restless8052, sorry for the piling on, but I really had what I thought was a legit question not only for you but for others, too. I don't understand why one apparently benign land-use (what amounts to is a physical fitness facility) vs. a small grocery store which would bring more traffic and litter. I honestly don't understand why a neighborhood association which seeks to preserve its single-use (residential) land use in an attempt to preserve tranquility (which BTW single-use land uses force more vehicular traffic because most trips must be made by car), would prefer a grocery store over a physical fitness center. It sounds like this is more fear-driven, but of what I'm not sure. But I can tell you the worst urban planning decisions in history are driven by fear. The best are driven by hope and inclusiveness.

 

BTW: just because we don't like someone's opinion, don't tell them to go live in Avon Lake. The city is supposed to be a place of diversity, including for opinions. Ask questions. Promote dialogue. Foster understanding -- even if you don't agree with someone. I hope you accept my apology, restless8052.

" It sounds like this is more fear-driven, but of what I'm not sure."

 

Their fear is that the church will be re-purposed and then abandoned again after business 'x' fails and we will be back to where we are now with an unused husk in disrepair.

 

The very important 'constant' in this equation is the fact that EHA has had a greater say in this project than any other group of local citizenry.  Perhaps they deserve greater sway but by and large that sway has been meted out with the hammer of threats of lawsuits and driven by EHA's board.

 

They have brought suits in the past about land use and residential zoning.  That's the crux of the situation with EHA.

 

 

 

Believe me, I'm aware. I've written many articles about the church, as well as this one how about the neighborhood's opposition has kept the church vacant for 25 years......

 

http://www.cleveland.com/sunpostherald/index.ssf/2013/05/fifth_church_in_cleveland_has.html

 

But I want to hear from the neighbors. I want to hear what they fear, and why they apparently support a grocery store yet have opposed every other previous plan.

NO LINK REQUIRED: COMPLETE COMMENTARY ON THE DISTURBING STRONG HOLD OF THE EDGEWATER HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATION EXECUTIVE BOARD and FIFTH CHURCH.

 

By Jeon Francis

 

"Edgewater: Neighborhood of Tomorrow…Or of Yesterday? Five Years Later…"

 

In February 2009 someone posted a blog entry contemplating a move with her husband to the Edgewater neighborhood.

 

The entry read, “Edgewater: Neighborhood of Tomorrow…Or of Yesterday?”

 

Such a thought-provoking title, I thought, and it still applies even five years later.

 

Among the numerous points made, one in particular emerged—merchant vacancies along Clifton Boulevard. The writer mentioned the former Giant Eagle, which had flown the coop just the year before, and to my understanding, intentionally held onto the lease for years after to prevent other businesses from moving into the vacant building. 

 

Several years’ worth of tomorrows have come and gone since the poignant entry appeared. Anyone intimately familiar with Clifton Boulevard is well aware of the ridiculous storefront vacancies that continue to accrue.

 

One merchant recently told me, “Many of us are dying on the vine. I’m considering closing my shop.” Despite the roar of traffic heading toward the City of Lakewood, his plea for help was loud and clear, and he was not the only business owner to voice such sentiments.

 

As many are aware, the buildings where the former Giant Eagle and Johnny Malloy’s once stood have been demolished while designated landmark Fifth Church of Christ, Scientist quietly languishes behind a chain link fence like a dying elephant whose tusks may soon be pillaged by gloating poachers.

 

The entire block looks desolate. A sign of yesteryear sits just yards away: “Welcome to Edgewater. A Premiere Neighborhood.”

 

The cupola, once a shining inspiration to our neighborhood’s pride and glory, now a darkened decaying symbol of the failure of past and present leadership and our inability as a neighborhood to unify and hold accountable both those we entrust into office and those who lead our community development corporation, Cudell Improvement, Inc.

 

Much has been said about Fifth Church and the rehab costs certainly exaggerated over the years, even by our own neighborhood leaders. Discussions to redevelop the landmark have been scoffed at with self-approved phrases, such as “The church is not salvageable” and “The dome could come down at any time.”

 

It was mid-November 2013 when entrepreneurs Chick Holtkamp, Niki Zmij and their development team, highly accomplished Architect Jonathan Sandvick and equally respected Dana Noel of Jera Construction Management toured Fifth Church AND made their interest known to the City of Cleveland.

