The Columbus media knows the situation better and the victim for what she is. The National media has a narrative to push and tries to fit the story into a box. They don't care about Courtney SMith, but rather how she fits into the national narrative.

 

 

Crazy wives should get divorced, not beaten. Bruises don't create themselves, Urban Meyer SHOULD be sorry that she was a victim and he did nothing about it. Period. Maybe she was "crazy" because she lived in fear of her husband and because no one believed anything she said because they feared losing their jobs? Calling physical abuse a "bad marriage" is a huge cop out. Bad marriages end in divorce, not police reports.

 

we don't all know the facts completely yet. I always revert back to a friend of mine who send pictures of her beaten by her boyfriend at the time to the police to have him arrested. Only, the time that those pictures were taken and the time that the abuse occurred he was no where near her and could not have done that. It was a desperate plea on her end to try and keep him. I am not saying CS was like this but, until all the facts are in, we should not just blindly assume victimhood or innocence.

I don't really care about the credibility of Courtney Smith.  Zach Smith should have been fired for spending a recruiting trip at a strip club, missing recruiting visits, being late to practices and team meeting multiple times.  Urban gave him way too long of a leash.  Zach Smith should never have been hired, should have been fired in 2015, and both Urban and Gene knew so.  They then went to great lengths to not fire him and failed to report multiple incidents to the Compliance Department.

I wonder if they were too nice to him because of the Earle Bruce connection.

I always hated Smith and every year I was anxiously awaiting his termination every year because he was a horrible coach, and just seemed like an a$$ of a person. All the SHit talking he did with other assistant coaches on the trail and constantly getting into it on Twitter was poor form. He was a good recruiter but did nothing with the talent he coached. He should have been canned after 2013 and def after the 2016 Clemson loss

He's one of those people that you hate to see smile because if he is smiling that means something bad is happening.

I didn't watch the press conference and I get the sense I didn't miss much, though the 3 game suspension I suppose is the big issue, at least in terms of practical outcome (a comparatively minor penalty).

 

I presume that this is just the university investigation.  I've lost track of this.  Is there still a parallel police investigation?  (Was there ever?)  (Edit: To clarify, "ever" as in "in 2018, within the last several months," not years ago.)

No, the cops even stopped responding to 911 calls from the house. But yesterday Zach dropped their kid off at her house and got charged with trespassing since he's not allowed to go there.

...well that house is going to be in foreclosure here shortly.  There are only so many $300k coaching jobs in Columbus. 

oh yeah, they seem like the exact type to overbuy everything. The only thing to wonder is which model of $80k+ oversized black SUV they each have.

^ the report also stated that he was often late reimbursing the school for cell phone bills and other related personal expenses along with always being late on paying his credit cards.

 

The interesting thing is that they are both going to have to take a huge step down in standard of living given whatever job he gets will not pay anywhere near what WR coach at OSU paid. How prepared is she for this? Also, could it be argued that her talking to the media was the result of trying to get back at the coach her fired her ex, thus ending her gravy train.

Also, could it be argued that her talking to the media was the result of trying to get back at the coach her fired her ex, thus ending her gravy train.

 

Ah yes, this line of thinking will certainly go a long way in proving that OSU fans aren't a crazed cult who value winning above all else.

Not saying that is her motive, but it is a legitimate issue to raise. It is a tough situation and you have to be willing to ask the tough questions and not p*sseyfoot around things because of sensitivity

Not saying that is her motive, but it is a legitimate issue to raise. It is a tough situation and you have to be willing to ask the tough questions and not p*sseyfoot around things because of sensitivity

 

Tough question = Did Courtney Smith want to get revenge on Urban Meyer because he fired her ex-husband, the man who she claimed had abused her for years, because that would mean potentially smaller alimony and child support payments?  That's the question you "have to be willing to ask?"

 

Good Lord, you've lost it man.

Is it harsh yes, Is it PC of course not. But it certainly is a legitimate question.

Also, is there a separate investigation of Shelley Meyer?  Was that wrapped into this?  Both the fans and detractors of OSU are of course more interested in Urban's fate than Shelley's, but at least as I understand the narrative, Shelley was (a) the actual, initial recipient of the relevant information, and (b) also an OSU employee at the time (and still is).

^ You would have to think there is an investigation into her activities or that it was just complete.

 

My guess is that the Meyer thing will die down in a few weeks and then a reporter will dig into the matter to find that Shelley is no longer an employee at Ohio State due to her failure to properly report. It will be a minor blip and essentially be nothing more than a housecleaning matter. Given her role, a press release would not be warranted for such a matter and the news will likely be buried.

