November 1, 20222 yr They misspelled "hangar" in the title, but good news! CVG, FEAM Aero break ground on $40 million aircraft maintenance hanger By Chris Wetterich – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier Nov 1, 2022 Gov. Andy Beshear and Northern Kentucky officials marked the start of construction for one of Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport’s largest projects Tuesday, a new aircraft maintenance facility that will employ 250 or more, with the potential for more growth. Miami-based FEAM Aero is building its largest base at CVG, with the maintenance facility being capable of working on three wide-bodied jets at one time. That’s in addition to FEAM’s current facility, which can handle one jet. The new hangar will be able to hold a Boeing 777 or 747 aircraft in the center bay, with 767s or smaller jets in the side bays. FEAM has operations in 42 U.S. locations and 15 European locations. “It’s more than just the investment in a facility for us. For us, we’re in the people business. We make a difference in people’s lives. We know their families. We watched them grow. We happen to work on airplanes,” FEAM CEO Fred Murphy said. MORE
November 3, 20222 yr Cincinnati and Raleigh Durham, two of Delta's ten Paris routes, will be served by the 767-400ER for the first time The latest schedule upload reveals that Delta will deploy the 767-400ER from Cincinnati and Raleigh Durham to Paris CDG next summer, the first time the largest of the 767 family has been used on the two routes. Details of the changes are as follows, and they're now reflected on Delta's website. The disharmony between Cincinnati's finish and start dates is because aircraft are 'swapped' in Paris CDG. Cincinnati to Paris CDG: 3x weekly, DL228, 18:55-09:15+1, 767-400ER from March 25th, last 767-300ER flight March 23rd Paris CDG to Cincinnati: 3x weekly, DL229, 12:00-15:25, 767-400ER from March28th, last 767-300ER flight March 25th MORE Exciting that the larger B764s will finally make an appearance at CVG. All of Delta's B764s have the new interior, including the mini "suites" in business class. We'll finally get an international business class hard product that isn't from the Bush administration.
November 3, 20222 yr 11 minutes ago, LtCheese said: Cincinnati and Raleigh Durham, two of Delta's ten Paris routes, will be served by the 767-400ER for the first time The latest schedule upload reveals that Delta will deploy the 767-400ER from Cincinnati and Raleigh Durham to Paris CDG next summer, the first time the largest of the 767 family has been used on the two routes. Details of the changes are as follows, and they're now reflected on Delta's website. The disharmony between Cincinnati's finish and start dates is because aircraft are 'swapped' in Paris CDG. Cincinnati to Paris CDG: 3x weekly, DL228, 18:55-09:15+1, 767-400ER from March 25th, last 767-300ER flight March 23rd Paris CDG to Cincinnati: 3x weekly, DL229, 12:00-15:25, 767-400ER from March28th, last 767-300ER flight March 25th MORE Exciting that the larger B764s will finally make an appearance at CVG. All of Delta's B764s have the new interior, including the mini "suites" in business class. We'll finally get an international business class hard product that isn't from the Bush administration. Shame that frequency wont go up on the route even in the summer. I am convinced that those still in leadership at Delta would love to see CVG just disappear. Problem is there is a large loyal traveling base in this region. They just have a terrible love affair with the NE ie LGA, JFK, and BOS.
November 3, 20222 yr 6 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Shame that frequency wont go up on the route even in the summer. I am convinced that those still in leadership at Delta would love to see CVG just disappear. Problem is there is a large loyal traveling base in this region. They just have a terrible love affair with the NE ie LGA, JFK, and BOS. I know CVG isn't a "focus city" anymore, but it does still have a surprisingly robust DAL route map. I think the biggest misses are the lack of mainline flights to AUS (I know we have an Endeavor CRJ9, but it could support an A220 for sure), the loss of SFO, and still no PHX. I think you could probably make the case for another transatlantic flight to either LHR or AMS as well. DAL has another 50 A220-300s on order, which could also slot nicely into many routes at CVG.
November 7, 20222 yr Frontier Airlines restarts seasonal Cincinnati to Phoenix flight By Meg Erpenbeck – Digital editor, Cincinnati Business Courier Nov 7, 2022 A flight to one of Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport's top destinations is officially back in action. more
November 7, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said: Frontier Airlines restarts seasonal Cincinnati to Phoenix flight By Meg Erpenbeck – Digital editor, Cincinnati Business Courier Nov 7, 2022 A flight to one of Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport's top destinations is officially back in action. more I wish it were more than seasonal.
