Posted January 11, 200619 yr http://www.cleveland.com/believe/ You can view all of the various forms of advertising/campaigning that is being done at the moment. I found out from the huge full-page ad in the PD today.
January 11, 200619 yr BELIEVE, DAMNIT, BELIEVE!!!!!!! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
January 11, 200619 yr I cannot believe the PD would actually say something nice about Cleveland. It is the most negative newspaper I have ever read.
January 11, 200619 yr I'll be sure to tell David Plata. I'm sure he'll appreciate it! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 13, 200718 yr City tries to sway New Yorkers to relocate Saturday, January 13, 2007 Susan Vinella Plain Dealer Reporter When 23-year-old Geoff Decker told some friends he was considering a move from New York City to Cleveland, his buddies "made some gross sounds" and basically told him he was crazy. To New Yorkers, after all, there is no better place to live than New York. Hip, vibrant and teeming with young people. The city sells itself. Cleveland, on the other hand, needs a little marketing help... To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: [email protected], 216-999-5010 http://www.civicinnovationlab.org/jan132007.aspx
January 13, 200718 yr Another good idea...poor execution. I'd like to know who the "partners" are in this. Why put these people in limos?? Put them on public transportation as NYers are used to public transportation. People who live in Queens, Brooklyn, the BX and Jersey have basically the same transportation options as we have here in Cleveland. Thank goodness, they didn't take them back to crocker park, whoever suggested that should be fired on the spot! :shoot: I'd like to know: Who were the partners other than the AP exactly what the tour consisted of what areas they saw? Who were the tour guides and how knowledgable of the city they are? Of the guides what percentage where people of color, women & gay/lesbian?
January 13, 200718 yr Why put these people in limos, but them on public transportation as NYers are used to public transportation. People who live in Queens, Brooklyn, the BX and Jersey have basically the same transportation options as we have here in Cleveland. Amen. Thank goodness, they didnt take them back to crocker park, whoever suggested that should be fired on the spot! Amen, Part II! Hey guys, when are we going to form a business comprised of UrbanOhioans to provide these tours? We already have experience in this, thanks to Justin Glanville and Erin Aleman (Emerging Cleveland tours for ex-pats). There are others here who also know their way around (and not by limo) to cool urban places (and not Crocker Park). http://www.clevelandcityliving.com/article.php?7 Or for those who haven't seen it lately, check out: http://www.comehometocleveland.com/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 13, 200718 yr Preach on! Why in the world would they think people from NYC would like Crocker Park? Maybe if they were from San Diego and it was warm and sunny that day, I could see the connection. I want to know how old these people are giving the tour. Here's how I would do this sort of thing: 1. Enlist the help of people of varying ages so you can tailor your tour guides to the demo of your tourists. 2. Do a pre-trip survey of these people to find out who they are and what they like. 3. Make sure you show them attractive people. This is vain, obviously, but come on! Single people want to live where there are lots of attractive singles. My question about marketing NEO is, how come they never, ever show the Rapid? Whenever there's a TV show or sporting event in a city like NYC or Boston, they do that quick shot of the trains to show that it's a "city." All we ever see is a quick blip of Terminal Tower and then Jacob's Field.
January 13, 200718 yr I hope they showed them a condo like this. Look at the rooftop pool! I want that! http://www.downtown-digs.com/ME2/Sites/dirmod.asp?sid=586CA122EB394032BD4AA3B686FF03D9&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=1578600D80804596A222593669321019&tier=4&id=88C4192EE0C24D17B449BD29A0035C7D&SiteID=F5DD86EE6BB54C5094687CE5A58526DA
January 13, 200718 yr If only the chesterfield went condo. I must admit, the views for the pool are amazing!
January 13, 200718 yr I hope they showed them a condo like this. Look at the rooftop pool! I want that! http://www.downtown-digs.com/ME2/Sites/dirmod.asp?sid=586CA122EB394032BD4AA3B686FF03D9&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=1578600D80804596A222593669321019&tier=4&id=88C4192EE0C24D17B449BD29A0035C7D&SiteID=F5DD86EE6BB54C5094687CE5A58526DA if they are looking for selling points i hope developers like stark and wolstein and everybody else see this quote: “The pool is the main reason I moved here in March, because the rooftop deck has a panoramic view of the lake, the stadium and the city from east to west,” says Belzer, 25. wouldnt hurt buildings to have more rooftop amenities that show off the city like that -- besides pools, bars, decks and cabanas are other attractive options.
