April 26, 20169 yr Finally! http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2016/04282016/index.php 1. Case 16-018 Clifton-West Boulevard Historic District Lucky's Market 11620 Clifton Boulevard New construction Case 16-019 Clifton-West Boulevard Historic District Shoppes on Clifton 11604-36 Clifton Boulevard Building B Concept Plan Ward 15 Zone Steven Duffy Irene Eshak Cuhaci & Peterson Architects Brian Fabo Deirdre Salois Carnegie Companies REPORT 1. Case 14-016 Fifth Church of Christ, Scientist 11625 Lake Avenue Deconstruction, demolition, and documentation Shoppes on Clifton: "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 27, 20169 yr An advertorial, but with some news: groundbreaking will occur Thursday.... 95 Lake Luxury Ecohomes Offer Modern Design And Lakefront Living In The Heart of Cleveland http://lakewoodobserver.com/read/2016/04/26/95-lake-luxury-ecohomes-offer-modern-design-and-lakefront-living "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 27, 20169 yr ^ Ive heard a Dollar Bank and a great clips at one point. Not sure if they are still on the docket
April 27, 20169 yr ^ Ive heard a Dollar Bank and a great clips at one point. Not sure if they are still on the docket Meh. Would love to see a neighborhood hang spot. Something akin to BW3 or Paninis. I'd also love to see 4 stories on top of the Lucky's, but that's for another city somewhere....
April 30, 20169 yr From today's Cadwell Snippets e-newsletter (still no groundbreaking date!).... LUCKY'S MARKET AND SHOPPES ON CLIFTON RECEIVE GREEN LIGHT FROM CITY LANDMARKS COMMISSION On Thursday, April 29th, the proposed Lucky's Market at West 116th and Clifton received a favorable review from the Landmarks Commission and is one step closer to starting construction. Additionally, the conceptual footprint for the "B" building and site plan also were favorably reviewed. The Clifton Boulevard/West Boulevard Local Design Review had approved the Lucky's Market design earlier in the month and sent its approval to Donald Petit of the Landmarks Commission kicking off the formal process last Thursday. Signage and graphics will require further clarification and refinement by the Local Design Review. The Lucky's Market will be about 27,000 sq.ft. of fresh produce, meats, bakery along with outdoor displays and indoor cafe. Carnegie Companies, property owner, presented the concept of the placement of the 3,000 sq.ft. "B" building with several tenants and outdoor seating. Other amenities were shared and approved. Deconstruction and demolition of the Fifth Church of Christ Scientist that had been approved by the Commission some time ago was discussed in detail and the Commission received the structure analysis that had been prepared by W.R. Restoration under contract with the city of Cleveland. Still to be reviewed and approved are the Brickhaus proposed townhomes fronting on Lake Avenue. A Red Letter day in our 30 year saga of the Fifth Church of Christ Scientist. ### "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 2, 20169 yr I wouldn't consider Lucky's to be low-end. But it has been a long time coming. The one in Columbus is fantastic. All the vegans and granola heads of Clintonville go there.
May 2, 20169 yr Former Clintonvillain of 5 years here, we were very happy with Lucky's Market. Even though we did most of our grocery shopping at Kroger/Giant Eagle, Lucky's fresh house made sausages rocked. Also Lucky's seemed to make a serious effort to locally source their products. And they have sales where some product will be a loss leader to get you in the doors, I.e. 50c PEI Oysters. The physical layout of the Columbus one vs the W117 one, the W117 one will be better as it's street front. Columbus was set back 100 feet with parking in front, in a strip mall with a Tim Horton's drive through. Not comfortable to walk or bike to. P.S. Instead of vegan/granola, I prefer "crunchy".
