45 minutes ago, aderwent said:

Will such a large facility affect CVG's passenger airline capacity leading to needed expansion?

 

 

It's highly unlikely. The facility is designed to handle 100 aircraft and therefore about 200 daily movements. That's 73,000 a year and would only represent a roughly 50% increase in aircraft movements over 2018. Most of these cargo flights will operate in the evening and overnight hours and would not interfere with most passenger flight banks.

 

CVG is also a very efficient airport given its 4 runway layout. Fun fact, London Heathrow currently handles three times more aircraft movements than CVG with half the number of runways.

Edited May 15, 20196 yr by LtCheese

1 hour ago, thebillshark said:

That facility is absolutely enormous. I wonder how much power they could generate if they put solar panels on top. 

 

Yeah this is multi-level inside...most places like this have a steel mezzanine level about 15 feet above the concrete floor, but this looks like it might have multiple mezzanine levels. 

 

Also, the number of purported staff is relatively low as compared to DHL.  That leads me to believe that Amazon will have a strict size and weight limit for Prime service which will enable a highly automated sorting process. 

 

By comparison, DHL will ship *anything*, up to and including horses and exotic animals.  For example, wealthy polo players sometimes ship all six of their horses for a single overseas match via DHL, and those horses come through CVG. 

 

If only we had a bridge connect the West Side of Cincinnati to all these jobs...

That looks like 6/7 stories from the rendering...damn

CVG's passenger counts for April and YTD: 751,278 and 2,700,310 respectively.

 

April's passenger numbers are down 1% vs. 2018 but YTD passengers are still up 3.1% compared to 2018.

 

I don't have any details on the drop in passengers but I suspect it may be partially related to the lack of new city pairs this year. April 2018 saw Allegiant add Charleston and Sarasota and Frontier added service to Austin, San Jose, Jacksonville, San Antonio, and Raleigh/Durham.

 

On 5/15/2019 at 1:58 PM, IAGuy39 said:

If only we had a bridge connect the West Side of Cincinnati to all these jobs...

 

Forgive my ignorance - why ISN’T there a bridge from the west side of the city to the airport?

Just now, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

Forgive my ignorance - why ISN’T there a bridge from the west side of the city to the airport?

 

The hillsides are very steep and building a pair of approaches would cost as much or more than a bridge.  

 

12 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

The hillsides are very steep and building a pair of approaches would cost as much or more than a bridge.  

 

 

Ah that makes more sense. Probably still worth it, but also understandable why it doesn’t exist. Thanks for the clarification. 

17 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

Ah that makes more sense. Probably still worth it, but also understandable why it doesn’t exist. Thanks for the clarification. 

 

One has been proposed in that area going back to the 1940s and 50s but nothing ever happens.  

 

Now I suspect that a lot of people who live very close to Anderson Ferry Rd. would object because it would add a lot of traffic to that road and to the rest of Delhi.  Also, the road doesn't connect directly to Glenway.  It probably did back in the 1800s but it was severed when the rail yard expanded that is now the Glenway Crossing shopping center.  So there would be a lot of street improvements to do aside from simply building an approach to either side of the bridge.  

Cincinnati icon will set up shop at CVG

 

 

An iconic Cincinnati restaurant is coming to Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/05/21/cincinnati-icon-will-set-up-shop-at-cvg.html

New service launches to speed up security screenings at CVG

 

Travelers’ trips through the security line at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport could be faster because of a new service that allows them to use a iris scan or fingerprint instead of their driver’s license or passport as identification.

 

CVG becomes the 30th U.S. airport to use CLEAR’s service, which has 3.5 million members, according to Howard Kass, the company’s executive vice president for corporate affairs.

 

“You will be your identity instead of a piece of plastic,” he said.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/06/03/new-service-launches-to-speed-up-security.html

DHL adds new Boeing freighters to intercontinental fleet based at CVG

By Mitchell Parton  – Intern, Cincinnati Business Courier

Jun 3, 2019, 1:27pm EDT Updated Jun 3, 2019, 2:55pm EDT

 

DHL Express introduced the first plane in a new line of Boeing aircraft based at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, which will gradually replace the company's older intercontinental fleet.

The first aircraft in an order of 14 Boeing 777 freighters took off on its commercial maiden flight May 25 from the DHL Express hub at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport to Bahrain. Three more 777 Freighters will arrive this year to continue replacing DHL’s previous Boeing 747-400 aircraft for intercontinental flights.

