September 2, 20222 yr Oh this whole thread is AWESOME Arcgis link: https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/9b1f271d104b4e8f9bc2d19ac03732c0 When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
September 6, 20222 yr Cross-posted in the random Cleveland developments thread Greater Cleveland TOD initiative on track By Ken Prendergast / September 6, 2022 A new initiative has started that, if successful, could reverse decades of urban sprawl, a hollowing out of Greater Cleveland’s urban core and an erosion of its transit system. It would also address a wide variety of problems that hurt the region’s environment, safety, economy and human health. The new initiative would accomplish that by encouraging more accessible, pedestrian-friendly, mixed-use developments along high-frequency transit corridors in Cleveland and Cuyahoga County. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/09/06/greater-cleveland-tod-initiative-on-track/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 16, 20222 yr What's the status on the Urban Form Overlay the city was attempting to roll out soon?
September 17, 20222 yr Maybe Justin Bibb should take a quick trip up to Buffalo to check in? How zoning reform has helped to turn Buffalo around The New York Times recently reported on Buffalo’s “other story,” an unexpected and dramatic increase in population in the last decade, the first time this had happened in 70 years. The “other story” in the Times headline is a reference to the Buffalo shooting, which brought weeks of negative media coverage to Buffalo earlier this year. The rest: https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2022/08/16/how-zoning-reform-has-helped-turn-buffalo-around
June 16, 20231 yr Cleveland headed this fall toward once-in-a-century shift from traditional zoning to new ‘form-based’ codeCLEVELAND, Ohio — Cleveland is cruising smoothly toward a once-in-a-century change in the city’s zoning code designed to make neighborhoods more urban, walkable and sustainable.The new zoning language, which could be adopted as soon as this fall, would represent a shift from the city’s existing code, adopted in 1929 and amended numerous times since then.https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/06/cleveland-headed-this-fall-toward-once-in-a-century-shift-from-traditional-zoning-to-new-form-based-code.htmlSent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
June 18, 20231 yr A thread... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 16, 20241 yr New, more flexible Cleveland zoning code pilot wins Planning Commission approval If council derails this they are putting personal interest and gain over the betterment of the city. https://signalcleveland.org/new-more-flexible-cleveland-zoning-code-pilot-wins-planning-commission-approval/
April 29, 20241 yr good aerial example of better main street urbanism — https://www.instagram.com/p/C6OfORTLQVe/?igsh=YjNkb3BuNWlzZThw
May 22, 20241 yr This thread appropriate? https://www.clevescene.com/news/form-based-code-neighborhood-approach-to-zoning-passes-through-cleveland-city-council-committee-44361757 A few thoughts, but the NIMBY hand wringing from Jenny Spencer is really annoying. Edited May 22, 20241 yr by TotalTransit
May 23, 20241 yr 18 hours ago, TotalTransit said: This thread appropriate? https://www.clevescene.com/news/form-based-code-neighborhood-approach-to-zoning-passes-through-cleveland-city-council-committee-44361757 A few thoughts, but the NIMBY hand wringing from Jenny Spencer is really annoying. She's not some random crank, she's representing the concerns of her constituents. The "g word" isn't really a thing in Cleveland, but if her people are worried about it it's her job to address it. Considering what's going on at the Euclid Beach trailer park, it's not entirely unjustified. It's Fluker's comments (again) that are off the wall and irrelevant. Design with "spaces on purpose" had nothing to do with race. It prioritized the preferences of the plannees over the desires of the planners. Edited May 23, 20241 yr by E Rocc
September 22, 2024Sep 22 Semi-related to zoning... Terry Coyne and Brent Zimmerman on the City of Cleveland's development process. Edited September 23, 2024Sep 23 by downtownjoe
September 22, 2024Sep 22 1 hour ago, downtownjoe said: Semi-related to zoning... Terry Coyne and Brent Zimmerman on the City of Cleveland's development process. I saw that too, that is not a good look on the city.
September 23, 2024Sep 23 1 hour ago, JB said: I saw that too, that is not a good look on the city. He's right. The culture is awful. I've said it before on here and members have asked me "what has the city ever done to you?" It's what they HAVEN'T done. Like all their jobs that we the tax payers fund.
September 23, 2024Sep 23 59 minutes ago, Cleburger said: He's right. The culture is awful. I've said it before on here and members have asked me "what has the city ever done to you?" It's what they HAVEN'T done. Like all their jobs that we the tax payers fund. Does city need to clean house? How would they justify firing a bunch of people? I just don’t get it.
September 24, 2024Sep 24 Zoning issues in Cleveland have always sparked interesting debates. With all the new developments happening, do you think we’re seeing a good balance between residential, commercial, and green spaces? Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts.
November 21, 2024Nov 21 Has anyone heard any updates on further adoption of the new "Form Based Code?"
November 24, 2024Nov 24 It was definitely adopted, but I haven’t heard of any new projects announced in the Detroit-Shoreway pilot area (see below). This older site gives a lot of details on the selection process and links back to landcode.com. Playing around with Archive.org I think landcode.com may have always been a redirect to the following link since I can’t find an independent snapshot of that page without getting bounced to this one: https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/fbc/cpc.html And for the record, the community meetings from September listed at the link above were from September 2023. So not a ton of updates made to the website. I guess the ball is in the hands of our developers… By selecting this area, somewhat outside of the core growth area, lowering the tax incentives for developing here, and experiencing inflation, this experiment might have come at the wrong time. Or it may just be too early to have seen it begin to take effect. There is a cancelled project and potential projects (BK site) that fall into this range, but I’m not sure if any are beginning to take shape.