Or they even help her find work at Riverside or Grant and everybody's happy.

But it certainly is a legitimate question.

 

LMAO ok.

Or they even help her find work at Riverside or Grant and everybody's happy.

 

I am not too familiar with her role at OSU. What exactly did she do? I know she was a nurse by training but I did not think she practiced much anymore.

Maybe teaching nursing school? A couple other hospitals in town also have their own nursing schools.

Not saying that is her motive, but it is a legitimate issue to raise. It is a tough situation and you have to be willing to ask the tough questions and not p*sseyfoot around things because of sensitivity

 

Tough question = Did Courtney Smith want to get revenge on Urban Meyer because he fired her ex-husband, the man who she claimed had abused her for years, because that would mean potentially smaller alimony and child support payments?  That's the question you "have to be willing to ask?"

 

a whoooolle lot of conspiracy theories about the victim going around by buckeye fans trying to blame her for being crazy, and why she is targeting Urban.  nothing is substantiated..thats just deflection from what actually took place.

 

Ohio State looks terrible through all this.  No matter how good everyone thinks the football team makes them look, this stink will outweigh anything that can be acomplished by the team.  Really bad look, bad leadership, cowards all around.  Ohio State tries so hard to be a prestigious University.  Wants to be the best, be better than u of M and all that. Educationally they have done some good things in the past couple decades, but lets face it... This just shows the true colors of the university and the people involved.  It is and always will be a football school.  Enough with The Ohio State University.  Nobody is buying it and the rest of the country is shaking their heads

Columbus media is reporting that it was indeed Zach's relation to Earle Bruce (grandson) that at least partially motivated the too nice treatment of him. Now that we know more about that aspect I do feel that some discipline was in order for the administration. Undeserving meatheads being allowed to act poorly around college campuses because of who they are related to or know is a classic abuse.

 

I remember guys like this from school and while I was congenial with them the minute that they asked for special treatment from me I let them know where the boundaries were. Hey, at least I did something right when I was that age!

a whoooolle lot of conspiracy theories about the victim going around by buckeye fans trying to blame her for being crazy, and why she is targeting Urban.  nothing is substantiated..thats just deflection from what actually took place.

 

Ohio State looks terrible through all this.  No matter how good everyone thinks the football team makes them look, this stink will outweigh anything that can be acomplished by the team.  Really bad look, bad leadership, cowards all around.  Ohio State tries so hard to be a prestigious University.  Wants to be the best, be better than u of M and all that. Educationally they have done some good things in the past couple decades, but lets face it... This just shows the true colors of the university and the people involved.  It is and always will be a football school.  Enough with The Ohio State University.  Nobody is buying it and the rest of the country is shaking their heads

 

I am really trying to see how this looks bad for the football program as a whole.  Zach Smith has been fired.  People seem to want to believe that Urban Meyer had a great deal more to do with the whole history of abuse than it can be really proven he did.  There are things people say he "should have known" that were either actively sealed by court order or that would have come to him at best thirdhand from unofficial sources.  (In the judicial system, we'd call it hearsay within hearsay.)  This is not like the Penn State situation in which the criminal conduct was happening in the school facilities.  This is about criminal conduct that, allegedly, happened off school grounds, and was kept quiet through--and this is key and would change my opinion on the matter if proven otherwise--intervention of people who are not Urban Meyer and were not acting at his behest or suggestion.

 

None of the above is blaming the victim.  None of it is even really doubting the victim.  Courtney Smith has not, to my knowledge, suggested that Meyer applied pressure to her to stay quiet with respect to the earlier incident.  People seem to want Meyer's head to roll, or possibly even the entire program's, based on--I'm not even sure, exactly.  Some mix of failure to investigate and failure to report (or failure to start firing people based on the first sign of outside criminal conduct, maybe), I guess, but I don't know.  People are calling out OSU fans for circling the wagons, but as large as OSU fandom is, its anti-fandom is far larger, and I've seen quite a bit of it on this thread already.  This has nothing to do with being a football school instead of a major research university (which, of course, those things are not inconsistent and OSU is both).  This has to do with actual justice, and I still haven't seen anything that justifies harsher sanctions on Meyer than have already been imposed.  In fact, I'm not even really sure that I see anything that justifies the three game suspension.

