

 

The "less than's" have always been a sensitive people!

 

 

And since we are on the subject of rivalries that can't be let go - shuck faker!

 

 

Oh no you didn't! SHS96 handle this!

 

You people in CH are so damn uppity!

 

Isnt shs96 from Solon?   On second thought, what's the difference? Solon, Shaker. Shaker, Solon. It aint THE Heights!

 

Yes, Solon...Solon High School Class of 96 = SHS96.  Growing up I thought I was from the east side.  As I got older, I realized people from the east side didn't consider Solon to be a part of the east side. 

 

So East?  West?  No way...Chagrin River Valley is the best! lol

^Chagrin River Valley = God's Country... at least according to the locals.

Yes... the whole east side vs. west side rivalry has significantly died down.  But it is still fun to joke about.  How come it is the West siders that always get their panties in a bunch?

 

The "less than's" have always been a sensitive people!

 

 

And since we are on the subject of rivalries that can't be let go - shuck faker!

 

 

Oh no you didn't!  SHS96 handle this!

 

You people in CH are so damn uppity!

 

Isnt shs96 from Solon?  On second thought, what's the difference?  Solon, Shaker.  Shaker, Solon.  It aint THE Heights!

 

Yes, Solon...Solon High School Class of 96 = SHS96.  Growing up I thought I was from the east side.  As I got older, I realized people from the east side didn't consider Solon to be a part of the east side. 

 

So East?  West?  No way...Chagrin River Valley is the best! lol

 

I could have sworn you said you lived in Shaker, I assumed you went to Shaker as well!

 

How dare you confuse me!  Solon!  ::)  Ugh!

Solon, Shaker, Strongsville, Salem, same thing.

Solon, Shaker, Strongsville, Salem, same thing.

 

Don't insult the fine people of Shaker Heights by lumping them in with Solon (ugh), Strongsville (gasp) or Salem (clutch your pearls)!

Isn't Kid Cuddly Bear or whatever his name is from Shaker Heights?  Nuff said.

Isn't Kid Cuddly Bear or whatever his name is from Shaker Heights?  Nuff said.

 

But he went to Solon High School.  Didn't he graduate in 96?  (J/K, I think he's about 6 years younger than SHS96.)

Isn't Kid Cuddly Bear or whatever his name is from Shaker Heights? Nuff said.

 

That took me a second to get. At first I thought you were talking about a forumer..

 

Yes Emo rap, it's painful (no pun intended)

Isn't Kid Cuddly Bear or whatever his name is from Shaker Heights? Nuff said.

 

That took me a second to get. At first I thought you were talking about a forumer..

 

Yes Emo rap, it's painful (no pun intended)

 

Ha, I had to google "Kid Cuddly" to figure out what you meant. Thankfully, Google knew what I really wanted. Google always knows.

Ha, I had to google "Kid Cuddly" to figure out what you meant. Thankfully, Google knew what I really wanted. Google always knows.

 

You got a results page full of Justin Bieber songs?

Ha, I had to google "Kid Cuddly" to figure out what you meant. Thankfully, Google knew what I really wanted. Google always knows.

 

You got a results page full of Justin Bieber songs?

 

Maybe that should go in the Cultural Blasphemy thread. Google knows what you want...even if you don't think you want it

Isn't Kid Cuddly Bear or whatever his name is from Shaker Heights?  Nuff said.

 

He's an idiot!  That's all I'll say.  He couldn't make it in Shaker, then went to lower Solon and flunked out.

 

The irony, his mom's is a teacher!

What the deal with the lack of people from Columbus?

ColumbusUnderground.com ;)

What the deal with the lack of people from Columbus?

 

Chris is still using the ColumbusUnderground excuse.

 

ColDay and MayDay banned most of them!

 

 

Now i'm not saying this is how it is, but this is my skewed view of both sides of town:

 

From my far far east locale i see Cleveland's far western suburbs as newer money, trying too hard to keep up w/the jones', etc. I see the older west side suburbanites as working class. I also picture them as being more eastern European (poles, slovaks, some germans, more orthodox christians, etc) they're into polka, bowling, high socks, and yard flamingos. hehe! BTW, my grandma grew up on W. 43. Two of my great aunts and a great uncle lived in Old Brooklyn.

 

I see the eastern suburbs a little differently: old money, more trees and hills, more snow. The people on the east side seem to be more western european(english, irish, etc), there also seems to be a more educated class there. I believe the east side has a high jewish population, there seems to be a decent number of asians. Last but not least the east side is where many of my friends and neighbors work everyday, i drive past/thru the eastern suburbs to go downtown for a browns/indians game, to concerts, etc.

 

It's funny, even Warren has an east vs. west divide (the Mahoning River runs between the two). The east side is where the Trumbull Country Club is, Dr's and professionals lived there. The west side was more working class mill hunkies. Then you have the Warren Harding Panthers vs Warren Western Reserve Raiders rivalry. Once the two high schools were consolidated into one and Warren Harding became the Raiders they pissed off all the eastsiders! There are actually some older people in Warren that still won't go to a football game because they kept the west side mascot, which had only been around since 1967 (Harding was the original high school).