 

Again, that was five months ago, not an 11th-hour attempt as it has been portrayed by some.

 

Their concept? To restore the exterior of the building to its original splendor, build adjacent to Fifth Church a public green space or six townhomes, whichever is desired by the neighborhood, and repurpose the interior of the impressive circa 1926 domed structure as a state-of-the-art rock climbing and wellness center.

 

They envision creating “The Sanctuary at Edgewater” (view proposal at www.NeighborsInAction.info) according to the principles of community engagement and promoting healthy programs and activities, hand in hand with the already pedestrian-friendly and walkable nature of the neighborhood, not to mention the Clifton Boulevard Transportation Enhancement Project, the current streetscape project spearheaded by the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority (RTA) and set to encourage residents and visitors to reduce automobile use.

 

This synergy of partnerships would enable the restoration of an icon and the rebirth of a neighborhood...our neighborhood.

 

Since introduced, the rock climbing and wellness center concept has been met with support, gratitude and open arms by some but cynicism, catty remarks and threats of litigation by others.

 

Frankly, a restoration of the exterior could have been well under way by now.

 

Some argue that developing more housing stock instead of redeveloping the designated landmark is the solution to giving Edgewater the economic and social jolt it so desperately needs.

 

Fewer than a dozen townhomes at a proposed asking price of $500K+ each—impressive or absurd? Depends on whom you ask and perhaps which constituency their agenda serves, a specifically targeted demographic or the benefit of the entire neighborhood.

 

Last January certainly found Councilman Matt Zone inheriting a complex set of dynamics and a tangled web of personal agendas that would make the head of even someone with his charisma, know-how and ambition spin. 

 

He has publicly stated on several occasions that he recognizes the general community’s desire for a comprehensive approach to the development of the entire W. 117th Street and Clifton Boulevard block.

 

And with the desire of the developers of the rock climbing facility to coexist with the future Giant Eagle Market District Express and the overall “Shoppes on Clifton” development, a comprehensive approach is even more attainable.

 

Based on Zone’s successful track record with the transformation of the Detroit Shoreway and the Gordon Square Arts District, including the continued development of Battery Park, and his advocacy towards the saving of the badly crumbling façade of Watterson-Lake Elementary School, I am confident he possesses the intelligence and skill set to foster the relationships needed to align the team to “score the touchdown” for the Edgewater neighborhood—a repurposed Fifth Church, a Giant Eagle Market District Express and even townhomes built adjacent to Fifth Church along Lake Avenue.

 

Councilman Zone, your fans are waiting.

 

Unfortunately, Zone seems to be tipping the scales of attention and emphasis more toward one group of constituents—the executive board of the Edgewater Homeowners’ Association (EHA).

 

This has been made patently clear to me at past Stakeholder Group meetings that I have attended as a Stakeholder member, through various private correspondences from Zone, and most recently in a Zone quotation about litigation in an article in The Plain Dealer on April 29, 2014.

 

EHA has 140 members, but the board totals a much smaller number, and other EHA non-board members have expressed frustration with their leaders’ “single-minded focus on residential development.”

 

On multiple occasions Zone has cited threats of litigation by the board of EHA if an attempt is made to rezone Fifth Church from residential to commercial use.

 

Talk about coercion and a storming of the cockpit.   

 

One needs to ask what would make Detroit Shoreway special if the Capital Theatre, Gordon Square Theatre, the Eveready Battery Company Plant (now Battery Park Wine Bar and residential), Baker Electric Motor Vehicle Company (now 78th Street Studios) had all been demolished?

 

With the loss of the once grand Granada Theatre in 1969 (now the site of a Pizza Hut on W. 117th Street and Detroit Avenue) and the loss of the spectacular three-story bath house at Edgewater Park (demolished 1950), the Edgewater neighborhood has only a handful of iconic landmarks remaining.

 

These iconic structures define a “sense of place” for our neighborhood and establish a link to our community’s past. Wiping away such history in a neighborhood is like tearing up photographs of our ancestors. It is destructive to our consciousness and especially to those moving into positions of the stewardship of our neighborhood after us.

 

The construction of fewer than twelve townhomes! This as opposed to a unique landmark redeveloped into a publicly accessible destination attracting thousands of people annually and paving the way for a rebranding of the neighborhood.

