You'd think that they'd want to have better craftsmanship on these than they do in like, Galloway but that doesn't mean they will. 

18 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

You'd think that they'd want to have better craftsmanship on these than they do in like, Galloway but that doesn't mean they will. 

Just had to s**t on the uncool crescent! lol. But yeah, it is true-you should get what you pay for and for a million each they should be top notch.

13 hours ago, wpcc88 said:

No offense to anyone who lives in one but I wouldn't go near an M/I home for a million. We were fortunate enough to build our last home with a semi custom builder and even that wasn’t worth it after a couple of years(and we got in before covid and inflation).
 

If I had a million bucks at my disposal I’m out of town on a $150k lot with a full custom home and outbuilding or in a barndo(mainly because I want toys and my wife wants more dogs).  But you could also find a pretty nice “urban” spot in Grandview or Victorian Village for that or less with a yard and possibly functional garage. I personally wouldn’t be in a glorified suburban track home with zero yard(see the aforementioned dogs).

MI, Pulte, Maronda (sadly they're still around), Ryan. Centex, DR Horton. Avoid them all like the plague they're not worth the money.

Which one used to be called Dominion?

1 minute ago, GCrites80s said:

Which one used to be called Dominion?

Pulte absorbed them I believe, and DR Horton absorbed Westport.

Well we know who the bad ones are...how about some of the good ones?

11 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Well we know who the bad ones are...how about some of the good ones?

I mean I could be biased given how much one of them is set to pay me

17 hours ago, VintageLife said:

I don’t mind the zero yard and would hate a lot of land, but yeah these houses are probably s**t. It’s insane what people will pay a million for. I would rather go to German village and find a house over 100 years old. 

My thoughts exactly if I were staying in the core. Give me something with character. I just have heard too many horror stories about the track homes, especially more recently. I have friends in Cleveland that built with Drees and they do a very good job, but they’re not in this market.

10 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

My thoughts exactly if I were staying in the core. Give me something with character. I just have heard too many horror stories about the track homes, especially more recently. I have friends in Cleveland that built with Drees and they do a very good job, but they’re not in this market.

I’m pretty shocked that most of these even appear to have a basement, so that does give them a little benefit. 
 

in fairness the outside of most of them look really good from what I can see, but the inside just lacks character, for me at least.  

2 hours ago, VintageLife said:

I’m pretty shocked that most of these even appear to have a basement, so that does give them a little benefit. 
 

in fairness the outside of most of them look really good from what I can see, but the inside just lacks character, for me at least.  

They certainly seem higher quality - the problem is they're build with poor materials in the bones and use even worse contractors. Often times the material is only as good as the installer, and these guys suck! 

16 minutes ago, columbus17 said:

They certainly seem higher quality - the problem is they're build with poor materials in the bones and use even worse contractors. Often times the material is only as good as the installer, and these guys suck! 

I don’t doubt that at all. Part of the reason I would refuse to ever live in a new house, if I could afford one haha

I'm on the fence about these houses. They look clean (perhaps in a sterile way), neighborly and approachable/walkable from a pedestrian perspective. But a couple of things bother me.

Some of these residences (not so much the SFH, but the row homes) are quite literally "off-the-grid" where the front door faces a courtyard and the back garage door faces an unnamed alley. In a society where 95%+ of addresses can reliably be found by scanning the addresses from the street, does anyone see any safety/convenience issues with that?  In emergencies, deliveries, guests/parties? How is the snow removal on these access points, and how can you really plow snow with no negative space to dump the residue.

And even though I'm not an outdoorsman big on yard-space, for that kind of money, I would certainly want enough grass that I could play catch with my kids, or have a backyard BBQ with friends without feeling cramped for space or privacy.

 

Vertical construction is underway at Bobcat and First 

 

 

 

 

Being NRI I can certainly imagine, but is there an official rendering of what this one is going to look like? 

A couple photos of the mystery GY building going up on 1st taken from the top of the garage

 

On 5/11/2023 at 12:16 PM, PrestoKinetic said:

I'm on the fence about these houses. They look clean (perhaps in a sterile way), neighborly and approachable/walkable from a pedestrian perspective. But a couple of things bother me.

Some of these residences (not so much the SFH, but the row homes) are quite literally "off-the-grid" where the front door faces a courtyard and the back garage door faces an unnamed alley. In a society where 95%+ of addresses can reliably be found by scanning the addresses from the street, does anyone see any safety/convenience issues with that?  In emergencies, deliveries, guests/parties? How is the snow removal on these access points, and how can you really plow snow with no negative space to dump the residue.

