January 31, 20178 yr Long-term I'm not sure how the A/B + C areas could work without digging a tunnel between them. They wouldn't want trucks carrying international freight back and forth across the runways. Also this development greatly complicates building a light rail line to the airport because there would need to be one station at the passenger terminal and then a $100 million tunnel to serve the huge employment center in "C". No need for a tunnel, just a stop at the terminals and Amazon buys a fleet of these that run for the employees. http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/10/05/self-driving-buses-coming-east-bay-office-park/
January 31, 20178 yr It's not all great news. Only 600 jobs will be full time. The rest will be seasonal.
February 1, 20178 yr And here I thought the big news coming out of the airport today was a new flight option to get me to minnesota
February 1, 20178 yr It's not all great news. Only 600 jobs will be full time. The rest will be seasonal. The article did say that it was 600 full time jobs, initially. Once they build out the 3.5 million square feet of space they are planning I'd imagine there will be more jobs than that. From the sound of it they'll require 600 full time jobs before they even have their own buildings.
February 1, 20178 yr I wonder if Ky being a right to work state now helped? Maybe a little but not significant. What I think sealed the deal was location, the fact that there was already built infrastructure in place, and an underutilized airport close to a population center. Tax credits and RTW were probably just bonus. CVG beat out Wilmington most likely because it was closer to a population center and large Amazon fulfillment center, It also made it easier for Amazon execs to travel to the area since they are at the airport when they arrive instead of having to hop in a car to go to Wilmington.
February 1, 20178 yr I wonder if Ky being a right to work state now helped? Probably. I don't see how Ohio can hold out, nearly surrounded by RTW states. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 1, 20178 yr The area between runways 18R and 18C will probably require a larger roadway and tunnel on Whitson Drive, similar to S. Airfield Drive. The area off Petersburg Road is also probably going to continue to see major development to supplement Amazon.
February 1, 20178 yr I highly doubt Amazon would make a $1.5 billion investment decision in the month since right to work was pushed through in Kentucky.
February 1, 20178 yr The area between runways 18R and 18C will probably require a larger roadway and tunnel on Whitson Drive, similar to S. Airfield Drive. The area off Petersburg Road is also probably going to continue to see major development to supplement Amazon. If you look on page 4 of this document, they show the existing I-275 interchange being modified with an additional ramp from I-275 West to Petersburg Road. It also shows a new partial interchange providing access to and from I-275 East from the area where Amazon would be building its new facility. It actually shows where a future rail connection would go, too. It looks like light rail would only go to somewhere around the I-275 interhchange, and then a SkyTrain type of system would shuttle people from there to the long-term parking lot and the terminal.
February 1, 20178 yr These are jobs but they are crap jobs. In response to unionization of UPS's long-haul drivers by The Teamsters, FedEx launched a scam aimed at independent owner-operators. They become FedEx contractors but just like Uber they push all sorts of hidden costs down on them. The subject is a regular topic of conversation on the Trucking Bozo radio show and the Dave Ramsey financial advice show. Amazon quite obviously isn't above similar schemes and the whole drone delivery stunt is simply an indication that Amazon will prioritize robot labor at every opportunity in order to avoid union control of UPS's inter-terminal truck fleet.
February 1, 20178 yr The area between runways 18R and 18C will probably require a larger roadway and tunnel on Whitson Drive, similar to S. Airfield Drive. The area off Petersburg Road is also probably going to continue to see major development to supplement Amazon. If you look on page 4 of this document, they show the existing I-275 interchange being modified with an additional ramp from I-275 West to Petersburg Road. It also shows a new partial interchange providing access to and from I-275 East from the area where Amazon would be building its new facility. It actually shows where a future rail connection would go, too. It looks like light rail would only go to somewhere around the I-275 interhchange, and then a SkyTrain type of system would shuttle people from there to the long-term parking lot and the terminal. I have seen this document before, but never studied it closely thanks for bringing to my attention. Never would have considered additional exit at the Petersburg Road exit. I guess it could be similar to what they have done in Houston by creating exit ramps for primary use of a corporate campus. Hell I assumed they would just enlarge Petersburg Road and Whitson Drive/Tunnel for Semi trucks and traffic to access under the taxiway.
