July 18, 20177 yr This looks great. This is a spot that has been begging for a proper urban neighborhood. Columbus's riverfront is turning into a premier area in the state.
July 18, 20177 yr It really should have been one a long time ago. Granted it's not a navigable river and the floodwall didn't go up until the Year 2000, but I don't think this exact area had flooding issues or else Central High wouldn't have been there.
July 18, 20177 yr Well, now build it :). "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 18, 20177 yr Meh, I'm not all that impressed. They seem to have only just matched the bare minimum of what the city asked for. They have the few requested towers, but the majority of the development is all exactly the same height and boxy shape. It's basically the Arena District or Easton with a few towers. We've seen that already, let's see something different for Franklinton. I'd like to see much more variation in style and height. Not everything needs to be glass and/or brick, and not everything should be 5-6 stories. It's boring stuff, and looks like a planned neighborhood rather than having any organic feel. The peninsula is a blank slate. Going back to the same development styles again and again and again in Columbus has been stale for a while now. Think outside the box- literally.
July 18, 20177 yr Aaannnddd... It appears the winner is Crawford Hoying! https://www.goscioto.com/ Clicked on the link and it says website expired. “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
July 18, 20177 yr Aaannnddd... It appears the winner is Crawford Hoying! https://www.goscioto.com/ Clicked on the link and it says website expired. That's odd. It was working last night. I wonder if they jumped the gun on making this website public, because there hasn't been any local announcements about this.
July 18, 20177 yr Hmm. That is weird. I just came across the site yesterday but according to its google listing, it had been online for at least a couple weeks. I was surprised to see it because there hadn't been any announcements, but it was a totally public site, and even had forms to fill out for updates/leasing inquiries. Because of that and how detailed the renderings and video were I assumed it was the winning bid.
July 18, 20177 yr According to a poster in this reddit thread: "crawford hoying lost the bid on the peninsula project... they made this website/video for their bid, but did not end up getting the contract."
July 19, 20177 yr I think the person who posted on Reddit that Crawford Hoying lost the bid is probably correct given that the website has been taken down. I'm guessing the website was part of their pitch and once they found out they weren't awarded the project they took it down. I'm hoping this means that they have chosen a developer and we will get an announcement within the next couple days.
July 19, 20177 yr I'm happy they didn't get the bid. I'm hoping the city selected something far more interesting architecturally.
July 19, 20177 yr I'm happy they didn't get the bid. I'm hoping the city selected something far more interesting architecturally. I definitely wouldn't have been mad if this was the selected proposal, but the fact that it was (according to someone on reddit) passed over for a seemingly better proposal is very exciting. I can't wait to get the official announcement.
July 19, 20177 yr Well, if that wasn't the winner, then I have high hopes that I'll love the actual announcement even more. Here's hoping we hear about it soon; I had thought the announcement was due by the end of the July.
July 19, 20177 yr Disappointing, because while I think it certainly could have been more exciting, I quite liked everything I saw of the Crawford Hoying proposal. If indeed they weren't chosen, I really hope the winner is Daimler/Kaufman/Georgetown. I can't imagine the other two finalists (Carter and Indy's Buckingham Companies) as having proposed anything better than what CH did.
July 19, 20177 yr Disappointing, because while I think it certainly could have been more exciting, I quite liked everything I saw of the Crawford Hoying proposal. If indeed they weren't chosen, I really hope the winner is Daimler/Kaufman/Georgetown. I can't imagine the other two finalists (Carter and Indy's Buckingham Companies) as having proposed anything better than what CH did. It's probably Georgetown. CDDC has a limited number of developers and design firms they work with and rarely deviate from that list. Georgetown has been CDDC's owner's rep for past projects. I imagine Daimler/Kaufman are still in Guy Worley's good graces. I'm hoping the team brings in new architects to spice things up.
July 19, 20177 yr Disappointing, because while I think it certainly could have been more exciting, I quite liked everything I saw of the Crawford Hoying proposal. If indeed they weren't chosen, I really hope the winner is Daimler/Kaufman/Georgetown. I can't imagine the other two finalists (Carter and Indy's Buckingham Companies) as having proposed anything better than what CH did. I'm also hoping for DKG. Carter is forever on my hate list and I like the 3-way partnership. I think that just brings more possibilities in terms of scope and design.
