December 1, 201410 yr ^ The missing player you are referring to is Kosta Karageorge. Karageorge was an outstanding heavyweight wrestler for Worthington and Ohio State, and a walk-on defensive tackle for the football team in his senior year. His body was found yesterday inside a dumpster about one block away from his off-campus apartment. The 22-year-old, who was last seen on Wednesday, appeared to have killed himself, police said. A handgun was found near his body in the dumpster. http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/11/28/search-for-missing-OSU-player.html http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2014/11/30/columbus-ohio-body-of-missing-ohio-state-football-player-found.html http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/11/30/body-found-near-ohio-state.html
December 3, 201410 yr OSU vaults over Baylor in the last night's penultimate playoff rankings. But TCU also vaults over undefeated FSU. So, going into this weekend's final regular season games / conference championship games, OSU stands at #5: 1. Alabama 2. Oregon 3. TCU 4. Florida State 5. Ohio State 6. Baylor http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings
December 4, 201410 yr ^ I should probably wait until Cardale Jones starts this Saturday to answer that. But with the way JT Barrett had the offense rolling, the Buckeyes would have a chance against Alabama. Without Barrett, probably no chance. The OSU betting line on Saturday's game against Wisconsin changed from 4.5 point favorite to 4 point underdog after Barrett's injury.
December 5, 201410 yr ^ I should probably wait until Cardale Jones starts this Saturday to answer that. But with the way JT Barrett had the offense rolling, the Buckeyes would have a chance against Alabama. Without Barrett, probably no chance. The OSU betting line on Saturday's game against Wisconsin changed from 4.5 point favorite to 4 point underdog after Barrett's injury. So what the scoop OSU fans? Can Cardale run the offense and get a W against Whisky? Would that get OSU into the final 4? Thoughts?
December 5, 201410 yr ^ Let's take those questions apart: So what the scoop OSU fans? Can Cardale run the offense and get a W against Whisky? There's no scoop to offer. We've only seen Cardale Jones play in the spring practice game, late 4th quarter mop-up duty in blowout wins and in the second half of the win against Illinois. Here's what I said about that back on 11/3: "The Buckeyes steam-rolled the Illini 55-14 in a game that looked like a tune-up for next Saturday's big game against Sparty: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400547912 --- Probably the most interesting take away from this game was the QB play of backup Cardale Jones. He got extended playing time with the first-team because JT Barrett only played in the first half. (No injury to JT, but with OSU up 31-0 at halftime, they could afford to rest him.) Cardale looked really good passing - especially on that touch-pass 27-yard TD to Wilson early in the third." But that was against the Illini defense not the Badger defense. Sure, Cardale can run the offense. But likely not as effectively as Barrett. Urban did pick JT over Cardale after Braxton's season-ending injury for a reason. Some advantages for Cardale over JT's start is that the O-line and RB situation (with Elliott becoming the primary) has stabilized the offense. So Cardale is taking over a more polished offense than JT did at the start of the season. But although the coaches and JT are showing confidence in Cardale, there's only one way to know for sure how good he'll be. Would that get OSU into the final 4? By moving OSU to #5, the committee is giving the Buckeyes a chance if they beat Wisconsin. But it still looks like one of the top 4 needs to drop down with a loss. #1 Alabama vs. #16 Missouri in the SEC Championship game #2 Oregon plays #7 Arizona in the PAC 12 Championship game tonight (RichRod helping the Bucks?!?) #3 TCU hosting unranked Iowa State #4 FSU vs. #11 GT in the ACC Championship game
December 6, 201410 yr #2 Oregon easily defeated #7 Arizona last night - so the Ducks are in the final four. The Buckeyes need GT to upset FSU tonight (in addition to an OSU victory) to advance as well. Although if #6 Baylor beats #9 Kansas State tonight, they've got a chance to jump over OSU.
December 6, 201410 yr If Missouri beats Alabama, would the SEC be left out altogether? Unless the committee picks a two-loss Alabama team over a one-loss team, YES!!! And if the SEC would get shut out of the first 4-team playoff, there would be an immediate call for a 8-team playoff.