February 1, 20178 yr ^^They said in the article that the 600 Full-Time jobs will be $26/hour WITH benefits, so that means they are valuing whatever benefits as some amount of money. So maybe they are only making take home of $16-$18/hr PLUS benefits. Now, that isn't too bad of a wage but, it isn't phenomenal, maybe up to 40k per year take home after all benefits are taken out. That's pretty solid middle class. I agree though the seasonal jobs are crap and I am lucky I don't have to do that. My younger brother did that for FedEx in Iowa for about 4 weeks and was cut off, but that is the life some people live if they work seasonal jobs like construction, bouncing around a lot. I just don't understand how they will plan to hire 2,100 people for seasonal work. That's insane to me, how do you find that many people for a seasonal job in Northern Kentucky? I am guessing a lot of it would be the H1B1 Visa type stuff where people come in and work and stay somewhere then leave again after the season is at it's peak. No doubt, the company makes a ton more money doing that then hiring say 1,400 full time and then dropping seasonal to 800, which would be a lot bigger job gain for NK but be more of a loss for Amazon. The funny thing is that Amazon probably doesn't drop the end price to customers very much on that if at all, they just work more into their margin. There is something to be said about continuity in business, though, and I think that is going to come back and hurt companies in the next 10 years. That is why Unions are so valuable, but right to work obviously kills that. Unions will make a big come back I predict in the next 10 years or 10 years from now because employees will start finding out that bouncing from job to job with no benefits is no way to live a life. Now that is "sad!"
February 1, 20178 yr I highly doubt Amazon would make a $1.5 billion investment decision in the month since right to work was pushed through in Kentucky. The direction Kentucky was heading was obvious six months ago. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 1, 20178 yr I just don't understand how they will plan to hire 2,100 people for seasonal work. That's insane to me, how do you find that many people for a seasonal job in Northern Kentucky? I am guessing a lot of it would be the H1B1 Visa type stuff where people come in and work and stay somewhere then leave again after the season is at it's peak. No doubt, the company makes a ton more money doing that then hiring say 1,400 full time and then dropping seasonal to 800, which would be a lot bigger job gain for NK but be more of a loss for Amazon. The funny thing is that Amazon probably doesn't drop the end price to customers very much on that if at all, they just work more into their margin. Not just Amazon but the various internet places around town announce huge hiring binges every October. I worked for one of those places as a temp in Nov-Dec 2008. We showed up at 6am and either spent the day unloading furniture off of trucks or we went to a different area of the warehouse (a caged off area to prevent employee theft) and packed DVD's. The thing I remember most about that job was the jerk who worked at the temp agency who was some sort of coked-up frat guy who was pissed he was working at a temp agency instead of yachting with his frat buddies. I remember we got there at 530am on the first day and he drove us over to the warehouse and announced "well today we're going to find out if any of you are good workers". Okay, bro.
February 1, 20178 yr Delta is tweaking their service at CVG to respond to the introduction of Southwest and additional Frontier flights. Additional flights will be added to Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Orlando and Toronto and overall capacity on Delta's flights serving CVG will be increased by 6%.
February 1, 20178 yr Forget them. They did the same thing when Comair was in business and bought them out to the point they closed down the operation.
February 1, 20178 yr These are jobs but they are crap jobs. In response to unionization of UPS's long-haul drivers by The Teamsters, FedEx launched a scam aimed at independent owner-operators. They become FedEx contractors but just like Uber they push all sorts of hidden costs down on them. The subject is a regular topic of conversation on the Trucking Bozo radio show and the Dave Ramsey financial advice show. Amazon quite obviously isn't above similar schemes and the whole drone delivery stunt is simply an indication that Amazon will prioritize robot labor at every opportunity in order to avoid union control of UPS's inter-terminal truck fleet. Average salary of $52k a year is not a crap job
February 1, 20178 yr ^Sounds like Uber promising $90k. DHL is overwhelmingly third shift and I've heard that they pay something like $17 starting. So if Amazon does something similar, that's getting you to $35k for the year. So they're counting benefits. They're definitely not going to pay people $25+/hr to throw boxes on a plane when the other operation at the same airport is paying $17 and UPS and FedEx are paying $12.