 

In case it needs repetition and clarification, Zach Smith deserved to be fired and probably deserves more, and may get more.  And I'll also add that I am ashamed of Earle Bruce and make no excuses for his conduct in trying to hush the earlier incident, even though I know he intervened partly for his grandson, not the program.  But Earle Bruce is now dead and would be 87 even if he were alive; he last coached at OSU before most of the current players were born.  But that's obviously not big enough for the OSU anti-fandom.  They want Urban.  They don't care how tangential his involvement was.  The point is not justice or fairness, the point is damaging the OSU brand and program with the highest-profile possible scalp.

Undeserving meatheads being allowed to act poorly around college campuses because of who they are related to or know is a classic abuse.

 

 

 

These kinds of guys always talk about how playing sports teaches "teamwork" and "builds character".  The main thing I learned from playing youth sports was that the coach's son always gets to start. 

 

a whoooolle lot of conspiracy theories about the victim going around by buckeye fans trying to blame her for being crazy, and why she is targeting Urban.  nothing is substantiated..thats just deflection from what actually took place.

 

Ohio State looks terrible through all this.  No matter how good everyone thinks the football team makes them look, this stink will outweigh anything that can be acomplished by the team.  Really bad look, bad leadership, cowards all around.  Ohio State tries so hard to be a prestigious University.  Wants to be the best, be better than u of M and all that. Educationally they have done some good things in the past couple decades, but lets face it... This just shows the true colors of the university and the people involved.  It is and always will be a football school.  Enough with The Ohio State University.  Nobody is buying it and the rest of the country is shaking their heads

 

I am really trying to see how this looks bad for the football program as a whole.  Zach Smith has been fired.  People seem to want to believe that Urban Meyer had a great deal more to do with the whole history of abuse than it can be really proven he did.  There are things people say he "should have known" that were either actively sealed by court order or that would have come to him at best thirdhand from unofficial sources.  (In the judicial system, we'd call it hearsay within hearsay.)  This is not like the Penn State situation in which the criminal conduct was happening in the school facilities.  This is about criminal conduct that, allegedly, happened off school grounds, and was kept quiet through--and this is key and would change my opinion on the matter if proven otherwise--intervention of people who are not Urban Meyer and were not acting at his behest or suggestion.

 

None of the above is blaming the victim.  None of it is even really doubting the victim.  Courtney Smith has not, to my knowledge, suggested that Meyer applied pressure to her to stay quiet with respect to the earlier incident.  People seem to want Meyer's head to roll, or possibly even the entire program's, based on--I'm not even sure, exactly.  Some mix of failure to investigate and failure to report (or failure to start firing people based on the first sign of outside criminal conduct, maybe), I guess, but I don't know.  People are calling out OSU fans for circling the wagons, but as large as OSU fandom is, its anti-fandom is far larger, and I've seen quite a bit of it on this thread already.  This has nothing to do with being a football school instead of a major research university (which, of course, those things are not inconsistent and OSU is both).  This has to do with actual justice, and I still haven't seen anything that justifies harsher sanctions on Meyer than have already been imposed.  In fact, I'm not even really sure that I see anything that justifies the three game suspension.

 

In case it needs repetition and clarification, Zach Smith deserved to be fired and probably deserves more, and may get more.  And I'll also add that I am ashamed of Earle Bruce and make no excuses for his conduct in trying to hush the earlier incident, even though I know he intervened partly for his grandson, not the program.  But Earle Bruce is now dead and would be 87 even if he were alive; he last coached at OSU before most of the current players were born.  But that's obviously not big enough for the OSU anti-fandom.  They want Urban.  They don't care how tangential his involvement was.  The point is not justice or fairness, the point is damaging the OSU brand and program with the highest-profile possible scalp.

 

Go to twitter ,  there are plenty of buckeye fans blaming her for being a lunatic and a liar

 

Look, I understand fandom...but it’s ok to just be mad at your team and disapprove.  Can anyone find one neutral writer or platform that said Ohio state DIDNT botch this? Heck, even Ohio state beat guys like Doug Lesmeris and Ari Wasserman believe it was a failure.  Chris Carter is embarrassed. The unbiased mind looks at this says Ohio State priorities are 1. Money and winning 2. Everything else.  The people working reallllly hard to defend Ohio state are just buckeye fans who love their team.  Shocker

a whoooolle lot of conspiracy theories about the victim going around by buckeye fans trying to blame her for being crazy, and why she is targeting Urban.  nothing is substantiated..thats just deflection from what actually took place.