And even though I'm not an outdoorsman big on yard-space, for that kind of money, I would certainly want enough grass that I could play catch with my kids, or have a backyard BBQ with friends without feeling cramped for space or privacy.

Well I would hope that these would be for mostly childless people-empty nesters, singles or couples with not kids, etc. It looks like there is just enough space for a small courtyard so small gatherings maybe? And as for the snow, You don't expect them to just pile it up there, do you?-they will scrape it up and haul it off to dump it somewhere on the west or south sides/s

On 5/11/2023 at 5:25 PM, NW24HX said:

Being NRI I can certainly imagine, but is there an official rendering of what this one is going to look like? 

Ummm....Brick maybe?

4 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Ummm....Brick maybe?

And 5 or 6 stories. Just need to look down the street and you will have a pretty good guess what it will look like. 

Obviously lol, but I'd still like to see a rendering 😜

 

Edited May 20, 20232 yr by NW24HX

On 5/20/2023 at 10:40 AM, VintageLife said:

And 5 or 6 stories. Just need to look down the street and you will have a pretty good guess what it will look like. 

6 Stories now?? Now we're talking an improvement!

 

Elevator core rising today at Bobcat and First

 

 

I have some plan documents for this mystery building but can’t figure out how to post a photo on this site for the life of me. It’s called “The Devon Apartments”, will be ~5 stories and take up the whole parcel in almost an “S” shape with two courtyards, one facing the park and one facing the garage. First floor apartments will have walk up access from the street. 
 

**Edit to add photo:

Edited June 22, 20231 yr by BroadGayLongSt

49 minutes ago, BroadGayLongSt said:

I have some plan documents for this mystery building but can’t figure out how to post a photo on this site for the life of me. It’s called “The Devon Apartments”, will be ~5 stories and take up the whole parcel in almost an “S” shape with two courtyards, one facing the park and one facing the garage. First floor apartments will have walk up access from the street. 

You should just be able to tap this on your post, either on phone or computer and select add photo. 
 

 

1 hour ago, BroadGayLongSt said:

I have some plan documents for this mystery building but can’t figure out how to post a photo on this site for the life of me. It’s called “The Devon Apartments”, will be ~5 stories and take up the whole parcel in almost an “S” shape with two courtyards, one facing the park and one facing the garage. First floor apartments will have walk up access from the street. 

Welcome to the forum! Thanks for your contribution 😀

Edited June 22, 20231 yr by PrestoKinetic

I believe there are restrictions on new posters to prevent spammers from ruining the site with Ray-Ban ads

I remember there used to be ones about Disney vacations.

Thanks all. I once was lost, but now am found. Post above has been edited to include a photo.

Damn I was hoping this would include some first floor retail space facing the park 

16 hours ago, NW24HX said:

Damn I was hoping this would include some first floor retail space facing the park 

I was seriously hoping the same thing. Grandview Yard only has retail and dining on the northern and southernmost extremities and the 3/4 mile stretch in between them is too long to have nothing but residential and office in my opinion.

6 minutes ago, PrestoKinetic said:

I was seriously hoping the same thing. Grandview Yard only has retail and dining on the northern and southernmost extremities and the 3/4 mile stretch in between them is too long to have nothing but residential and office in my opinion.

Yeah, this type of design is not a proper urban mixed use type of build. It lacks all the features of what makes walkable areas enjoyable. They have so much space and a blank slate to make everything awesome and all they have done is come up short, every step of the way. 

At this point, we need to accept Grandview Yard is just not ever going to be the urban neighborhood it claims to be. Far too many missed opportunities. 

I think we are being a bit too harsh on GY here. Everything highlighted green in the screenshot below are buildings which are not residential only buildings. Some are hotels, some are restaurants, some are residential/commercial mixed-use, and some are fully office buildings. 

 

 

Could they have included more commercial space? Sure, but I think they've done a solid job of taking an industrial wasteland and turning it into a comfortable and walkable neighborhood with a decent amount of commercial space intermixed with residential units.

1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

I think we are being a bit too harsh on GY here. Everything highlighted green in the screenshot below are buildings which are not residential only buildings. Some are hotels, some are restaurants, some are residential/commercial mixed-use, and some are fully office buildings. 

 

 

Could they have included more commercial space? Sure, but I think they've done a solid job of taking an industrial wasteland and turning it into a comfortable and walkable neighborhood with a decent amount of commercial space intermixed with residential units.

