January 10, 200619 yr Interesting, at least Kentucky gets stuck with all the noise. They could have built in where Union Center stands today, and we'd all be alot happier. LOL. Maybe the only good thing about that tourism/Cincy USA/chamber office relocating to Kentucky is that it may help people to think more regionally, using (greater) Cincinnati like monte and others would like.
January 10, 200619 yr I believe the "West Side" of Cincinnati gets more noise, more times than not. During my 76,000 miles flown in and out of CVG this year we have passed CVG and turned around at the Colerain area and Delhi gets the brunt of the air noise.
January 10, 200619 yr ^--- But at least you were landing. A plane taking off makes more noise. Isn't the normal flight pattern always heading south, both to take off and land?
January 10, 200619 yr By 1941, war clouds were looming for the United States, and the Federal Civil Aeronautics Agency (CAA) was assigned to find suitable airfields for the Army Air Corps. Members of the Covington-Kenton County Industrial Association, a group of Covington businessmen, saw their opportunity. They enlisted O.G. Loomis, a civil engineer, to scour Northern Kentucky and review contour plates and maps to find an ideal landing strip location. He found the perfect site for the Covington-Kenton County organization on a large flat-topped bluff - in Boone County. ....another case of a WWII military airfield converted to civilian use. Two other examples that I'm aware of is Standiford Field in Louisville and OHare in Chicago, which both started as WWII military airfields (in these cases associated with bomber plants).
January 10, 200619 yr Posted by: montecarloss Insert Quote I believe the "West Side" of Cincinnati gets more noise, more times than not. During my 76,000 miles flown in and out of CVG this year we have passed CVG and turned around at the Colerain area and Delhi gets the brunt of the air noise. Eigth and State is correct, most of the flights take off to the south over Kentucky, and land comming from the north. Durring a push at the airport though (the peak take off and landing times) it is hard to hear yourself think in the western part of Delhi and Sayler Park. I remember many times at Oak Hills where the teacher would have to stop a lecture and wait for an airplane to pass over before starting again, only to have to do it a few minutes later when another one came over.
January 10, 200619 yr I grew up in Green Township, but I was only about one or two miles away from Delhi. I remember the noise from the airport getting worse in the early '90s. I can't imagine how bad it must have been close to the river.
January 11, 200619 yr Too bad Cincy doesn't have an international airport in the Northern suburbs between Dayton and Cincy. They just had to build that damn airport in friggin Kentucky. What a loss of economic vitality and money. :-(
January 11, 200619 yr Too bad Cincy doesn't have an international airport in the Northern suburbs between Dayton and Cincy. They just had to build that damn airport in friggin Kentucky. What a loss of economic vitality and money. :-( I too have thought about it being in between Dayton and Cincy... On the side note, I like the idea of our cities combining and I think that an airport would be a little hinderance.
January 11, 200619 yr Tell Traders World, the prison, and Jesus to pack up and leave, first. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 11, 200619 yr ^ I would take an airport over a prison. Of course this would never happen. Ohio don';t have money to build a new airport. I do wonder how Denver was able to get the 12 billion to build their new airport.
January 13, 200619 yr Runway lights on interstate CVG expanding closer to highway By Bob Driehaus Post staff reporter Drivers on Interstate 275 in Hebron, Ky., might be wondering from the glare of lights shooting skyward since Dec. 22 if there's a movie being shot there. But the bright lights are there to help Comair jets land at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport's new runway that sits a hairsbreadth south of the interstate. The encroachment on I-275 is a problem that is typical of growing airports and has posed the sort of challenge that the Hebron complex has faced numerous times through its seven decades as a commercial airport. The airport has spent millions of dollars buying up homes and former farmland to make way for the airport and millions of dollars more to soundproof nearby homes, schools and businesses. Placing runway lights across a highway isn't exactly common, but it's been done at numerous airports across the country. At Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, a new runway literally crosses over I-285, which was rerouted under the new runway. Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky airport's third north-south runway sits closer to I-275 than either of the other two north-south runways, prompting engineers to install bright white approach lights on either side of the highway and even in the median. Read full article here: http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060113/NEWS01/601130359
January 19, 200619 yr Author As far as the noise goes, you can read about who thinks they have it worse at the "CVG expansion" thread. It's mostly Delhi Twp. and Hebron/Burlington folks.