February 1, 20178 yr Bizjournals reported that average salary will be $26/hr for full time. Some people will be less, others will be earning around $80-90k a year. These are good jobs Jake
February 4, 20178 yr ^Sounds like Uber promising $90k. DHL is overwhelmingly third shift and I've heard that they pay something like $17 starting. So if Amazon does something similar, that's getting you to $35k for the year. So they're counting benefits. They're definitely not going to pay people $25+/hr to throw boxes on a plane when the other operation at the same airport is paying $17 and UPS and FedEx are paying $12. Don't you prefer people to be poor anyway? Anyone that has money is pathetic in your mind, so this should be a good thing.
February 6, 20178 yr http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/02/06/a-new-international-flight-could-be-coming-to-cvg.html?ana=e_ae_set1&s=scroll&ed=2017-02-06&u=xWeX1S9OGl3E5VlLOx%2FO6Q04b25723&t=1486412657&j=77306191
February 14, 20178 yr That was an interesting article. I like how he is the same analyst who two years ago said Southwest would not come to CVG....
February 14, 20178 yr If CVG gets a London flight it may open it up to additional Transatlantic flights to Germany or Belguim too. Domestic service will have to rise naturally then because they will want to feed a new international gateway
February 14, 20178 yr Honestly our chances at an International flight would be slim, until we increase our numbers. We have a flying population of 6.7 Million for 2016. Cleveland and Pittsburgh respectably have over 8 million passengers coming through there airport. I can see us receiving similar international service like Pittsburgh with Wow and Condor which offer International service to Iceland and Germany on a couple flights a week. Our CDG flight only carries a 70% passenger load, its not promising to other airlines right now.
February 15, 20178 yr CVG adds new food options The Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport added to its food and beverage offerings on Tuesday. Urban Market and Stella Artois Bar are now open in Concourse A at the airport. The 775-square-foot space will be open daily and serve breakfast items, sandwiches, salads and bento boxes that include fruits, vegetables and cheeses along with a variety of beverages alongside a full-service bar. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/02/15/cvg-adds-new-food-options.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 15, 20178 yr Honestly our chances at an International flight would be slim, until we increase our numbers. We have a flying population of 6.7 Million for 2016. Cleveland and Pittsburgh respectably have over 8 million passengers coming through there airport. I can see us receiving similar international service like Pittsburgh with Wow and Condor which offer International service to Iceland and Germany on a couple flights a week. Our CDG flight only carries a 70% passenger load, its not promising to other airlines right now. I wouldn't take much of what that guy says as the truth. He has obviously been wrong about things in the past and therefore his predictions for the future are pretty untrustworthy. I also don't believe that the Paris flight is in the 70% range. Delta has had no qualms about terminating flights out of CVG in the past and if our last trans-atlantic flight was that low in the loads then I believe Delta would have cancelled it years ago. I've also heard many Delta employees on the employee shuttle bus at CVG talking about how full the flight was. They never mentioned percentages, they would just say that it was completely full. Also, flights aren't always about the load factor, the yield is a huge player as well and since the CVG-CDG flight is not even close to being cheap I would guess that the yields are pretty high.
February 15, 20178 yr I wouldn't take much of what that guy says as the truth. He has obviously been wrong about things in the past and therefore his predictions for the future are pretty untrustworthy. I also don't believe that the Paris flight is in the 70% range. Delta has had no qualms about terminating flights out of CVG in the past and if our last trans-atlantic flight was that low in the loads then I believe Delta would have cancelled it years ago. I've also heard many Delta employees on the employee shuttle bus at CVG talking about how full the flight was. They never mentioned percentages, they would just say that it was completely full. Also, flights aren't always about the load factor, the yield is a huge player as well and since the CVG-CDG flight is not even close to being cheap I would guess that the yields are pretty high. I think you are likely correct on that last point. I'd wager much of the traffic on that route is business related, which I'm sure generates more profit per seat. Like you said, Delta would cut it if it was a money loser.
February 15, 20178 yr For sure those business travelers that just expense it are way more profitable than the vacationers who spent six weeks on the internet scouring for dealz.
February 15, 20178 yr I have always heard that the Air France flight remains because of the freight it carries back and forth between GE Aviation and Airbus. I don't know if this is true or not. It seems perfectly logical until you consider that DHL flies direct between CVG and Frankfurt every night, and Frankfurt is only 50 miles from France.
