I almost pulled the trigger and bought a pair of these for November. Two tickets round trip for  $156 was very tempting. From what I've heard about Allegiant it seems like it's a bit like the Chinatown bus of the skies, though - is that a fair comparison?

 

Well at least the Chinatown bus gets you into the city, where you can then ride public transportation to a friend's house or to a hotel.  The problem with these low-cost carriers is that they often put you down at some mystery airport, where you then might face a long and possibly expensive cab ride to wherever you are going.  The cab ride can rival or even exceed the cost of these airline tickets. 

 

Also, I shudder to think what the airlines are charging now for people who bring large amounts of stuff on a flight.  For example, a bunch of gear for a backpacking trip or a triathlon bike. 

 

For me, it wasn't a hard decision because I was renting a car anyway, and the Phoenix-Mesa Airport isn't too far out of the way.

I almost pulled the trigger and bought a pair of these for November. Two tickets round trip for  $156 was very tempting. From what I've heard about Allegiant it seems like it's a bit like the Chinatown bus of the skies, though - is that a fair comparison?

 

Well at least the Chinatown bus gets you into the city, where you can then ride public transportation to a friend's house or to a hotel.  The problem with these low-cost carriers is that they often put you down at some mystery airport, where you then might face a long and possibly expensive cab ride to wherever you are going.  The cab ride can rival or even exceed the cost of these airline tickets. 

 

Also, I shudder to think what the airlines are charging now for people who bring large amounts of stuff on a flight.  For example, a bunch of gear for a backpacking trip or a triathlon bike. 

 

 

 

Yeah that last time I went to NYC I took the Chinatown bus and had no problems with it, aside from it being a bit late on the return trip. On the other end of the spectrum, I have also taken the Ultimate Air Shuttle for work and it dumps you down way out in Morristown, NJ. They tack on a $70 fee to shuttle you to Penn Station (round trip so it beats a cab by a long shot but still takes forever).

The problem with these low-cost carriers is that they often put you down at some mystery airport, where you then might face a long and possibly expensive cab ride to wherever you are going.  The cab ride can rival or even exceed the cost of these airline tickets. 

 

It's not just the low-cost carriers.  Delta once tried to connect me through New York...  into LaGuardia and out of JFK 90 minutes later.  How is that even considered a connecting flight?

 

There are shuttle services that go between LGA and JFK about once every 30 minutes. Even with a cab on the spot it takes about 20-45 minutes between the airports depending on Van Wyck traffic.

 

Delta should be ashamed of themselves offering that kind of "connection", especially if it was international out of JFK.

I almost pulled the trigger and bought a pair of these for November. Two tickets round trip for  $156 was very tempting. From what I've heard about Allegiant it seems like it's a bit like the Chinatown bus of the skies, though - is that a fair comparison?

 

Well at least the Chinatown bus gets you into the city, where you can then ride public transportation to a friend's house or to a hotel.  The problem with these low-cost carriers is that they often put you down at some mystery airport, where you then might face a long and possibly expensive cab ride to wherever you are going.  The cab ride can rival or even exceed the cost of these airline tickets. 

 

 

My buddies liked Hooters Air out of Rickenbacker, but they lived less than a mile from it. Not many people live close to Rickenbacker.

I almost pulled the trigger and bought a pair of these for November. Two tickets round trip for  $156 was very tempting. From what I've heard about Allegiant it seems like it's a bit like the Chinatown bus of the skies, though - is that a fair comparison?

 

Well at least the Chinatown bus gets you into the city, where you can then ride public transportation to a friend's house or to a hotel.  The problem with these low-cost carriers is that they often put you down at some mystery airport, where you then might face a long and possibly expensive cab ride to wherever you are going.  The cab ride can rival or even exceed the cost of these airline tickets. 

 

Also, I shudder to think what the airlines are charging now for people who bring large amounts of stuff on a flight.  For example, a bunch of gear for a backpacking trip or a triathlon bike. 