July 26, 20177 yr Update from CU: http://www.columbusunderground.com/list-of-finalists-narrowed-for-scioto-peninsula-project-bw1 "The Columbus Downtown Development Corporation (CDDC) will not officially announce which team of developers is selected to build the 21-acre Scioto Peninsula redevelopment project until September. But CU submitted a public records request for the proposals submitted by the four finalists, which were announced by the CDDC in April. What came back were redacted proposal from three teams:" - Georgetown Company (headquartered in New York, NY), the Daimler Group and Kaufman Development - Buckingham Companies (headquartered in Indianapolis, IN) - Crawford Hoying and SunCal (headquartered in Irvine, CA) "Amy Taylor of the CDDC said that those “were the three proposals we received,” meaning that one of the four finalists — the team led by Atlanta-based Carter, along with the Robert Weiler Company, Kelley Companies and Casto — is already out of the running." "Columbus Underground has also confirmed that Crawford Hoying was told by the CDDC at least three weeks ago that they are no longer being considered for the project. That leaves two teams still standing: the Indy-based Buckingham and the Georgetown/Daimler/Kaufman group."
July 26, 20177 yr ^ The CU article also included this rendering labeled "Concept rendering via the Georgetown/Daimler/Kaufman group". It looks similar to the whole peninsula rendering from the defunct Crawford Hoying website:
July 26, 20177 yr ^ The CU article also included this rendering labeled "Concept rendering via the Georgetown/Daimler/Kaufman group". It looks similar to the whole peninsula rendering from the defunct Crawford Hoying website: I like the rendering, but in the article they mention 1500 residences, on the lower end of the 1500-1800 suggested, and have cut retail from a recommended 180,000 sq ft to just 82,000, while upping office space from 800,000 to 1.2 million sq feet. I'm not sure I'm a fan of those changes.
September 16, 20177 yr Construction photo posted Sept. 4, 2017 of the National Veterans Memorial & Museum near COSI along W. Broad Street by http://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-franklinton-summer-2017. Windows are now being installed within the completed exterior concrete framwork:
November 27, 20177 yr Photos: Scioto Peninsula Park and Garage The Scioto Peninsula just got a bit greener (or at least it will next spring once the leaves return). The construction barricades are gone from the new Scioto Peninsula Park adjacent to COSI, and visitors have begun enjoying the area despite it not quite being 100% completed. The 6.5-acre park replaces a former surface parking lot, which has been shifted into a new 600-space parking garage located on two levels underground. More below: http://www.columbusunderground.com/photos-scioto-peninsula-park-and-garage "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
November 27, 20177 yr ^ It's great to see this project done. And it seemed like that COSI/Scioto Peninsula Park and Garage project got done fast! I know it's comparing two very different type projects, but this garage/park just flew by the nearby Veterans Memorial & Museum project. The museum project got started about a year before the garage/park project began. The garage/park project required digging away space for two levels of underground parking. And now the garage/park is open, while the museum won't be open until next year! I know the concrete work for the museum is much more complicated than for the underground garage. But still, that underground garage and the above-ground park work went by quickly.
December 6, 20177 yr Ugh. IMO the worst proposal of the three. Not going to hide my disappointment on this one, what a damn shame
December 6, 20177 yr I think it looks good, but I might be missing something. Sometimes people want more height, but Downtown is so large and open that 5-10 stories is often appropriate.
December 6, 20177 yr Indianapolis developer selected for $500M Scioto Peninsula project An Indianapolis company has been selected to lead a half-billion dollar redevelopment effort on the Scioto Peninsula, a colossal project that could transform downtown. Buckingham Cos. was chosen to lead the $500 million project to create a mixed-use community west of COSI in Franklinton that would include 1,700 residential units and significant commercial space. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2017/12/05/indianapolis-developer-selected-for-500m-scioto.html http://www.columbusunderground.com/buckingham-companies-scioto-peninsula "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 6, 20177 yr Kind of disappointing that the 30-story buildings are going up, at least not right away, but I still think this is going to be a great project for the downtown area. If this phase of development is successful, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a couple 20+ story buildings go up a couple more years down the road.
December 6, 20177 yr You can build a tremendous amount of density with 5-7 story buildings. Even 3 story buildings can create a exceptionally walkable neighborhood. And it's also possible to have massive skyscrapers with a built environment that is nevertheless unforgivably autocentric (internationally, UAE is a terrible offender on this). I get that, given the renderings and the CDDC comments about how it's still essential to spend $60k per unit to add two parking spaces apiece, this is still going to be fairly autocentric and nothing like some European cities. But it certainly doesn't strike me as justifying such a negative reaction. Honestly, I actually thought the ground on the Scioto Peninsula was such that it wouldn't support true high-rises anyway. Maybe I was wrong about that if such buildings at least made it into the discussion--they weren't off the table from the start. Still, this looks like a very respectable addition to a near-downtown neighborhood. It's also "only" 29 acres; there will be plenty of additional opportunities for building bigger if this takes off. (High rises in the Arena District like the North Bank Park condo tower didn't go up until later phases of the Arena District, either.)
