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Slavic Village site chosen by a growing business
By Ken Prendergast / July 18, 2024

 

A new and growing business is seeking to move from its rented space in Cleveland’s Old Brooklyn neighborhood to put down stakes somewhere. And it found that somewhere in a faded brick building at 5363 Broadway Ave. in Slavic Village.

 

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https://neo-trans.blog/2024/07/18/slavic-village-site-chosen-by-a-growing-business/

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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    So i'm working on the project. There are 18 buildings in total. 14 are staying up and being repurposed, and 4 are being torn down and that's where the new builds will be built. 

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Slavic Village redevelopment plans progress

By Ken Prendergast / September 15, 2024

 

A Cleveland-New York development partnership is seeking financing for a significant remake of the heart of Cleveland’s Slavic Village at Broadway Avenue and East 55th Street. And an application for Low Income House Tax Credits (LIHTC) is bringing more clarity to the partnership’s redevelopment plans that were first revealed publicly by NEOtrans in May 2023.

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

^ its a nice and fairly modest, doable plan and of course its great to get more people living around that very important intersection.

 

however, a couple of caveats, first is why are we still doing teardowns? those small buildings could be made small biz ready with minimal rehab. maybe it turns out a greater good, but i just hate to see an intact block, humble and adandoned as it may be, leveled. 

 

second, the ny re firm slate is real, i’ve seen their signage around, but maybe somewhat sketchy? they seem to have a terrible bldg management service of over 1600 apts per comments below. otoh, they say they have nine current new build projects they are managing and have built over 80, so thats good:

 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/urwfuweemBv4Hmmp7?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy

 

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4 hours ago, mrnyc said:

^ its a nice and fairly modest, doable plan and of course its great to get more people living around that very important intersection.

 

however, a couple of caveats, first is why are we still doing teardowns? those small buildings could be made small biz ready with minimal rehab. maybe it turns out a greater good, but i just hate to see an intact block, humble and adandoned as it may be, leveled. 

 

second, the ny re firm slate is real, i’ve seen their signage around, but maybe somewhat sketchy? they seem to have a terrible bldg management service of over 1600 apts per comments below. otoh, they say they have nine current new build projects they are managing and have built over 80, so thats good:

 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/urwfuweemBv4Hmmp7?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy

 

https://slatepg.com/capabilities/

 

Usually the reasons for teardown in the city and inner ring are asbestos and ADA.  Antiquated and grossly inadequate wiring as well.  I was in and around some SV buildings WBITD and I'd be surprised if those weren't issues.

13 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

Usually the reasons for teardown in the city and inner ring are asbestos and ADA.  Antiquated and grossly inadequate wiring as well.  I was in and around some SV buildings WBITD and I'd be surprised if those weren't issues.

 

those would be issues with every old building, including the one on the left that is being saved. the most typical reason for teardowns is actually its always easier to build new. so instead of an empty lot nearby clearly they have control of the property here and this is where they want to build. no doubt the city is ok with it too. its just a shame, especially losing the one on the right which has a little personality. 

On 9/16/2024 at 2:02 AM, mrnyc said:

^ its a nice and fairly modest, doable plan and of course its great to get more people living around that very important intersection.

 

however, a couple of caveats, first is why are we still doing teardowns? those small buildings could be made small biz ready with minimal rehab. maybe it turns out a greater good, but i just hate to see an intact block, humble and adandoned as it may be, leveled. 

 

second, the ny re firm slate is real, i’ve seen their signage around, but maybe somewhat sketchy? they seem to have a terrible bldg management service of over 1600 apts per comments below. otoh, they say they have nine current new build projects they are managing and have built over 80, so thats good:

 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/urwfuweemBv4Hmmp7?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy

 

https://slatepg.com/capabilities/

Totally agree about trying to save old buildings when possible, but living a block from this intersection, I can assure you that these buildings are not worth saving, nor could they be.   The city has dropped the ball on holding anyone accountable for upkeep and unfortunately, the intersection looks like a war zone.   Windows smashed out, interiors looted, prostitutes, crack addicts, and ceilings caved in.   Having watched this neighborhood continue to deteriorate, the residents welcome any improvements.  😊 (and an emoji for hope)

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Olympia Building is moving. 

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"Where are they moving it to?"

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I hear it's moving to Atlanta.

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13 hours ago, X said:

I hear it's moving to Atlanta.