November 15, 20222 yr CVG will get a new airline https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/11/15/cvg-will-get-a-new-airline.html Money is on Avelo, or Spirit. Its nothing sexy, but another low budget carrier for CVG. I just cant see an international airline anytime soon to the airport. Play would be a good option but i doubt it. Aer Lingus is out of the equation with CLE picking them up. West Jet possibly, but would there be enough demand to Western Canada for them? Mexican aviation grade prevents any airline from Mexico coming to CVG.
November 15, 20222 yr 45 minutes ago, savadams13 said: CVG will get a new airline https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/11/15/cvg-will-get-a-new-airline.html Money is on Avelo, or Spirit. Its nothing sexy, but another low budget carrier for CVG. I just cant see an international airline anytime soon to the airport. Play would be a good option but i doubt it. Aer Lingus is out of the equation with CLE picking them up. West Jet possibly, but would there be enough demand to Western Canada for them? Mexican aviation grade prevents any airline from Mexico coming to CVG. Hopefully not another carrier that will take us to places in Florida where we already have multiple Carriers.
November 15, 20222 yr 58 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said: Hopefully not another carrier that will take us to places in Florida where we already have multiple Carriers. Trust me I don't want another LCC but that's what seems to be the winning formula for CVG as of lately. I just wish Delta would restore service pre-covid.
November 16, 20222 yr Big news for CVG: apparently it's British Airways to London Heathrow. 5x weekly service on their 787 aircraft starting on June 5.
November 16, 20222 yr 12 minutes ago, CMHOhio said: Big news for CVG: apparently it's British Airways to London Heathrow. 5x weekly service on their 787 aircraft starting on June 5. WHATTTtttTTtT??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 16, 20222 yr 16 minutes ago, CMHOhio said: Big news for CVG: apparently it's British Airways to London Heathrow. 5x weekly service on their 787 aircraft starting on June 5. This make sense with American ramping up service and city offerings at CVG. I just cant see BA 5x week on 787 but maybe there is a big incentive package that no one knows about...
November 16, 20222 yr 33 minutes ago, CMHOhio said: Big news for CVG: apparently it's British Airways to London Heathrow. 5x weekly service on their 787 aircraft starting on June 5. That would be huge. They have been teasing that it is a much bigger deal than the Breeze announcement a few weeks back and would have many more flights. That made me skeptical that it would be another low cost carrier who would have 2-3 flights a week out of the airport. Jet Blue would have been a nice addition but BA is huge. Also, you have to figure that with a BA flight to London, American will likely be growing their presence here locally with additional domestic flights to help funnel more domestic demand to the flight.
November 16, 20222 yr 16 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: That would be huge. They have been teasing that it is a much bigger deal than the Breeze announcement a few weeks back and would have many more flights. That made me skeptical that it would be another low cost carrier who would have 2-3 flights a week out of the airport. Jet Blue would have been a nice addition but BA is huge. Also, you have to figure that with a BA flight to London, American will likely be growing their presence here locally with additional domestic flights to help funnel more domestic demand to the flight. Would be very BIG News if true and a huge statement about the Cincinnati Market. The Paris Flights with Delta and London Heathrow flights with British is super! Edited November 16, 20222 yr by 646empire
November 16, 20222 yr 2 minutes ago, 646empire said: Would be very BIG News if true and a huge statement about the Cincinnati Market. The Paris Flights with Delta and London Heathrow flights with British is super! The thing is, in the past, something this big has leaked out before the announcement and people are expecting it a week or two before the official announcement. When Southwest came to town, it was pretty much known or talked about for a couple weeks. When Alaska started service, people pretty much knew about it days ahead of time. This announcement, which I have heard as described as a huge deal, much bigger than Breeze coming to town, could indicate a British Airways flight but given past precedent, you would figure that the airport would have leaked stories about potentially trying to get more European destinations to CVG soon or that BA was starting to actively consider expanding to the Midwest again. There just have not been the whispers on this yet (or at least not very loud whispers). If anything, the CVG board is doing a much better job at keeping their big press announcements under wraps.
November 16, 20222 yr Anyone know the link to the facebook live stream? The folks at airliners.net (https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1478627&hilit=cvg&start=50) seem to think it is BA to LHR
November 16, 20222 yr It's BA! Here is the link to the livestream: https://www.facebook.com/CVGairport/live_videos
November 16, 20222 yr This is extremely exciting news for CVG in particular and for the Greater Cincinnati area in general. As others have said, this will undoubtedly coincide with an increased presence of AAL at CVG, which can only be a good thing.