December 6, 20177 yr ^ Completely agree. I think people will be pleasantly surprised once this is built out. I think this will also bring about some taller developments, assuming it's a success.
December 6, 20177 yr Over 2,500 New Residents Will Call the Scioto Peninsula Home in 2028 If built out exactly as planned, the empty chunk of land that surrounds COSI is about to get a whole lot more populated over the course of the next 10 years. Currently home to zero humans and a handful of migrating Canada geese, the Scioto Peninsula is slated to see it’s population jump to approximately 2,550 people in the 1,700 residential units that Indianapolis-based developer Buckingham Companies will build on the site. More below: http://www.columbusunderground.com/over-2500-new-residents-will-call-the-scioto-peninsula-home-in-2028 "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 7, 20177 yr ^ Completely agree. I think people will be pleasantly surprised once this is built out. I think this will also bring about some taller developments, assuming it's a success. With any project this size it's a worry that it will end up having an inorganic look and feel, like it's more like a corporate campus. It will be interesting to see how this develops.
December 7, 20177 yr When things are done via a uniform overarching plan, yes. Of course, a lot of more architecturally diverse neighborhoods became that way because of a lack of central planning or aesthetic restrictions, coupled with people simply building whatever they wanted on their own property.
December 8, 20177 yr Different developers with different architects in different eras will make an area look less corporate. Large developments that try to look organic just look disneyesque. High St. through the Short North feels very organic to me.
December 8, 20177 yr When things are done via a uniform overarching plan, yes. Of course, a lot of more architecturally diverse neighborhoods became that way because of a lack of central planning or aesthetic restrictions, coupled with people simply building whatever they wanted on their own property. It's true. But much of that was done before the "wrong ways" were invented in the 20th century.
December 10, 20177 yr IMO if they keep this curved-facade building (picture 1) with the sculptural pieces in front, and build around that, I think it has potential to be a nice centerpiece. I personally think that they need to do something that I see a lot more of "organically" in some medium-sized cities Europe, and that is the presence of longer stretches of more major attractions separated but with connecting alleys or promenades which are pedestrian-only, that are home to very small shops, restaurants, cafes. In this case, with the curved-facade building in the front, I think that to the sides and towards the back ought to be the focus for more attractions, like bars and more high-end shops, and there should be pedestrian-friendly (even pedestrian-exclusive) access to those areas from the main park/sculptural area. In picture 2, for instance, instead of having that open staircase building in the front and right, maybe have it towards the back more, and build a little plaza with a fountain in the middle. Then leave the first floor of the areas lining those walkways open for small businesses and such. In such a way, you encourage walking, develop a more neighborhood feel, and I think make it seem nicer. But that's just my opinion. I really much prefer the quaint walkability of Vieille Ville in Nice, or the Walkplatz in Trier, or Montmartre in France to the high-rise absurdity of Manhattan or Brickell.
December 10, 20177 yr It's too bad that it got scaled down a bit height wise, but if they actually build 1700 housing units, 800,000 square feet of office and 150,000 square feet of retail, it should still be a success. The northern part looks pretty dense actually. I would rather have the Millennial Tower and Market Tower go up than the two condo towers that were proposed here. Now there is just the part about getting that 'Cultural Attraction' for that wedge shaped piece south of COSI.... I wonder what could actually go there?
December 18, 20177 yr Will be interesting watching this view build up over the years. At top left you can see River and Rich topped out. Obviously the National Veterans Memorial and Museum in the foreground and Gravity behind that across the tracks. Both of those said "opening summer 2018".
December 20, 20177 yr My biggest problem with Buckingham getting the nod for this isn't actually the height (which is nevertheless disappointing), but rather I just don't trust them to deliver the high quality architecture and design this site deserves. Nothing in their portfolio as far as I can see is up to par, and their two biggest projects should have been huge red flags IMO. City Way in Indy is cheaply built, bland 5-story stick builds with materials and detailing worse than any of our recent mixed-use boxes along High St - even HighPoint, and their Aertson Midtown in Nashville is a jumbled-up hodge podge EIFS nightmare. Beyond that, I just don't see anything aspirational in this plan, which is compounding my concerns about the quality of what we seem set to be getting. This is the best site in the city, and deserves a lot better than inferior imitations of things we already have in spades. Sure, anything is better than what's there now - but that shouldn't be where the bar is set. The Banks in Cincy went through a similar let-down from envisioned concept to as-built reality. I hope we won't see that replicated here...