January 19, 200619 yr I just thought of another reason. If I'm not mistaken, jet fuel come by barge, so it's good to have the airport next to the river. Yes, they could transfer it to a pipeline or railroad or even a highway, but that adds cost.
January 19, 200619 yr I had a dude come up to me a few days ago and look at my patch and say, "So we're in Kentucky"?
January 23, 200619 yr Just an FYI. Terminal 1 at CVG will close later this year (possibly in September). US Airways will move to Terminal 2 which will get a number of improvements to make it better in appearance. The airport is paying for the move and it's not going to be cheap. The airport admin offices above Terminal 1 will remain open.
March 21, 200619 yr Airport may raze oldest terminal By Bob Driehaus Tuesday, March 21, 2006 Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport's oldest terminal, built just after World War II, might be vacated by the end of fall and torn down by the end of the year. Terminal 1, built in 1947 and remodeled three times, is home to the airport's administrative staff as well as U.S. Airways and its nine daily departures. The Kenton County Airport Board wants to improve the airport's efficiency by consolidating U.S. Airways into Terminal 2, used by American Airlines and United Airlines. Terminal 2 use is well below capacity, with American using two gates, United one and five others sitting idle. U.S. Airways uses only three of nine gates in Terminal 1. Added up, it makes sense to consolidate, said Paul Hegedus, the airport's commercial and business development manager. "Terminal 1 is old and would need to be upgraded," he said. Additionally, more stores and restaurants in Terminal 2 would better serve passengers, Hegedus said. Read full article here: http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060321/NEWS01/603210350
March 21, 200619 yr There are 3 terminals total. Terminals 1 (US Air - 17 gates)and 2 (American & United - ~20 gates) have one concourse attached to them. Neither 1 or 2 are using all their gates. Terminal 3 (Delta, ComAir & Others - 50+ gates) has three concourses that are accessed via underground train (Concourse A & B) or by Bus via Concourse B (Concourse C).
March 21, 200619 yr Yup, 3 terminals. Terminal 3 is comprised of 3 concourses: A, B, and C. Quite frankly, there is more than enough room in Terminal 3 to consolidate all the airlines currently serving CVG. If anyone has traveled through Terminals 1 and 2, you know the dismal state they are in. With Delta's downsizing in CVG, they could easily fit USAirways, American, and United into Concourse A, where Continental and Northwest recently relocated to when they joined the Skyteam alliance. T1 and T2 could then be demolished and Terminal 3 could be built out for future airline expansion. Not to mention the vastly improved environment United, USAirways, and American customers would experience when traveling through the Queen City.
March 22, 200619 yr ^ That probably will happen, but it will be atleast a decade down the road. I think terminal 1 has roughly 13 gates, with US Air using 2 of them..not 3 like the paper says. People have to travel all the way to the end... past all the empty unused gates to get to US airways gates. Terminal 2 only has 8 gates, with American using 4 and United using 2, the other two will be for US Airways. A Concourse and B Concourse have 26 and 28 gates, C Concourse has 69 gates.
March 23, 200619 yr CVG needs to bulldoze both Terminal 1 and 2. Terminal 3 could handle all of the traffic with no problem. I have always been amazed the CVG hangs on to Terminal 1. It looks like something that should be in Dubuque or something.