 

The equation hardly involves rocket science. A thriving Edgewater should be the goal, and that goes for the entire demographic boundaries of the neighborhood, not just one “exclusive” section.

 

Chick Holtkamp, Niki Zmij and their development team have proposed a creative potential solution not only to try and appease the zoning concerns of the EHA board but also to set in place zoning legislation that would pave the way for other vacant churches located in residential neighborhoods to be adaptively reused.

 

The solution: Introduce a new zoning classification and call it Historic Church District zoning (view draft at www.NeighborsInAction.info). Specific to Fifth Church, the zoning would remain residential but allow the rock climbing and wellness center as a conditional use; however, if the business were to fail, no other commercial business concerns could occupy the space, only residential.

 

Introducing zoning legislation is not uncommon. It has been done before. Council members and the Mayor have the ability to draft and introduce such new legislation, that is, if they have the motivation to do so.

 

One Edgewater neighborhood resident wrote on the Neighbors in Action petition “Ohio City and Gordon Square are not booming by thinking small and demolishing their best architecture.”

 

These neighborhoods and others like University Circle as well as Tremont, where Chick Holtkamp is credited as one of the driving forces behind the area’s successful revitalization, will continue to build upon their historic treasures in a strategic and continuous attempt to attract people and financial gain to their neighborhood.

 

Another neighborhood’s gains will be our neighborhood’s loss.

 

With a lack of nerve or vision for the bigger picture, Edgewater is in danger of becoming more and more of a thoroughfare neighborhood. Don’t believe me? Take a walk down Clifton Boulevard. 

 

And when it comes to one of our neighborhood’s greatest iconic landmarks, Fifth Church of Christ, Scientist, as another resident put it, “Once gone, it will be gone forever.”

 

That same sentiment could very well apply to extraordinary opportunities, too.

 

www.NeighborsInAction.info

Interesting article but makes no mention of how the restoration would be funded or what sort of operations subsidy would be needed. 

I initially opposed the whole notion of another Giant Eagle in my backyard, but it sure as hell beats a Dollar Store or some discount retail shop.  They promise a Giant Eagle Market District (which I GUESS is suppose to be nicer?)

 

The rock climbing thing will get attention for being "new" and somewhat "innovative," but once that news wears off I can't see how this neighborhood, nor the city as a whole, would support this kind of place for the long term.  How many times can I rock climb in a week?  I understand they might provide other things to do there, but with such a saturation of gyms in our area I can't imagine anything support this facility.  If someone said they wanted to turn the church into a restaurant, sure!  Look at what Crop did in Ohio City to that old bank.  Our city certainly goes to restaurants and bars -- but rock climbing facilities?  I think not.

 

I stand firm -- bulldoze the church down, build the townhomes, get the Giant Eagle Market District thing built -- and move this neighborhood forward!

"of another Giant Eagle in my backyard, but it sure as hell beats a Dollar Store "

 

I felt the same way initially till I learned that this is in fact a false dichotomy.  The community is so against a Dollar Store coming in there that the city has done all in it's power to make sure that will not happen.

 

 

I initially opposed the whole notion of another Giant Eagle in my backyard, but it sure as hell beats a Dollar Store or some discount retail shop.  They promise a Giant Eagle Market District (which I GUESS is suppose to be nicer?)

 

The rock climbing thing will get attention for being "new" and somewhat "innovative," but once that news wears off I can't see how this neighborhood, nor the city as a whole, would support this kind of place for the long term.  How many times can I rock climb in a week?  I understand they might provide other things to do there, but with such a saturation of gyms in our area I can't imagine anything support this facility.  If someone said they wanted to turn the church into a restaurant, sure!  Look at what Crop did in Ohio City to that old bank.  Our city certainly goes to restaurants and bars -- but rock climbing facilities?  I think not.

 

I stand firm -- bulldoze the church down, build the townhomes, get the Giant Eagle Market District thing built -- and move this neighborhood forward!

 

I felt the same way, until I learned the business model is actually a community wellness center that includes rock climbing.  They also plan on yoga lessons and classes (hot now) along with other fitness offerings and room rentals for community activities. 

 

If this was paired with something more along the lines of a whole foods or other healthy food store we'd have a real destination corner!