November 27, 2024Nov 27 Its just kind of silly to me to even need a "pilot" for this. How much evidence do we need? Everyone and their mother knows Euclidian zoning is not sustainable. Just rezone the city as a whole and use the form based code for towards awarding tax incentives and as a new building code. Offer tax credits for *actual* affordable housing so developers don't need to rely on the ridiculously restrictive and costly Fair Housing Act. Tell the whiners to kick rocks. Convert Single Family to Multi-Family Residential and allow mixed use again on the main arterials. Off the top of my head, only the Landmark areas have special zones for general mixed use. So the only zones that allow mixed use are already built out AND have the significantly more NIMBY Landmarks Commission determining their fate. Copy and paste Detroit's Land Value Tax and call it a day. There, I just make Cleveland the most Urbanist city in the Midwest.
November 27, 2024Nov 27 2 hours ago, Henke said: @Zagapi these are great ideas. You should run for Jenny Spencer’s seat. Funny enough, I am moving to her ward in 3 days. However, I don't think my odds as a 25 y/o transgender engineer are any better than a snowball's chance in Hell lmao
November 27, 2024Nov 27 1 hour ago, Zagapi said: Funny enough, I am moving to her ward in 3 days. However, I don't think my odds as a 25 y/o transgender engineer are any better than a snowball's chance in Hell lmao I live in her ward and would vote for you. Assuming her ward still exists after the redistricting...
November 28, 2024Nov 28 Terry Coyne just flamed the city on Linkedin again... I hate to say it, but the guy's been spot on, and his critiques are objective and backed up by fact.
November 28, 2024Nov 28 Wasn't Bibb's whole campaign about making this endless beurocratic BS a thing of the past when it comes to development?
November 29, 2024Nov 29 On 11/27/2024 at 7:57 PM, Henke said: Like him or not - nothing he says there is really based on emotion or opinion. That's a fact-based recap of what would be an exceptionally frustrating process for anyone.
November 29, 2024Nov 29 Sounds Soviet. Fixing stuff like this is in my super secret playbook for underperforming Ohio Democrats to win elections statewide again. Edited November 29, 2024Nov 29 by coneflower
November 30, 2024Nov 30 4 hours ago, YABO713 said: Like him or not - nothing he says there is really based on emotion or opinion. That's a fact-based recap of what would be an exceptionally frustrating process for anyone. I wish someone at City Hall would reach out to him as this sounds like a sincere pro-Cleveland cry for help while wanting to help his hometown succeed. I hope this is not reason as in our favorite fictional(?) teevee series:
March 17Mar 17 Have all of the new zoning codes been implemented city wide? https://signalcleveland.org/new-more-flexible-cleveland-zoning-code-pilot-wins-planning-commission-approval/
March 17Mar 17 On 11/29/2024 at 3:37 PM, coneflower said: Sounds Soviet. Fixing stuff like this is in my super secret playbook for underperforming Ohio Democrats to win elections statewide again. This is how they keep the competency challenged yet connected occupied. While local government has had more than its share of corruption, the issue is usually not avarice or malice, but incompetence and affiilated bureausclerosis. Push back it, and as he alludes to the malice can become an aggravating circumstance. I think the fact that Cleveland is notorious for things like this and hasn't elected a Republican mayor or councilman(?) in over 30 years (no, Mike Polensek has not switched parties LOL) pretty much hands this issue to the GOP (who to be honest, isn't always much better). Edited March 17Mar 17 by E Rocc
March 17Mar 17 2 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: Have all of the new zoning codes been implemented city wide? https://signalcleveland.org/new-more-flexible-cleveland-zoning-code-pilot-wins-planning-commission-approval/ I would imagine it hasn’t yet - I’m not aware of any big projects that have gone through the process. At least in the Detroit Shoreway neighborhood I don’t think there have been any that leverage the form based code. The impacted area would include the Shoreway Tower but I think that had already been approved before this was implemented. Watterson Lake, unfortunately, was excluded from the test region. I don’t pay as much attention to the other neighborhoods, but I think they would want to see how it works in practice before calling it a success and expanding.
March 18Mar 18 19 hours ago, Henke said: I would imagine it hasn’t yet - I’m not aware of any big projects that have gone through the process. At least in the Detroit Shoreway neighborhood I don’t think there have been any that leverage the form based code. The impacted area would include the Shoreway Tower but I think that had already been approved before this was implemented. Watterson Lake, unfortunately, was excluded from the test region. I don’t pay as much attention to the other neighborhoods, but I think they would want to see how it works in practice before calling it a success and expanding. I think earlier in the thread the general consensus was that the pilot was rolled out at an unfortunate time relating to Covid and other factors. In my opinion, I have no idea why we need a "pilot" in the first place. We have decades and decades of evidence across the country that our current zoning system is not sustainable. Just copy and paste across the city. Just make all of the current residential zoning multifamily and zone for mixed use along all major arterials. Tax only the value of the land instead of the improvements upon it. Then, tax the hell out land that is an empty or abandoned, any parcels used for parking , junkyards, used car sales and smoke shops. This will allow you to *lower* the amount collected from residents and removes the need for them trying to artificially lower the property values and have less nuisance properties altogether. Owners and buyers of these highly-taxed lots are then incentivized to develop/redevelop.
March 18Mar 18 I agree completely, but the Bibb administration has been very… deliberate in implementing policy and developing plans. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is another set of surveys/listening tours after the code has been implemented a few times.
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