 

Ohio State looks terrible through all this.  No matter how good everyone thinks the football team makes them look, this stink will outweigh anything that can be acomplished by the team.  Really bad look, bad leadership, cowards all around.  Ohio State tries so hard to be a prestigious University.  Wants to be the best, be better than u of M and all that. Educationally they have done some good things in the past couple decades, but lets face it... This just shows the true colors of the university and the people involved.  It is and always will be a football school.  Enough with The Ohio State University.  Nobody is buying it and the rest of the country is shaking their heads

 

I am really trying to see how this looks bad for the football program as a whole.  Zach Smith has been fired.  People seem to want to believe that Urban Meyer had a great deal more to do with the whole history of abuse than it can be really proven he did.  There are things people say he "should have known" that were either actively sealed by court order or that would have come to him at best thirdhand from unofficial sources.  (In the judicial system, we'd call it hearsay within hearsay.)  This is not like the Penn State situation in which the criminal conduct was happening in the school facilities.  This is about criminal conduct that, allegedly, happened off school grounds, and was kept quiet through--and this is key and would change my opinion on the matter if proven otherwise--intervention of people who are not Urban Meyer and were not acting at his behest or suggestion.

 

None of the above is blaming the victim.  None of it is even really doubting the victim.  Courtney Smith has not, to my knowledge, suggested that Meyer applied pressure to her to stay quiet with respect to the earlier incident.  People seem to want Meyer's head to roll, or possibly even the entire program's, based on--I'm not even sure, exactly.  Some mix of failure to investigate and failure to report (or failure to start firing people based on the first sign of outside criminal conduct, maybe), I guess, but I don't know.  People are calling out OSU fans for circling the wagons, but as large as OSU fandom is, its anti-fandom is far larger, and I've seen quite a bit of it on this thread already.  This has nothing to do with being a football school instead of a major research university (which, of course, those things are not inconsistent and OSU is both).  This has to do with actual justice, and I still haven't seen anything that justifies harsher sanctions on Meyer than have already been imposed.  In fact, I'm not even really sure that I see anything that justifies the three game suspension.

 

In case it needs repetition and clarification, Zach Smith deserved to be fired and probably deserves more, and may get more.  And I'll also add that I am ashamed of Earle Bruce and make no excuses for his conduct in trying to hush the earlier incident, even though I know he intervened partly for his grandson, not the program.  But Earle Bruce is now dead and would be 87 even if he were alive; he last coached at OSU before most of the current players were born.  But that's obviously not big enough for the OSU anti-fandom.  They want Urban.  They don't care how tangential his involvement was.  The point is not justice or fairness, the point is damaging the OSU brand and program with the highest-profile possible scalp.

 

Go to twitter ,  there are plenty of buckeye fans blaming her for being a lunatic and a liar

 

Look, I understand fandom...but it’s ok to just be mad at your team and disapprove.  Can anyone find one neutral writer or platform that said Ohio state DIDNT botch this? Heck, even Ohio state beat guys like Doug Lesmeris and Ari Wasserman believe it was a failure.  Chris Carter is embarrassed. The unbiased mind looks at this says Ohio State priorities are 1. Money and winning 2. Everything else.  The people working reallllly hard to defend Ohio state are just buckeye fans who love their team.  Shocker

 

I know you are trying hard to be the social warrior here but this story has been a take-down piece from the very beginning - Meyer and OSU are huge targets and the media wanted blood.  And you've been solidly rooting for it with comments like "heavy lies the crown", well before any real investigation was done.

 

I think there's more to the results of the investigation than what most are reading.  What struck me as significant is that the report clearly called out that Urban & his wife had doubts about the veracity of Mrs. Smith's claims.  There's more there but I think OSU was being respectful by stopping short of calling the woman a serial liar.  I also think they probably stopped short of saying the police should have taken more actions after visiting the home so many times responding to calls...  but without the police reports or actual charges filed, the University was supposed to fire him for allegations?  Maybe.  But again, not a reason to can Meyer.

 

Yes this looks bad for OSU, of course, but find one reporter who thinks Meyer should've been fired for this?  They kept this Zach Smith around too long, yes, but the investigation doesn't reveal a lot of wrong doing other than lying to the media and deleting some text messages... 

 

So do you think Meyer should have been fired for this?  Larger NCAA penalties?  Bowl sanctions?  Scholarship reductions?  Go ahead and make your case why

They should have fired Smith several years ago for being a crappy employee. Messy personal life, routinely late to practice, running up a $600 bill at a strip club on a recruiting trip, no-showed recruiting visits....I don't understand why he was brought back year after year. Urban didn't need a DV conviction/charge to fire Smith.