 

 

 

Yeah that last time I went to NYC I took the Chinatown bus and had no problems with it, aside from it being a bit late on the return trip. On the other end of the spectrum, I have also taken the Ultimate Air Shuttle for work and it dumps you down way out in Morristown, NJ. They tack on a $70 fee to shuttle you to Penn Station (round trip so it beats a cab by a long shot but still takes forever).

 

 

Once I discovered the Chinatown bus I never went back to riding Amtrak to NYC, except for one time when I was sick.  At the time it was $65 one-way for Amtrak vs. $20 for Chinatown.  There was always an element of unpredictability with the Chinatown bus -- one time I was the only guy on it traveling from Boston to NYC.  Another time it was full, but the guy next to me was wearing a suit, and refused to sit back in the seat.  I assume that he was trying to avoid getting his jacket wrinkled, but in that case I don't understand why he didn't just take the jacket off. 

 

 

 

 

Delta should be ashamed of themselves offering that kind of "connection", especially if it was international out of JFK.

 

It was, and they should have been.  Needless to say, I chose a flight with a less convenient departure time (but with a connection through Atlanta) because I was almost certain to miss that connection in NY.

Delta should be ashamed of themselves offering that kind of "connection", especially if it was international out of JFK.

 

It was, and they should have been.  Needless to say, I chose a flight with a less convenient departure time (but with a connection through Atlanta) because I was almost certain to miss that connection in NY.

 

 

Speaking of connections, the non-stop to Paris still exists and costs about $1200 RT.  So if you're going to Paris that's obviously the way to go, especially since the departure times are so convenient coming and going.  But if you then have to connect in Europe to go somewhere else, you're going to be a jet-lagged zombie strolling around that airport at 8am.  My dad gave me his frequent flier miles for graduation and I had two connections before I got to Paris.  I thought I was in some sort of weird dream walking around Frankfurt's airport at 6am by myself.  It then got a lot weirder when I got on an almost-empty Air France flight with that weird music they play and the women dressed in outfits that looked like they were leftover from the Montreal Olympics. 

 

 

Frontier plans new CVG flights

Jul 19, 2016, 7:08am EDT Updated Jul 19, 2016, 9:34am EDT

 

Frontier Airlines is adding three new winter destinations from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport.

 

The ultra-low-cost carrier will add seasonal flights from CVG to Tampa, Fort Lauderdale and Cancun later this year.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/07/19/frontier-plans-new-cvg-flights.html

Rather BIG news is upcoming in terms of a new flight to CVG (I sourced this news from the airliners.net website, which is great).  I follow CVG closely and wasn't expecting this one at all:

 

Starting in early June 2017 (Thursday the 8th to be exact), United is adding a daily non-stop to SFO.  10:50 AM departure out of SFO, 6:10 arrival at CVG, 7 PM departure back out of CVG, with a 9:20 arrival at SFO.

 

Currently, Frontier and Delta are both flying CVG-SFO, but both are doing it at less than daily levels.

 

As of today, United has no mainline service into CVG.  But that changes in October 2016: mainline flights to both ORD and DEN.  Then, this SFO flight will make three.

 

Of note, United is also starting a non-stop DTW-SFO in June 2017.  DTW is a Delta hub, of course, and DTW-SFO is a route where Delta has a monopoly on the non-stops.  We'll see how Atlanta reacts to United being more aggressive in the CVG and DTW markets.

Frontier plans new CVG flights

Jul 19, 2016, 7:08am EDT Updated Jul 19, 2016, 9:34am EDT

 

Frontier Airlines is adding three new winter destinations from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport.

 

When I read the first sentence of this i was so excited.  My hopes were for Bozeman, Jackson and Rutland/Killington.

 

The ultra-low-cost carrier will add seasonal flights from CVG to Tampa, Fort Lauderdale and Cancun later this year.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/07/19/frontier-plans-new-cvg-flights.html

 

I was disappointed.