It’s not just that, it’s the overall simple design. I can get the first few buildings being basic and the same, with the risk of not knowing if it will work. Once the entire place started filling up, there was no reason it couldn’t become better. They should have numerous pedestrian only streets/areas and things to do all over. It’s boring and uninspiring. 
 

anytime I’ve been in the area, I never see people out walking around and enjoying life. I have only ever seen cars going into and out of the parking garages and parking lots. It’s a glorified outdoor mall, trying to be a mixed use district, with some more housing units than usual. 

Edited June 23, 20231 yr by VintageLife

6 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

It’s not just that, it’s the overall simple design. I can get the first few buildings being basic and the same, with the risk of not knowing if it will work. Once the entire place started filling up, there was no reason it couldn’t become better. They should have numerous pedestrian only streets/areas and things to do all over. It’s boring and uninspiring. 
 

anytime I’ve been in the area, I never see people out walking around and enjoying life. I have only ever seen cars going into and out of the parking garages and parking lots. It’s a glorified outdoor mall, trying to be a mixed use district, with some more housing units than usual. 

I 100% agree. There's way too many parking garages that absolutely devoid this area of any life that absolutely overwhelm the area. 

 

I do like the density of the new MI Homes. Nationwide should've done something different than sticking 8 suburban style apartment buildings in this area. 

Just now, KyleofColumbus said:

I 100% agree. There's way too many parking garages that absolutely devoid this area of any life that absolutely overwhelm the area. 

 

I do like the density of the new MI Homes. Nationwide should've done something different than sticking 8 suburban style apartment buildings in this area. 

Agree with the MI home density, that is about the only good part of the entire place. Sadly the rest is exactly what nationwide is doing in the arena district. I really hope they end up selling land that they own in other parts of the city. They did a great job with the early development in the area, but should have dropped out a long time ago. They have no vision for the future and build bland, boring and uninspired buildings that lack big city features. All their crap looks like suburban design, just in a nice brick building. 

2 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

I think we are being a bit too harsh on GY here. Everything highlighted green in the screenshot below are buildings which are not residential only buildings. Some are hotels, some are restaurants, some are residential/commercial mixed-use, and some are fully office buildings. 

 

 

Could they have included more commercial space? Sure, but I think they've done a solid job of taking an industrial wasteland and turning it into a comfortable and walkable neighborhood with a decent amount of commercial space intermixed with residential units.

 

There are lots of problems, though. Most of the buildings have setbacks off the sidewalk, so there is no direct pedestrian interaction. Furthermore, the design of many of the "mixed-use" buildings calls absolutely zero attention to those uses. Part of this is the poor design that doesn't really set those other uses apart from their residential components. It's all just monontonous, so someone walking by probably has no idea a restaurant event exists. The density is okay but other than that, it just doesn't feel like an interactive neighborhood like true urbanity would have. 

5 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

There are lots of problems, though. Most of the buildings have setbacks off the sidewalk, so there is no direct pedestrian interaction. Furthermore, the design of many of the "mixed-use" buildings calls absolutely zero attention to those uses. Part of this is the poor design that doesn't really set those other uses apart from their residential components. It's all just monontonous, so someone walking by probably has no idea a restaurant event exists. The density is okay but other than that, it just doesn't feel like an interactive neighborhood like true urbanity would have. 

Completely agree - put some patios out, create some colorful murals or signage, and create some pocket parks or places for small concerts/events/etc. Make it a community. That's the one thing Bridge Park excels at - every time I go there its lively and feels like a community.

 

8 hours ago, VintageLife said:

I never see people out walking around and enjoying life. I have only ever seen cars going into and out of the parking garages and parking lots.

It might be the time of day, year or weather. But on beautiful spring/summer evenings, I see dozens of people out but they're either jogging or walking a dog. They do take advantage of the sidewalks and green spaces here. I think I do see this on weekdays more than weekends though.
 

8 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

Most of the buildings have setbacks off the sidewalk, so there is no direct pedestrian interaction

I just don't get this issue. *shrug* Multiple people are using the walk-up layouts to go directly into their unit. Any pedestrian interaction not being generated is because there's nothing to walk-into through most of the Yard except for medical offices, Nationwide and other apartments which you have no reason to go into unless you know someone who lives there.

To @cbussoccer's point... I like being optimistic, so I will hope for the best. But everything in between Brekkie Shack and Hyatt is not commercial for visiting. Knowing someone who lives here, the more you live here, the more you discover what you CAN walk to, but it's not the plethora of options you want it to be. From the middle of the Yard, you're shy of 10 minutes from both ends, but it can still take motivation to walk there (I might be lazy lol). It would be nice to have something across the street or next door to go to rain or shine and not 3 long blocks over.
 