March 24, 200619 yr Author Work to alter airport noise Construction on runways would affect patterns BY JAMES PILCHER | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER Those living to the north and south of Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport will see changes in noise patterns beginning early next month and throughout the summer because of runway construction. In a letter sent to communities in Boone County and western Hamilton County on Wednesday, airport officials said the new north/south runway would shut down during the day beginning around April 10. The closures, between 8 a.m. and 5:30 p.m. weekdays, are to allow construction crews to finish work on the runway, including final coats of paint. Work will last two to three weeks. Around May 8, the middle north/south runway will close for 100 days to allow for construction of new taxiways. Read full article here: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060323/NEWS0103/603230400/1059/
March 24, 200619 yr CVG needs to bulldoze both Terminal 1 and 2. Terminal 3 could handle all of the traffic with no problem. I have always been amazed the CVG hangs on to Terminal 1. It looks like something that should be in Dubuque or something. And what is wrong with Dubuque, IA?
May 12, 200619 yr Author West Siders assail new runway BY FEOSHIA HENDERSON | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER Backyard barbecues won't be the same for Jennifer Waldeck and Cathy Grizovic this summer. Their homes in Sayler Park sit in the path of the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport's newest runway, which opened in December. Just this week planes drowned out an outdoor conversation the neighbors were having. "We couldn't even hear each other," Grizovic said. The women live on Twain Street. Waldeck has lived in her home for 18 years and Grizovic for 12. They were two of about three dozen people who turned out for a public workshop on the airport's updated master plan at Delhi Middle School Wednesday evening. Another one was held Tuesday at Boone County High School in Florence. Read full article here: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060511/NEWS01/605110345/1056
May 12, 200619 yr Come on is the noise really THAT bad that it alters people's "quality of life"? Geez.
May 12, 200619 yr Come on is the noise really THAT bad that it alters people's "quality of life"? Geez. It wouldn't surprise me if it actually is. I lived in Western Hills (about 1-2 miles away from Delhi to be exact) for most of my life. In the late 80s/early 90s, the airplane noise started to get pretty loud. I remember being inside the house with the windows closed while talking on the phone. When an airplane passed, the person on the other end would always ask about the noise. Delhi has it even worse. I believe the quotes in the story where the neighbors couldn't hear each other. The pair said planes fly by every 20 seconds for several hours during the morning and late afternoon. They can't talk on the phone or hear their televisions during that time. I believe this, too, especially after visiting some of my family members in Delhi.
May 12, 200619 yr I too grew up in Delhi and still live on the westside of Cincy (Green Twp). I always remember hearing people complain about the noise of the planes, but it never bothered me. After awhile you just grow used to it. It would be similar to someone living near the L in Chicago. When they first move in the noise would be a nuissance, however over time you no longer notice it and it becomes part of your life. begin rant< I'm not a big fan of people bitching about their lackluster problems. The airport's expansion(s) have greatly benefitted Cincinnati USA over the years and have helped Cincy stay competitive in the business market. Cincy's economy is strong, compared to many other midwestern cities, and a lot of the credit can go to having a major international airport. People are soooo caught up in individualistic mindsets that no longer people value what is for the greater good and overall benefit for society (see lightrail, concentration of subsidised housing, gated communities, emma dismasi, etc). I wish people could start to think on a broader scale...one that looks at the big picture not simply their own. >end rant
May 12, 200619 yr I too live in Delhi, and can attest to the sound problem. However, it does depend on where in the township you live, as to how bad the noise is. I live on the east side of the township, which lines up with the airport terminals, there is one runway to my east, and 2 to the west. Because of where I am, the noise isn't that bad since the planes don't fly directly over my house. I have a friend who lives in the area around Rapid Run and Pontious and I can tell you, that the noise is pretty bad. At the times during the day when Delta is doing a "push" (majoirty of take off and landings happening in a short period of time), it is very hard to hold a conversation outside, a plane flies over every minute.
May 12, 200619 yr lol I had absolutely no idea we had so many board members from Delhi! If it's that bad then I can't imagine what it's like for people that live near O'Hare or Hartsfield-Jackson. I'd rather hear airplanes flying across occasionally instead of my loud ass neighbors in my apartment building blasting music with way too much bass at all hours of the night.
