2 hours ago, drtom1234 said:

I've heard a rumor of a new arts facility for the Columbus symphony for that piece of land, but not clear to me how much fire is behind that smoke.

My attention is brought to the CAPA music hall coming to Third Street. Would this be for the Symphony?

 

Just now, DTCL11 said:

Also. These triangle posts should probably be on the peninsula thread? 

I was thinking that since the first post today as I was looking for a Johnstown thread and happened to see the Scioto Peninsula thread that hasn't been posted in in ages. 

33 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

Rise Brands moving downtown Pins to new Peninsula hotel project

 

Rockbridge's next new place to stay will give visitors plenty of room to play.

 

The Columbus-based firm will add a 120-room independent hotel at the second phase of The Peninsula that will include a new Pins Mechanical Co. The venue will occupy a 40,000-square-feet across the building's first two floors.

 

Troy Allen, founder and CEO of Pins operator Rise Brands, said the downtown Pins and 16-Bit Bar + Arcade locations, the original sites for both of those brands, will close when the new space opens in 2025.

 

"Our brand has evolved in the 10 years since we first opened," Allen said. "We've been making these great, grand entertainment venues and we felt it was time to come back to downtown Columbus."

 

Rise Brands isn't abandoning the Pins site downtown. Allen said the company will open a new concept in that building, but isn't yet ready to share details. It could also reuse the 16-Bit space, but haven't decided yet.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/08/24/pins-mechancial-moving-from-downtown-peninsula.html

 

 

I think they really like having the Pins/16-Bit combo locations since people aren't always in the mood for video games (ask me how I know) but they can stroll on over to the Pins side and find something they like. Or groups can split up and try both kinds.

33 minutes ago, aderwent said:

My attention is brought to the CAPA music hall coming to Third Street. Would this be for the Symphony?

I doubt it, that space isn’t going to be very big and will most likely be for smaller local plays and probably touring concerts. 

1 hour ago, DevolsDance said:

 

Agreed, the height is fine... The architecture isn't it. I also dont love that the office building is shown as a literal copy/paste of the one just built. I hope that is just a placeholder because while the tower needs a lot of work I really do not want to see Daimler phone it in and just duplicate their design to save $$$.

From the renderings and wording in the article, it also sounds like the 20+ story won’t have retail on the first floor? That seems incredibly dumb. 

3 hours ago, drtom1234 said:

I've heard a rumor of a new arts facility for the Columbus symphony for that piece of land, but not clear to me how much fire is behind that smoke.

;)

1 hour ago, DevolsDance said:

 

Agreed, the height is fine... The architecture isn't it. I also dont love that the office building is shown as a literal copy/paste of the one just built. I hope that is just a placeholder because while the tower needs a lot of work I really do not want to see Daimler phone it in and just duplicate their design to save $$$.

I believe its the one already built.

1 hour ago, VintageLife said:

I doubt it, that space isn’t going to be very big and will most likely be for smaller local plays and probably touring concerts. 

The triangle is going to be a much larger, and what I believe to be, a multi-purpose venue that they will be calling home.

 

Is the timeline comparative to the new phase of peninsula? 2025ish?

Phase 2 of Scioto Peninsula Development Now Features Shorter Tower, More Buildings

 

A group of Downtown development stakeholders unveiled a revised plan for the second phase of the ongoing Peninsula project, which features some major updates and new details. Most prominently, the 34-story tower proposal that was unveiled in the fall of 2021 has seen a slight height reduction to 20 stories.

 

The height reduction will reduce the number of planned apartment units from 400 to 300, parking garage spaces from 950 to 400, and office space allocation from 245,000 square feet to 150,000 square feet.

 

New additions to the second phase of development now include a second hotel to complement the newly-completed Junto next door, a 40,000 square foot Pins Mechanical Co., and a signature grocery store (the operator of the store will be announced at a later date).

 

More below:

https://columbusunderground.com/phase-2-of-scioto-peninsula-development-now-features-shorter-tower-more-buildings-we1/

 

 

 

I don’t like how the building at Belle & Broad looks nearly identical to the one that it’s next to minus the color of the brick. This area should be architecturally diverse. The tower and the pins building look fine (from most angles). 

4 hours ago, NightNectar said:

Love it! Wish the office building wasn't essentially a twin of the original with added balcony space. 

 

Looking forward to seeing final designs and hearing which grocer was selected. Going to guess its a Market District similar to what is in Bexley.

Wouldn’t that be too close to the one in Grandview?