December 7, 201410 yr OSU and Baylor. Even with the statement we made yesterday, the three one-loss teams above us made similar statements and we can't leapfrog an unbeaten defending national champion, despite them squeaking by by the skin of their teeth. We had plenty of narrow escapes on our own 14-0 season in 2002-2003, too.
December 7, 201410 yr 538 seems to believe that FSU is the nearest to being knocked out. Which you'd think means that there's no chance under their model, but rather means 60/40 basically 70/40 FSU over OSU for the fourth spot. So they're just high if they think the odds are that bad for FSU. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/college-football-playoff-update-does-ohio-state-have-a-shot/
December 7, 201410 yr Did we win? Of all the scenarios I envisoned for last night's game, a 59-0 beatdown of a quality Wisconsin team - on a neutral field - with our third-string QB making his first ever start - was nowhere in my wildest dreams. JAW-DROPPING is the word for that win. This is Urban Meyer's finest coaching season at Ohio State - and that's after going 12-0 in his first season and 12-2 last year. Urban's now 36-3 at OSU! After the joy of that win, I almost don't care if the Buckeyes don't make the playoffs. Almost...
December 7, 201410 yr who gets screwed, OSU, TCU or Baylor? Despite what 538 might say, there's almost universal consensus that Florida State, Alabama and Oregon clinched the top three playoff spots. To echo what Gramarye said, every top 6 team that needed to win this weekend, won. The only difference was that TCU and Baylor didn't win a "conference championship game" because the Big 12 didn't have one. Ohio State couldn't have done any more to prove themselves playoff-worthy to the committee last night. Will TCU/Baylor "split the vote" in the committee, allowing OSU in? We'll all find out after 12:30 today!
December 7, 201410 yr We actually mostly watched the Florida State game since it was much closer and had much more of a chance of affecting things. The OSU game turned into a blowout so quickly that there was almost no need to watch it.
December 7, 201410 yr who gets screwed, OSU, TCU or Baylor? Despite what 538 might say, there's almost universal consensus that Florida State, Alabama and Oregon clinched the top three playoff spots. To echo what Gramarye said, every top 6 team that needed to win this weekend, won. The only difference was that TCU and Baylor didn't win a "conference championship game" because the Big 12 didn't have one. Ohio State couldn't have done any more to prove themselves playoff-worthy to the committee last night. Will TCU/Baylor "split the vote" in the committee, allowing OSU in? We'll all find out after 12:30 today! If "fan appeal" means anything, tOSU benefits. Neither TCU nor Baylor has much of a fan base. Both TCU's creaky place and Baylor's new one only seat 50,000. Not as bad as Boise State, but not up there with the big names at all.
December 7, 201410 yr OSU made a convincing statement. They're in. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/sports/ncaafootball/college-football-playoff-committee-picks-alabama-oregon-florida-state-and-ohio-state.html?emc=edit_na_20141207&nlid=16823768&_r=0&referrer=
December 7, 201410 yr OSU made a convincing statement. They're in. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/sports/ncaafootball/college-football-playoff-committee-picks-alabama-oregon-florida-state-and-ohio-state.html?emc=edit_na_20141207&nlid=16823768&_r=0&referrer= The 59-0 win over Wisky (with a third-string QB) got OSU in. The committee chair said as much.
December 7, 201410 yr I'm biased, but I think that's the right call. Ohio State had nice road wins at #7 Michigan State, at #26 Minnesota, and a neutral field dismantling of #17 Wisconsin. Yes that loss to Virginia Tech was ugly, but that 90 days ago and the Buckeyes have more than made their case since then.
December 7, 201410 yr OSU will have their hands full I think against Alabama. I think that's the toughest matchup. Oregon just has speed. I wish OSU could've been matched up with FSU in the first round. I think they will get shellacked by Oregon.
December 7, 201410 yr Right call imho. OSU just completely dominated a ranked Whisky team to get to 12 wins. Big 12 teams only had 11 wins. I don't know why they still have not expanded. It is really shortsighted.
December 7, 201410 yr This may be the right call, but I think the bucks have to be proactive with their out-of-conference schedule. going by memory, but have they scheduled a legitimate non-conference contender since USC in 2009?
