November 24, 20195 yr Author Just now, MyTwoSense said: Thanks. I had a brain fart and could not place this. So that's what we're calling old age now..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 24, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said: This is amazing! I used to work at St. Luke's in the 80s, was sad to hear of its closure but so glad to see this new, high-quality development. St. Luke’s is now a senior community of apartments, and I believe a few offices and a school. It’s a beautiful building that I was happy they salvaged, rehabbed and repurposed. Would of been a shame to lose it altogether, I could be wrong but believe it was at a time slated for demolition. Side note it reminds me of Professor Xavier’s School for the Gifted. Full disclosure, I’m a bit of a comic nerd. Edited November 24, 20195 yr by Sapper Daddy
December 1, 20195 yr Author Tim Tramble builds toward ‘the ultimate city to live in’: Cleveland Champions https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/12/tim-tramble-undersung-star-of-community-development-cleveland-champions.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 10, 20195 yr Author While the other design-review districts have construction projects, signs, etc. on their agendas, these are the 15 most recent items on the East's design-review agenda.... EAST 2019-041 3231 E. 93RD ST. DEMOLITION EAST 2019-040 8634 BUCKEYE DEMOLITION EAST 2019-039 9501 KENNEDY DEMOLITION EAST 2019-038 2576 E 84TH ST. DEMOLITION EAST 2019-037 2963 E. 79TH ST. DEMOLITION EAST 2019-036 8803 WALKER DEMOLITION EAST 2019-035 2961 E. 79TH ST. DEMOLITION EAST 2019-034 2517 E. 79TH STREET DEMOLITION EAST 2019-033 2366 WOODHILL DEMOLITION EAST 2019-032 2370 WOODHILL DEMOLITION EAST 2019-031 3127 E. 93 (DEMOLITION) EAST 2019-030 AAC 55TH 3271 E. 55TH Rehab and remodel EAST 2019-029 3293 EAST 55TH REMOVE (DEMOLITION) EAST 2019-028 4636 BROADWAY DEMOLITION EAST 2019-027 SLAVIC VILLAGE GATEWAY 5163 Broadway Ave. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/listDR.php?D=EAST "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 11, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: While the other design-review districts have construction projects, signs, etc. on their agendas, these are the 15 most recent items on the East's design-review agenda.... This made me curious what the actual boundaries of the district are. Turns out the GIS system calls that layer "Design Review Committee Regions", whereas Design Review Districts are a different layer with non-contiguous regions. So in case anyone else needed a visual, here they are with an overlay of "Planning Districts" aka city neighborhoods so you can see where these demolitions are concentrated. Here's a slightly-cropped, zoomed-in version: If you want to look yourself, the interactive link is here: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/gis/cpc.html Edited December 11, 20195 yr by infrafreak added second graphic and link
December 16, 20195 yr Building permits filed today for the repurposing of 13905 Kinsman Ave into a BBQ restaurant by the people behind "Southern Cafe" in Lakewood. This is in the Mt Pleasant neighborhood. Nothing big but it's been a pretty slow news day.
January 2, 20205 yr The vacant Buckeye Woodland School, on Buckeye Road near where Shaker Boulevard starts and across from the Woodhill Rapid Station, will be the site of Phase I of the Woodhill Homes redevelopment plan. It'll have two apartment buildings, mixed-income. Councilman Blaine Griffin talks funding; plus an early rendering. https://www.ideastream.org/news/councilman-woodhill-must-be-redeveloped-with-or-without-hud-funding
January 3, 20205 yr Awesome. That early rendering looks promising. That intersection, with the rapid station there, really should be a centerpiece of a mid/high density node for the east side.
January 3, 20205 yr Author The proximity of this development to the rail station and the proposed design is a big deal. I hope it is funded and carried out as planned. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 4, 20205 yr Author "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 4, 20205 yr This, and more of it is sorely needed in parts of the East and SE side of the City. The idea of phasing-in market-rate housing may help to de-centralize poverty and hopefully create a community that is economically diverse and one that thrives.
February 4, 20205 yr WHOA this would be absolutely transformational for that part of town. Also love the nod to Luna Park: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_Park,_Cleveland
February 6, 20205 yr In the Mt. Pleasant neighborhood, a permit was filed today for the renovation of an 11 unit apartment building. 3328 E 149th St
February 7, 20205 yr 14 hours ago, tykaps said: In the Mt. Pleasant neighborhood, a permit was filed today for the renovation of an 11 unit apartment building. 3328 E 149th St Renovation of history instead of destruction of history! You love to see it!
February 7, 20205 yr ^Stuff like this is great! We have so many buildings like this in that condition throughout the city. This is very promising.