Can we also use the Modell law to try and keep it here? 😀

I just saw the guy speak at the Cleveland City Club last week. An amazing human.

It's amazing how people talk endlessly about "transformative" projects, have all kinds of projections, presentations and hype, and seek endless tax credits, public funds, and adulation.

 

And the end result either disappoints or takes years and years to get started.

 

Meanwhile Schaaf just went out and bought the Carnegie building in Slavic Village. He saw a building he liked, wrote a check for $237,000 and boom, it's his, though fundraising was required for the 7-figure renovations.

 

And again, in Slavic Village. Broadway/55th is no picnic, but Schaaf took a chance, and I hope to god the place succeeds.

 

Dude is a true legend. He's a worth a thousand Gilberts and a million Haslams.

 

 

 

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The problem is LIHTC and subsidized deals don't pencil. That's why all of the incentives are needed to make them move forward. 

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This historic tax credit award for the Columbia Savings and Loan building will help boost the Village 55 development

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

On 9/23/2024 at 12:05 AM, jstuski said:

Totally agree about trying to save old buildings when possible, but living a block from this intersection, I can assure you that these buildings are not worth saving, nor could they be.   The city has dropped the ball on holding anyone accountable for upkeep and unfortunately, the intersection looks like a war zone.   Windows smashed out, interiors looted, prostitutes, crack addicts, and ceilings caved in.   Having watched this neighborhood continue to deteriorate, the residents welcome any improvements.  😊 (and an emoji for hope)

I hope the intersection picture with the placemaking arches in the KJP feature becomes reality. We haven’t been down there in a long time but hope this could turn it around.

 

 

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I'm more curious than anything here so I'm sorry I just have a basic question.

 

Some time ago I drove by the the old Elgin furniture building, and as I understand things a Columbus area developer owns it and it's surrounding parcels.  Since they've put them all up for sale is there a realistic chance the city will want the buildings renovated or reused, or are these structures too far gone?

 

Slavic village has a lot of potential to be a charming neighborhood, not that yall need me to say that.

I really do hope to see enough investment to intercede in time to stop the continuing decline.

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Slavic Village site quietly back on the market
By Ken Prendergast / April 21, 2025

 

It’s not the first time Morabito Companies has had its large swath of land in Cleveland’s Slavic Village be put on the market for development. But it is the first time they’re trying it as a FSBO, or for sale by owner — without listing it via a real estate brokerage.

 

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https://neo-trans.blog/2025/04/21/slavic-village-site-quietly-back-on-the-market/

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

3 hours ago, KJP said:

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Slavic Village site quietly back on the market
By Ken Prendergast / April 21, 2025

 

It’s not the first time Morabito Companies has had its large swath of land in Cleveland’s Slavic Village be put on the market for development. But it is the first time they’re trying it as a FSBO, or for sale by owner — without listing it via a real estate brokerage.

 

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https://neo-trans.blog/2025/04/21/slavic-village-site-quietly-back-on-the-market/

34 acres might be enough for a new Huntington Bank Dome and some dreaded parking, if zoning allowed for it ?  Plan D if you will 😂😂

1 hour ago, ClevelandNative said:

34 acres might be enough for a new Huntington Bank Dome and some dreaded parking, if zoning allowed for it ?  Plan D if you will 😂😂

 

It looks like it would hold the stadium, but not much else.

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Slavic Village site quietly back on the market
By Ken Prendergast / April 21, 2025

 

It’s not the first time Morabito Companies has had its large swath of land in Cleveland’s Slavic Village be put on the market for development. But it is the first time they’re trying it as a FSBO, or for sale by owner — without listing it via a real estate brokerage.

 

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https://neo-trans.blog/2025/04/21/slavic-village-site-quietly-back-on-the-market/

 

I'm not sure if it's relevant to this deal, but Ben is married to Lea Boyas (excavating, landfill).  Their daughter is a friend.

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37 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

I'm not sure if it's relevant to this deal, but Ben is married to Lea Boyas (excavating, landfill).  Their daughter is a friend.

 

Yep, saw that. Since I posted the article on some developers have asked me some more information. One of them is a residential developer. I don't know if I'd like a big site like that for residential, especially downwind of the mills. But I'll let him figure that out.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I'd love to see as much of that site as possible return to residential. 

12 minutes ago, Mendo said:

I'd love to see as much of that site as possible return to residential. 

 

Cleveland needs more jobs more than it needs more people.  The latter may follow the former.