It might be a little Market District Express format like Bexley instead of the large format one as seen in Grandview.

No one has mentioned Trader Joe's yet?! Slackin' off, folks. ;-)

7 minutes ago, GCrites said:

It might be a little Market District Express format like Bexley instead of the large format one as seen in Grandview.

Oh true true. Hoping for Trader Joe’s or Whole Foods.

I'm usually very skeptical about a TJ anywhere downtown based on their high income standards but they have exceptions. And of any projects we've seen, this could be that exception with the amount of momentum Peninsula and Franklinton have. Still not putting money on it but if it was going to be somewhere, I think this would be it. 

5 hours ago, VintageLife said:

From the renderings and wording in the article, it also sounds like the 20+ story won’t have retail on the first floor? That seems incredibly dumb. 

From the rendering, it looks like the grocery store will span the entirety of the first floor that isn’t parking. 

30 minutes ago, amped91 said:

From the rendering, it looks like the grocery store will span the entirety of the first floor that isn’t parking. 

God I hope so, also that would mean it will be a pretty big one. 

I really don't get the size reduction, especially in terms of the reduced residential. It's not necessarily about the height, but surely there is still more than enough demand to make the financials work for the original number of units- or more. These obviously aren't going to be affordable, so are they really saying they couldn't make money with more?

If the grocer ends up being announced as TJ’s, watch how quickly the folks at Parks Edge Condos will have that pedestrian bridge built from North Bank to Vets Memorial ;) 

The height doesn't bother me, Biz1st and dispatch articles make it clear the tower will be 24 stories total. I also like the look of this design better than the initial phase 2 renderings

 

Total phase 2 residential will be ~400 units total with 20% having some level of affordability built-in between the two residential buildings

 

Dispatch also quotes Daimler saying that the grocer is someone who already has a local presence. While I would love to see a TJs I think an MDX, WF or an urban format Meijer like ones in Detroit or Cleveland is more likely 

 

Edited August 25, 20231 yr by NW24HX

8 minutes ago, NW24HX said:

The height doesn't bother me, Biz1st and dispatch articles make it clear the tower will be 24 stories total. I also like the look of this design better than the initial phase 2 renderings

 

Total phase 2 residential will be ~400 units total with 20% having some level of affordability built-in between the two residential buildings

 

Dispatch also quotes Daimler saying that the grocer is someone who already has a local presence. While I would love to see a TJs I think an MDX, WF or an urban format Meijer like ones in Detroit or Cleveland is more likely 

 

I don’t understand the hype with TJs so I would rather it be a meijer. It seems like a good fit for them and with them only having 1 within the 270 loop, seems like they would benefit the most from it. If the grocer extends between the two buildings, it would have to be a buffer grocer in my head. That space seems huge for a Trader Joes

3 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

I really don't get the size reduction, especially in terms of the reduced residential. It's not necessarily about the height, but surely there is still more than enough demand to make the financials work for the original number of units- or more. These obviously aren't going to be affordable, so are they really saying they couldn't make money with more?

 

It's not really a reduction In my mind. Previous conceptuals were aspirational and we knew that. And we see how hard it still is to make the Financials work for Merchant building and they have mutiple investors, state tax benefits, local tax benefits, and direct funding so I'd say 24 stories seems plenty satisfactory if it means it's likely to be built more quickly and with less chances of being delayed or canceled for Financials. I think it also opens the greater chances of another decent tower or two down the road instead of concentrated into a single tower. 

I'm team Urban Meijer (heh). The ones in Lansing and Grand Rapids are great.

26 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

I'm team Urban Meijer (heh). The ones in Lansing and Grand Rapids are great.

Been to Meijer’s Bridge Street Market in GR and can confirm that it’s great. Hope you’re right.

My first thought for the grocery store is Lucky's, but then again they are opening a store in Harrison West/VV.

 

Maybe and Aldi's (been on an expansion kick recently) or GE Market District (like Bexley)? I'm doubtful Kroger has much interest. And then the usual wish for trader joes, but I'm doubtful that's a possibility. 

 

Looking at the site map, lots more room for future tower(s). I'd prefer two 20+ story towers vs a single 30+ story tower, we need to fill in the holes in our skyline.

 

Interesting to think that 15 years ago the urban projects were maybe 3-4 stories (LC), then 5-7 (all over the place), seeing 10+ being built now, along with a couple 20+ built/proposed - heck of an improvement!

Add a floor of parking or something, push the tower up another 6 floors and I am good with it.  They really would be shortsighted to lowball the tower. It needs to send a message that is as strong as possible about height along with density.