May 19, 200619 yr Author Auditor: Last call for airport noise study input BY KIMBALL PERRY | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER Hamilton County Auditor Dusty Rhodes is encouraging the county's three commissioners - and the public - to speak up about airport noise and flight paths by May 25, the deadline for comments on a federal study. Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport is seeking input on its Master Plan Update Study, which will be submitted to the federal government. Rhodes told commissioners Wednesday that county leaders and residents need to speak now or suffer the consequences. Rhodes has feuded with the airport, controlled by the Kenton County Airport Board, for years, complaining it wasn't doing more to alter flight paths that bring noise to western Hamilton County. That noise, Rhodes and others argue, lowers property values and makes it less attractive to live and do business in western Hamilton County. Read full article here: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060519/NEWS01/605190391/1056
May 22, 200619 yr lol I had absolutely no idea we had so many board members from Delhi! If it's that bad then I can't imagine what it's like for people that live near O'Hare or Hartsfield-Jackson. I'd rather hear airplanes flying across occasionally instead of my loud ass neighbors in my apartment building blasting music with way too much bass at all hours of the night. I have a friend in suburban Atlanta (henry county - which is east of the airport) that is in the flight path of the runways....he had a bbq...and let me tell you....i couldn't live there. we couldnt even here each other (and there were about 50 people there) over the airport noise. It's insane. On occasion in bad weather or weekends, the planes landing at LGA fly directly over my crib the noise is bad (the planes are so low I can CLEARLY see people in the plane, what type of tires are on the plane, the ID of the plane - to give you a picture) but nothing like the day i spent in Henry County. Easily 300 to 400 planes departed or arrived in a 6 hur period.
June 9, 200619 yr Author Hamilton Co.: No more north-south runways BY PAUL MCKIBBEN | COMMUNITY RECORDER STAFF WRITER Hamilton County commissioners want the Kenton County Airport Board to agree in writing not to build any additional north-south runways for decades at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport in Hebron. The request is one of several suggestions and criticisms Hamilton County has sent to the airport (CVG) regarding its master plan that was presented to the public last month. In a May 24 letter to Barbara Schempf, the airport's government affairs/noise abatement manager, Hamilton County Administrator Patrick Thompson said the airport "has more than adequate capacity to handle current and projected air traffic." He said another north-south runway should not be "included in the 2025 planning horizon," and if one is needed, Hamilton County prefers an east-west expansion. Hamilton County commissioners want a written agreement from the airport on those matters. Read full article here: http://news.communitypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060608/NEWS01/606080419/1002/
June 10, 200619 yr Author Airport officials looking for more carriers Cincinnati Business Courier - 1:28 PM EDT Friday With a bankrupt Delta Air Lines focusing its expansion on its other hubs, the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport will look for more business elsewhere. Airport officials will attend the conference of the trade group Airports Council International-North America next week in Austin, Texas, with the goal of wooing more airlines to serve the airport. Delta, its Comair subsidiary and Delta's other partners control more than 90 percent of the airport's flights. Read full article here: http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2006/06/05/daily52.html
June 14, 200619 yr Three years worth of articles and still no low cost airline. Maybe the third time is the charm.