I just want solid reliable service between anywhere in NYC/Newark to Cincinnati for something remotely affordable. I just flew back to Cincy on Friday to pick up all my furniture and such before my condo closes on Thursday and my one way flight was $450. It wasn't bought at the ideal time, but it wasn't last minute. That's absurd and should never happen.

Rather BIG news is upcoming in terms of a new flight to CVG (I sourced this news from the airliners.net website, which is great).  I follow CVG closely and wasn't expecting this one at all:

 

Starting in early June 2017 (Thursday the 8th to be exact), United is adding a daily non-stop to SFO.  10:50 AM departure out of SFO, 6:10 arrival at CVG, 7 PM departure back out of CVG, with a 9:20 arrival at SFO.

 

Currently, Frontier and Delta are both flying CVG-SFO, but both are doing it at less than daily levels.

 

As of today, United has no mainline service into CVG.  But that changes in October 2016: mainline flights to both ORD and DEN.  Then, this SFO flight will make three.

 

Of note, United is also starting a non-stop DTW-SFO in June 2017.  DTW is a Delta hub, of course, and DTW-SFO is a route where Delta has a monopoly on the non-stops.  We'll see how Atlanta reacts to United being more aggressive in the CVG and DTW markets.

 

Where was this, I never saw a press release on this?

 

These low cost carriers are not any cheaper then any other airline. Once they nickel and dime you to death they end of being more or about the same as any other airline. The only advantage they have is that all of the flights are direct, which is nice since you can rarely get a direct flight any where out of CVG these days.

^Exactly.  That's a HUGE plus.

^ I saw the United flight press release from the Biz Courier. Great news for CVG

I just want solid reliable service between anywhere in NYC/Newark to Cincinnati for something remotely affordable. I just flew back to Cincy on Friday to pick up all my furniture and such before my condo closes on Thursday and my one way flight was $450. It wasn't bought at the ideal time, but it wasn't last minute. That's absurd and should never happen.

 

I think $300 is about the cheapest I've seen flights to NYC from Cincy. When Ultimate Air Shuttle out of Lunken Airport has their buy-one, get-one free deals they are competitive with the going rates for CVG to NYC, which is a bit crazy if you think about it. The only problem is they land way out in Morristown, NJ and you have to get lucky with traffic to make it into NYC in the morning.

Said article: United plans new CVG flight

 

United Airlines (NYSE: UAL) is adding a West Coast destination from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport.

 

The carrier will add a nonstop flight from CVG to San Francisco starting June 8, 2017. San Francisco becomes the sixth nonstop market from CVG for United, which also serves Denver; New York-Newark; Washington, D.C.; Houston and Chicago (O’Hare).

I just want solid reliable service between anywhere in NYC/Newark to Cincinnati for something remotely affordable. I just flew back to Cincy on Friday to pick up all my furniture and such before my condo closes on Thursday and my one way flight was $450. It wasn't bought at the ideal time, but it wasn't last minute. That's absurd and should never happen.

 

I think $300 is about the cheapest I've seen flights to NYC from Cincy. When Ultimate Air Shuttle out of Lunken Airport has their buy-one, get-one free deals they are competitive with the going rates for CVG to NYC, which is a bit crazy if you think about it. The only problem is they land way out in Morristown, NJ and you have to get lucky with traffic to make it into NYC in the morning.

 

To give an idea of how crazy expensive some flights to and from Cincinnati can get, I'll be purchasing a ticket for a trip to Tokyo in March. The cost roundtrip before taxes and fees? $648. On an airline that doesn't then nickle and dime you for carry-on luggage and such.

 

So for $478 I got a one-way ticket from Laguardia to CVG. And for $170 more than that I'll get a roundtrip ticket to Tokyo.

 

This is a problem for a city that's trying to grab businesses and grow its economy.

$648 for a trip from the US to Tokyo is not normal, though. That's an insane bargain.