February 15, 20178 yr I have always heard that the Air France flight remains because of the freight it carries back and forth between GE Aviation and Airbus. I don't know if this is true or not. It seems perfectly logical until you consider that DHL flies direct between CVG and Frankfurt every night, and Frankfurt is only 50 miles from France. Considering the small size of the Delta Cincinnati hub there has to be valuable cargo for the airline to keep flying the 767 or they would have switched it to a 757 long ago.
February 15, 20178 yr Honestly our chances at an International flight would be slim, until we increase our numbers. We have a flying population of 6.7 Million for 2016. Cleveland and Pittsburgh respectably have over 8 million passengers coming through there airport. I can see us receiving similar international service like Pittsburgh with Wow and Condor which offer International service to Iceland and Germany on a couple flights a week. Our CDG flight only carries a 70% passenger load, its not promising to other airlines right now. I wouldn't take much of what that guy says as the truth. He has obviously been wrong about things in the past and therefore his predictions for the future are pretty untrustworthy. I also don't believe that the Paris flight is in the 70% range. Delta has had no qualms about terminating flights out of CVG in the past and if our last trans-atlantic flight was that low in the loads then I believe Delta would have cancelled it years ago. I've also heard many Delta employees on the employee shuttle bus at CVG talking about how full the flight was. They never mentioned percentages, they would just say that it was completely full. Also, flights aren't always about the load factor, the yield is a huge player as well and since the CVG-CDG flight is not even close to being cheap I would guess that the yields are pretty high. The 70% factor is true unfortunately, but the route is profitable for DL. This is because of cargo. I still have relatives that work out at CVG and the CDG flight could be half empty and still make profit for the airline because of the GE airplane cargo. My point is though we dont have the passenger numbers yet. Cleveland is above 8 million and still doesn't have international service. Pittsburgh international, 8.5 million passengers has seasonal (CDG via DL on 757) and sporadic (WOW and Condor). CVG needs numbers to hit over 10 million passengers in a travel year for international service to consider CVG. Case in point Austin is over 11 million passengers and has BA flight to LHR daily, Condor service to Frankfurt, Aeromexico to Mexico City. New Orleans is over 10.5 million has BA service to LHR daily, and Condor seasonal service to Frankfurt. Raleigh Durham is over 11 million passengers and have CDG via DL and LHR via AA.
February 16, 20178 yr Considering the small size of the Delta Cincinnati hub there has to be valuable cargo for the airline to keep flying the 767 or they would have switched it to a 757 long ago. CVG to CDG would be a perfect route for the new A330neos coming into Delta's fleet in the next couple of years. Delta would really be able to profit from a much more efficient aircraft running a long and thin route like this.
February 23, 20178 yr DHL adding 900 jobs at CVG Feb 23, 2017, 11:24am EST Erin Caproni Digital Producer Cincinnati Business Courier DHL Express plans to hire 900 new employees for its Americas Hub at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport. The new jobs stem from DHL’s $108 million expansion of its hub at CVG and will raise its workforce there to more than 3,300 from its current 2,400. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/02/23/dhl-adding-900-jobs-at-cvg.html
February 24, 20178 yr CVG awards contract for $150M construction project A Houston-based architecture firm with experience designing airport facilities has received a nearly $11 million contract to design a new consolidated car rental facility at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/02/24/cvg-awards-contract-for-150m-construction-project.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 3, 20178 yr Delta Private Jets adds new aircraft, executives Delta Private Jets is adding new jets to its fleet and new executives to its senior leadership team. The company, a subsidiary of Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL), has grown at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport in recent years. The 30-year-old company is a survivor of the now-defunct Comair. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/03/03/delta-private-jets-adds-new-aircraft-executives.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 10, 20178 yr Allegiant adds a new CVG flight Allegiant Air, a fast-growing ultra-low-cost carrier at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, will begin flights to Denver starting June 2. Allegiant is offering an introductory fare on the route as low as $28. The Denver flight will operate three days a week in the summer and twice a week during the fall. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/03/10/allegiant-adds-a-new-cvg-flight.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 10, 20178 yr ^ Interesting that nothing is said about winter. Figure winter flights to Denver for ski season would be popular.