Edited June 24, 20231 yr by PrestoKinetic

On 6/23/2023 at 4:22 PM, VintageLife said:

It’s not just that, it’s the overall simple design. I can get the first few buildings being basic and the same, with the risk of not knowing if it will work. Once the entire place started filling up, there was no reason it couldn’t become better. They should have numerous pedestrian only streets/areas and things to do all over. It’s boring and uninspiring. 
 

anytime I’ve been in the area, I never see people out walking around and enjoying life. I have only ever seen cars going into and out of the parking garages and parking lots. It’s a glorified outdoor mall, trying to be a mixed use district, with some more housing units than usual. 

GY is Arena District Phase 2 - a suburban office park with the buildings pushed to the street.

2 hours ago, Pablo said:

GY is Arena District Phase 2 - a suburban office park with the buildings pushed to the street.

A suburban office park with a few thousand more residential units, green space, restaurant, commercial, and recreational space. Oh, and you actually people see people walking around outside for more purposes than simply walking from their car to their building. But yea, if you ignore all that it’s just a suburban office park. 

20 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

A suburban office park with a few thousand more residential units, green space, restaurant, commercial, and recreational space. Oh, and you actually people see people walking around outside for more purposes than simply walking from their car to their building. But yea, if you ignore all that it’s just a suburban office park. 

Sounds like you could also be describing Metro Place in Dublin, except Metro Place has more architectural variety. 
 

What I see in GY is a single developer, with design standards and a self imposed height limit creating a homogeneous streetscape, nothing left to chance. Sterile, like a neighborhood with a HOA.
 

Put most of the office and garages along the tracks, gather most of the retail in a zone along 3rd, all single family along the older part of GH and the multi family between the office and single family. Office workers drive to their parking garage and walk through a bridge to work. Maybe they walk over to a national chain restaurant on 3rd for lunch. 
 

Look, I’m glad the old Big Bear warehouse site was redeveloped. GH has increased their tax revenue for the benefit of their citizens. Maybe over time I’ll warm up to GH but right now it’s meh. 

On 6/23/2023 at 10:08 PM, PrestoKinetic said:

I just don't get this issue. *shrug* Multiple people are using the walk-up layouts to go directly into their unit. Any pedestrian interaction not being generated is because there's nothing to walk-into through most of the Yard except for medical offices, Nationwide and other apartments which you have no reason to go into unless you know someone who lives there.

To @cbussoccer's point... I like being optimistic, so I will hope for the best. But everything in between Brekkie Shack and Hyatt is not commercial for visiting. Knowing someone who lives here, the more you live here, the more you discover what you CAN walk to, but it's not the plethora of options you want it to be. From the middle of the Yard, you're shy of 10 minutes from both ends, but it can still take motivation to walk there (I might be lazy lol). It would be nice to have something across the street or next door to go to rain or shine and not 3 long blocks over.
 

 

I think you're basically saying the same thing I did. There's nothing to walk to. That's the issue. For a neighborhood that was essentially created from the ground up, there was a missed opportunity to make GY more than just primarily a quiet residential area with little going on otherwise. I'm not saying it's a bad neighborhood, I'm just saying that it's not very urban from development layout, use or walkability standpoints. 

 

 

Edited June 26, 20231 yr by jonoh81

It's not just design. People buy everything on Amazon. Stores don't open. Then people have to buy everything on the internet or drive outside 270.

 

The Devon Apartments at Bobcat and First

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I know I haven't posted anything meaningful in a while, so here are some pictures of the Devon Apartments (please don't revoke my membership)

 

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, PrestoKinetic said:

Well, I know I haven't posted anything meaningful in a while, so here are some pictures of the Devon Apartments (please don't revoke my membership)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is that the one between OSU and the new CVS that looks abandoned?

6 minutes ago, columbus17 said:

Is that the one between OSU and the new CVS that looks abandoned?

 

It's the Devon Apartments at Bobcat and First in Grandview Yard

Just now, CbusOrBust said:

 

It's the Devon Apartments at Bobcat and First in Grandview Yard

Ah so what's the one I'm thinking of?

15 minutes ago, columbus17 said:

Ah so what's the one I'm thinking of?

 

840 Michigan Ave in Harrison West-

 

I think ownership changed hands in the last year or so.  Hopefully we'll see movement there within the next 6 months.

 

A building permit was under review for a 54-unit building using the existing structure.

 

 

The Devon at Bobcat and First

 

(Sorry about the glare- I was running late so I just snatched a couple through the window 🥴)