May 3, 20169 yr http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2016/05062016/index.php Cleveland Planning Commission Agenda for May 6, 2016 MANDATORY REFERRALS Ordinance No. 295-16(Ward 15/Councilmember Zone): To levy special assessments to relay and repair sidewalks, (including adjustments of castings, if necessary) encroaching upon the public right-of-way on Clifton Boulevard from West 115th Street to Lake Avenue. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 3, 20169 yr Signs are up for the new townhouses that will replace and be built from some of the materials of the Fifth Church of Christ Scientist that's been vacant for 26 years. Here are some photos from this morning. 20160603_065403-1 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr 20160603_065423 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr 20160603_065249 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr 20160603_065132 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr 20160603_065211 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr 20160603_065054 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 9, 20169 yr http://www.passovgroup.com/pressreleases/ Fusian, a fast casual sushi restaurant, has leased 1,800 SF at The Shoppes on Clifton located at W. 116th and Clifton, Cleveland, OH. David Stein represented the landlord on this lease. Love Fusian, excellent fast casual Sushi from Columbus. Very tasty with reasonable prices and good quality.
June 19, 20168 yr Landmark Deli is who will replace the Clifton Diner at the corner of West 117th Street and Clifton Boulevard. They have a sign up in the old diner space and they had a booth at yesterday's Clifton Arts & Music Fest (which was a lot better than last year's, BTW). I spoke to one Landmark Deli's people and they said they hope to be open by the end of summer (August/September) but no firm date yet. The guy told me their hours which sounded strange -- roughly 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. yet they will serve breakfast. Kind of a late start for breakfast, but I also have noticed that local diners don't start getting busy until 9 a.m. anyway, so maybe they're on to something.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 20168 yr I realize replacing Fifth Church is inevitable and, I guess, unavoidable. I still hate losing such monumental and beautiful piece of architecture. Cities lose a piece of themselves when buildings like these are destroyed. And no, incorporating some of the Church's elements into the townhouses isn't the same.
June 20, 20168 yr I mean, groups had 20+ years to do something with it. It's really only ornamental outside; the inside was stripped bare many years ago.
June 20, 20168 yr I mean, groups had 20+ years to do something with it. It's really only ornamental outside; the inside was stripped bare many years ago. Only one group had responsibility for it in recent years and allowed this to happen. This city wants to solve all its blight problems with bulldozers. Whenever I talk with someone involved in blight abatement, they make this philosophy very clear. Historical architecture is not assigned much value, if any. All value is placed on creating open lots, as many and as quickly as possible, which admittedly is a lot simpler than enforcing building codes. This building is more than ornamental, and losing it degrades the architectural character of the whole area.
June 21, 20168 yr ^ absolutely agree. the iconic church has always reminded me of the octagon on roosevelt island, which looks about the same and was in very similar decrepit shape. the developers there chose to rehab it as part of their project. i dk if they were forced to by historical designation or not, but they did it. it really is a similar looking bldg and was in a very similar situation. you can see the results here: http://www.octagonnyc.com/ edit: just to show the difference from the website, here is the octagon pre-redevelopment in 2005. thx to forgottenny, although i hv a few photos somewhere myself:
June 30, 20168 yr OK, what's going on here with the Fifth Church? Is this the beginning of the end?? Across the street, renovations are underway on the former Clifton Diner, to become the Landmark Deli.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 30, 20168 yr OK, what's going on here with the Fifth Church? Is this the beginning of the end?? Yes, demolition is starting. And surprise, surprise many of the architectural elements the developer was planning to include in the townhomes are "too far gone and too expense" to salvage. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/06/look_inside_clevelands_fifth_c.html
June 30, 20168 yr There's a half-dozen cars parked in the lot for the soon-to-be Lucky's grocery store, which crews have begun clearing of underbrush (again). Several demolition vehicles are at the corner of West 117th and Lake, poking away at the church. I'm glad my wife got to see this neighborhood icon before it's lost forever. It's been part of my experience here for 20 years. She's been here from Ukraine only two months. She doesn't understand how or why Americans are so quick to demolish buildings -- be they new or old. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 30, 20168 yr There's a half-dozen cars parked in the lot for the soon-to-be Lucky's grocery store, which crews have begun clearing of underbrush (again). Several demolition vehicles are at the corner of West 117th and Lake, poking away at the church. I'm glad my wife got to see this neighborhood icon before it's lost forever. It's been part of my experience here for 20 years. She's been here from Ukraine only two months. She doesn't understand how or why Americans are so quick to demolish buildings -- be they new or old. Take her to a few Wal Marts...
