On ‎5‎/‎16‎/‎2020 at 7:46 AM, newyorker said:

Why do they place these cheap housing project type apartments in African American neighborhoods? Why not develop something a bit more sophisticated like the do in Ohio City?  Why not this?

 

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There's plenty of cheap-looking housing projects on the west side.  The Quarter is the exception, not the rule.  Cheap-looking housing is Cleveland's forte.

1 hour ago, gruver said:

There's plenty of cheap-looking housing projects on the west side.  The Quarter is the exception, not the rule.  Cheap-looking housing is Cleveland's forte.

 

Cleveland's forte?  How about pretty much every city's forte as many projects look identical across the US.  This has nothing to do with Cleveland specifically.  I hate the "woe is Cleveland/this only happens in Cleveland" mindset.  It's simply not true.

There are a lot of very nice developments going up all over the city (OC, LI, UC, W. 25, Tremont, etc.).There are also a couple that are mediocre, but you see that everywhere.

On ‎5‎/‎29‎/‎2020 at 4:01 PM, jeremyck01 said:

Cleveland's forte?  How about pretty much every city's forte as many projects look identical across the US.  This has nothing to do with Cleveland specifically.  I hate the "woe is Cleveland/this only happens in Cleveland" mindset.  It's simply not true

 

I guess we can agree to disagree.  If you compare Cleveland's infill with other cities (Columbus, for example) I think you will find A LOT more vinyl and plastic panels here.

Edited June 1, 20205 yr by gruver

^ That's a new build in Columbus? That's lovely, looks like something straight out of Cleveland Hts or along Rockefeller Park. Let's call up that developer and recruit them for some infill here. There's a vacant lot next to the Monticello on Carnegie where that would look great.

Wouldn't ya know it. One day after I post a Seeds & Sprouts, bids have gone out for Cedar Extension Phase III, a $17.75 million new-construction mixed-income apartment project at 2320 East 30th St.

Edited June 2, 20205 yr by KJP

16 hours ago, PoshSteve said:

^ That's a new build in Columbus? That's lovely, looks like something straight out of Cleveland Hts or along Rockefeller Park. Let's call up that developer and recruit them for some infill here. There's a vacant lot next to the Monticello on Carnegie where that would look great.

Yes.  That's a new build apartment building in Columbus.  Here's another. Columbus (and other cities) seem to require a durable build in the city core and leave the vinyl/plastic/asphalt buildings we frequently see in Cleveland to the outer neighborhoods/suburbs. Imagine if we lined our grand old streets with buildings like these....

Edited June 2, 20205 yr by gruver

On 6/2/2020 at 11:36 AM, gruver said:

Yes.  That's a new build apartment building in Columbus.  Here's another. Columbus (and other cities) seem to require a durable build in the city core and leave the vinyl/plastic/asphalt buildings we frequently see in Cleveland to the outer neighborhoods/suburbs. Imagine if we lined our grand old streets with buildings like these....

 

Wow, it's barely even a mansard roof (I mean, c'mon, there's a balcony), but that slight angle and faux shingling really gives that building a DC/European look. I've always been mostly content with the quasi bauhaus developments that Cleveland seems to produce, but now I would love to see more stuff like the above, particularly in the eastern neighborhoods where it would blend well.

 

Under the working LLC title of "Gracemount Village Homes," a Louisiana based developer plans 22 single family houses at 16200 Glendale Ave (Lee-Miles Neighborhood). A school was razed at the location in 2014. 

The development will be done 5 houses at a time, since the city wants to make sure the developer can follow through.

This same developer also intends to build on E 85th St in Hough. The start of that proposal went before the BZA in February, though I'm not sure the outcome.

23 minutes ago, tykaps said:

Under the working LLC title of "Gracemount Village Homes," a Louisiana based developer plans 22 single family houses at 16200 Glendale Ave (Lee-Miles Neighborhood). A school was razed at the location in 2014. 

The development will be done 5 houses at a time, since the city wants to make sure the developer can follow through.

This same developer also intends to build on E 85th St in Hough. The start of that proposal went before the BZA in February, though I'm not sure the outcome.

There are some homes nearing completion currently on East 85th, could these be from that developer?

3 minutes ago, scg80 said:

There are some homes nearing completion currently on East 85th, could these be from that developer?