March 15, 20178 yr CVG ranks among world's best airports Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport has received international recognition for its service. The airport was voted World’s Best Airport serving 5-10 Million Passengers and Best Regional Airport in North America at the World Airport Awards on Tuesday. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/03/15/cvg-ranks-among-worlds-best-airports.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 16, 20178 yr Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport has received international recognition for its service. The airport was voted World’s Best Airport serving 5-10 Million Passengers and Best Regional Airport in North America at the World Airport Awards on Tuesday. CVG might be underutilized but over the past 5 or 6 years, I've had nothing but good things to say about the airport.
March 21, 20178 yr CVG boosts incentives to land overseas carriers The board that runs Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport voted Monday night to increase the incentives it offers airlines that potentially would start overseas flights. CVG’s board unanimously voted to increase the amount of marketing support it will offer an airline that starts transatlantic or transpacific flights from $300,000 to $400,000. An airline that starts such service must fly four days a week in order to be eligible for the one-year incentive. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/03/21/cvg-boosts-incentives-to-land-overseas-carriers.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 21, 20178 yr Why Denver is surging in popularity at CVG Passengers at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport looking to get to Denver will have a plethora of options once Allegiant Air begins serving the market on June 2, and it's showing up in the airport’s passengers numbers. Denver has moved from CVG’s 15th-most popular destination to its sixth, according to Bobby Spann, CVG’s vice president for external affairs. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/03/21/why-denver-is-surging-in-popularity-at-cvg.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 21, 20178 yr Or Elitch Gardens! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 27, 20178 yr Cincinnati Zoo signs on to build play area at CVG The Cincinnati Zoo & Botanical Garden has partnered with the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport to create a new play area in one of its concourses. The children’s play area in Concourse B at the airport will include play elements and a Zoo Babies mural by local children’s author and illustrator Loren Long in addition to wall graphics that will promote activities with suggestions for children to mimic animal behaviors and adaptations. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/03/27/cincinnati-zoo-signs-on-to-build-play-area-at-cvg.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 27, 20178 yr CVG boosts incentives to land overseas carriers The board that runs Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport voted Monday night to increase the incentives it offers airlines that potentially would start overseas flights. CVG’s board unanimously voted to increase the amount of marketing support it will offer an airline that starts transatlantic or transpacific flights from $300,000 to $400,000. An airline that starts such service must fly four days a week in order to be eligible for the one-year incentive. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/03/21/cvg-boosts-incentives-to-land-overseas-carriers.html Getting $400k in marketing assistance may get a Euro low cost carrier to test the waters. Not enough to get the big boys to come in and certainly not enough for an Asian flight.
March 28, 20178 yr Getting $400k in marketing assistance may get a Euro low cost carrier to test the waters. Not enough to get the big boys to come in and certainly not enough for an Asian flight. CLE offered WOW $400K for Iceland flights. PIT offered them $800K. They went with PIT, although I don't know if money was their only reason. CVG's offer may be too light unless the business prospect is truly compelling. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 21, 20178 yr Frontier launches two new CVG flights today Two new Frontier Airlines flights will launch at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport on Friday, April 21. Frontier will begin nonstop service to New York City’s LaGuardia airport and Minneapolis/St. Paul. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/04/21/frontier-launches-two-new-cvg-flights-today.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 25, 20178 yr CVG celebrates ‘historic’ first quarter Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport set a record for the amount of cargo shipped out of the airport during the first quarter of 2017, CVG officials said in a news release. Companies shipped more than 205,000 tons of cargo out of the airport, an 8 percent increase year-over-year. CVG is the North American hub for international shipping giant DHL, and that amount is expected to increase with the announcement that Amazon will locate its $1.5 billion air services hub at CVG and bring 100-plus Prime Air cargo planes. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/04/25/cvg-celebrates-historic-first-quarter.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 26, 20178 yr CVG fares continue to tumble The average airfare at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport continued to drop in the fourth quarter of 2016, making it cheaper to fly from CVG than any other regional airport except Indianapolis and Columbus, which are more than 90-minute drives from Cincinnati. CVG dropped from being the 22nd most-expensive airport to fly from out of the top 100 nationwide in the fourth quarter of 2015 to the 42nd most-expensive in 2016. The average fare was $367 in the fourth quarter of 2016 compared with $419 in the fourth quarter of 2015. More below: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/04/25/cvg-fares-continue-to-tumble.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
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