January 13, 200718 yr ^All excellent points, esp MyTwoSense's. When I saw "limo" and "Crocker Park" tour/lure setup, immediately I, once again, saw that as a City WE JUST DON'T GET IT. As I've long said, our biggest barrier to becoming a true urban city here in Cleveland is our own distorted/limited mindset. We need a massive paradigm shift here. It's like a realtor at a party told us a year ago: "... we [here in Cleveland] just don't get the urban thing -- when people here see more than one or 2 black or Hispanic men walking together, they think it's a gang and are ready to run back to their lilly-white, homogeneous suburbs." BTW, the speaker was a young white, not black/Hispanic man... Is it not surprising, therefore, that the young Hudson NYC expatriate woman/professional was influenced/turned on by E.4th, the Corner Alley, Stonebridge and Bridgeview in the WHD? ... Someday, SOMEDAY, maybe before the close the pine box on me, Cleveland will finally learn what being a city is again (like our grandparents knew), and stop this air-head, bullshit mentality that utopia isn't cookie cuter, homogeneous cul-de-sacs in freeway/big box suburbia.
January 14, 200718 yr The first tour group was taken to Crocker Park, the mall in Westlake. BRILLIANT!! We can get them to move to the city by showing them that the subrurbs are better... :wtf:
January 14, 200718 yr Umm, sorry, but I would never "wine and dine" ANYONE on the bus! I don't care if they just got off the plane from Bangalore, if they are important enough to fly out and give a tour to, you get a friggin' limo!
January 14, 200718 yr When the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad held their spring fundraiser for Cleveland executives and other wealthy people, they held it in RTA's Central Rail Facility off East 55th. They turned the maintenance building into a red-carpet showplace. Background over... How did these high-rollers get there? CVSR had a valet on Prospect at Tower City. Guests went down to the Shaker Rapid station platforms where there were white-gloved attendants offering champagne, hors doevres and gift bags. RTA provided a dedicated express shuttle Shaker rapids (one of the recent rebuilds) from Tower City into the maintenance building at Central Rail. RTA did the same thing during the International Children's Games -- offering dedicated express shuttle Red Line trains from the airport to downtown for arrivals. And they ran three-car Green Line shuttles to downtown for those coming from sporting venues at John Carroll to the Malls. It can be done. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 14, 200718 yr The part of town he grew up in is pretty average. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 15, 200718 yr Another good idea...poor execution. I'd like to know who the "partners" are in this. Why put these people in limos?? Put them on public transportation as NYers are used to public transportation. People who live in Queens, Brooklyn, the BX and Jersey have basically the same transportation options as we have here in Cleveland. Thank goodness, they didn't take them back to crocker park, whoever suggested that should be fired on the spot! :shoot: I'd like to know: Who were the partners other than the AP exactly what the tour consisted of what areas they saw? Who were the tour guides and how knowledgable of the city they are? Of the guides what percentage where people of color, women & gay/lesbian? Hey guys, when are we going to form a business comprised of UrbanOhioans to provide these tours? We already have experience in this, thanks to Justin Glanville and Erin Aleman (Emerging Cleveland tours for ex-pats). There are others here who also know their way around (and not by limo) to cool urban places (and not Crocker Park). MTS- Couldn't agree with you more. The people/ organization that had the bright idea of sending New Yorkers to Croker Park should be terminated IMMEDIATELY. How the H#ll do you send New Yorkers on a limo to Croker Park?!! Is this supposed to be their idea of marketing Cleveland? What does this do to bring others outside of the region to the city proper?!! KJP- I'm all for getting a group of us together to market the city PROPERLY- instead of sending outsiders to the suburbs (again, who came up with this very bright idea??). It appears that we would have more insight as to how to market the city than people that are actually paid to do it.
January 15, 200718 yr Just something to think about. Taking them to crocker park could also work in the negative, its a bland white (no offense to anyone) boring suburb. Even with crocker park there, what else is there to do in walking distance or what is unique about Westlake? Nothing. New Yorkers or people who have lived in NYC for any significant time, like the unique life & energy of the city, and crocker park is not exciting, so its unappealing to city dwellers. I wonder if the tour group complained or questioned why they were taken out to the burbs if the office is in the city? This portion of the tour, may have done more damage than good, hence the need to drop Crocker Park from the scedule.