Go to twitter

 

I'll pass, thanks.  Never have and I really don't think my life is less complete for its absence.

 

They should have fired Smith several years ago for being a crappy employee. Messy personal life, routinely late to practice, running up a $600 bill at a strip club on a recruiting trip, no-showed recruiting visits....I don't understand why he was brought back year after year. Urban didn't need a DV conviction/charge to fire Smith.

 

Other than messy personal life, these things are new to me.  What sources have been saying this?  How reliable are they?  Those are definitely the kinds of directly job-related failures that could have warranted firing for more pedestrian reasons than DV allegations (or charges or conviction).

Go to twitter

 

I'll pass, thanks.  Never have and I really don't think my life is less complete for its absence.

 

They should have fired Smith several years ago for being a crappy employee. Messy personal life, routinely late to practice, running up a $600 bill at a strip club on a recruiting trip, no-showed recruiting visits....I don't understand why he was brought back year after year. Urban didn't need a DV conviction/charge to fire Smith.

 

Other than messy personal life, these things are new to me.  What sources have been saying this?  How reliable are they?  Those are definitely the kinds of directly job-related failures that could have warranted firing for more pedestrian reasons than DV allegations (or charges or conviction).

 

It's in the report...

 

Twelve revealing findings from the Ohio State investigation into Urban Meyer and Zach Smith

 

 

"Zach Smith's job performance suffered during his divorce proceedings in 2015. He was regularly late to practice and team meetings. He also failed to appear at recruiting visits at various high schools while claiming that he had been there. Meyer warned Smith that continued problems would lead to his dismissal. Gene Smith recommended to Meyer that he fire Zach Smith that year."

 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/twelve-revealing-findings-from-the-ohio-state-investigation-into-urban-meyer-and-zach-smith/

 

 

Ohio State investigation | Report details Zach Smith’s bad behavior, Urban Meyer’s response

 

“Zach Smith ran up a significant bill at a local strip club ... approximately $600 of his personal funds at a Miami strip club,” the report stated. Head coach Urban Meyer became aware of the incident, but told investigators he did not know the amount spent at the strip club. Meyer also did not report the incident to the compliance department.

 

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180823/ohio-state-investigation--report-details-zach-smiths-bad-behavior-urban-meyers-response

 

Zach Smith spent $600 at a strip club on a recruiting visit (with another OSU assistant coach - Tom Herman - and an unnamed high school coach).  Urban didn't fire him.

 

He was late to team meetings and practices.  He missed recruiting visits.  Urban didn't fire him.

 

Urban's "life coach" for the team apparently spoke to Courtney Smith and persuaded her not to press charges against Zach.

 

Urban apparently did not disclose Zach Smith's 2009 arrest to Gene Smith upon the hiring of Zach Smith.

 

There were multiple fireable offenses made by Zach Smith during his tenure.  Urban only threatened with the "one more time and you're fired" line for a guy already on a second chance.  Both Urban and Gene whitewashed evidence after McMurphy's report dropped.

 

There are no heroes in this story.

 

a whoooolle lot of conspiracy theories about the victim going around by buckeye fans trying to blame her for being crazy, and why she is targeting Urban.  nothing is substantiated..thats just deflection from what actually took place.

 

Ohio State looks terrible through all this.  No matter how good everyone thinks the football team makes them look, this stink will outweigh anything that can be acomplished by the team.  Really bad look, bad leadership, cowards all around.  Ohio State tries so hard to be a prestigious University.  Wants to be the best, be better than u of M and all that. Educationally they have done some good things in the past couple decades, but lets face it... This just shows the true colors of the university and the people involved.  It is and always will be a football school.  Enough with The Ohio State University.  Nobody is buying it and the rest of the country is shaking their heads

 

I am really trying to see how this looks bad for the football program as a whole.  Zach Smith has been fired.  People seem to want to believe that Urban Meyer had a great deal more to do with the whole history of abuse than it can be really proven he did.  There are things people say he "should have known" that were either actively sealed by court order or that would have come to him at best thirdhand from unofficial sources.  (In the judicial system, we'd call it hearsay within hearsay.)  This is not like the Penn State situation in which the criminal conduct was happening in the school facilities.  This is about criminal conduct that, allegedly, happened off school grounds, and was kept quiet through--and this is key and would change my opinion on the matter if proven otherwise--intervention of people who are not Urban Meyer and were not acting at his behest or suggestion.