November 16, 20222 yr Massive! 5x a week during the Summer then 4x a week during the winter. All on a 787 Dreamliner with premium offerings! What a great day! “British Airways will launch a direct flight from CVG to London-Heathrow Airport next year. Tickets are on sale now on British Airways' website, and the flights will launch on a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner aircraft on June 5, 2023. It will be the only direct flight to London from Kentucky, Ohio and Indiana.” https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2022/11/16/british-airways-cvg-airport-london-heathrow-direct-flight/69653464007/ Edited November 16, 20222 yr by 646empire
November 16, 20222 yr 13 minutes ago, 646empire said: Massive! 5x a week during the Summer then 4x a week during the winter. All on a 787 Dreamliner with premium offerings! What a great day! “British Airways will launch a direct flight from CVG to London-Heathrow Airport next year. Tickets are on sale now on British Airways' website, and the flights will launch on a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner aircraft on June 5, 2023. It will be the only direct flight to London from Kentucky, Ohio and Indiana.” https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2022/11/16/british-airways-cvg-airport-london-heathrow-direct-flight/69653464007/ Finally! Biggest news since the Amazon air hub.
November 16, 20222 yr Lots of chatter and fan fare at CVG this afternoon, still surprised we landed British Airways
November 16, 20222 yr For anyone curious, here is the seat layout for BA's 787-8: 35 J: Business Class Seats 25 W: Premium Economy Seats 154 Y: Standard Economy Seats https://www.aerolopa.com/ba-lopa-78b That's a pretty solid seat mix without being too premium heavy, like their 787-9s and -10s. Should work well in this market.
November 16, 20222 yr Flights leave Cincy at 9:30pm, arrive in London at 10:15am. Flights leave London at 4pm, arrive in Cincinnati at 7:45pm. You couldn't really ask for a better schedule IMO.
November 16, 20222 yr 2 minutes ago, ryanlammi said: Flights leave Cincy at 9:30pm, arrive in London at 10:15am. Flights leave London at 4pm, arrive in Cincinnati at 7:45pm. You couldn't really ask for a better schedule IMO. I agree the schedule is really nice
November 16, 20222 yr This is huge and honestly a bit unexpected! There are some people over on airliners.net worried about how this London flight will scare away Delta from continuing to fly the Paris route. In my opinion, there isn't much to worry about because GE Aviation ships a ton of engine parts over to France on the CVG-CDG flight which helps subsidize the costs. I think there is plenty of market for both flights.
November 16, 20222 yr 2 minutes ago, OliverHazardPerry said: There are some people over on airliners.net worried about how this London flight will scare away Delta from continuing to fly the Paris route. In my opinion, there isn't much to worry about because GE Aviation ships a ton of engine parts over to France on the CVG-CDG flight which helps subsidize the costs. I think there is plenty of market for both flights. DAL also just upgauged the CVG-CDG flight to a 767-400ER. Admittedly, it's partially because they are beginning to pull some 767-300s out of service, but it's still a vote of confidence for the security of that route.
November 16, 20222 yr 18 minutes ago, LtCheese said: This is extremely exciting news for CVG in particular and for the Greater Cincinnati area in general. As others have said, this will undoubtedly coincide with an increased presence of AAL at CVG, which can only be a good thing. American and Alaska are both OneWorld members, I would not be surprised to see some expansion from those carriers in the near future. Hopefully an AA flight to St. Louis is in the works soon and maybe another Alaska flight to California (or maybe Hawaii or Anchorage) or something. Or maybe American would consider making CVG a focus city and funneling more regional flights here to increase the international demand. Personally, I do not know why AA wants to compete at O'Hare with United. From a route standpoint, they could funnel many of those routes through CVG, have a lot less congestion, fewer delays, cheaper gate fees (because of Amazon), and better weather resulting in fewer weather delays than Chicago. Flying out of O-Hare sucks, from a connection standpoint, a different Midwest hub could be a competitive advantage for AA, even if it is only a smaller hub/focus city.