They would be just north of the intersection with Chester. Is that where they are? Oh and here's the developer:

https://www.goldentriangledevelopment.net/hough-at-home-cleveland-oh

Edited July 14, 20204 yr by tykaps

Yes, starting pretty much at the corner of Chester and 85 then heading north on the west side of the road.

That's great news! I would like to see even more investment in that area. The same way (as being discussed in another threat) redevelopment in Cleveland can grow out from and off of downtown and UC, it can also grow in from the stable neighborhoods that border the city. Shaker pours alot of resources into the areas north of Scottsdale, particularly the commercial stretch on Lee which now the main focus of the mayor. I understand Cleveland's need to target investment, but I hope we can see it targeted towards this area. A new streetscape down Lee would be a great start, as I think the older commercial areas are the main drag. From the data I've see, the housing in Lee-Miles and Lee-Seville is stable and continuing on a delicate recovery. Targeted investment (and project like above) could really help it along and give a bigger bang for the buck. Better to keep the stable areas stable then it is to wait for them to crash and rebuild from scratch.

News about the affordable homes development on Colfax Rd in Kinsman:

https://rejournals.com/keybank-provides-6-4-million-construction-loan-for-affordable-housing-development-in-cleveland/

^Nice!

 

On 4/26/2018 at 11:32 AM, KJP said:

One of the oldest houses still standing in the city is this one. It was built before Lexington Avenue existed, so the house was reoriented toward it after Lexington was built. The Councilman Basheer Jones is trying to organize support and funding to save this house and restore it. Contact the councilman at...

 

PHONE

Office: 216.664.2908

EMAIL

[email protected]

Assistant Brenda Nelson:

[email protected]

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2018/04262018/index.php

 

 

Cleveland Landmarks Commission

Agenda for April 26, 2018

 

REPORT

 

1. Luther Moses House

5611 Lexington Avenue

 

Ward 7

B. Jones

 

 

 

 

 

Horrible news. I didn't see this on the Landmarks Agenda nor did I see the permit issued. Had I, I would have written about this and maybe help bring some more attention to save this historic landmark....

 

 

A certificate of "appropriateness" from the city -- which is subject to opinion here....

 

Woodhill Station West newer plans:

The new changes are an improvement. I'm still not the biggest fan of the plan and setbacks but I love to see development in this area and 120 units is quite the development.  Also, the future building looks like it might have streetfront retail or at least no setback.

 

 

Next is Woodhill Center East:

I'm less excited about the changes made to this one, but again, I always enjoy some dense development.

@tykaps This should go into the Buckeye thread.

24 minutes ago, KJP said:

@tykaps This should go into the Buckeye thread.

Woodhill Station West is in the Kinsman neighborhood and Woodhill Center East is in Woodland Hills neighborhood. Unless the Buckeye thread is in reference to the street, not the neighborhood.

This area used to be under the responsibility of the old Buckeye CDC until it got taken over by BBC.

This is looking good now, but only when put into context with the future building.  A shame they can switch the phases. The corner building will have a nice presence there, and I'd much rather have it there over the current field - even if it means losing the great view of downtown.

I hope that part of the corner building is at least twice as tall. Not only would that bring amazing views of the city, but it would bring more boardings to the rail transit station.

 

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 24, 2020

Tremco seeks factory expansion straddling city line

 

How do you plan for and build a large, new production facility on both sides of a municipal boundary? Carefully.

 

That's what Beachwood-based manufacturer Tremco Inc. has had to do while proposing a 113,100-square-foot building for expanding its commercial sealants and waterproofing division called Mameco.

 

The expansion is of their 150,000-square-foot Cleveland plant on Miles Avenue at East 175th Street. That plant is proposed to expand east into Warrensville Heights to increase their production of AlphaGuard rooftop sealant.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/10/tremco-expansion-seeks-new-factory.html

Edited October 24, 20204 yr by KJP

 

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2020

Seeds & Sprouts XIV - Early intel on real estate projects

 

CPL to start new Woodland branch, library hub

 

A building permit application was requested from the city this week by the Cleveland Public Library to renovate the old Woodland branch, 5806 Woodland Ave., into a central distribution hub for the library network. And, CPL will construct a new branch library on vacant land immediately east of the old branch.