January 16, 200718 yr Since you asked, there was an Urban Ohioan giving parts of both the December and January tours. Oh yeah, it was me! I was given the east side, which is where I work and where I grew up. This was deemed a weakness on the part of the rest of the tour department, so they sought out some east side help and they found it in me! I think they could've done worse, no? Let me just get a few things off my chest, since I just discovered this thread and have read a lot of negative energy... This thing went REALLY well, both in December and last weekend. They had both corporate (NYC) and local human resources people on the tours and they've welcomed (thus far) two groups of about 10 people each. December had more of a mixture of people...some from MN, some from NYC and NJ, and elsewhere I believe. This tour was predominantly NYC/NJ and one couple from DC. They did survey the visitors this time before they arrived and they've surveyed them afterwards as well. Not sure what the results are, but I'll keep you posted where I am able. We had a welcome happy hour Downtown and got to know each other before getting into details of the city. The crowds that I was responsible for were predominantly 20-somethings, looking for rentals and trying to familiarize themselves with neighborhoods. I understand that some of the higher-up transfers have made their own arrangements with realtors and I know very little about how this has gone. The December tour was kinda haphazardly thrown together, from what I gathered, and I was involved only about three days before the folks arrived. I'm not sure where/when the City was involved, but that could have a lot to do with PR Newswire if they didn't give them a heads up. Again, I don't know about this. That said, it went well on both sides of town (minus the Crocker Park mishap!). On that subject, I think those responsible for the west side tour realized that it was a waste of valuable time and perhaps misguided to take them to Westlake. They replaced that portion of the trip with visits to Battery Park and Edgewater this time. No one on the December tour talked about Crocker park when I met them on Saturday. People wanted to go back to Ohio City and Stonebridge. PR Newswire put its people up in the Hyatt at the Arcade. They spent loads of money Downtown on E. 4th Street and in the Warehouse District. They went to lunch at Great Lakes, took their people to the West Side Market, and dined in Little Italy on multiple occasions. They walked when it was convenient (Downtown) and when it was time for the tours, yes, we used the limo buses. (Actually, my first tour in December was in a little white van and it sucked!) I think these limos were a bit over the top (they could've easily just used tour van/buses without all the frills), but they were practical as a mode for getting around quickly. Keep in mind that I had this crew for about 5 hours on a Saturday and was expected to take them from Downtown, through the east side and back, showing them a number of apartments and neighborhoods along the way. I took them to Statler, Reserve Square, Tower Press, Parkside Dwellings (Univ. Circle), up and down Rockefeller Park, Wade Oval, Shaker Square, Coventry, Little Italy, and back to E. 4th. We had a nice lunch at Guarino's in there too and even spotted a celebrity (Kevin Pollak)! Could I have done this via rapid or bus in 5 hours? Hell no! And you know I love me some public transportation! I was given free reign to talk about what I thought was important. Some of the visitors had expressed concerns about needing a car. So, I addressed public transit and walkable amenities EVERYWHERE we went. Some expressed disappointment in the retail that they'd seen. So, I took them around Shaker Square, drove them by Larchmere, hit Coventry (no complaints from the peanut gallery!), mentioned Cedar/Lee & Cedar Fairmount, talked about the Uptown (UARD) project, spent time in the Live/Work District, and discussed the neighborhood shopping districts on the west side (Professor, Clifton, etc.) that they may not have seen. I told them about their options Downtown as well and highlighted where amenity retail was located. I also gave them packages with everything from CDC apartment guides to CityWheels brochures. In the end, I reminded them that a tour in a car/bus is so much different than a tour on a bike or on foot. That if they didn't have any idea where they were or where they'd been, I wouldn't be surprised! I think that we'll get a good portion of them to move to Cleveland. Some of them have already committed and others were clearly leaning this way. And to our credit, everyone that wanted to take a second look at a place or sign a lease was doing so between W. 25th and E. 13th. Any more questions?
January 16, 200718 yr ^^ WELL! How we were supposed to know! These newspaper articles should come with a "Urban Ohio endorsed" logo!! ;) Good job! Sounds like an awesome tour.
January 16, 200718 yr They were pretty cool... I just wish I had a full weekend to get into their heads! Trust that I plugged Emerging Cleveland and UrbanOhio along the way. They've got to do some of their own homework, after all! Also, we UrbanOhioans know to never trust a PD article as the FULL truth...
January 16, 200718 yr I agree that the Crocker Park idea was awful. However, I think the people who are so adamantly sure that the limo-buses were a bad idea should try to coordinate a tour of 20-30 people, during Cleveland's not-always-friendly weather, and relying on RTA's timetables. It's easy to armchair quarterback (or tour guide) but until you've walked or toured a mile in someone's shoes, you have no concept of how difficult it is to pull off. I'm all too familiar with how difficult it is to organize tours, even just between downtown and Ohio City and I can only imagine how hard it is to get everyone on board (visitors and destinations alike) with a tour of this magnitude. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
January 16, 200718 yr There are more than a few of us on here that understand that perspective (thanks MayDay!) and I think we'd all prefer to do the tours on foot/bike/transit, but yes, it's just too much to coordinate when you're trying to cover a lot of ground in different parts of town. We'd have been waiting for the bus for half the morning! That said, if I could've had them for a full day, sometime between April and October, I'd have given them a kick-ass walking/transit tour. I've done this with friends, but this was a little more high-pressure, with appointments about every 30 minutes at different buildings.