December 8, 201410 yr The problem with out of conference scheduling is that it is set years in advance. The VT game was scheduled more than 5 years ago when it was a better program.
December 8, 201410 yr College football: where running up the score gets you into the playoffs. Oh how the bitter tears of SheepBoy only makes this sweeter!!!
December 8, 201410 yr ^ I'm certainly not bitter. Our program has 5 conference titles in the past 7 seasons, under 3 different coaches. With 9+ wins in eight of the last nine seasons, under 4 different coaches. We freakin' rock, given the cards we play with. And OSU's successful bid to get a playoff berth may be just the thing we needed to get back into one of the cool kids' conferences, since the B12 is thought to have missed out due to not having a conference championship (which would require two more members). What's good for the goose is good for the gander. (I also expect OSU fans should be happy to have another successful program in the state.) So you guys have a better team. This year. You beat us. Got a respectable win over champions of a different conference (if you have to play an unranked opponent, which everyone does, UC was ideal for strength of schedule). We played what turned out to be a national championship contender and didn't get completely blown out (cough, Wisconsin, cough, Rutgers, cough, Illinois). I wish we would play each other every year. We have to play a couple Ohio teams, and it's obvious Cincy has emerged over the past decade as the state's second fiddle. Why do both teams continue to drag down their strength of schedule by not playing each other?
December 8, 201410 yr OSU, for whatever reason, has always played a rotating schedule of one in-state team each year. (As I understand it, we played a second, Kent State, this year because Vanderbilt was supposed to come and cancelled for some reason.) It may even be nothing more than a gentleman's agreement to support various other state university athletic programs, because OSU pays a substantial check (on the scale of a MAC athletic budget) to all smaller schools they host. They've also been very hesitant to schedule games near to home. Not only have they not sought out Cincinnati, but they've seldom sought out Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, or Louisville, all of whom have had at least some pretty respectable runs in recent years, even if they have individual down years here and there. Partly that may be because of the fear of losing to a team that would compete with us for recruits, but OSU competes for recruits nationally and we're just as likely to lose a recruit to USC or Texas as Notre Dame. In reality, I'm pretty sure it's because of the TV markets. When we schedule USC, Texas, or even Virginia Tech, we're basically guaranteed to get a nationally televised game. Unfortunately, that's not the case if/when we play Cincinnati, even if Cincinnati is a stronger team than Virginia Tech.
December 8, 201410 yr College football: where running up the score gets you into the playoffs. Oh how the bitter tears of SheepBoy only makes this sweeter!!! Did you mean to quote someone else? What's SheepBoy in reference to? My comment was a pretty logical one: OSU should not have leapfrogged TCU primarily because they managed to score a lot of points in one game. They playoffs don’t make any sense, and like all bowl games they’re primarily focused on money, while maintaining just enough integrity to not be too obvious a joke.
December 8, 201410 yr College football: where running up the score gets you into the playoffs. Oh how the bitter tears of SheepBoy only makes this sweeter!!! Did you mean to quote someone else? What's SheepBoy in reference to? My comment was a pretty logical one: OSU should not have leapfrogged TCU primarily because they managed to score a lot of points in one game. They playoffs don’t make any sense, and like all bowl games they’re primarily focused on money, while maintaining just enough integrity to not be too obvious a joke. OSU had a better strength of schedule than TCU or Baylor. They beat MSU at East Lansing and totally dismantled a very good Wisconsin team. TCU beat up on a nobody the last week of the season I think the committee recognized that OSU is playing at a VERY high level right now and they might be the best team in the country and deserve a shot to prove it. I don't think anyone believes TCU is the best team in the country (outside of the TCU fanbase). That conference needs a title game ASAP
December 8, 201410 yr In terms of getting into the playoffs, it would have helped if the Big 12 had a title game, yes. However, note that even with TCU and Baylor excluded from the playoffs, they're both basically guaranteed invites to the best remaining bowls. Depending on the payout structure of those other bowls vs. the playoff bowls, it's actually possible that the Big 12 overall will be better off having #5 and #6 than having #4 and #11-ish (where the loser of the Big 12 title game would likely have dropped).