 

The old 15,696-square-foot branch was built in 1961 and expanded by 6,023 square feet in 2009. The new branch will be a single-level structure that will measure about 7,000 square feet, according to plans submitted to the city. No dollar amount for the project was listed in the permit application.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/12/seeds-sprouts-xiv-early-intel-on-real.html

 

** ALSO THERE IS A LINK TO A RENDERING AND SUMMARY ABOUT THE NEW BRANCH LIBRARY EMBEDDED IN THE ARTICLE. **

 

I'm so glad to see they are reconfiguring the driveways to all come off of the side streets now, as opposed to Woodland. Traffic is crazy in that area, and less people trying to turn left out of the driveways into it will really improve the safety of pedestrians walking through.

1 hour ago, PoshSteve said:

I'm so glad to see they are reconfiguring the driveways to all come off of the side streets now, as opposed to Woodland. Traffic is crazy in that area, and less people trying to turn left out of the driveways into it will really improve the safety of pedestrians walking through.

While fewer turns might make it safer for pedestrians, it will also encourage even faster traffic and a less pleasant experience for pedestrians to even want to be on Woodland.   This suggests a vision for Woodland as a "thruway" to somewhere else (like the Shoreway) rather than a neighborhood street (like Larchmere).

 

41 minutes ago, Foraker said:

While fewer turns might make it safer for pedestrians, it will also encourage even faster traffic and a less pleasant experience for pedestrians to even want to be on Woodland.   This suggests a vision for Woodland as a "thruway" to somewhere else (like the Shoreway) rather than a neighborhood street (like Larchmere).

 

 

I don't have any background in transportation, but I don't see it that way at all. There are currently ten curb cuts along a 580ft stretch of road here, and this plan would eliminate three of them. As far as I know, there are no plans to divide the road or increase the speed. Keeping the speed low comes more from having short blocks, as traffic control at the intersections (such as the stop light at E59th, at the front door of this proposal) would control speeding traffic. I would say what makes the Shoreway a thruway is more so from the lack of any intersections than from the lack of curbcuts. Also, If I'm remembering correctly, the city is going to be putting in bike lanes thru here. I would think less curb cuts would also make it safer for bikers too. Isn't the conventional wisdom for urban pedestrian friendly areas to limit curb cuts? I've never heard it suggested before that increasing them makes it safer. 

47 minutes ago, PoshSteve said:

 

I don't have any background in transportation, but I don't see it that way at all. There are currently ten curb cuts along a 580ft stretch of road here, and this plan would eliminate three of them. As far as I know, there are no plans to divide the road or increase the speed. Keeping the speed low comes more from having short blocks, as traffic control at the intersections (such as the stop light at E59th, at the front door of this proposal) would control speeding traffic. I would say what makes the Shoreway a thruway is more so from the lack of any intersections than from the lack of curbcuts. Also, If I'm remembering correctly, the city is going to be putting in bike lanes thru here. I would think less curb cuts would also make it safer for bikers too. Isn't the conventional wisdom for urban pedestrian friendly areas to limit curb cuts? I've never heard it suggested before that increasing them makes it safer. 

I agree that fewer curb cuts is safer for pedestrians because there are fewer pedestrian-vehicle crossings.  Reducing curb cuts is not bad.  I did not intend to suggest that having more curb cuts makes it safer.  Rather, I was just pointing out that while fewer curb cuts is SAFER for pedestrians, if it leads to higher traffic speeds it will be a lot less PLEASANT to be on the sidewalk.  (Personally, as a pedestrian I do not feel that safe walking beside 50mph traffic, unless there is a physical barrier, and even then it is not a pleasant place to be -- try walking between the West Side Market and Progressive Field.)

 

Here's further explanation of my thinking.

 

Speed limits and traffic lights don't do a lot to control speed.  Traffic lights seem to control traffic flow more than speed.  Despite regular stop lights on Chester Ave. between E105 and E55, 50mph is not uncommon despite the 35mph speed limit.  It also seems that traffic on the Shoreway travels well above the posted speed limit most of the time.  You can put a 25mph speed limit on the Shoreway and traffic speeds probably won't change.  Roadway design is a more significant factor in how fast drivers travel -- how wide open the roadway feels, the number of potential disruptions to flow (parallel-parked cars pulling out, doors opening, potential for a kid or dog darting out between parked cars, intersections and curb cuts where a vehicle may emerge), lane width, roadway condition, direct line of sight, etc.  (I also suspect that more sound insulation in today's cars and more powerful engines probably also contribute to increased speed.) 