 

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CVG adds new nonstop flight to East Coast city

 

Cincinnati gets new, nonstop service to an East Coast vacation area beginning Friday.

 

Allegiant Air will make its inaugural nonstop flight from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport to Norfolk, Va., at 6:30 a.m.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/06/06/cvg-adds-new-nonstop-flight-to-east-coast-city.html

 

Airline adds four new nonstop destinations from CVG

 

 

Frontier Airlines, the ultra low-cost carrier that helped spark the dive in fares at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport six years ago, is adding nonstop flights to four warm weather destinations starting this fall.

 

Frontier will start service to Miami International Airport and Sarasota-Brandenton International Airport on Oct. 10, with service to Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport starting Oct. 11. It will add service to New Orleans on Nov. 15.

 

The seasonal routes are a new push by Frontier at CVG, where it has made adjustments to its schedule that resulted in fewer flights and less passenger volume over the winter. Frontier will offer 23 nonstop options for CVG travelers, according to a news release, the most of any ultra-low-cost carrier.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/06/18/airline-adds-four-new-nonstop-destinations-from.html

Delta and Canadian LCC WestJet are in talks regarding a joint venture. Canadian authorities have already approved the details while US authorities are still reviewing the project.

 

What does this mean? If it goes through, we might see Bombardier Dash 8 turboprops running the CVG-YYZ route instead of CRJ-700s and E175s. WestJet's Dash 8s carry 78 passengers while Delta regional carriers are capped at 76 seats so it would represent a small bump in capacity.

 

 

In other news, CVG passenger counts have been released.

 

May:

2019: 834,496

2018: 821,422

Variance: 1.59%

 

YTD:

2019: 3,534,806

2018: 3,439,591

Variance: 2.77%

3 hours ago, LtCheese said:

Delta and Canadian LCC WestJet are in talks regarding a joint venture. Canadian authorities have already approved the details while US authorities are still reviewing the project.

 

What does this mean? If it goes through, we might see Bombardier Dash 8 turboprops running the CVG-YYZ route instead of CRJ-700s and E175s. WestJet's Dash 8s carry 78 passengers while Delta regional carriers are capped at 76 seats so it would represent a small bump in capacity.

 

 

In other news, CVG passenger counts have been released.

 

May:

2019: 834,496

2018: 821,422

Variance: 1.59%

 

YTD:

2019: 3,534,806

2018: 3,439,591

Variance: 2.77%

Hopefully it could mean additional service to other Canadian cities. I could see Delta releasing certain lines to West Jet, the West Jet Encore service is actually nice i have flown on the Dash 8s and they have more room than the CRJ2 or 7. Service back to Montreal or even Calgary would be great.  

17 minutes ago, savadams13 said:

Hopefully it could mean additional service to other Canadian cities. I could see Delta releasing certain lines to West Jet, the West Jet Encore service is actually nice i have flown on the Dash 8s and they have more room than the CRJ2 or 7. Service back to Montreal or even Calgary would be great.  

 

WestJet currently only flies their Dash 8-400s on routes under 700 statute miles. CVG-YUL is about 690mi, putting it about at the limit of what WestJet would fly. If there is demand and the joint venture goes through, I think we would see Delta Connection flights with CRJ7s or E175s to YUL instead.

I rode the England-Idlewild mountain bike trail this past Saturday, which is just west of the airport and next to the Boone County Fairground.  

 

One Amazon Prime Air jet taking off after another...maybe more than a dozen in the 90 minutes I was there.  

 

 

Interesting...it looks like the county established the England-Idlewild Park decades ago because it's directly in the path of the east/west runway:

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/England+Idlewild+Park/@39.0496065,-84.7268135,4732m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841cf80129a1b07:0x3abd4f1bb849458!8m2!3d39.0363519!4d-84.73338

 

The clump of woods is where the mountain bike trail is, literally directly underneath the planes.  And I feel bad for the kids at the baseball diamonds, it's like Shea Stadium.  They must have to delay the games regularly because of the noise.  

16 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

I rode the England-Idlewild mountain bike trail this past Saturday, which is just west of the airport and next to the Boone County Fairground.  

 

One Amazon Prime Air jet taking off after another...maybe more than a dozen in the 90 minutes I was there.  

 

 

 

That's a nice park.  All of the parks in that area are actually on land that the airport owns. 