 

None of the above is blaming the victim.  None of it is even really doubting the victim.  Courtney Smith has not, to my knowledge, suggested that Meyer applied pressure to her to stay quiet with respect to the earlier incident.  People seem to want Meyer's head to roll, or possibly even the entire program's, based on--I'm not even sure, exactly.  Some mix of failure to investigate and failure to report (or failure to start firing people based on the first sign of outside criminal conduct, maybe), I guess, but I don't know.  People are calling out OSU fans for circling the wagons, but as large as OSU fandom is, its anti-fandom is far larger, and I've seen quite a bit of it on this thread already.  This has nothing to do with being a football school instead of a major research university (which, of course, those things are not inconsistent and OSU is both).  This has to do with actual justice, and I still haven't seen anything that justifies harsher sanctions on Meyer than have already been imposed.  In fact, I'm not even really sure that I see anything that justifies the three game suspension.

 

In case it needs repetition and clarification, Zach Smith deserved to be fired and probably deserves more, and may get more.  And I'll also add that I am ashamed of Earle Bruce and make no excuses for his conduct in trying to hush the earlier incident, even though I know he intervened partly for his grandson, not the program.  But Earle Bruce is now dead and would be 87 even if he were alive; he last coached at OSU before most of the current players were born.  But that's obviously not big enough for the OSU anti-fandom.  They want Urban.  They don't care how tangential his involvement was.  The point is not justice or fairness, the point is damaging the OSU brand and program with the highest-profile possible scalp.

 

Go to twitter ,  there are plenty of buckeye fans blaming her for being a lunatic and a liar

 

Look, I understand fandom...but it’s ok to just be mad at your team and disapprove.  Can anyone find one neutral writer or platform that said Ohio state DIDNT botch this? Heck, even Ohio state beat guys like Doug Lesmeris and Ari Wasserman believe it was a failure.  Chris Carter is embarrassed. The unbiased mind looks at this says Ohio State priorities are 1. Money and winning 2. Everything else.  The people working reallllly hard to defend Ohio state are just buckeye fans who love their team.  Shocker

 

I know you are trying hard to be the social warrior here but this story has been a take-down piece from the very beginning - Meyer and OSU are huge targets and the media wanted blood.  And you've been solidly rooting for it with comments like "heavy lies the crown", well before any real investigation was done.

 

I think there's more to the results of the investigation than what most are reading.  What struck me as significant is that the report clearly called out that Urban & his wife had doubts about the veracity of Mrs. Smith's claims.  There's more there but I think OSU was being respectful by stopping short of calling the woman a serial liar.  I also think they probably stopped short of saying the police should have taken more actions after visiting the home so many times responding to calls...  but without the police reports or actual charges filed, the University was supposed to fire him for allegations?  Maybe.  But again, not a reason to can Meyer.

 

Yes this looks bad for OSU, of course, but find one reporter who thinks Meyer should've been fired for this?  They kept this Zach Smith around too long, yes, but the investigation doesn't reveal a lot of wrong doing other than lying to the media and deleting some text messages... 

 

So do you think Meyer should have been fired for this?  Larger NCAA penalties?  Bowl sanctions?  Scholarship reductions?  Go ahead and make your case why

 

Im fairly impartial.  I dont care if OSU does good or bad.  I root for them on the big stage.  Im not obsessed with them.  I consider myself neutral.  But thinking the media has a target on OSU and Meyer,...i  hear that alot and i think its a bit of insecurity on Ohio State fans part.  I think if they actually acted with any type of spine, the national media would applaud the handling of the situation.  I hear that alot, "the media doesnt like us, they want us to go down"....who cares? I think the whole thing was a joke and a slap on the wrist.  If they wanted to get some respect, they probably would have Fired Gene Smith and said, Urban Meyer will be suspended for a year without pay.  IN his absence, he will help become more educated with domestic violence and spend hours with victims and organizations that combat domestic violence.  He will be a leader and an ambassador for that movement.  Urban will return for the 2019 season and hopefully be more aware of the severity of the issue.

 

Thats me being nice to him.  After watching him speak at the conference the other night, ya'll can keep him.  Hes about himself and thats it.  i find him slimy and im not a fan anymore.  whether he did or didnt do anything wrong, his presser showed who he really is

Like, let the whole country know that you are as excellent and have as high expectations for your people as you say you do.  Instead, you let the whole country know you are afraid of making your coach mad and thus losing the money associated with his success.  That’s weak and that’s why they are getting killed nationally

They suspended Urban Meyer (and Gene Smith - sort of) fewer games than Pryor, Posey, etc. got for trading in gold pants and jerseys for tattoos.