 

 

Why is it, in all Ohio towns, the west side seems to be the blue collar side?

Well, if it makes you feel any better my mom (Warren westsider) always tells my dad (an eastsider), "west side's the best side, east side's the least side". It's something they used to say in school back in the day. :)

 

Also, to give you some prospective, my mom's dad worked at a steel mill (Thomas Steel), they only had one car and my grandmother stayed home. They had a lot with two houses and always rented the other one out to help make ends meet. My dads parents both worked, Grandpa was a skilled trades guy (millwright) at Packard Electric/GM/Delphi and my grandmother was a nurses trainer/head nurse at Trumbull Memorial. They always had two cars and got a new one every couple of years. All my grandparents were born in the late teens early 20s and were pretty poor growing up. Both grandfathers dropped out of high school to help support their families. Both grandmothers were pretty well educated. Dad's parents were first generation, mom's trace back to the revolution. :)

I think the HS question serves as a quick way to get to know what parts of the city someone might be familiar with. Cities are very different places, phenomenologically, depending on where you hang out. I guess you could ask what bars someone (used to) likes to go to, or restaurants or something, but HS cuts to the chase pretty quickly -- provided it is known the person being asked actually grew up in the city. I don't really see anything wrong with it, it's akin to asking "what neighborhood are you from?", but it is more likely to have a determinate answer since people move around.

 

Not necessarily the case in St. Louis as it is the private Catholic school capital of the country......

 

Cincinnati is also really big into the Catholic/Private highschool thing.  I don't mind the question, and when I meet someone from Cincinnati, it's usually one of the first questions I ask.  It gives you a lot of information in one question.  You can find out if someone is an east sider or west sider, general level of affluance (hate phrasing it that way, but I can't think of another way to put it), and an idea of the general type of childhood someone had, not to mention the possibility of knowing the same people.

 

When someone says they went to Colerain or Elder, I would naturally just assume we don't know the same people, and probably did not hang out in similar places.  If someone says they went to Sycamore or Seven Hills, chances are we have much more in common.

Why is it, in all Ohio towns, the west side seems to be the blue collar side?

 

I'd say Akron is a notable exception.  West Akron and the area around it is absolutely gorgeous.  And West Cleveland is certainly better than East Cleveland ;).

I learned at work that the E in BFE stands for Elyria.

Why is it, in all Ohio towns, the west side seems to be the blue collar side?

 

I was thinking about this after it was posted, I think it just happens to be a coincidence in Ohio cities. I think the real driver is the wealthy tended to move up hill to escape the pollution during the industrial age, which was usually centered around to river valleys. Examples being West Akron, Northside of Youngstown, The various Heights on the east side of Cleveland.

 

I'd say Akron is a notable exception.  West Akron and the area around it is absolutely gorgeous.  And West Cleveland is certainly better than East Cleveland ;) .

 

I was thinking about this after it was posted, I think it just happens to be a coincidence in Ohio cities. I think the real driver is the wealthy tended to move up hill to escape the pollution during the industrial age, which was usually centered around to river valleys. Examples being West Akron, Northside of Youngstown, The various Heights on the east side of Cleveland.

 

 

West Akron is gorgeous, with Northwest Akron being even better.  Akron's wealthiest suburbs are northwest of the city, too: Fairlawn, "Montrose" (in quotes for being an unincorporated area that everyone around here seems to know anyway), Bath Township.

 

Columbus' wealthiest suburbs are northwest of the city, too: Upper Arlington, Dublin, Powell.  Bexley and New Albany admittedly add some wealth on the east side, but they don't spill into the nearby parts of Columbus proper, save right by Easton.  Northwest Columbus seems to have a lot more nice neighborhoods that are in places barely distinguishable from the tony suburbs they border.

 

Canton's wealthiest suburb (Jackson Township) is northwest of the city as well.  My favorite metro neighborhood in Canton itself, Ridgewood, is just north of downtown, just south of Malone College.

Yes... the whole east side vs. west side rivalry has significantly died down.  But it is still fun to joke about.  How come it is the West siders that always get their panties in a bunch?

 

The "less than's" have always been a sensitive people!

 

 

And since we are on the subject of rivalries that can't be let go - shuck faker!

 

 

Oh no you didn't!  SHS96 handle this!

 

You people in CH are so damn uppity!

 

Isnt shs96 from Solon?   On second thought, what's the difference?  Solon, Shaker.  Shaker, Solon.  It aint THE Heights!

 

Yes, Solon...Solon High School Class of 96 = SHS96.  Growing up I thought I was from the east side.  As I got older, I realized people from the east side didn't consider Solon to be a part of the east side. 

 

So East?  West?  No way...Chagrin River Valley is the best! lol

 

I could have sworn you said you lived in Shaker, I assumed you went to Shaker as well!

 

How dare you confuse me!  Solon!   ::)  Ugh!

 

Nope...sorry you can't keep this stuff straight!

 

But hey, I was born there and my parents lived there until just last year.  It was a great place to grow up, IMO.  It's changed since and I wouldn't consider living there in the future, but I remember it fondly...and still go to Solon football games on occasion ;)