December 8, 201410 yr The argument would be that the only team TCU lost to was a #5 Baylor team in a 61-58 shootout. Aside from that they beat #15 Oklahoma State, #8 Oklahoma, #20 WVU, and #7 Kansas State. OSU beat #13 Wisconsin (demolished, them, really), #8 Michigan State, and #25 Minnesota. BUT, they lost to an unranked Virginia Tech 35-21 (ending the season 6-6). They also went into double overtime to beat Penn State (ending the season 6-6). I would be mad if I were a TCU or Baylor fan.
December 8, 201410 yr College football: where running up the score gets you into the playoffs. Oh how the bitter tears of SheepBoy only makes this sweeter!!! Did you mean to quote someone else? What's SheepBoy in reference to? My comment was a pretty logical one: OSU should not have leapfrogged TCU primarily because they managed to score a lot of points in one game. They playoffs don’t make any sense, and like all bowl games they’re primarily focused on money, while maintaining just enough integrity to not be too obvious a joke. Okay, they scored a lot of points and gave up none, against a top 15 team....
December 8, 201410 yr So you guys have a better team. This year. It's just a flat out better, waaaaaaaay more prestigious program. No offense, but there is absolutely no comparison. Cincy might as well be Div-1AA. That's just the way it is and always will be. That's how college football is. OSU will never lose a desired recruit to Cincy. Never. There are the 'big boys' and there is everyone else. There is no parity. This isn't the NFL. Sure, if Cincy played OSU 10 times, they might sneak in a win or two. 1AA teams beat the big boys every now and again. Hell, NJIT just beat Michigan this week in basketball. Did you mean to quote someone else? What's SheepBoy in reference to? My comment was a pretty logical one: OSU should not have leapfrogged TCU primarily because they managed to score a lot of points in one game. They playoffs dont make any sense, and like all bowl games theyre primarily focused on money, while maintaining just enough integrity to not be too obvious a joke. Ummmmm..... did you not catch the score of the TCU game? 55-3
December 8, 201410 yr So you guys have a better team. This year. It's just a flat out better, waaaaaaaay more prestigious program. No offense, but there is absolutely no comparison. Cincy might as well be Div-1AA. That's just the way it is and always will be. That's how college football is. OSU will never lose a desired recruit to Cincy. Never. There are the 'big boys' and there is everyone else. There is no parity. This isn't the NFL. Sure, if Cincy played OSU 10 times, they might sneak in a win or two. 1AA teams beat the big boys every now and again. Hell, NJIT just beat Michigan this week in basketball. Did you mean to quote someone else? What's SheepBoy in reference to? My comment was a pretty logical one: OSU should not have leapfrogged TCU primarily because they managed to score a lot of points in one game. They playoffs don’t make any sense, and like all bowl games they’re primarily focused on money, while maintaining just enough integrity to not be too obvious a joke. Ummmmm..... did you not catch the score of the TCU game? 55-3 Iowa State was 2-10, 0-9 in the Big 12.
December 8, 201410 yr As a UC graduate, someone who never attended OSU and has lived in both cities I cannot fathom why anybody would think UC football's legacy can be said in the same breath of Illinois' let alone OSU's. Boise State has much more cachet than UC despite only being in the public eye for 6-7 years.
December 8, 201410 yr It's just a flat out better, waaaaaaaay more prestigious program. No offense, but there is absolutely no comparison. Cincy might as well be Div-1AA. That's just the way it is and always will be. That's how college football is. OSU will never lose a desired recruit to Cincy. Never. There are the 'big boys' and there is everyone else. There is no parity. This isn't the NFL. Sure, if Cincy played OSU 10 times, they might sneak in a win or two. 1AA teams beat the big boys every now and again. Hell, NJIT just beat Michigan this week in basketball. What you mean to say is there is no meritocracy. It's certainly against the odds, but programs can rise to prestige, especially with all the conference realignment. Maryland or Rutgers could become a powerhouse of B1G. Cincy was bullying Rutgers for most of the past decade. Momentum of the past is huge, but the idea that Cincy could only squeak out a victory against OSU once a decade is ludicrous. We would have won 3-5 times in the past decade, had we played each year. As a UC graduate, someone who never attended OSU and has lived in both cities I cannot fathom why anybody would think UC football's legacy can be said in the same breath of Illinois' let alone OSU's. Boise State has much more cachet than UC despite only being in the public eye for 6-7 years. As a resident of the new C(olumbus) on the block, you should recognize that recent performance is also relevant alongside historic might. Actually, I think the "football programs are like cities" metaphor is pretty apt, albeit with less stability in specific rank order.