November 16, 20222 yr 5 minutes ago, OliverHazardPerry said: This is huge and honestly a bit unexpected! There are some people over on airliners.net worried about how this London flight will scare away Delta from continuing to fly the Paris route. In my opinion, there isn't much to worry about because GE Aviation ships a ton of engine parts over to France on the CVG-CDG flight which helps subsidize the costs. I think there is plenty of market for both flights. At one time there were nonstops to Paris, London, Frankfurt and Rome from CVG. I am sure this wont scare Delta away
November 16, 20222 yr 17 minutes ago, OliverHazardPerry said: This is huge and honestly a bit unexpected! There are some people over on airliners.net worried about how this London flight will scare away Delta from continuing to fly the Paris route. In my opinion, there isn't much to worry about because GE Aviation ships a ton of engine parts over to France on the CVG-CDG flight which helps subsidize the costs. I think there is plenty of market for both flights. I agree not worried at all both will do very well. Edited November 16, 20222 yr by 646empire
November 16, 20222 yr 19 hours ago, savadams13 said: I just cant see an international airline anytime soon to the airport. cvg - HAHA YOU FOOL
November 16, 20222 yr 23 minutes ago, LtCheese said: For anyone curious, here is the seat layout for BA's 787-8: 35 J: Business Class Seats 25 W: Premium Economy Seats 154 Y: Standard Economy Seats https://www.aerolopa.com/ba-lopa-78b That's a pretty solid seat mix without being too premium heavy, like their 787-9s and -10s. Should work well in this market. As someone that uses BA 223 out of BNA frequently, I will caution users in Cinci that the flight ends up delayed all the time. The slightest little maintenance issue on this end and you're sitting their for hours, crew timing out, and no food on the plane once it does go. However, as a Cleveland based flier I'm just a bit jealous also! Congrats to CVG!
November 16, 20222 yr 14 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: ...another Alaska flight to California (or maybe Hawaii or Anchorage) or something... I agree a flight to Hawaii is a clear gap in the route map here at CVG. AK probably couldn't do it though, as the range of even a 737 MAX 7 is just barely enough to get from CVG-HNL.
November 16, 20222 yr 41 minutes ago, stashua123 said: cvg - HAHA YOU FOOL How old are you ? Calling someone a fool that travels weekly for work, for my observation. I wouldn't have guessed let alone anyone else in the business community that British was coming to CVG. They backed out of STL and IND deals and the way the Aer Lingus deal happened at CLE there was no way we were going to land British
November 16, 20222 yr 39 minutes ago, LtCheese said: I agree a flight to Hawaii is a clear gap in the route map here at CVG. AK probably couldn't do it though, as the range of even a 737 MAX 7 is just barely enough to get from CVG-HNL. Honestly, I dont see a flight to either anytime soon. If any, would point to Alaska over Hawaii given its status as a shipping hub, but could nto see that happening without hub status. What I would love to see is flights to STL, Kansas City, Nashville, Cleveland, San Fran, Buffalo, Rochester all restored as part of the network Maybe getting greedy, a flight to Germany too.
November 16, 20222 yr 4 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Honestly, I dont see a flight to either anytime soon. If any, would point to Alaska over Hawaii given its status as a shipping hub, but could nto see that happening without hub status. What I would love to see is flights to STL, Kansas City, Nashville, Cleveland, San Fran, Buffalo, Rochester all restored as part of the network Maybe getting greedy, a flight to Germany too. Kansas City, San Francisco, and Nashville would be my top picks. I miss that direct on Continental to CLE and with Ultimate Air no longer running connection isn't that easy now. I really thought Delta would follow through with their announcement about restoring service to ORD, DFW, and SFO. Looks like they are just moving on instead...
November 16, 20222 yr 4 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Kansas City, San Francisco, and Nashville would be my top picks. I miss that direct on Continental to CLE and with Ultimate Air no longer running connection isn't that easy now. I really thought Delta would follow through with their announcement about restoring service to ORD, DFW, and SFO. Looks like they are just moving on instead... I think the future of CVG passenger growth is going to come on American instead of Delta. Delta will keep a decent presence but you have to think American will likely have a similar route network as Delta in the future, IMO
November 16, 20222 yr 5 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: I think the future of CVG passenger growth is going to come on American instead of Delta. Delta will keep a decent presence but you have to think American will likely have a similar route network as Delta in the future, IMO Oh no doubt in my mind within the year or two American will make some call out that CVG will be a focus city for them. When I think of cities that American would connect CVG to that's what becomes a thinker. They have service to all major hubs except LAX, maybe service to Portland for Alaska connectivity? Or just go from more Eagle flights to mainline.