February 7, 20205 yr 39 minutes ago, TBideon said: It's a 6 minute walk from the nearby Van Aken stop, so that's another plus. I see the empty lots next to it, hopefully it spurs more residential development with NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS..........one can dream.
February 9, 20205 yr Author Redirecting from the SHW R&D thread..... 31 minutes ago, Dougal said: I have to think the city pitched an Opportunity Corridor site to S-W for the R&D center. It would be nice to know how the thinking went on that. I'm really disappointed that little seems to be happening on the OC. That we know about @Dougal. There's some big stuff happening at the UC end. And you've got close to 1,000 employees coming to the west end with the CPD HQ. I suspect Orlando and Miceli may be taking a look at their properties at this point. If CMHA gets that $35 million to redevelop Woodhill Homes, that will be a pretty big spark for the residential offerings in that area. The perception is that it's a gigantic swath of ghetto between downtown and Shaker Square along Woodland. But I don't think that's the case so much anymore. All of the development involving Arbor Park and now the replacement of the Cedar Estates with a mix of subsidized and market-rate housing, leaves less than a 3-mile trek along Woodland through a gutted neighborhood before you get back to civilization and the Larchmere District at MLK. And the Opportunity Corridor is slicing right through the middle of that gutted gap. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 19, 20205 yr Latest round of state affordable tax credits! Woodhill Homes is seeking $11 million in subsidies for the first parts of its redevelopment of the (currently) 487 unit public housing project. This will go towards adding 77 units that will eventually allow the replacement of the current aging housing stock. https://ohiohome.org/ppd/proposals/2020/HUD-Subsidy/WoodhillHomes-PhaseII.pdf Not far from the Woodhill Homes redevelopment is the Schofield project which will see redevelopment of the Schofield Mansion along with some new construction for a total of 58 new units of affordable senior housing. https://ohiohome.org/ppd/proposals/2020/SeniorUrban/TheScofield.pdf
February 20, 20205 yr I am so glad to see all of these projects come to fruition. While urban redevelopment is great and has done wonders, there are still large swaths of the population who are Seniors and/or those struggling to earn a living wage, who cannot afford market-rate housing. These redevelopments address that need. Edited February 20, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
April 27, 20205 yr Bad news on the Woodhill Homes project: HUD Passes Over Cleveland's Woodhill Homes For Public Housing Grant https://wcpn.ideastream.org/news/hud-passes-over-clevelands-woodhill-homes-for-public-housing-grant Cleveland’s Woodhill Homes has lost out on a multimillion-dollar federal grant to reimagine public housing developments across the country. The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development announced four winners Thursday: Los Angeles; Philadelphia; Fort Worth, Texas, and Winston-Salem, N.C. The projects in those cities will each receive between $30 million and $35 million in HUD grant funding. Cleveland was the only city out of five finalists not to win a grant. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
April 27, 20205 yr Wow. Luckily phase one is already accounted for. Edited April 27, 20205 yr by MyPhoneDead
April 27, 20205 yr I'm happy to see that CMHA is doing their due diligence to see why they got denied. I'd like to see Ben Carson and staff tour these facilities (or any in that general area) and come to the same conclusion....
April 27, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, GISguy said: I'm happy to see that CMHA is doing their due diligence to see why they got denied. I'd like to see Ben Carson and staff tour these facilities (or any in that general area) and come to the same conclusion.... Part of the selection process even involved a HUD visit, so a group of them did see and experience firsthand what the conditions of Woodhill and the surrounding neighborhood are like. While it's unknown why Cleveland was the only finalist left out of winning a grant, the selection committee must have had reason why. Once this is learned, it can only help future efforts be more successful and impactful. Time to move forward and onward...and continue to fight toward improving the lives of much-deserving Clevelanders. While no federal grant, there are partnerships, visions and willpower at play to try to progress these plans forward however challenging and time consuming they may be. The "Cleveland way" isn't always easy, but we are resilient and dedicated to doing what's right - fighting for improving this city and the lives for the people who live here. Edited April 27, 20205 yr by urbanetics_
May 15, 20205 yr Cedar Redevelopment Phase 3, via East Design Review: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2020/05152020/CPC-Revised-presentation-05-15-2020.pdf
May 16, 20205 yr Why do they place these cheap housing project type apartments in African American neighborhoods? Why not develop something a bit more sophisticated like the do in Ohio City? Why not this? https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x8830f068af4f2079%3A0x6280a5eff8cc3d8a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipP1jdSCjqI-5wwTujraf4GspXs5TOesdF9681q6%3Dw520-h350-n-k-no!5snew apartment in ohio city - Google Search!15sCAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipP1jdSCjqI-5wwTujraf4GspXs5TOesdF9681q6
May 16, 20205 yr Author Because it's a public housing provider that's building them and I believe that at least some of the units are subsidized. Low income = cheap housing = cheap materials. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 16, 20205 yr I understand that KJP, but my point is most of the east side is full of projects! There are few (if any places) for upwardly mobile black to live in the city. Many have moved to Shaker, Cleveland height Warrensville Hts. and Bedford. To bring this population back to the city, there needs to be a development plan that is more than just projects.