July 22, 20168 yr From today's Cudell Snippets e-mail newsletter.. __________ FIFTH CHURCH OF CHRIST SCIENTIST NEWS Due to heavy interest from neighborhood residents, Councilman Zone has been working closely with the Mayor's Office to craft a way for the roof tiles to be made available to those who would like to own one. With the use of a higher lift that is attempting to remove the lantern on the top of the church roof, more of the tiles have become accessible for removal. Proceeds from the sale of the roof tiles would be used to help fund the public green space at the northwest corner of the site where the town homes will be constructed. Each roof tile is unique as each is numbered and sized for its placement in the roof design. Currently the project is in a holding pattern awaiting First Energy to remove electrical wires that are making use of the higher lift dangerous. The Time Capsule has been found and recovered from behind, and embedded in, the 1926 date stone. The sealed copper box is now in a secure location. The date stone is still on site. Councilman Zone is working with professionals on the proper process for the handling, unveiling and permanent storage of the contents. The anticipated unveiling of the contents of the Time Capsule will be in the next 60 days. Watch for more news here. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 26, 20168 yr Rockport Townhouses going up.... 20160726_101509 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr 20160726_095937 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr 20160726_095944-1 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 26, 20168 yr In the first pic you can see the repaired cornice on Shore Restaurant that collapsed least year.
July 28, 20168 yr In the first pic you can see the repaired cornice on Shore Restaurant that collapsed least year. Here's the parapet wall that collapsed. In talking with owners Tina and Angelo yesterday, they said they were able to recover some of the details and located some craftsmen to make duplicates of those details and restored the parapet exactly the way it was. It makes me happy that some people still care about the little things.... And Tina & Angelo's commercial strip that began with them starting The Shore restaurant not long after they came over from Greece in 1981 doesn't look so lonely anymore. This is the first section of Rockport Square townhouses yesterday morning... By afternoon they had the third floor well underway. Glad to see these will be three floors and built up to the sidewalk... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 5, 20168 yr Unfortunately the trees in that last photo were all cut down. I hope they will replaced soon. Cudell Improvement's newsletter came out today and reported on some new businesses in their area.... COMMERCIAL NEWS Several new businesses are coming to the Cudell/Edgewater area: LG STYLE STUDIO, 11102 Detroit Avenue in the EDGE District of Detroit Owner Lillian Gray is remodeling the interior in preparation of opening soon. Watch for details of opening and services in the near future. WEST OF VENUS - VINTAGE, 10024 Lorain Avenue in the Lorain Station Historic District Well presented furniture and high quality home decorating accents. Stop in to see Barb and Mike. **Congratulations to Kathy Keating Kudravy, longtime neighborhood resident, on her new adventure as a broker for Keller Williams Realtors. Much success, Kathy! **Glad to note Waverly Willis, owner of Urban Kutz Barber Shop, is back after surgery. **The new Starbucks is slated to open in the former Charter One Bank space at West 116th and Clifton in several weeks. Watch for Grand Opening news. Does this look like Starbucks is "several weeks" from opening? If true, they must be fast workers! BTW that doesn't look like Starbucks Coffee on the board at lower-right.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 6, 20168 yr I hate to see those trees cut down. I'm just going to guess that it has something to do with the roots? I would think some more mature trees right outside the windows would be a nice selling point. I know I would really like them there if I were looking to buy one of those units.
August 7, 20168 yr That cup is from the EZ Shop down the street :D My friend used to boast about the "amazing" 5.00 bottles of wine he'd buy there each day!