December 20, 20177 yr My biggest problem with Buckingham getting the nod for this isn't actually the height (which is nevertheless disappointing), but rather I just don't trust them to deliver the high quality architecture and design this site deserves. Nothing in their portfolio as far as I can see is up to par, and their two biggest projects should have been huge red flags IMO. City Way in Indy is cheaply built, bland 5-story stick builds with materials and detailing worse than any of our recent mixed-use boxes along High St - even HighPoint, and their Aertson Midtown in Nashville is a jumbled-up hodge podge EIFS nightmare. Beyond that, I just don't see anything aspirational in this plan, which is compounding my concerns about the quality of what we seem set to be getting. This is the best site in the city, and deserves a lot better than inferior imitations of things we already have in spades. Sure, anything is better than what's there now - but that shouldn't be where the bar is set. The Banks in Cincy went through a similar let-down from envisioned concept to as-built reality. I hope we won't see that replicated here... OMG..their stuff is worse than Highpointe? Why did they choose this company? If they were not satisfied they should have just not picked any of them and started over. smh.
December 21, 20177 yr ^Is it a CDDC issue? The only developer that's working out OK is Daimler/Kaufman. Carter (Highpoint) and LC (who may finish their buildings this decade) have been disappointing. CDDC has done well with park development but their track record with developers is pretty mixed.
December 21, 20177 yr ^Is it a CDDC issue? The only developer that's working out OK is Daimler/Kaufman. Carter (Highpoint) and LC (who may finish their buildings this decade) have been disappointing. CDDC has done well with park development but their track record with developers is pretty mixed. I think both of the ongoing LC developments are really good, they are just taking forever. The buildings are very well designed and very intricate. I know we don't want 8-story buildings to be taking 3 years to complete, but the design is very good and I think the finished product will be excellent. Highpoint is definitely disappointing from a design perspective, but the substance is pretty decent in terms of bringing a large number of new residents to the area as well as restaurant/retail space. Personally think they should have broke up the Highpoint land among two or three different developers. That would have encouraged more variation in design and potentially taller and bolder architecture. So, long story short, I don't think there is a CDDC issue.
December 21, 20177 yr My biggest problem with Buckingham getting the nod for this isn't actually the height (which is nevertheless disappointing), but rather I just don't trust them to deliver the high quality architecture and design this site deserves. Nothing in their portfolio as far as I can see is up to par, and their two biggest projects should have been huge red flags IMO. City Way in Indy is cheaply built, bland 5-story stick builds with materials and detailing worse than any of our recent mixed-use boxes along High St - even HighPoint, and their Aertson Midtown in Nashville is a jumbled-up hodge podge EIFS nightmare. Beyond that, I just don't see anything aspirational in this plan, which is compounding my concerns about the quality of what we seem set to be getting. This is the best site in the city, and deserves a lot better than inferior imitations of things we already have in spades. Sure, anything is better than what's there now - but that shouldn't be where the bar is set. The Banks in Cincy went through a similar let-down from envisioned concept to as-built reality. I hope we won't see that replicated here... OMG..their stuff is worse than Highpointe? Why did they choose this company? If they were not satisfied they should have just not picked any of them and started over. smh. I've seen both of Buckingham's projects that were mentioned in person; they are not as bad as 600 Goodale or 801 Polaris, but when Kaufman works with Daimler they do have a pretty good product. Highpoint does not look bad now that the block is becoming more uniform and businesses have filled in, when it was first built it stuck out like a sore thumb. It fits in with the neighborhood now, think about the Great Southern Hotel & Theatre building and that block versus the courthouse and 250 High versus Highpoint/LC.
January 2, 20187 yr The 12 Most Anticipated Buildings of 2018 National Veterans Memorial and Museum, by Allied Works Architecture (Columbus, Ohio) While the design of some museums scream for attention, the National Veterans Memorial and Museum is beautifully understated, honoring the country's veterans in an appropriately somber manner. Indeed, much like the people it's honoring, the structure has a dignified form that appears to be organically grown from the ground. Designed by the U.S.-based firm Allied Works Architecture, the building will house artifacts, multimedia exhibits, and installations to remind visitors of all that the nation's veterans have sacrificed. https://www.architecturaldigest.com/gallery/most-anticipated-buildings-of-2018
January 25, 20187 yr Geotech work is underway. A couple of soil boring rigs are working along the railroad tracks and W. State St.
January 25, 20187 yr Geotech work is underway. A couple of soil boring rigs are working along the railroad tracks and W. State St. Seeing anything at all is huge news.
February 3, 20187 yr Couple more construction views of the Veterans Memorial & Museum. One view from the corner of Broad & Belle in http://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-downtown-franklinton-more-we1: One view from across the river and the Broad Street Bridge in yesterday's Dispatch:
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