Isn't a Giant Eagle Market District a "destination" Giant Eagle? I think it's a bit more upscale than a regular Giant Eagle and there's not too many of them. I just got this notion from when they built the Solon Giant Eagle Market District wherein I heard people where excited for it and when it opened, I heard compliments on how nice it is and on the available selections (more selections than usual) - which includes demonstrations and a lot of imported foods. I guess it's like having a Whole Foods by Giant Eagle. So I guess it makes sense with the whole community wellness theme...

Isn't a Giant Eagle Market District a "destination" Giant Eagle? I think it's a bit more upscale than a regular Giant Eagle and there's not too many of them. I just got this notion from when they built the Solon Giant Eagle Market District wherein I heard people where excited for it and when it opened, I heard compliments on how nice it is and on the available selections (more selections than usual) - which includes demonstrations and a lot of imported foods. I guess it's like having a Whole Foods by Giant Eagle. So I guess it makes sense with the whole community wellness theme...

 

They could serve me free range chicken and locally grown kale on a silver platter in the register line, and I still wouldn't shop at Giant Eagle.  Horrible selection, prices and people (when you can actually find them and don't have to check out your own groceries).

 

I initially opposed the whole notion of another Giant Eagle in my backyard, but it sure as hell beats a Dollar Store or some discount retail shop.  They promise a Giant Eagle Market District (which I GUESS is suppose to be nicer?)

 

The rock climbing thing will get attention for being "new" and somewhat "innovative," but once that news wears off I can't see how this neighborhood, nor the city as a whole, would support this kind of place for the long term.  How many times can I rock climb in a week?  I understand they might provide other things to do there, but with such a saturation of gyms in our area I can't imagine anything support this facility.  If someone said they wanted to turn the church into a restaurant, sure!  Look at what Crop did in Ohio City to that old bank.  Our city certainly goes to restaurants and bars -- but rock climbing facilities?  I think not.

 

I stand firm -- bulldoze the church down, build the townhomes, get the Giant Eagle Market District thing built -- and move this neighborhood forward!

 

I felt the same way, until I learned the business model is actually a community wellness center that includes rock climbing.  They also plan on yoga lessons and classes (hot now) along with other fitness offerings and room rentals for community activities. 

 

If this was paired with something more along the lines of a whole foods or other healthy food store we'd have a real destination corner!

Visit the Market District in Solon. It is honestly the same, if not better than Whole Foods. I'll be excited to have one close in the core.

^I have a former employee who works at the Market District in Solon as a "cook".  He says 90% of the food is prepared off site and shipped in like most Giant Eagles (they just heat it up).  I know that it not the case with Whole Foods where the food is prepared fresh on site.

Sorry, but the Giant Eagle Market District is many rungs below Whole Foods.  It is also many rungs below Heinen's.

 

I just don't trust a company like Giant Eagle, and the Market District doesn't do anything to change that for me.  Lipstick on a pig.

 

In unrelated Giant Eagle news, I only shop there about once or twice a year to pick something up in a pinch (like when Heinen's and Whole Foods are closed.)  I don't know where my Advantage Card is.  They won't let you do Self Checkout anymore without one, and the "helper" that comes over when you're having trouble makes you give them your phone number, address, and last name to try to look it up.  I have had 2 or 3 cell phone numbers and changed home phone numbers twice and moved twice since I got my Advantage Card (about 15 years ago.)  I couldn't remember what combination of phone number and address it was under.  The lady behind me in line says "if the problem's just that he doesn't have his Advantage Card he can swipe mine."  The "helper" said, "no we don't allow sharing" very rudely to her.  Eventually the "helper" tells me "well, what do you want to do?"  Ummmm, just friggin check out so I can give you money, Giant Eagle!  She finally just put in her secret code so I could check out and told me I had to go to Customer Service and straighten out my Advantage Card.  I had a similar experience on my previous trip to Giant Eagle as well.

 

So I guess Giant Eagle would rather I just avoid them like the plague, which I now plan on doing.

 

^ thank you for sharing what was extremely similar to my most recent - and last ever GE experience. Except there was no "helper" or anyone else really around so I just left 50.00 worth of groceries there for some sad employee to put away or throw out.

 

When I realized I needed their stupid card (MIA since 2010) I was like "what kind of business model is this?"

 

 

^ thank you for sharing what was extremely similar to my most recent - and last ever GE experience. Except there was no "helper" or anyone else really around so I just left 50.00 worth of groceries there for some sad employee to put away or throw out.