August 13, 20168 yr From the rumor mill: 1. Lucky's grocery store may not happen. Instead the entire block bounded by Clifton, West 117th, Lake and West 116th may become housing instead. However this may be a Plan B in case the city's $15 minimum wage becomes law. Dave's supermarkets are making similar threats, that it has put on hold all expansion plans pending the outcome of the minimum wage proposal. 2. Clifton Diner isn't going into the closed PNC bank at Clifton and West 115th. The current owner wants $500,000 for the property. It will take nearly $500,000 to turn the bank into a restaurant including removing the vault. Instead, Clifton Diner is looking at the first floor of the Clifton Medical Building which also has the Huntington Bank branch at Clifton and Hird in Lakewood. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 14, 20168 yr FYI, this building Lakewood at Clifton and Hird (and this corner of it) is what Clifton Diner is reportedly interested moving into... 20160813_081447 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 14, 20168 yr FYI, this building Lakewood at Clifton and Hird (and this corner of it) is what Clifton Diner is reportedly interested moving into... 20160813_081447 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr I'm glad the Diner is still staying in the area, but sorry it is moving off the strip which tends to scatter retail around. It's location at W. 117 was cool. Hope it works.
August 14, 20168 yr From the rumor mill: 1. Lucky's grocery store may not happen. Instead the entire block bounded by Clifton, West 117th, Lake and West 116th may become housing instead. However this may be a Plan B in case the city's $15 minimum wage becomes law. Dave's supermarkets are making similar threats, that it has put on hold all expansion plans pending the outcome of the minimum wage proposal. 2. Clifton Diner isn't going into the closed PNC bank at Clifton and West 115th. The current owner wants $500,000 for the property. It will take nearly $500,000 to turn the bank into a restaurant including removing the vault. Instead, Clifton Diner is looking at the first floor of the Clifton Medical Building which also has the Huntington Bank branch at Clifton and Hird in Lakewood. Cleveland City Council voted down the $15/hour minimum wage the other day, although this may not be the end of the $15/hour debate . What specific threats are Dave's making? This is troubling. Also, we saw a supermarket pull out of the Van Aken development plan but for other reasons. Is this a pattern or merely coincidence?
August 14, 20168 yr Cleveland City Council voted down the $15/hour minimum wage the other day, although this may not be the end of the $15/hour debate . What specific threats are Dave's making? This is troubling. Also, we saw a supermarket pull out of the Van Aken development plan but for other reasons. Is this a pattern or merely coincidence? Turns out we didn't have a Cleveland minimum wage thread. Now we do.... http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,30836.0.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 14, 20168 yr ^Thanks, KJP! Please direct all minimum wage discussion to that thread, everybody.
August 15, 20168 yr FYI, this building Lakewood at Clifton and Hird (and this corner of it) is what Clifton Diner is reportedly interested moving into... 20160813_081447 by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr Really? In my opinion, that's a big downgrade. There is almost no activity on this section of Clifton. Weren't they previously considering the former PNC bank building at Clifton and 115th? Why did they change their minds?