June 14, 200619 yr Several recent events in the industry, both locally and nationally, could mean that securing a low fare carrier at CVG is no more a matter of if, but when. Locally, Delta's weakened financial state and decreased presence out of CVG could make it a more viable target for a low fare airline. Gate space is not at a premium at CVG, so the airport likely could accomodate a new carrier fairly easily. Nationally, low fare carriers have continued to increase their market share. Lately, carriers such as Southwest and AirTran have begun tackling larger hub markets that they historically have shyed away from. For example, Southwest has entered both the Philadelphia (PHL) and Denver (DEN) markets, both of which are primary airports as well as fortress hubs for legacy carriers. The trend is going to continue, and I doubt CVG can stay without a low fare carrier other than USA3000s weekly services for long. However, I still think it will be an uphill battle. The last low fare airline to fly scheduled service from CVG was Vanguard, with several nonstops to Chicago Midway. Delta matched Vanguard's fares, doubled their flights to MDW, and offered all sorts of SkyMiles incentives on the route. Vanguard lasted about a year, after which Delta rose prices again between Cincinncati and Chicago. Eventually all nonstops to Chicago Midway were discontinued. Even though Delta has eliminated over 100 flights out of CVG since the bankruptcy, they still maintain dominance by a huge margin. If a low fare carrier does decide to enter the market, they will have to be able to endure the marketing ploys that Delta will undeniably unleash upon them. Another stumbling block to securing a low fare airline at CVG is the proximity to Dayton. DAY currently has AirTran and Frontier, both of which have seen great success there in part to travelers driving from Cincinnati and surroundings to take advatange of significantly lower fares. If say AirTran were to start flying into CVG as well, they would effectively be cannibalizing their service at DAY, since the flights there partially rely on people driving from Cincinnati. However AirTran has succeeded in serving duel markets. For example, to serve the Detroit metropolitan population, AirTran has flown out of Flint Bishop Airport for several years, becoming one of the airline's largest outstations. Recently AirTran decided to go into Detroit's main airport at Wayne County International Airport (DTW) and has been quite successful in both airports. Granted, however, Detroit's catchment area is far larger than Cincinnati/Dayton and AirTran has comparitavely seen much greater success in Flint than in Dayton. However, it doesn't mean that AirTran couldn't give it a shot, especially given their success at taking on Delta at their main base in Atlanta. A point can be made for Southwest in CVG, especially since their latest round of new cities have all essentially been large, hub airport markets, such as Denver, Philadelphia, and Washington Dulles. However, all three of those cities are either quite a bit larger than Cincinnati/Dayton and/or do not have Southwest within driving distance. Southwest has CVG covered in Indianapolis, Louisville, and Columbus. Also, Southwest usually enters a new city with anywhere from 8-10 flights to 3-4 destinations. With Terminal 1 closing, I don't know how much space would be readily available in Terminal 2. Even though space would likely be available in Terminal 3, I highly doubt Delta would allow a low fare carrier to takeover any of their gates. Again, it's a possibility, and if the Kenton County Airport Board can convince Southwest that CVG is worth the initial investment and possible returns, Herb's red-bellied warbirds could be in CVG in the near future.
June 22, 200618 yr Author Airport master plan gets OK BY PAUL MCKIBBEN | COMMUNITY RECORDER STAFF WRITER The Kenton County Airport Board on Monday approved an update to the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport's master plan that includes delaying the construction of another runway to beyond 2025. Other projects include: Terminal 3 (where Delta Air Lines is located) would be gradually expanded, replacing Terminals 1 and 2 which the plan said "have become very costly to operate and maintain due to the age of their structures and mechanical systems." The expanded Terminal 3 would have a new security facility with room for extra lanes to reduce passenger processing times. Beyond 2025, a new Concourse D would be constructed in the old DHL location. Then, Concourse C, which the plan says will be more than 35 years old, will be demolished. The parking garages at Terminals 1 and 2 would be replaced with a new garage next to the Terminal 3 garage. Read full article here: http://news.communitypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060622/NEWS01/606220389/1002/
June 23, 200618 yr " Beyond 2025, a new Concourse D would be constructed in the old DHL location. Then, Concourse C, which the plan says will be more than 35 years old, will be demolished." Could someone explain to me where the old DHL location is? I know DHL built a brand new facility at the end of 36R/18L, but I don't know the previous location of DHL.
June 23, 200618 yr It is building #3 on the second post of the first page of this thread, NW of the main terminals.