 

Despite lots of curb cuts, traffic slows as it moves through Larchmere (or the Coventry business district, or Little Italy) because the narrow roadway, multiple intersections, and parked cars signal drivers to slow down and watch out for surprise potential conflicts.

 

Fewer curb cuts means less potential for cars to enter the roadway and force cars on the roadway to slow down -- drivers on the roadway don't have to be as vigilant of entering vehicles.  And unless the bike lane is physically separated from the roadway (by more than paint) drivers on the road will have the "feeling" that the roadway is more wide open and will feel comfortable driving faster.  And yes, the effect might be minimal in only 580 feet.  But if the future vision for S. Woodland is further reductions in curb cuts and extending a painted bike lane the future looks a lot faster. 

 

I also see cars driving and parking in non-physically-separated bike lanes far too often, and that can make the roadway far more dangerous to a cyclist, particularly at dusk or at night.

 

We like fast roads to get us places (the Shoreway), but we also like quiet commercial and residential district streets (Mayfield Rd through Little Italy).  City planners should be thinking about what S. Woodland should be.

Ah I see what you were saying now, thanks. I don't think the two have to be mutually exclusive though. We can have less curb cuts and still slow traffic. Less curb cuts to promote pedestrian safety and a road diet and/or redesign to calm traffic. I do think the Opportunity Corridor will be a benefit for this. As of now, Woodland is a traffic sewer of people cutting from the Heights to 490. Moving that traffic onto the OC will allow for Woodland to serve a new purpose focused more on the direct neighborhood. I think the library plan fits in with that vision. I also think that vision may mostly be in my head, as I can't find any city plans for roads in this area outside the OC.

21 hours ago, KJP said:

 

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2020

Seeds & Sprouts XIV - Early intel on real estate projects

 

CPL to start new Woodland branch, library hub

 

A building permit application was requested from the city this week by the Cleveland Public Library to renovate the old Woodland branch, 5806 Woodland Ave., into a central distribution hub for the library network. And, CPL will construct a new branch library on vacant land immediately east of the old branch.

 

The old 15,696-square-foot branch was built in 1961 and expanded by 6,023 square feet in 2009. The new branch will be a single-level structure that will measure about 7,000 square feet, according to plans submitted to the city. No dollar amount for the project was listed in the permit application.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/12/seeds-sprouts-xiv-early-intel-on-real.html

 

** ALSO THERE IS A LINK TO A RENDERING AND SUMMARY ABOUT THE NEW BRANCH LIBRARY EMBEDDED IN THE ARTICLE. **

 

 

Does this mean the branch is 21,000SF and will be replaced by one that is one-third the size? (Or that the current brach is 16,000SF? But that still is a sizeable reduction to only 7,000SF).  Why is this branch so small?  The current Walz Library is 9700 SF is being replaced with one that is 15,000SF. The new Hough Library will only be 8,000 SF as well. Not sure how big the current brach on Crawford is. But 7,000 SF sounds so small for a neighborhood library.

 

 

 

The original 1961-built branch is 15,696 SF (divided equally between basement and first floor). But there appears to be some non-branch-specific offices that were added in 2009, totaling 6,023 SF. If 15,696 is accurate, then yes, this would be a significant reduction. But if the 7,848 on the first floor of the 1961 library is what is actually used for publicly accessible library materials, then it may be a wash. As you tell, I'm not too sure either since I've never set foot in this library nor have I seen a current floor plan.

Cleveland, its school district put 19 properties in play, seeking real estate developers' proposals

Michelle Jarboe - Crain's CLE Business - Mar. 2, 2021

 

"A dozen vacant Cleveland schools and seven pieces of surplus land — almost all of them on the East Side — are hitting the market, the subjects of a request for redevelopment plans. The city and the Cleveland Metropolitan School District are jointly seeking proposals from real estate developers interested in remaking the properties, which the district no longer needs. The portfolio includes six historically and architecturally significant buildings, erected between 1903 and 1939, which are protected as city landmarks.

 

 

A map of the surplus CMSD sites from the cities RFQ:

RFPs/RFQs: Adaptive Reuse And Redevelopment Of Surplus CMSD Sites: http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/node/165891

With the recent surge in activity in Hough/Fairfax, and the big upcoming projects at 55th/Euclid and 55th/Carnegie, I expect there will be a great deal of interest in the MLK Highschool and Central Highschool sites.