August 15, 20168 yr From the rumor mill: 1. Lucky's grocery store may not happen. Instead the entire block bounded by Clifton, West 117th, Lake and West 116th may become housing instead. However this may be a Plan B in case the city's $15 minimum wage becomes law. Dave's supermarkets are making similar threats, that it has put on hold all expansion plans pending the outcome of the minimum wage proposal. 2. Clifton Diner isn't going into the closed PNC bank at Clifton and West 115th. The current owner wants $500,000 for the property. It will take nearly $500,000 to turn the bank into a restaurant including removing the vault. Instead, Clifton Diner is looking at the first floor of the Clifton Medical Building which also has the Huntington Bank branch at Clifton and Hird in Lakewood. ^
August 29, 20168 yr Looks like more serious demolition of the Fifth Church of Christ Scientist is starting, possibly with the cupola being removed. This is the view from my condo three blocks away... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 29, 20168 yr I missed the Cudell Snippets e-newsletter on Friday. Didn't see the enigmatic last sentence until today... NEW STARBUCKS TO OPEN IN MID SEPTEMBER Well you've seen the new signage and the drive thru being constructed. Now the parking lot is being finished - all with the goal of a Grand Opening in mid September. Watch for details soon about another big Clifton Boulevard investment. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 31, 20168 yr Some items were being removed from the Starbucks' location at Clifton/West 115th today. Don't know if all of it will be moved to the new site one block west. Kind of doubt it, because you don't need a big truck for that. Lots of other building renovations occurring at/near The Edge of Cleveland/Lakewood, including my condo building. Then, at Clifton at West 112th is this facade rehab including brick tuckpointing and replacement of the Georgian-style columns/porches (like those seen at left): And the deconstruction of the Fifth Church continues. They're working a lot inside the church, but also outside too. Note that the decorative upper corners of the church entry facade were removed: "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 1, 20168 yr Some items were being removed from the Starbucks' location at Clifton/West 115th today. Don't know if all of it will be moved to the new site one block west. Kind of doubt it, because you don't need a big truck for that. There is my old POS apartment to the left, owned by a POS landlord who can't be bothered to tuckpoint the east wall (it leaks right on in) or the roof (it leaks right on down). Or the electrical wiring that's gleefully awful. As for the truck - that looks like a delivery truck. One would either block the bus stop or block the Starbucks exit.
September 1, 20168 yr Some items were being removed from the Starbucks' location at Clifton/West 115th today. Don't know if all of it will be moved to the new site one block west. Kind of doubt it, because you don't need a big truck for that. There is my old POS apartment to the left, owned by a POS landlord who can't be bothered to tuckpoint the east wall (it leaks right on in) or the roof (it leaks right on down). Or the electrical wiring that's gleefully awful. As for the truck - that looks like a delivery truck. One would either block the bus stop or block the Starbucks exit. It's also a Reefer truck, which they wouldn't be using to move anything. I stopped in their last week and the barista said September 22 is the new store opening date.
September 1, 20168 yr The Edge is one of the cooler nabes in Greater CLE but for some reason CLE+ doesn't list it (in it's tour book or on those downtown maps around Public Square) as one of the "it" neighborhoods, like D-S, Ohio City, Shaker Square, U. Circle ... even West Park. I wonder why? Not only is it hip, it's rich (the richest in Cleveland) and with the Lake and Edgewater Park thrown in ... and, of course, STARBUCKS! Nothing screams "it" like having a Starbucks... Glad to see all the renovation going on to the old brownstone apt buildings in the area; many are classic esp along Clifton. Mixed in with the old Victorian houses (and rowhouses), they add a nice flavor to the area... When I was in the area earlier this summer, I was happy to finally see one of those extension cranes sitting in front of that beautiful old Gothic-y apt building on W. 112 1-block south of Detroit signaling renovation... It's a beautiful and substantial building, but has been boarded up for years. It just shows that RE interest and improvement is coming to the southern portion of Edgewater as well: a district that has long been felt to be Edgewater's rougher side.
September 1, 20168 yr BTW, the model building at the new Rockport Square townhouse development (shown earlier) is coming along. I forgot to post a photo of the brick facade which has some nice detail in the brickwork. Unfortunately the brick doesn't go all the around to the back.... Here's the back, including the old fire station which serves as an office/staging area for Rockport Square.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 1, 20168 yr ^No brick around the backside!? Sounds a little cheesy esp given the nice look of the fronts of those buildings... Love the old fire station, esp the classic red tile roof.