November 16, 20222 yr 29 minutes ago, savadams13 said: How old are you ? Calling someone a fool that travels weekly for work, for my observation. I wouldn't have guessed let alone anyone else in the business community that British was coming to CVG. They backed out of STL and IND deals and the way the Aer Lingus deal happened at CLE there was no way we were going to land British It was meant to be a joke meme of HAHA YOU FOOL nothing personal at you you arent a fool! sorry if you took it personally.
November 16, 20222 yr 22 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Oh no doubt in my mind within the year or two American will make some call out that CVG will be a focus city for them. When I think of cities that American would connect CVG to that's what becomes a thinker. They have service to all major hubs except LAX, maybe service to Portland for Alaska connectivity? Or just go from more Eagle flights to mainline. I am betting it going to be mostly Eagle flights you will see. American Eagle already has a local pilot base in Cincy so it would not be too difficult to grow it from there.
November 16, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, savadams13 said: Lots of chatter and fan fare at CVG this afternoon, still surprised we landed British Airways I have to say, they could do better than the Keep Calm slogan. It got overused back in 2012
November 17, 20222 yr 6 hours ago, Cleburger said: As someone that uses BA 223 out of BNA frequently, I will caution users in Cinci that the flight ends up delayed all the time. The slightest little maintenance issue on this end and you're sitting their for hours, crew timing out, and no food on the plane once it does go. However, as a Cleveland based flier I'm just a bit jealous also! Congrats to CVG! You guys got the flight to Dublin which I was super jealous about!
November 17, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, Ucgrad2015 said: You guys got the flight to Dublin which I was super jealous about! Cleveland paid a small fortune for it. And it is only 4 times per week. CLE has not had much luck with international service. London and Paris via Continental did not last very long. Nor did Reykjavik via WOW and IcelandAir.
November 17, 20222 yr 13 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: Cleveland paid a small fortune for it. And it is only 4 times per week. CLE has not had much luck with international service. London and Paris via Continental did not last very long. Nor did Reykjavik via WOW and IcelandAir. The price paid for Cleveland-Dublin was not as disadvantageous as the newspaper made it seem. At worst it will cost about $5.3 a year, to be reduced by Aer Lingus offering fewer than daily flights and by the success of the route. CO ran CLE-London for about 10 years with good loads; CLE-Paris had better loads than the London flight during the one year it operated. The routes were terminated AFTER the UA merger was announced. The Iceland flights drew 54000 boardings during the 4 1/2 months they operated; if they weren't profitable, it was the airlines' fault. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
November 17, 20222 yr Thanks, @Dougal. I didn't realize the London flights lasted that long. I know it was LGW initially, then later switched to LHR when a slot opened up. I believe both the London and Paris flights were seasonal.
November 17, 20222 yr British Airways: Ohio, Kentucky anted up millions in incentives to land carrier As Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport competed against other cities in the region for a new British Airways flight to London, Ohio and Kentucky provided key incentives to land it. The states kicked in a three-year revenue guarantee for British Airways worth millions of dollars, but officials declined to provide an exact figure. The way the performance-based incentive works is that if British Airways does not achieve a certain amount of revenue per flight, JobsOhio, the state’s private economic development company, will make up the difference. But if enough passengers buy tickets, the state will not have to pay any money. JobsOhio is funded by profits from the state-owned liquor business, not general tax dollars. Kentucky provided unspecified aid in the package as well. “As long as this route does well, it will be a very limited subsidy,” Ohio Lt. Gov. Jon Husted said. JobsOhio officials declined to disclose precise dollar figures, saying it is a competitive, trade secret. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/11/17/british-airways-ohio-kentucky-incentives.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 7, 20222 yr Breeze Airways adds Orange County, Providence flights at CVG One of Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport's newest carriers is adding two more direct routes locally before its inaugural flights have even begun. On Wednesday, Breeze Airways announced its adding direct routes locally to both Orange County, Calif., and Providence, R.I. The announcement comes roughly two months after the carrier launched by JetBlue founder David Neeleman revealed it would launch service locally, starting with San Francisco and Charleston, S.C., this February. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/12/07/breeze-airways-cvg-flights.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 8, 20222 yr On 12/7/2022 at 10:17 AM, ColDayMan said: Breeze Airways adds Orange County, Providence flights at CVG Another route to SoCal is good for CVG considering the DL flight to LAX is our only nonstop.
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