 

Now lets get it going!  

Edited August 25, 20231 yr by Toddguy

22 hours ago, columbus17 said:

The triangle is going to be a much larger, and what I believe to be, a multi-purpose venue that they will be calling home.

?????   is this based on hope, insider info, nebulous plans...what?  Not fair lol

 

 

8 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Add a floor of parking or something, push the tower up another 6 floors and I am good with it.  They really would be shortsighted to lowball the tower. It needs to send a message that is as strong as possible about height along with density.

 

Now lets get it going!  

Eh idk, I agree with @futureman that I would rather have a couple of towers over 20+ than just one 30+ I don’t think this takes away from showing that the area isn’t focusing on density. They have actually for a pretty good job of that. 

1 minute ago, VintageLife said:

Eh idk, I agree with @futureman that I would rather have a couple of towers over 20+ than just one 30+ I don’t think this takes away from showing that the area isn’t focusing on density. They have actually for a pretty good job of that. 

It is only six floors but it is enough to make a difference IMO. And yes to any additional tower. Two twenty plus could be a 30 floor and an 18-20 floor. Once it is built it is done and no do-overs and I think they need to make a statement. Other than that I am all for it. 

I am thinking it has to have the height and visual impact of at least Miranova(but not that south side!) to clearly be the anchor that shows this is the west side of downtown, not another district outside of it. JMHO. Overall very happy to see movement like this!

 

*like everyone else, wondering...

 

...what will the grocery be?

...what is coming for THE TRIANGLE AT SCIOTO PENINSULA?  Another triangle to speculate about. *I love the large impressive multi-use event space concept. I love it too much lol. 

19 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Add a floor of parking or something, push the tower up another 6 floors and I am good with it.  They really would be shortsighted to lowball the tower. It needs to send a message that is as strong as possible about height along with density.

 

Now lets get it going!  

 

Jman? That you? 

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a viable 24 story tower, what would be the 3rd tallest building built downtown in at least 10 years if not 20 is a pretty strong message. Again, be careful what you wish for because viability is a much stronger message than aspiration. We know they *wanted* to go bigger but are giving us what they know they can build. It's better to have steel in the sky than another millenial blunder. Lets not slow down the rest of development to spend 6 years getting financing. There is no miss here. Its only seen that way becUse they happened to put out conceptual plans. If we never saw those, we would be drooling over 24 stories. If anything, I think the case is stronger for building the ancillary buildings a few more floors. 

Edited August 25, 20231 yr by DTCL11

6 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

 

Jman? That you? 

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a viable 24 story tower, what would be the 3rd tallest building built downtown in at least 10 years if not 20 is a pretty strong message. Again, be careful what you wish for because viability is a much stronger message than aspiration.  It's better to have steel in the sky than another millenial blunder. If anything, I think the case is stronger for building the ancillary buildings a few more floors. 

I should hunt you down for that blasphemous, slanderous, outrageous musing! 

 

I agree it is a fine line. Just enough to hit 100 meters(for me)would be ideal. And I realize it is a fine line so I would like it to happen- if they can make it happen. And  it is only 6 floors or maybe 100 meters total to the tallest section-not too radical. Not like I am calling for the 1,000 foot thing that would have an UO penthouse or anything. I am overall very pleased with the plan. 

 

 

 

Jman???? the scandalous nature of that question will never be forgotten!/s

Edited August 25, 20231 yr by Toddguy

4 hours ago, Toddguy said:

?????   is this based on hope, insider info, nebulous plans...what?  Not fair lol

 

 

;)

This tease...

1 hour ago, columbus17 said:

;)

 

I just want to know timeline for public information. Blink once for soon. Blink twice for 6 months. Cough inconspicuously for maybe never 

4 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

 

I just want to know timeline for public information. Blink once for soon. Blink twice for 6 months. Cough inconspicuously for maybe never 

Definitely one of the first two.

I can hardly believe there has been no more back and forth, speculation, etc. about the latest info dropped. It has like it has been completely forgotten.

 

Then again it has been kind of dead 'round here lately...

When's the next round of TMUD credits set to be announced? 

 

If it needs to win that to happen there's not much to really discuss in the meantime, barring any new details being released

 

Edited September 6, 20231 yr by NW24HX

23 hours ago, NW24HX said:

When's the next round of TMUD credits set to be announced? 

 

If it needs to win that to happen there's not much to really discuss in the meantime, barring any new details being released

 

That is a good point...forgot about TMUD.