Not the kind of industrial jobs this site has the potential to attract. It borders residential already in the east and south. 

55 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Cleveland needs more jobs more than it needs more people.  The latter may follow the former.

I second this. 

I'm not sure which, if any, cities have as much industrial and warehouse space this close to their urban core as Cleveland but I'll bet they aren't cities we want to be compared to.

There are only a handful of 30+ acre industrial sites in the whole of Cuyahoga County

A NFA letter does not mean the site is clean enough for residential development

There is a lot of available residential infill land that would help the neighborhood more than this site

4 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

Cleveland needs more jobs more than it needs more people.  The latter may follow the former.

 

actually by all accounts cleveland has plenty of jobs and has difficulty attracting the people to take them.

 

perhaps the city should take a page from the springfield, ohio approach.

How many jobs are actually created by 30 acres of industrial/warehouse development these days?  It seems like huge factories still might only have dozens to a few hundred jobs.

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Even worse are data centers. The Site Readiness Fund has received a number of inquiries from developers seeking to build data centers, and they've turned them all down.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

1 hour ago, RMB said:

There are only a handful of 30+ acre industrial sites in the whole of Cuyahoga County

A NFA letter does not mean the site is clean enough for residential development

There is a lot of available residential infill land that would help the neighborhood more than this site

 

Indeed, land which may be suitable for industrial or commercial uses is by no means necessarily suitable for residential development.

 

That lesson was taught at an extreme level at Love Canal.    As was the one that says reluctant land owners should not be pushed to develop by third parties, including government.

These jobs won't pay enough to attract anybody to Cleveland. And industrial users depress the value of adjacent residential areas. Why compound that problem for a handful of jobs. 30 acres of residential and greenspace would do far more long term for the city. 

23 hours ago, mrnyc said:

actually by all accounts cleveland has plenty of jobs and has difficulty attracting the people to take them.

 

If that were the case, we wouldn't have had The Paradox Prize

 

Far too many Northeast Ohioans face a critical paradox: They don’t have a car, so they can’t get a job. And since they can’t get a job, they don’t have a car. In June 2019, the Fund for Our Economic Future set out to solve this chicken-and-egg challenge with up to $1 million in funding to support new and innovative ways to connect people to jobs and employers to the talent they need. Through a public competition known as The Paradox Prize, the Fund and its partners sourced more than 150 proposals from across the region—proving high demand for efficient, affordable and accessible transportation solutions.

 

But back to this site - this neck of SV is pretty depressed/forgotten triangle feel. Not sure what could go in here that would boost the immediate neighborhood. To Ken's point, being downwind of the steel plant is an issue for residential, most days it's not a big deal, but other days you can taste it when you're in the area (you can submit complaints here for both Cleveland and Newburgh Heights). The neighborhood is about to get the metroparks treatment though with the new Slavic Village Connector, so I'd imagine industrial isn't the first thing city leadership would like. Also, Re: future industrial uses: Bessemer/Aetna seem like they could take on more industrial and are already in heavy industry areas/isolated.

19 hours ago, GISguy said:

 

If that were the case, we wouldn't have had The Paradox Prize

 

Far too many Northeast Ohioans face a critical paradox: They don’t have a car, so they can’t get a job. And since they can’t get a job, they don’t have a car. In June 2019, the Fund for Our Economic Future set out to solve this chicken-and-egg challenge with up to $1 million in funding to support new and innovative ways to connect people to jobs and employers to the talent they need. Through a public competition known as The Paradox Prize, the Fund and its partners sourced more than 150 proposals from across the region—proving high demand for efficient, affordable and accessible transportation solutions.

 

But back to this site - this neck of SV is pretty depressed/forgotten triangle feel. Not sure what could go in here that would boost the immediate neighborhood. To Ken's point, being downwind of the steel plant is an issue for residential, most days it's not a big deal, but other days you can taste it when you're in the area (you can submit complaints here for both Cleveland and Newburgh Heights). The neighborhood is about to get the metroparks treatment though with the new Slavic Village Connector, so I'd imagine industrial isn't the first thing city leadership would like. Also, Re: future industrial uses: Bessemer/Aetna seem like they could take on more industrial and are already in heavy industry areas/isolated.

 

its a tough one. likely a combo issue of attracting people and yes also getting current residents to job sites easily. but i keep reading there are plenty of unfulfilled jobs to be had.

 

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