I paid $900 to go from CVG to Alabama once on short notice (though that was round trip) I agree that the $678 seems way low for any US airport to Tokyo. What is the total after fees and taxes? I fly from CVG to Taiwan every year and can get round trip tickets well in advance for around $900.

CVG-NYC round-trip is usually around $350. 

 

The weird thing about flying to Asia is that Taiwan seems to be consistently cheaper than Korea or Japan, even though some flights to Taiwan connect in Seoul or Tokyo.

 

Also, you sometimes see Turkey's airline offer cheaper flights to those same Asian countries even though you fly the opposite direction around the globe, travel several thousand miles farther, and connect in Istanbul.  Plus, you fly over Siberia, which is much scarier in my mind than the Pacific Ocean. 

 

 

 

 

My flights for work are always ridiculously expensive, especially if you have short notice (less than two weeks). I have paid as much as $1000 to fly to Chicago and $1200 to fly to Seattle when purchased a week or so in advance. My flights to Florida would usually be in the $450 range when bought a few weeks in advance.

My flights for work are always ridiculously expensive, especially if you have short notice (less than two weeks). I have paid as much as $1000 to fly to Chicago and $1200 to fly to Seattle when purchased a week or so in advance. My flights to Florida would usually be in the $450 range when bought a few weeks in advance.

 

In another industry it's called surge pricing and everyone thinks it's cute and funny. 

Yeah that Tokyo deal has been going on all year from Chicago as well. Still doesn't excuse how darn expensive cvg is.

 

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$648 for a trip from the US to Tokyo is not normal, though. That's an insane bargain.

 

Meh, I paid $360 round-trip from Chicago O'Hare to Tokyo Narita this year.  God bless ANA.

CVG-NYC round-trip is usually around $350. 

 

The weird thing about flying to Asia is that Taiwan seems to be consistently cheaper than Korea or Japan, even though some flights to Taiwan connect in Seoul or Tokyo.

 

Also, you sometimes see Turkey's airline offer cheaper flights to those same Asian countries even though you fly the opposite direction around the globe, travel several thousand miles farther, and connect in Istanbul.  Plus, you fly over Siberia, which is much scarier in my mind than the Pacific Ocean. 

 

 

The cheapest flights from CVG to Taiwan have always been cheaper than flights to Tokyo or Seoul, despite the fact that they have always gone through one of those two airports. I have no idea what the logic is behind that. I'm looking at Google Flights right now and CVG to TPE is $300 cheaper than CVG to NRT despite the fact that the first two legs of CVG to TPE are the exact same flights as the CVG to NRT trip.

CVG-NYC round-trip is usually around $350. 

 

The weird thing about flying to Asia is that Taiwan seems to be consistently cheaper than Korea or Japan, even though some flights to Taiwan connect in Seoul or Tokyo.

 

Also, you sometimes see Turkey's airline offer cheaper flights to those same Asian countries even though you fly the opposite direction around the globe, travel several thousand miles farther, and connect in Istanbul.  Plus, you fly over Siberia, which is much scarier in my mind than the Pacific Ocean. 

 

 

The cheapest flights from CVG to Taiwan have always been cheaper than flights to Tokyo or Seoul, despite the fact that they have always gone through one of those two airports. I have no idea what the logic is behind that. I'm looking at Google Flights right now and CVG to TPE is $300 cheaper than CVG to NRT despite the fact that the first two legs of CVG to TPE are the exact same flights as the CVG to NRT trip.

 

I looked it up after first hearing about the Giant Bicycles program where they let you borrow a touring bike free of charge and take a few days to circle the island. 

 

 

SW is coming to CVG. wow. I do not think the airline is what it used to be though.

SW is coming to CVG. wow. I do not think the airline is what it used to be though.

 

The increased competition will be good for the market but not so great for the DL mini-hub.

SW just pulled flights from the Dayton airport.

Did Southwest only go to Chicago from Dayton?

Mostly yes. They had seasonals to Tampa and Orlando too.