Actually I have changed my mind about the tower. I did not realize just how much space is left for future development. All of the area north of Broad, and the areas on both sides of Town are in play. There is room for another tower or two on those areas and that would be enough to define the area visually.  The map at CU puts in into perspective. I had in my mind for some damn reason that this stage would take up more room than it does.

 

*I also don't hate the tower rendering-kind of looks like a Miranova hybrid  with a another building jammed into it. Let's see what we end up getting.

11 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Actually I have changed my mind about the tower. I did not realize just how much space is left for future development. All of the area north of Broad, and the areas on both sides of Town are in play. There is room for another tower or two on those areas and that would be enough to define the area visually.  The map at CU puts in into perspective. I had in my mind for some damn reason that this stage would take up more room than it does.

 

*I also don't hate the tower rendering-kind of looks like a Miranova hybrid  with a another building jammed into it. Let's see what we end up getting.

Tower needs redone there isn't any direction with it. But they're very early in the process - these renderings are extremely conceptual and should change. 

49 minutes ago, columbus17 said:

Tower needs redone there isn't any direction with it. But they're very early in the process - these renderings are extremely conceptual and should change. 

The tower should be impactful, but at least we're getting something built. This area has been a parking lot for 75+ years, it's exciting we're getting something done. The entire area of Franklinton from 315 to the Scioto River will be drastically different in 10 years. 

 

If rail was ever going to come to Columbus this area should be the main focus point. We can very easily build a fantastic transportation hub on the north parking lot of Spaghetti Warehouse that could easily service heavy rail with the several rail lines running North/South, a light rail / streetcar to run East/West on Broad St and of course options for bus transit and biking infrastructure. 

Edited September 13, 20231 yr by KyleofColumbus

2 minutes ago, KyleofColumbus said:

The tower should be impactful, but at least we're getting something built. This area has been a parking lot for 75+ years, it's exciting we're getting something done. The entire area of Franklinton from 315 to the Scioto River will be drastically different in 10 years. 

 

If rail was ever going to come to Columbus this area should be the main focus point. We can very easily build a fantastic transportation hub on the north parking lot of Spaghetti Warehouse that could easily service heavy rail with the several rail lines running North/South, a light rail / streetcar to run East/West on Broad St and of course options for bus transit and biking infrastructure. 

Main not broad

New details and renderings of Residential Building 3 in this month’s DTC meeting. There’s no mention of the other three buildings; hopefully, that’s still forthcoming. 
 

 

16 minutes ago, amped91 said:

New details and renderings of Residential Building 3 in this month’s DTC meeting. There’s no mention of the other three buildings; hopefully, that’s still forthcoming. 
 

 

meh.

3 minutes ago, PizzaScissors said:

meh.

Agree, I wish they would do some different styles here. I love the density and they are doing a good job with sidewalk presence, but the buildings are all so damn boring. 

3 hours ago, VintageLife said:

Agree, I wish they would do some different styles here. I love the density and they are doing a good job with sidewalk presence, but the buildings are all so damn boring. 

Building is definitely a "safe design" nothing extraordinary but I'm still interested in seeing this area with the new 24+ story tower and the new Pins Mechanical. Franklinton/Scioto Peninsula is definitely going to be the leading brewery/arts district in Columbus. 

Just now, KyleofColumbus said:

Building is definitely a "safe design" nothing extraordinary but I'm still interested in seeing this area with the new 24+ story tower and the new Pins Mechanical. Franklinton/Scioto Peninsula is definitely going to be the leading brewery/arts district in Columbus. 

Also, while we're at it, why don't we have a nice commuter rail at the old Station 67 connected to the elevated train tracks. We can have a nice elevated / designated line that can connect to the convention center / airport / OSU / German Village / West Broad. Throw in a nice bus terminal on the old parking lot of Spaghetti Warehouse on the other side of Station 67 and protect the bike lanes on Broad St. 

I like it? Shoot. People probably think I'm safe and boring now.

4 minutes ago, PrestoKinetic said:

I like it? Shoot. People probably think I'm safe and boring now.

It's not terrible - just needs color and a plant wall.

It's really kind of cool to think that 8-10 years ago we would all be drooling over this.

 

Highlights the frequency and quality of projects happening has really set new bars that a fairly clean 7 story building is now just a background project really. Thats awesome! It is very simple and that's okay, not everything needs to be a work of art. Throw some murals and a good mix of commercial and it'll be a win. Hoping for a continued mix as this all develops.