 

When I realized I needed their stupid card (MIA since 2010) I was like "what kind of business model is this?"

 

What bothers me is that they don't let you sign up for the card at any of the registers. You have to walk over to customer service. My first time shopping at a giant eagle wasn't exactly an experience that made me want to return. Long lines, not many registers open. Having shopped at Kroger for most of my life, I assumed they'd allow me to sign up right there as they checked me out. Fortunately, I had enough items that I had time to run over to the customer service desk and get a card before the cashier finished, so I avoided paying the marked up prices.

 

Kroger handles this way better, the cards are at the cash registers and they're activated with first use, and you can mail in the registration or register online any time afterwards.

 

Anyways, I suppose a discussion on their business model could be held elsewhere. Just thought I'd add in my displeasure with the shopping experience there.

Yep, we're veering off topic so let's have the grocery business discussion somewhere else. Thanks!

Isn't that land on W 117th owned or at least co-owned or leased from Giant Eagle still?  As much as we'd love Whole Foods, Heinen's, Trader Joe's or another "trendy" grocery store on that corner, Giant Eagle simply wouldn't allow it.  The developer claimed at one of the meetings that he approached Dave's and Heinen's and they rejected it, but later that week the Plain Dealer's article said that Giant Eagle still "controls" that lot, so why would they allow another store to move in there even if they didn't want to build on it?

The church land is owned by the city. The L-shaped parcel along Clifton and West 116th is owned by Carnegie Companies.

The church land is owned by the city. The L-shaped parcel along Clifton and West 116th is owned by Carnegie Companies.

 

This is the article I was thinking about... it says this..

 

"To prevent a competitor from moving in, the grocer placed deed restrictions on the church that make it nearly impossible to build a sizable grocery store on that property or the surrounding land. Those restrictions don't roll off until late 2022. Giant Eagle is the only party that can lift them."

 

So for all of us who wanted a different grocer there, that is why.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/11/giant_eagle_plans_small-format.html

Makes me hate G.Eagle even more. 

The church land is owned by the city. The L-shaped parcel along Clifton and West 116th is owned by Carnegie Companies.

 

This is the article I was thinking about... it says this..

 

"To prevent a competitor from moving in, the grocer placed deed restrictions on the church that make it nearly impossible to build a sizable grocery store on that property or the surrounding land. Those restrictions don't roll off until late 2022. Giant Eagle is the only party that can lift them."

 

So for all of us who wanted a different grocer there, that is why.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/11/giant_eagle_plans_small-format.html

 

Merica!  Home of the "Free" Market!

Well I said I wouldn't post again, but how could I not after this GREAT news :)

 

Cleveland picks Brickhaus townhouse plan for Fifth Church site, setting stage for demolition

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/05/cleveland_picks_brickhaus_town.html#incart_m-rpt-2

 

"A well-known church on Cleveland's West Side will be dismantled and replaced by townhouses and a small park, if all the pieces fall into place for a block-wide redevelopment at the city's western edge."

I'm glad you posted again, and I hope you'll continue to post.

 

And yes, I believe that's very good news.

^ Yeah. This was a good move, considering the options. And equally good to hear the rock gym folks will be seeking out other churches to try out their wellness center concept.

 

I commented that my only wish would be to see more units. This area needs a bit more density to keep these little shops open.

That is the best design in my opinion.

 

And we already have a massive rock gym. I believe that this concept would have had a hard time competing.

A part of me is sad that the building will be demolished, but I still think this was the best (and most viable) option. The entry arch is probably the most beautiful feature of the church, and at least that will remain.

A part of me is sad that the building will be demolished, but I still think this was the best (and most viable) option. The entry arch is probably the most beautiful feature of the church, and at least that will remain.

 

Well we can at least add it to the list of profitable real estate investments made by our leaders.  City and County politicians really make great real estate speculators.  I'm interested to see what they get back for the land after all these years.

Hate to see such a gorgeous landmark destroyed, but I guess there's not many compatible uses for such a large church building and, at this point, after 2 decades of sitting empty, it doesn't appear any will.  The rock climbing thing was a fantasy.  The new housing looks to be nice.  It still stings because a major piece of irreplaceable architecture will be bulldozed and, thus, the neighborhood character diminished.  Damn shame.

There is another huge vacant church on Detroit Ave between the drug mart and taco bell in lakewood. Right across from the library. It's for sale too. They should look into that.