Then I guess I'm not expecting a huge announcement. Probably moving the Chicago flight and adding something to the Dallas or Phoenix with the seasonal Florida destinations. It's possible we could get the Pittsburgh treatment with about 17 destinations, but I'm not holding my breath. That likely wouldn't happen overnight even if it was the plan.

With SW coming to CVG, does mean the pursuit of Jetblue is over?

Did SW pull its Dayton to BWI flight? I flew that a few times but not since 2015.

Did Southwest only go to Chicago from Dayton?

 

Nope, only NYC and BWI I think...

 

Here's hoping CVG connects to MDW (Chicago-Midway)

With SW coming to CVG, does mean the pursuit of Jetblue is over?

 

I wouldn't think so. In the region, Detroit and Cleveland have both Southwest and JetBlue.

 

Maybe SW will do a big launch but I have a feeling it will be BWI/Chicago-Midway/Denver, something to central Florida and some Phoenix/Las Vegas combo. On the outside: St. Louis/Nashville/Dallas-Love/New Orleans/Oakland. Maybe, maybe Ft. Lauderdale.

 

SW has a pretty decent operation in Columbus and Indy. Not quite sure how much they want to overlap with those markets initially.

 

So JetBlue could still enter and do Boston and Fort Lauderdale with no real issue from SW.

I was at the airport on Monday and someone at CVG said it will be a hub and they'll be rebuilding a terminal for them. Not sure how accurate of a statement that is but I can't wait for the official announcement!

I was at the airport on Monday and someone at CVG said it will be a hub and they'll be rebuilding a terminal for them. Not sure how accurate of a statement that is but I can't wait for the official announcement!

 

The death watch for the DL mini-hub could be on if this is true.

Bring back Concourse C!

Bring back Concourse C!

 

:roll:

 

Southwest announced direct routes from CVG to Chicago and Baltimore. (EDIT: I think starting in June)

Bring back Concourse C!

 

Bring back the murals!

Bring back Concourse C!

 

:roll:

 

Southwest announced direct routes from CVG to Chicago and Baltimore. (EDIT: I think starting in June)

 

That's it? Well that's very Southwest. No issues with JetBlue either.

Five daily flights to Chicago and three to Baltimore.

Cranley's comments:

 

"Cincinnati is flying now. And we're taking off from Kentucky. Ohio and Kentucky we are in this together. And now we're going to take off together. This has been an incredible... effort. This is the BEST time in the history of Cincinnati to be in Cincinnati. And it happened because we worked together for so long to make this happen... This HUGE win. This. Is. BIG."

Cranley's comments:

 

"Cincinnati is flying now. And we're taking off from Kentucky. Ohio and Kentucky we are in this together. And now we're going to take off together. This has been an incredible... effort. This is the BEST time in the history of Cincinnati to be in Cincinnati. And it happened because we worked together for so long to make this happen... This HUGE win. This. Is. BIG."

 

Those are boastful remarks. I'm assuming there is a promise of increased service? You could operate all those flights effectively off of just two gates. Using the second mainly for weather issues and the overnight parking of aircraft.

Yeah, there's plenty of room in Concourse A for these additional flights. CVG won't need to consider any more terminal construction projects unless there is a major expansion in the future.

Five daily flights to Chicago and three to Baltimore.

 

Chicago is their biggest hub, you can fly anywhere in the country from there (here for me).  Lots of their planes also just land, let people off, let people on then fly to another destination too.

This is amazing news. Flights from Portland to CVG likely just dropped $100 for me.

Yeah, there's plenty of room in Concourse A for these additional flights. CVG won't need to consider any more terminal construction projects unless there is a major expansion in the future.

All of the current gates in A concourse are spoken for. However, CVG is buying two additional jet bridges for either A1/A2 or A3/A5. These jet bridges are supposed to be operational by early June, or just in time for SouthWest.

Also, CVG has been in talks with Delta to sublease gates out of B concourse if necessary.