Given the insane amount of pollution that jets produce, I'm wondering if this Amazon Prime Airhub will end up being a negative thing for the region. As soon as Amazon can figure out a way to automate the entire process of loading/unloading the jets, sorting the products, and loading the trucks, they will. I think this will happen sooner rather than later, and the number of jobs at this facility will be fairly insignificant, all while the region's air gets polluted by aircraft that isn't providing locals with transportation. Just a thought.

Cargo flights benefit regular air passengers. In the case of CVG, we have a very large airport which is massively underutilized. The increase in cargo flights will help drive down landing fees which will reduce the cost of passenger flights either by allowing airlines to move to larger planes and/or allowing for new routes to be added economically. 

Edited July 3, 20195 yr by LtCheese

35 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

I rode the England-Idlewild mountain bike trail this past Saturday, which is just west of the airport and next to the Boone County Fairground.  

 

One Amazon Prime Air jet taking off after another...maybe more than a dozen in the 90 minutes I was there.  

 

 

 

 

Each one of these plane loses more and more money for Amazon so that they don't have to pay taxes on webhosting.

3 hours ago, richNcincy said:

 

That's a nice park.  All of the parks in that area are actually on land that the airport owns. 

 

Yeah it's definitely a pretty nice park for one that isn't centered around a reservoir lake.  The mountain bike trail network is really nice.  The trail system is situated on both sides of a creek with a range of easy trails for kids and then advanced trails in the back that keep the kids from being run over.  There is one insane jump if you're interested in breaking your neck.  

 

 

 

On 7/3/2019 at 4:54 PM, jmecklenborg said:

 

Yeah it's definitely a pretty nice park for one that isn't centered around a reservoir lake.  The mountain bike trail network is really nice.  The trail system is situated on both sides of a creek with a range of easy trails for kids and then advanced trails in the back that keep the kids from being run over.  There is one insane jump if you're interested in breaking your neck.  

 

 

 

Idlewild park has the region's best Disc Golf course as well. One of the holes is over a 1000' long and there a even water hazards and properly maintained greens. 

Amazon jets are leased and operated by third party cargo airlines.  They are not losing any money via the Amazon Air system.  It's needed to meet their new Prime Free 1 Day Delivery promise being rolled out.  Using Amazon Air is much cheaper than paying UPS to haul their packages across country.

CVG passenger numbers through June have just been released:

 

June

2018: 857,437

2019: 889,365

Variance: +3.72%

 

YTD

2018: 4,297,028

2019: 4,424,171

Variance: +2.96%

 

June was a big month for CVG with a nearly 4% YoY passenger growth. For the year, total passengers are up almost 3%. Assuming this 3% growth for the rest of the year, CVG is looking at a total of just over 9.1MM enplaned and deplaned passengers for 2019.

CVG fares on the rise again – slightly

 

 

Fares at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport have increased for the third quarter in a row, according to new government data, a change after years of falling in the wake of low-cost airlines setting up service.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/07/17/cvg-fares-on-the-rise-again-slightly.html

Hi Cincinnatians, can anyone on the ground in Cincy tell me if closing Blue Ash Airport has had any negative repercussions on your economy. Have you heard any regrets expressed by the public or lost any businesses because of it?

 

 

It didn't have any negative repercussions to the economy at all.  If anything, it brought better desirability to another suburban commercial/office center with the building of Summit Park:

 

I don't have any real data or background on this, but we also had another small airport really close anyway and closing Blue Ash probably just lead to greater efficiency and activity at Lunken Airport. Lunken can handle all of the private jets, regional business routes, and miscellaneous flights that don't need our full international airport facilities.

16 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

CVG fares on the rise again – slightly

 

Fares at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport have increased for the third quarter in a row, according to new government data, a change after years of falling in the wake of low-cost airlines setting up service.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/07/17/cvg-fares-on-the-rise-again-slightly.html

 

So now that we have a stabilized LCC/ULCC presence at CVG, downward fare pressure is lessened. Until/unless SWA decides to increase service, we probably won't see any fare dips.

 

Most of the mainline routes at CVG have little to no competition: 

DAL:

DTW, MSP, ATL, SLC, BOS

 

AAL:

DFW, CLT, MIA (Not mainline but the only daily nonstop)

 

UAL:

SFO, IAH

 

The only realistic option for legacy competition is if DAL deploys its new A220s on routes to other airline hubs which has been their strategy so far. So there's an outside chance we'd see mainline DAL flights to places like DFW or SFO using A220s since they are so efficient.