North Park Place townhomes are now above ground.  It looked as if maybe 3 or 4 units were completely framed to the third level.  Wasn’t able to get a pic today though.

Cool project! 

 

 

Greater Cleveland Food Bank breaks ground on new Collinwood distribution center

Eric Heisig - Cleveland.com - Apr. 15, 2021

 

 

"The agency plans to build its 198,000-square-foot facility on an 18-acre piece of land on Coit Road on the edges of the Collinwood and Glenville neighborhoods, which was once home to the General Motors Fisher Body Plant, and two miles southwest of its current headquarters on South Waterloo Road. The plant closed in the 1980s. ... Construction costs and running the facility for five years is estimated to cost $40 million. ... Once the new distribution center opens, the South Waterloo Road building will be renovated and turned into a place to serve clients, with space for other social service organizations to also help those in need."

I can't believe what a massive facility that is.  I thought they just built a new one a few years back, as well.

7 minutes ago, X said:

I can't believe what a massive facility that is.  I thought they just built a new one a few years back, as well.

 

Lots of people in Cleveland without reliable access to food unfortunately and it has only gotten worse due to COVID. 

Jackson administration mum on details of plan to put asphalt and concrete plants on Opportunity Corridor

Eric Heisig - Cleveland.com - Apr. 29, 2021

 

 

"Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson’s administration has refused to answer questions about its push to build a construction school that includes asphalt and concrete plants along a prime section of Opportunity Corridor. ... Leaders at the organizations – Burten, Bell, Carr Development Inc. and The Fund for Our Economic Future – have questioned whether placing operations for the “Construction Opportunity Institute of Cleveland” could present possible environmental issues for nearby businesses and residents and whether it’s is the best use of a site that stakeholders repeatedly spoke about as part of a potential hub for food distribution companies. ... Cleveland real estate broker Terry Coyne said a problem he’s had with Opportunity Corridor were that the lots were too small. The bigger a property is, the more interesting it is for warehouses and manufacturing, he said."

I knew this was going to be another late 20th century style "urban renewal" project. Slap in an urban highway demolish everything along the way and oversell the "neighborhood potential". Maybe I have it all wrong but seeing the glinpse along 55th at the rapid stop made me question whether we were sold a pipe dream and just got more of the same old. I could be entirerly off-base and I hope I am.

 

Do we know if they're adding a bus line to cover all of the corridor?

1 hour ago, FutureboyWonder said:

 

Do we know if they're adding a bus line to cover all of the corridor?

 

 

RTA Next Gen system redesign goes into effect June 13. See the new system here: http://www.riderta.com/systemmap

 

That's the sound of Michael, er, Frank Jackson moonwalking backwards....

 

 

11 hours ago, KJP said:

That's the sound of Michael, er, Frank Jackson moonwalking backwards....

 

 

Well I think it’s the right decision to make. I think the project is an incredible idea that NEEDS to happen. Just not sure it needs to happen here. And I don’t know enough about that particular industry to say that the concerns are or are not valid, but u got food companies over there and people are saying the plant is gonna kick off soot and dust. If that’s true then that’s no bueno. 

I'm on a zoom call regarding Woodhill Homes and they just announced that they've been awarded the federal Choice Neighborhoods grant. I believe this HUD doc details the grantees and the project got $35 million!

Edited May 26, 20214 yr by bikemail

Holy crap!

https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2021/05/hud-awards-35-million-to-demolish-redevelop-decades-old-public-housing-complex-in-clevelands-buckeye-woodhill-neighborhood.html

 

This is such exciting news and a huge deal for the Buckeye-Woodhill Neighborhood plus the entire City of Cleveland!! Very well deserved, and this will make such a positive impact for peoples’ lives in so many ways.

 

This article highlights even more details and info: https://www.ideastream.org/news/woodhill-homes-wins-35-million-hud-grant-for-massive-overhaul

 

Forgotten Triangle forgotten no more

By Ken Prendergast / May 26, 2021

 

Cleveland received the best news possible today for the redevelopment of one of the city’s oldest public housing sites. The Woodhill Homes redevelopment won the largest possible federal grant from the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Last year the project was a finalist for HUD’s $35 million Choice Neighborhoods grant but came up just short.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/05/26/forgotten-triangle-forgotten-no-more/