September 1, 20168 yr The Edge is one of the cooler nabes in Greater CLE but for some reason CLE+ doesn't list it (in it's tour book or on those downtown maps around Public Square) as one of the "it" neighborhoods, like D-S, Ohio City, Shaker Square, U. Circle ... even West Park. I wonder why? Not only is it hip, it's rich (the richest in Cleveland) and with the Lake and Edgewater Park thrown in ... and, of course, STARBUCKS! Nothing screams "it" like having a Starbucks... Part of it is in Lakewood so there's no combined promotion. It's all one big walkable happy place, but it's technically several neighborhoods in two cities, with the border street tying everything together. Edgewater, The Edge, Gold Coast, Birdtown, Cudell, and "Highland Square" which may involve Detroit or Madison it's never quite clear. There's no consistent branding and no entity charged with treating it as a thing. And it's still the coolest part of town, with a full range of nightlife and a half dozen live music venues, plus its own skyline. Promotion on the Lakewood side centers on Birdtown with its distinct branding. There's no apparent interest in tying Birdtown to anything across the line or toward the lake. The Cleveland side considers Edgewater a part of Cudell, which extends down to the Lorain/Denison area, which definitely needs more help. Edgewater has stronger ties to Lakewood than to Cudell but the political setup makes coordination difficult. For good urban living I recommend it to everyone, I just don't know what to call it except "Anything around 117th north of the tracks... no, the other tracks."
September 1, 20168 yr My sister just moved into one of the high rises in the Gold Coast. I'm making plans to come up and visit, and I'm excited to explore the area. Her lake and city view are incredible, so it's good to hear that there is lots to do at ground level too.
September 1, 20168 yr The Edge is one of the cooler nabes in Greater CLE but for some reason CLE+ doesn't list it (in it's tour book or on those downtown maps around Public Square) as one of the "it" neighborhoods, like D-S, Ohio City, Shaker Square, U. Circle ... even West Park. I wonder why? Not only is it hip, it's rich (the richest in Cleveland) and with the Lake and Edgewater Park thrown in ... and, of course, STARBUCKS! Nothing screams "it" like having a Starbucks... Part of it is in Lakewood so there's no combined promotion. It's all one big walkable happy place, but it's technically several neighborhoods in two cities, with the border street tying everything together. Edgewater, The Edge, Gold Coast, Birdtown, Cudell, and "Highland Square" which may involve Detroit or Madison it's never quite clear. There's no consistent branding and no entity charged with treating it as a thing. And it's still the coolest part of town, with a full range of nightlife and a half dozen live music venues, plus its own skyline. Promotion on the Lakewood side centers on Birdtown with its distinct branding. There's no apparent interest in tying Birdtown to anything across the line or toward the lake. The Cleveland side considers Edgewater a part of Cudell, which extends down to the Lorain/Denison area, which definitely needs more help. Edgewater has stronger ties to Lakewood than to Cudell but the political setup makes coordination difficult. For good urban living I recommend it to everyone, I just don't know what to call it except "Anything around 117th north of the tracks... no, the other tracks." I get you 327, but if they had to, couldn't CLE+ at least promote the Cleveland side? ... btw, I don't believe in idea that Cleveland neighborhood promotions shouldn't just end at the border. So what if you include great urban areas like the Lakewood Gold Coast or downtown Lakewood, or CH's Coventry, Cedar-Lee or Cedar Fairmount? ... Those maps are weird since they even cut parts of Cleveland off... they don't even show the entire Rapid system. I wonder who's idea this is.
September 6, 20168 yr I had sort of been curious on the Edge naming, I live not far from it (a stone's throw from Lakewood city hall), but hadn't heard much of it besides on here, some older maps; and perhaps an apartment building or 2. Perhaps I need to get out more ;) Like mentioned above, if it's across 2 municipal boundaries and it doesn't have extremely distinct assets that would get the city (imho, I think the city of Cleveland is more likely to just keep it as a part of Edgewater in their statistical planning areas, and Lakewood isn't including it), nor a single CDC that covers it, it will lose its identity unless there's real organic usage by local businesses, and other stakeholders there. (You can draw its boundaries at my crowdsourced neighbourhood map too - http://skorasaur.us/nh/ )
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