May 16, 20205 yr Why do upwardly mobile blacks currently living in the suburbs and who want to live in the city have to live in historical black neighborhoods or "black developments" whatever that would be. Edited May 16, 20205 yr by Htsguy
May 16, 20205 yr I think the majority of the units will actually go for market rate, while some units may be subsidized. And they’re across the street from Olde Cedar on the other side of Central Ave., which were some of the first public housing units built in Cleveland. Regardless of looks (and the first two phases actually don’t look that bad in person- they’ll remind you of Tremont Pointe which is partially subsidized as well), the units are a HUGE improvement over what was there before. Edit- Central in general has gone through a transformation over the past decade; it is no where close to the deterioration, abandonment and destruction that was there 20 years ago. There are a few vacant lots left to be built on though- reason being that the neighborhood was pretty much completely torn down and built back from scratch, except for Outhwaite and some of the historic homes. Edited May 16, 20205 yr by Oldmanladyluck
May 16, 20205 yr I certainly do not see upwardly mobile caucasians clamoring to move to Cleveland's east side. Perhaps that is the case in University Circle and Little Italy, but again very segregated. Unfortunately, the reality is that Cleveland is extremely segregated. For instance, 92% of Cleveland's east side residents are American American while Caucasian comprise 4.6% of the population. My post was not intended to drag us into racial discussion, but one that is about providing a broader scale of housing options for African Americans on the east side. If I were American American and wanted to live in gentrifying young , hip Cleveland neighborhood on the east side, where would I move? For Cleveland to continue to make strides in tax revenues, we can't focus only a few west side neighborhoods. I appreciate that this forum has a thread dedicated to east side development. Edited May 16, 20205 yr by newyorker
May 16, 20205 yr As an African-American who was born and raised on the eastside (late-50s to mid-70s) but has also lived on the westside in Lakewood (late 80s), Cleveland has always been pretty segregated. The eastside attraction as a brief returning adult was focused on work at CCF, the UC cultural attractions and downtown. By the late 80s, the Eastside neighborhoods were in decline. No one, regardless of race, wants to live in a deteriorating neighborhood but many lack the financial means to escape. Edited May 16, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
May 16, 20205 yr Author 14 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: As an African-American who was born and raised on the eastside (50s to 70s) but has also lived on the westside in Lakewood (late 80s), Cleveland has always been pretty segregated. The eastside attraction as a brief returning adult was focused on the UC cultural attractions and downtown. By the late 80s, the Eastside neighborhoods were in decline. No one, regardless of race, wants to live in a deteriorating neighborhood but many lack the financial means to escape. They were in decline 50 years before that. They had hit rock-bottom by the late -1980s during the crack epidemic. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 16, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: They were in decline 50 years before that. They had hit rock-bottom by the late -1980s during the crack epidemic. Growing up, Mt. Pleasant/Lee-Harvard were nice. I have not been to the eastside neighborhoods since the 90s. Since leaving in '89, most of my visits to Cleveland have been to downtown and the UC area. Google Earth views however show the eastside devastation. It makes me very sad because I love my hometown. This is why I advocate for more affordable housing because people don't want to live in squalor and despair, but without quality education and/or at least a living wage, they can't escape that environment. Edited May 16, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
May 16, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: Because it's a public housing provider that's building them and I believe that at least some of the units are subsidized. Low income = cheap housing = cheap materials. I've been told by contractors that even superior materials degrade in low income projects to the point that using them doesn't come close to paying for itself, long term.
May 16, 20205 yr Most successful cities do not have an entire half of the city as mostly low income. The truly great cities find a way to integrate social economic levels. There are projects in Manhattan, but you also have different levels of housing options next to the projects. The same is true in Atlanta and DC. Cleveland needs to find a way to build up black neighborhoods so that they are more integrated social economically. Replacing older projects with newer projects will ensure Cleveland continues to lose tax base and remain an overall poor city. Investing in a strategy that brings back middle class African Americans is paramount to future Cleveland's growth.