 

There is another huge vacant church on Detroit Ave between the drug mart and taco bell in lakewood. Right across from the library. It's for sale too. They should look into that.

That one was converted into Class A/high B office space about 10 years ago by a scrap broker. Crap hit the fan in 08, dude did a sell-lease back for an influx of capital for way too much money and then went bankrupt. Owner is hellbent on getting his money back. It's been vacant almost 5 years.

 

As far as that corner goes, let's get it done right. That corner has a dense neighborhood and a lot of wealth that commutes by it daily. It should be able to support pretty much anything.

>I'm interested to see what they get back for the land after all these years.

 

They get a land swap from Carnegie that gives them the space to build 11 residential units along Lake and the taxes that will eventually come with them.

 

 

The design is okay...just okay..IMO.  I would love to see the city build some Queens or Brooklyn old style brownstones in this city.  I love the front steps and the style.  I guess modern seems to win out for some reason.

^a little smile here.  cfdwarrior (by the way welcome to the site) complains that the townhouse design is too modern when a few months back a poster was complaining it was too "faux old"  So what is it modern or old?  I guess it is a matter of perception but interesting that two different posters are at two extremes when trying to classify the design.  I am wondering whether that is a good thing or a bad thing?

Sad to see historic buildings go, but there obviously wasn't a viable use or else it wouldn't have sat vacant for decades. 

 

The good news:  new $480k+ housing is coming to the city of Cleveland.

Sad to see historic buildings go, but there obviously wasn't a viable use or else it wouldn't have sat vacant for decades. 

 

The good news:  new $480k+ housing is coming to the city of Cleveland.

 

Makes me wonder what in the world will happen with the Diner on Clifton/Twist building across the street.

^Makes me hope something does happen to the Tick Tock.

^ I wouldn't be the least bit surprised Tick Tock, Papa Nicks, and all of those cool buildings lining Clifton had similar issues as with the departed Johnny Malloys/Gold Coast Diner.

 

I took a picture of the church Tuesday on my morning walk, trying to get some of the detail (more pictures in the photo thread).....

 

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM NEIGHBORS IN ACTION IN RESPONSE TO CITY'S SELECTION OF BRICKHAUS PARTNERS' PROPOSAL

 

Read statement and view list of requests submitted to Cleveland Landmarks Commission.

 

Public hearing set for this Thursday, May 22 (9 a.m.) at City Hall, 601 Lakeside Avenue, Room 519.

 

www.NeighborsinAction.info

Thanks for sticking up for this building.

The real tragedy, of course, is that it sat empty for so long.

Let's hope these ambitious plans for the residences really do make the best of what was once a proud symbol of Cleveland/Lakewood.

I posted a ton of pictures from "The Edge" which is where I take my morning walks, including some pics of the Fifth Church....

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=27241.msg708505#msg708505

" Designs for Giant Eagle Market District Express store, planned for corner of W 116th and Clifton in #CLE. pic.twitter.com/FfGhBeuVU1 "

^ thanks for the pics.  Comments crack me up.

Comments crack me up.

 

The politics of resentment run strong in the comments - Jeez....

Michelle J. McFee @mjarboe  ·  3h

Landmarks Commission OKs certificate of appropriateness for demo/deconstruction of Fifth Church of Christ Scientist in #CLE. Unanimous vote.

 

CPC agenda and graphics......

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2014/05222014/index.php

 

Here's the two-story grocery store....

 

And the Brickhaus townhouse plan dependent on deconstructing the Fifth Church....

 

 

Reminds me of the Cedar Whole Foods.

Wow. It looks much better than I would have guessed. This is going to be a much better looking area between this and the town homes.

Michelle J. McFee @mjarboe  ·  3h

Landmarks Commission OKs certificate of appropriateness for demo/deconstruction of Fifth Church of Christ Scientist in #CLE. Unanimous vote.

 

CPC agenda and graphics......

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2014/05222014/index.php

 

Here's the two-story grocery store....

 

And the Brickhaus townhouse plan dependent on deconstructing the Fifth Church....

 

 

 

Two questions -

 

1) I thought they mentioned outdoor dining on the second floor but I do not see it.

 

2) Will the Starbucks presence here mean the location on Clifton will close I wonder?

This is a million times better than what was initially proposed.

 

 

More.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the interior of the church. Very sad.....