23 hours ago, Cleveland Trust said:

Hi Cincinnatians, can anyone on the ground in Cincy tell me if closing Blue Ash Airport has had any negative repercussions on your economy. Have you heard any regrets expressed by the public or lost any businesses because of it?

 

 

 

Lol, Cleveland Trust is only asking that because he's on a one person mission in the Burke Lakefront Airport thread to close it and redevelop.  Blue Ash and Burke Lakefront aren't comparable considering Burke is right in downtown Cleveland.  Also, the whole issue of closing Burke and redeveloping is a really annoying thing that gets brought up about once a year as new forumers join and don't do any research to find out that this very subject has been discussed over and over and over on UO.  It's time to drop it once and for all until the rest of downtown Cleveland gets developed first.

Edited July 19, 20195 yr by jeremyck01

8 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

 

Lol, Cleveland Trust is only asking that because he's on a one person mission in the Burke Lakefront Airport thread to close it and redevelop.  Blue Ash and Burke Lakefront aren't comparable considering Burke is right in downtown Cleveland.  Also, the whole issue of closing Burke and redeveloping is a really annoying thing that gets brought up about once a year as new forumers join and don't do any research to find out that this very subject has been discussed over and over and over on UO.  It's time to drop it once and for all until the rest of downtown Cleveland gets developed first.

So what?  I hear it only takes a 30-day notice to the FAA to close an airport. 30 days to freedom. 

Edited July 19, 20195 yr by Cleveland Trust

8 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

 

Lol, Cleveland Trust is only asking that because he's on a one person mission in the Burke Lakefront Airport thread to close it and redevelop.  Blue Ash and Burke Lakefront aren't comparable considering Burke is right in downtown Cleveland.  Also, the whole issue of closing Burke and redeveloping is a really annoying thing that gets brought up about once a year as new forumers join and don't do any research to find out that this very subject has been discussed over and over and over on UO.  It's time to drop it once and for all until the rest of downtown Cleveland gets developed first.

I’ll shift the burden of proof to you. Can you argue facts and provide data on why we should keep Burke open? I can’t find one reason. All I see are people here saying, “because we need to focus on infill downtown. We need to lure Amazon. Jimmy Hassan flys out of town from Burke. It’s too hard because the FAA... And on and on.” Talk about annoying. If you guys just want to insult me and complain about discussions you don’t like, go ahead. There is a reason why the discussion around Burke is so opaque and nothing gets done and it has nothing to do with good economics. It is an open secret.

 

Read this for an overview of arguments for closing Burke and get back to me: 

https://beltmag.com/clevelandairporttroubles/

 

From the above: “In 2011, Mayor Jackson laid out a plan for the city to spend $1.6 billion in improvements at Hopkins because of what he termed a “strong local market.”

 

“At the same time, we asked to interview Mayor Jackson or airport systems director Ricky Smith and got no response.”

 

And every article about Burke is like that. Facts and figures on one side. No response from the other.

Edited July 19, 20195 yr by Cleveland Trust

I’ve deleted a link. You’ll hear no more out of me on Burke. I’ll let you guys debate the same debunked City Hall talking points every three years. But y’all may find out you’re straight up suckas! I know I was.

 

On a final note: 

It might be helpful to get the city to sign a position statement on keeping Burke open with support for asserting we have a “strong local market.” I cannot find anything in the public record to support this statement but thousands of datapoints supporting the opposite, support to close Burke 10 years ago. I’d like to see some numbers but nobody is allowed to talk about Burke. It is always no comment. Its weird. A little data could end this debate once and for all. But the debate cannot even take place. What does that tell you? Think about it. We’re all suckas, all us armchair urban planners. Close Burke and the number of projects on this forum will double or triple. 

 

Some cities make good decisions. Some cities make bad decisions. We are the city. We give the mandate. In the end, you end up with the city that you deserve. We deserve better. 

Edited July 19, 20195 yr by Cleveland Trust

Airline adds new nonstop flights to this city

 

 

American Airlines is expanding service from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, adding a seasonal direct flight to Phoenix’s Sky Harbor International Airport from December to early April, CVG announced Tuesday.

 

The flight comes a month after American became the second-largest airline at CVG in terms of the number of passengers carried.

 

The daily flights will run Dec. 18 through April 6 and cover the holiday season as well as Cincinnati Reds spring training. American will use a 120-seat aircraft for the flights.