June 25, 200618 yr If you have a map handy, old DHL runs parallel with Loomis where all the rental car places are located. Off Loomis is a small street called Barkley, it runs right into old DHL. BTW..... I saw the renderings for the security expansion in T-3, it doesnt look too bad except it has a road running directly under it which isnt the safest thing to do is you ask me.
July 18, 200618 yr Transportation center on horizon Relief might be on the way for one of the biggest stack-ups at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport. The problem is traffic congestion along the curbside outside Terminal 3, where rental car shuttle buses, airport parking buses, taxis, limos and hotel courtesy vans zip in and out all day long picking up and dropping off passengers. The Kenton County Airport Board voted Monday to spend $61,000 for a company to prepare a concept and preliminary design plan for a ground transportation center. Under the motion approved by the board, which governs the airport, the plans will be drawn up by the design, engineering and construction management firm Parsons Brinckerhoff of Ohio. Read full article here: http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060718/NEWS01/607180386
July 31, 200618 yr CVG will host VIP; To get $2M check For runway fix By Luke E. Saladin Post staff reporter The chairman of the U.S. House Aviation Subcommittee will visit Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport on Tuesday, giving local officials a chance to meet with a key figure in the nation's aviation policy. U.S. Rep. John Mica, R-Florida, is making the visit at the request of U.S. Rep. Geoff Davis, R-Ky., of Hebron. The two also will present a check to airport officials for $2 million to help with runway rehabilitation. The visit will last from 8:30 a.m. to 11:15 a.m. Mica, a seven-term congressman, has chaired the House Aviation Subcommittee since 2001. The subcommittee has oversight on all matters regarding civil aviation including airport improvements, aviation safety and security and other related issues. Read full article here: http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060731/NEWS01/607310360
July 31, 200618 yr ^^ 100 percent automated baggage system. Really bad idea. United tried it when Denver International Airport opened 10 years ago. I believe the last pieces went to the scrap heap last year. Guaranteed it will take more time to get bags from the plane to the claim area and God forbid if you have to transfer. I'm sure Delta/Comair is behind this....the less ramp agents they have to pay the more money they make. The problem is that the system is more expensive to repair (and I've yet to see a belt system that dosen't shut down at least two-three times a week in an airport with 10+ million pax/year) than paying the guy making $9/hr +workers comp. It will be an incredible waste of money.
August 1, 200618 yr ^Couldn't agree more. The automated baggage system for United at DIA was a complete disaster. Bags were sped down belts that would lead to nowhere, bags would get crushed by battering rams meant to separate luggage, and half the time they would end up in the small package delivery sort instead of the bag rooms. United ended up returning to the more conventional style of baggage sort and delivery because it ended up being more cost-effective and reliable. If it were such a good idea, every major hub would have adopted automated baggage sorts years ago, since the technology is already more than available. CVG will be in for a world of hurt if they decide to go through with this project.
August 1, 200618 yr The system installed at Denver was before its time and came in way over budget. I agree that Delta has something to do with this. However, technology has changed in the last 15 years. Instead of a pneumatic system, electronic actuators will be used and are much less likely to break. How do you think DHL, UPS and FedEx handles packages at their air hubs? UPS may have one of the most extensive systems in the world.
August 1, 200618 yr The system installed at Denver was before its time and came in way over budget. I agree that Delta has something to do with this. However, technology has changed in the last 15 years. Instead of a pneumatic system, electronic actuators will be used and are much less likely to break. How do you think DHL, UPS and FedEx handles packages at their air hubs? UPS may have one of the most extensive systems in the world. It has nothing to do with the technology. It has to do with volume. Do you realize how many bags are being sent through conveyors during a main bank at a large airport? The last I checked they'll run through belts just like any other airport. But now...all you'll have are belts...miles and miles of them. Belt breaks...you're screwed. Sometimes mistakes need to me made several times before everyone learns the lesson. This should be the mantra of the commercial aviation industry. :)
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