^Those were NCAA violations.

^Those were NCAA violations.

 

The penalties for those infractions were still BS in terms of severity (letting the punishment fit the crime), and in fact were formative for many current Buckeye fans in perceiving that there is an unfair target on OSU's back.

 

The primary punishment for getting a tattoo should be having to live with it when you're older.

Well, I think they wanted rid of Tressel anyway since Tressel Ball wasn't suited to today's high-scoring era.

The fact that Ohio State released the report AFTER the press conference was cowardly, even Louisville released the stripper-gate report before their press conference so the media was educated on the issues and knew which questions to ask.

 

Tribalism is rampant and it is completely clear in this case (as it was with Louisville fans last year). Ohio State fans think everything is fine, and are attacking the only true victim in the case because whatever is good for football success is all they care about. The entire rest of the country thinks this looks really bad for the University. The press conference was a complete embarrassment and Meyer is only sorry for himself; they should be forced to take "treat women with respect" off their locker room Core Values because it's a complete joke.

The fact that Ohio State released the report AFTER the press conference was cowardly, even Louisville released the stripper-gate report before their press conference so the media was educated on the issues and knew which questions to ask.

 

Tribalism is rampant and it is completely clear in this case (as it was with Louisville fans last year). Ohio State fans think everything is fine, and are attacking the only true victim in the case because whatever is good for football success is all they care about. The entire rest of the country thinks this looks really bad for the University. The press conference was a complete embarrassment and Meyer is only sorry for himself; they should be forced to take "treat women with respect" off their locker room Core Values because it's a complete joke.

 

I'm fairly certain they released the report to the press immediately before the press conference.

The media narrative will die down and people will move on to other things. The Maryland case is a much bigger deal than this really is. Someone died there, it occurred on campus and under the control and guidance of organized team activities.

 

Let's put some things in perspective here.

 

 

 

The fact that Ohio State released the report AFTER the press conference was cowardly, even Louisville released the stripper-gate report before their press conference so the media was educated on the issues and knew which questions to ask.

 

Tribalism is rampant and it is completely clear in this case (as it was with Louisville fans last year). Ohio State fans think everything is fine, and are attacking the only true victim in the case because whatever is good for football success is all they care about. The entire rest of the country thinks this looks really bad for the University. The press conference was a complete embarrassment and Meyer is only sorry for himself; they should be forced to take "treat women with respect" off their locker room Core Values because it's a complete joke.

 

I'm fairly certain they released the report to the press immediately before the press conference.

 

No, they released the 23-page summary after the press conference was over.

I would not release the report ahead of the press conference. You want to be able to frame the discussion first. It is never a good idea to release it first.

I would not release the report ahead of the press conference. You want to be able to frame the discussion first. It is never a good idea to release it first.

 

Yes...they look really good right now.  /s

I would not release the report ahead of the press conference. You want to be able to frame the discussion first. It is never a good idea to release it first.

 

Man, you belong up there with Gene and Urb.  "Frame the Discussion".  The discussion is..."We screwed up on many levels, We apologize to the family, We are going to punish our people as this is not tolerated at a Prestigious place like THE Ohio State University".  If you frame the discussion, you are just trying to hide something.  These people are paid with our tax money, remember...they owe complete transparency.  If these people were politicians they would all have had their careers dead by now.  But since people in this state hold football in such high regard and are obsessed with it, we can "frame the discussion"

  If these people were politicians they would all have had their careers dead by now. 

 

Not anymore. The President of the United States cheated on his wife with a porn star yet it's only a "minor" story in 2018. 25 years ago you had to lie about even trying weed to remain in office.

^ BelieveLand[/member] Time to step back away from the cliff here, or away from the Mt. Dew and assess why that is important to frame it first.

 

You can say "We screwed up"  or "we were 100% wrong" if that is the narrative you want to have people focus on. That is perfectly fine. But you want to make sure your narrative is the first thing heard.  if you release the report first, people start their own narratives and dissecting it and pulling out details that are not necessarily appropriate to the issue at hand. For example, by release the report you will could have the narrative that "Urban tried to erase his text messages" or "Zach Smith dropped out of rehab after 4 days and returned to the team" While those are details in the case, they should not overshadow the main narrative of "I'm Sorry" or "I messed up" if that is the detail you wish to lead on.