May 16, 20205 yr ^ This is believable because despair and hopelessness can lead to a total disregard of and lack of respect for one's environment. I think we're seeing it today with some of the irrational responses to COVID-19.
May 16, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, newyorker said: Most successful cities do not have an entire half of the city as mostly low income. The truly great cities find a way to integrate social economic levels. There are projects in Manhattan, but you also have different levels of housing options next to the projects. The same is true in Atlanta and DC. Cleveland needs to find a way to build up black neighborhoods so that they are more integrated social economically. Replacing older projects with newer projects will ensure Cleveland continues to lose tax base and remain an overall poor city. Investing in a strategy that brings back middle class African Americans is paramount to future Cleveland's growth. Absolutely correct. You don't see this in NYC. Then again, you also dont see block, after block, after block of low-income housing. Except for some areas of the Bronx and Brooklyn, they tend to be smaller and more integrated into the surrounding neighborhoods. Edited May 16, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
May 16, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, newyorker said: Most successful cities do not have an entire half of the city as mostly low income. The truly great cities find a way to integrate social economic levels. There are projects in Manhattan, but you also have different levels of housing options next to the projects. The same is true in Atlanta and DC. Cleveland needs to find a way to build up black neighborhoods so that they are more integrated social economically. Replacing older projects with newer projects will ensure Cleveland continues to lose tax base and remain an overall poor city. Investing in a strategy that brings back middle class African Americans is paramount to future Cleveland's growth. I'm hoping growth that is starting to move north along East 105th could start to become that upwardly mobile "black" hub. In conversations with some of my friends we talk about a district centered on 105th with AFam businesses, retail and culture, with renovation of those homes along the east/west streets. As you mentioned the defacto middle class black hub now is just up the hill from these areas in Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights and South Euclid. Not in Cleveland proper. That said the gentrification of that neighborhood shouldn't just be geared towards middle class blacks, but also those of other socioeconomic levels as well as people from other ethnicities, but why not a black "Little Italy" or Chinatown?
May 16, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said: I'm hoping growth that is starting to move north along East 105th could start to become that upwardly mobile "black" hub. In conversations with some of my friends we talk about a district centered on 105th with AFam businesses, retail and culture, with renovation of those homes along the east/west streets. As you mentioned the defacto middle class black hub now is just up the hill from these areas in Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights and South Euclid. Not in Cleveland proper. That said the gentrification of that neighborhood shouldn't just be geared towards middle class blacks, but also those of other socioeconomic levels as well as people from other ethnicities, but why not a black "Little Italy" or Chinatown? This is all a tough order without addressing the schools. Middle class blacks leave Cleveland for the same reasons that whites did and getting their children out of CMSD is at the top of the list.
May 16, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, Cleburger said: This is all a tough order without addressing the schools. Middle class blacks leave Cleveland for the same reasons that whites did and getting their children out of CMSD is at the top of the list. True, but what do all the families moving into Tremont and Ohio City do? The schools are just as bad since it's the same district. People moving into the apartments are still singles or couples with no children to raise, so schools aren't an issue. For those buying they likely send kids to private schools and there are already a ton of black families that do that in the Heights area.
May 18, 20205 yr On 5/16/2020 at 11:09 AM, newyorker said: Most successful cities do not have an entire half of the city as mostly low income. The truly great cities find a way to integrate social economic levels. There are projects in Manhattan, but you also have different levels of housing options next to the projects. The same is true in Atlanta and DC. Cleveland needs to find a way to build up black neighborhoods so that they are more integrated social economically. Replacing older projects with newer projects will ensure Cleveland continues to lose tax base and remain an overall poor city. Investing in a strategy that brings back middle class African Americans is paramount to future Cleveland's growth. This requires educational opportunities (training/skill development), job opportunities (jobs that at a minimum, pay a living wage) and heterogenous housing development that meets the needs of all members of the community, regardless of income.
May 18, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said: This requires educational opportunities (training/skill development), job opportunities (jobs that at a minimum, pay a living wage) and heterogenous housing development that meets the needs of all members of the community, regardless of income. Queue the Evergreen Cooperatives, a predominantly East Side organization. Makes me curious to know what involvement / consideration they've given to housing redevelopment as a wealth building strategy. http://www.evgoh.com/
May 18, 20205 yr I love this concept. I would venture to say that people don't want to or intentionally live in squalor. They tend to be victims of their circumstances and environment. Hopelessness and despair can incapacitate some people. Providing opportunities gives people something to look forward to. It can instill hope and aspirations, raising them out of poverty and an otherwise dim existence. Edited May 18, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
May 28, 20205 yr Author Cross posted in the Cleveland road and highway news thread "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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