 

American’s Phoenix flights will depart CVG at 4:15 and arrive at 6:44 p.m. The return flight leaves Phoenix at 9:35 a.m. and arrives at CVG at 3:10 p.m.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/07/23/airline-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-this-city.html

23 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

Airline adds new nonstop flights to this city

 

 

American Airlines is expanding service from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, adding a seasonal direct flight to Phoenix’s Sky Harbor International Airport from December to early April, CVG announced Tuesday.

 

The flight comes a month after American became the second-largest airline at CVG in terms of the number of passengers carried.

 

The daily flights will run Dec. 18 through April 6 and cover the holiday season as well as Cincinnati Reds spring training. American will use a 120-seat aircraft for the flights.

 

American’s Phoenix flights will depart CVG at 4:15 and arrive at 6:44 p.m. The return flight leaves Phoenix at 9:35 a.m. and arrives at CVG at 3:10 p.m.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/07/23/airline-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-this-city.html

Service will be on A319 mainline. 

CVG-PHX is a busy route and it's nice that AAL is starting a mainline flight there. The DAL nonstop usually has high load factors when it's operating during the holiday season and obviously both SWA and Frontier have done well into the Phoenix metro.

 

Delta will still have more seats available since they fly a 737-800 but we could see a bit of a price war here.

 

 

Swamp Creatures:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

Swamp Creatures:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MAGA!

CVG Gets A New Nonstop Flight

 

Allegiant will now be flying from CVG to West Palm Beach, FL via Palm Beach International Airport beginning 11/25.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/13/cvg-gets-a-new-nonstop-flight.html

Edited August 13, 20195 yr by LtCheese

CVG Passenger Stats for July

 

July

2018: 870,446

2019: 892,244

Var: +2.5%

 

YTD

2018: 5,167,474

2019: 5,316,415

Var: +2.88%

 

Another strong month for CVG enplaned/deplaned passengers. We won't see the impact of the impact of the AAL nonstop to PHX or the Allegiant service to PBI until the end of the year but this has been a good summer at CVG.

Southwest adds seasonal CVG flights

 

Southwest Airlines announced Thursday the addition of seasonal nonstop service from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport to two Florida cities.

 

The flights from CVG to Tampa and Fort Lauderdale and back will operate Saturdays from Jan. 11 through Feb. 29, 2020.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/08/15/southwest-adds-seasonal-cvg-flights.html

 

Those aren't the flights I was hoping Southwest would add.  We already have plenty of flights to Florida vacation cities.  

At this point it's tough for Southwest to add any mainline flights due to the 737 MAX groundings. The only flights they are adding are to/from Hawaii and inter-island service because that's where the money and the opportunity is.

 

I wouldn't expect to see any permanent SWA flights until the MAX situation is sorted out.

New road to CVG terminal opens

By Chris Wetterich  – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

 

The way drivers get to the terminal at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport has changed.

The new Terminal Drive opened on Tuesday. Drivers heading to the airport will still exit Interstate 275 to Kentucky State Route 212 or Kentucky State Route 236/Donaldson Road.

 

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On 8/19/2019 at 10:25 AM, LtCheese said:

At this point it's tough for Southwest to add any mainline flights due to the 737 MAX groundings. The only flights they are adding are to/from Hawaii and inter-island service because that's where the money and the opportunity is.

 

I wouldn't expect to see any permanent SWA flights until the MAX situation is sorted out.

Based on conversation I have had with a good buddy of mine who works for Southwest in Dallas. They are still uncertain of the CVG market for additional service. They are using these seasonal routes to gauge if they can get more passengers to fly SW out of CVG. It seemed like Southwest wasnt unhappy with the level of traffic, but they arent stellar enough to throw year around service to more cities. Sounds like they are  hesitant to invest in more cities and routes until there is a healthier SWA flying base.  

New airline announces service to CVG

By Chris Wetterich  – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

Aug 28, 2019, 12:23pm EDT Updated Aug 28, 2019, 12:32pm EDT

 

A revived Milwaukee-based airline announced Wednesday that Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport will be one of its inaugural destinations.

Midwest Express, which was Milwaukee’s hometown airline for decades and known for good customer service and handing out warm cookies to passengers, will fly to Cincinnati; Grand Rapids, Mich.; and Omaha, Neb.

“We’re excited to start operating,” said Midwest Express president Greg Aretakis at a news conference in Milwaukee. "We received input from many local businesses regarding their travel needs and this feedback factored into our choice of initial destinations."

 

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It is nice to gain another non-stop to the area.