As a Cincinnatian and a pretty progressive person...i'd say that Cleveland is a liberal utopia.

 

But, that's my bitter and jaded view from the south.

 

I was covering Cleveland City Hall for Sun Newspapers when the city's domestic registry came up for a vote. And I was horrified when the registry was opposed by black council members because they viewed homosexuality as a sin. On that score, how are they any different from the religious right? People do not choose their sexual orientation anymore than they do their skin color. Did the black councilmembers forget what it's like to be discriminated against because of ignorance?

 

Sorry, but Cleveland is only selectively liberal.

^But it did pass and not many other Cities can claim to have one.  However, Cimperman told me that if the vote had waited any longer, it could have been defeated.  The pressure from the black community was unbelievable. 

 

The black clergy is a big part of the religious right, BTW... especially when it comes to the sexual orientation issues of the day.  That's why Beck was able to attract so many speakers from the group to his "Restoring Honor" rally.

 

^^True on Libertarians.  In fact, the philosophy (not necessarily the way it is applied by many who claim to adhere to it) is more 'liberal' than common Democratic party philosophy.

Post rescinded.  I thought KJP was referring to the Cleveland Hts. registry rather than the City of Cleveland one.

 

This is from Crains....

 

"Wall Street Journal's best-seller lists include separate charts with sales in various metro areas, and this week's focus is on Cleveland and Cincinnati.Both cities have the same top two books: “Decision Points” by former President George W. Bush and “Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Ugly Truth” by current President Barack Obama. (Joking: That one's by Jeff Kinney.)There's a lot of overlap, but one thing is clear: Our neighbors to the south certainly have more conservative tastes in political books.

In Cincinnati, Sarah Palin's “America by Heart: Reflections on Family, Faith, and Flag,” and Glenn Beck's “Broke” are at No. 4 and No. 6, respectively, though neither makes the top 10 in Cleveland. By contrast, “Daily Show” host Jon Stewart's “Earth (The Book)” is No. 8 in Cleveland, but it's not on the Cincinnati list." 

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20101217/BLOGS03/101219845

^Interesting...that provides some sort of metric or data to look at. One thing I've noticed about Cincinnati is that most people I know who are "conservative" or vote republican are actually pretty socially liberal.  My friend, for example, claims to like Palin, Fox News, etc, but she is a huge proponent of gay rights, indifferent about abortion, believes marijuana should be legalized, anti war, for the mosque near ground zero, etc.  I think a lot of people are just born with this notion that they have to vote republican/be conservative, but when it comes to values that they actually create themselves, they choose a much more moderate position. 

I think a lot of people are just born with this notion that they have to vote republican/be conservative, but when it comes to values that they actually create themselves, they choose a much more moderate position. 

Or maybe it’s an epiphany. But barring divine intervention, thank goodness there are liberals to enlighten the benighted, unthinking masses that there is a better way!

Wait a minute, I know more than a few knee-jerk responding unthinking liberals!

 

If you know a good mix of people with diverse backgrounds and life experience, you see that often times, some pretty bright people can disagree, and be on two sides of an issue.

 

Then again, if we aren't defining liberal and conservative the same...then who knows what we're even talking about.

 

I think a lot of people are just born with this notion that they have to vote republican/be conservative, but when it comes to values that they actually create themselves, they choose a much more moderate position.

Or maybe its an epiphany. But barring divine intervention, thank goodness there are liberals to enlighten the benighted, unthinking masses that there is a better way!

There always is.  Nothing wrong with society continually evolving to better itself.

Wait a minute, I know more than a few knee-jerk responding unthinking liberals!

ya think? Not here though. I won't hear of it!

I think a lot of people are just born with this notion that they have to vote republican/be conservative, the same as their parents but when it comes to values that they actually create themselves, they choose a much more moderate position   whatever floats their boat.

Adjusted that for you. People move in both directions when they realize their parents weren't all knowing and they learn how to come to their own conclusions.

Ha! Generally speaking, people who agree with you are geniuses, and people who don't are complete morons.

 

:-)

 

Wait a minute, I know more than a few knee-jerk responding unthinking liberals!

ya think? Not here though. I won't hear of it!

lets keep this on topic UOers

 

I think a lot of people are just born with this notion that they have to vote republican/be conservative, the same as their parents but when it comes to values that they actually create themselves, they choose a much more moderate position   whatever floats their boat.

Adjusted that for you. People move in both directions when they realize their parents weren't all knowing and they learn how to come to their own conclusions.

 

Thanks, but that's not what I meant. I was specifically talking about the conservatism of Cincinnati, and how its a very republican area, but younger generations are not as socially conservative.