 

You don't want to have to address 40 other issues that are not central to the main theme, which is I'M Sorry. It is called managing the situation. It is not PR Spin, but it is how you manage a situation where you have the potential to have 1000 different stories from each individual reporter. You keep it under the bigger umbrella.

I haven't been keeping up with this story very much, because I'm only a casual fan of OSU, and don't really care about this stuff, but I don't understand why there's an expectation that someone's boss would get involved in domestic affairs of one of his underlings. I have no idea what goes on in the home life of my coworkers, and I don't really care because it's not my business. It sounds like Smith was a bit of a dick (surprise, surprise a football guy is a dick...) and had a volatile relationship with his wife. Unless abuse was happening at OSU facilities, or there were criminal charges pressed against Smith and the university tried to cover it up, I don't understand what the big issue is. Getting the 'life coach' to talk to the wife about not pressing charges is kind of messed up, but I could definitely see a situation where people knew Smith and his wife had a volatile relationship (not knowing the full extent of whether abuse was occurring or not) and they sent the life coach to try to smooth some of the marital problems out.

 

As for NCAA having it out for OSU? Maybe a bit, given the absurdity of the tattoo scandal. But they damn near killed USC's program for a rich booster buying stuff for Reggie Bush's family. Penn State had coaches raping kids in the locker rooms, and comparatively got a slap on the wrist. UNC was found to be totally fraudulent with their student athletes, and nothing happened. Louisville was hiring strippers and prostitutes for players and nothing really happened to them, either. The NCAA is a complete joke.

^ BelieveLand[/member] Time to step back away from the cliff here, or away from the Mt. Dew and assess why that is important to frame it first.

 

You can say "We screwed up"  or "we were 100% wrong" if that is the narrative you want to have people focus on. That is perfectly fine. But you want to make sure your narrative is the first thing heard.  if you release the report first, people start their own narratives and dissecting it and pulling out details that are not necessarily appropriate to the issue at hand. For example, by release the report you will could have the narrative that "Urban tried to erase his text messages" or "Zach Smith dropped out of rehab after 4 days and returned to the team" While those are details in the case, they should not overshadow the main narrative of "I'm Sorry" or "I messed up" if that is the detail you wish to lead on.

 

You don't want to have to address 40 other issues that are not central to the main theme, which is I'M Sorry. It is called managing the situation. It is not PR Spin, but it is how you manage a situation where you have the potential to have 1000 different stories from each individual reporter. You keep it under the bigger umbrella.

 

That's cute that you think the theme of the presser was "I'm sorry" / "I messed up."  The rest of us live in reality where that didn't happen.

^ The NCAA is a complete irrelevant issue to the Urban Meyer thing. In 2010 the NCAA was a lot more powerful anyway and also, this does not even touch on an NCAA matter (no student was involved, no NCAA rule broken, did not happen on campus, etc. etc. etc.)

 

This is a big story because you have a carpetbagging media who comes to town, creates a story to fit into a national narrative and then runs with it. They don't care about the ramifications and who they hurt by it. They leave victims in their wake and hurt people and families by it. Then when the story is over and run its course, they move on to the next big thing.  They used Courtney Smith in this situation and now that this is over, they left her in a much worse place then where she was before they came in at the beginning. It is a shame

^ BelieveLand[/member] Time to step back away from the cliff here, or away from the Mt. Dew and assess why that is important to frame it first.

 

You can say "We screwed up"  or "we were 100% wrong" if that is the narrative you want to have people focus on. That is perfectly fine. But you want to make sure your narrative is the first thing heard.  if you release the report first, people start their own narratives and dissecting it and pulling out details that are not necessarily appropriate to the issue at hand. For example, by release the report you will could have the narrative that "Urban tried to erase his text messages" or "Zach Smith dropped out of rehab after 4 days and returned to the team" While those are details in the case, they should not overshadow the main narrative of "I'm Sorry" or "I messed up" if that is the detail you wish to lead on.

 

You don't want to have to address 40 other issues that are not central to the main theme, which is I'M Sorry. It is called managing the situation. It is not PR Spin, but it is how you manage a situation where you have the potential to have 1000 different stories from each individual reporter. You keep it under the bigger umbrella.

 

That's cute that you think the theme of the presser was "I'm sorry" / "I messed up."  The rest of us live in reality where that didn't happen.

 

That is cute that you don't read the post close enough to get the point.

 

I never said that was the theme of the presser. I was giving a reason why you want to control the narrative first before releasing the report to the general public. But go ahead and keep creating your false narratives.