December 8, 201410 yr Momentum of the past is huge, but the idea that Cincy could only squeak out a victory against OSU once a decade is ludicrous. We would have won 3-5 times in the past decade, had we played each year. Laughable. Programs like Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, etc. have trouble going blow for blow with OSU year in year out. Programs don't normally rise out of mediocrity to become one of the elite....... Oregon perhaps being the one example I can think of for some truly unique purposes (Nike). Sometimes elite programs fall down to mediocrity for a few years (Alabama, for instance, and probably what Michigan is experiencing right now), but the general landscape of the true powerhouses remains the same. The following are the powerhouse programs.... the truly elite programs over the years regardless of how well they are doing at any given moment.... Oklahoma Michigan Ohio State Alabama Notre Dame Nebraska USC Texas Penn State Tennessee LSU Georgia Auburn Miami Florida State Florida Then there is a bit of a separation between them and the second tier, which would include teams like Wisconsin, UCLA, Clemson, Iowa, Michigan St., Texas A&M, Washington, Stanford, Colorado, Arkansas, Ole Miss, etc. After that there are a lot of quality programs, such as Cincy and East Carolina, but no one would put them in the same category as the second tier programs, let alone the truly elite programs.
December 8, 201410 yr Wish you guys in the 'Nati were as proud of the Bengals as you are of UC! Despite the fact that the Bengals make the playoffs quite often I mostly hear complaining about them from Cincinnatians. You've got Sting in your stable but are more excited about your Ricky Morton poking his finger at the chest of Big Van Vader.
December 8, 201410 yr How about good luck to OSU, beat Alabama good luck to UC, beat VaTech. Anyone who calls UC a D1AA program has zero cred.
December 8, 201410 yr If they were AA they would crush everybody yearly like Marshall used to before they were basically told to go 1-A, that's for sure.
December 8, 201410 yr How about good luck to OSU, beat Alabama good luck to UC, beat VaTech. Anyone who calls UC a D1AA program has zero cred. True. MAC level is more accurate. I say this even though they are my second favorite college team for now. tOSU beat them soundly even though they figured out an exploitable gap in their D. Without that quick slant, it's a Wisconsin-level demolition. What's in it for Ohio State to schedule them annually?
December 8, 201410 yr Anyone who calls UC a D1AA program has zero cred. That was me. And I wasn't saying that they are on par with the 1AA programs, or whatever they are called now. The point was that Div I isn't really a single Division. There are the top tier teams and there is everyone else. That's the way it always has been and probably the way it always will be. Cincy is not a top tier team. OSU is a top tier team. So the point was that Cincy might as well be IAA when trying to compare it to OSU. It's like trying to compare Chicago and Cheyenne. Both are cities. But you would never ever place them in the same category.
December 8, 201410 yr Are you comparing them due to student populations? The U dominated the '80s with an undergraduate enrollment of like 6,000.
December 8, 201410 yr ^^Why? Because you think Austin and Seattle are 'cool'? We'll split the difference and say Dayton. Seattle and Austin might be considered second tier cities.... with Seattle a borderline first tier city. ^I'm not comparing the schools at all...... only the football programs...... not even the entire athletic department. Just football.
December 8, 201410 yr No not you Hts, I'm talking about the comparison between cities. I'm trying to see if the reason there is so much push from some in Cincy for the Buckeye comparisons is due to that UC is the #2 school in the state enrollment-wise. But some schools with high enrollments are nobodys in football while some smaller schools have big names in it.
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