January 16, 200718 yr Any idea of how well-paid these people are? It's really something else to be getting the star treatment when your company relocates jobs. At least for once the jobs are coming here!!
January 16, 200718 yr I don't have salary information, but like I said, the people I took around were all 20-somethings or early 30-somethings. PR Newswire is really putting together nice relocation packages for their employees, including these "familiarization" trips. I don't know anyone who has checked out Albuquerque, but I would assume that some people located on the West Coast would be checking it out. I also don't know if their pay is being adjusted. I would assume not. In most cases, this would mean that they'd be making better money than an equivalent position in Cleveland and would be able to afford more apartment or more house. To that end, a number of them had expressed interest in lease-to-own programs, which were featured at places like Reserve Square, Stonebridge, and the Schoolhouse Lofts in Little Italy.
January 16, 200718 yr I'm interested in lease-to-own, as well, specifically at Schoolhouse Lofts... Where can I get info on that? Thanks! :)
January 16, 200718 yr Thanks for the descriptions, MGD. I still we need to form a business to conduct these kinds of tours for relocating employees or new-hires from outside of Northeast Ohio. Geez, we could probably thrive just on the new-hires at the Cleveland Clinic! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 17, 200718 yr Since you asked, there was an Urban Ohioan giving parts of both the December and January tours. Oh yeah, it was me! I was given the east side, which is where I work and where I grew up. This was deemed a weakness on the part of the rest of the tour department, so they sought out some east side help and they found it in me! I think they could've done worse, no? Let me just get a few things off my chest, since I just discovered this thread and have read a lot of negative energy... This thing went REALLY well, both in December and last weekend. They had both corporate (NYC) and local human resources people on the tours and they've welcomed (thus far) two groups of about 10 people each. December had more of a mixture of people...some from MN, some from NYC and NJ, and elsewhere I believe. This tour was predominantly NYC/NJ and one couple from DC. They did survey the visitors this time before they arrived and they've surveyed them afterwards as well. Not sure what the results are, but I'll keep you posted where I am able. We had a welcome happy hour Downtown and got to know each other before getting into details of the city. The crowds that I was responsible for were predominantly 20-somethings, looking for rentals and trying to familiarize themselves with neighborhoods. I understand that some of the higher-up transfers have made their own arrangements with realtors and I know very little about how this has gone. The December tour was kinda haphazardly thrown together, from what I gathered, and I was involved only about three days before the folks arrived. I'm not sure where/when the City was involved, but that could have a lot to do with PR Newswire if they didn't give them a heads up. Again, I don't know about this. That said, it went well on both sides of town (minus the Crocker Park mishap!). On that subject, I think those responsible for the west side tour realized that it was a waste of valuable time and perhaps misguided to take them to Westlake. They replaced that portion of the trip with visits to Battery Park and Edgewater this time. No one on the December tour talked about Crocker park when I met them on Saturday. People wanted to go back to Ohio City and Stonebridge. PR Newswire put its people up in the Hyatt at the Arcade. They spent loads of money Downtown on E. 4th Street and in the Warehouse District. They went to lunch at Great Lakes, took their people to the West Side Market, and dined in Little Italy on multiple occasions. They walked when it was convenient (Downtown) and when it was time for the tours, yes, we used the limo buses. (Actually, my first tour in December was in a little white van and it sucked!) I think these limos were a bit over the top (they could've easily just used tour van/buses without all the frills), but they were practical as a mode for getting around quickly. Keep in mind that I had this crew for about 5 hours on a Saturday and was expected to take them from Downtown, through the east side and back, showing them a number of apartments and neighborhoods along the way. I took them to Statler, Reserve Square, Tower Press, Parkside Dwellings (Univ. Circle), up and down Rockefeller Park, Wade Oval, Shaker Square, Coventry, Little Italy, and back to E. 4th. We had a nice lunch at Guarino's in there too and even spotted a celebrity (Kevin Pollak)! Could I have done this via rapid or bus in 5 hours? Hell no! And you know I love me some public transportation! I was given free reign to talk about what I thought was important. Some of the visitors had expressed concerns about needing a car. So, I addressed public transit and walkable amenities EVERYWHERE we went. Some expressed disappointment in the retail that they'd seen. So, I took them around Shaker Square, drove them by Larchmere, hit Coventry (no complaints from the peanut gallery!), mentioned Cedar/Lee & Cedar Fairmount, talked about the Uptown (UARD) project, spent time in the Live/Work District, and discussed the neighborhood shopping districts on the west side (Professor, Clifton, etc.) that they may not have seen. I told them about their options Downtown as well and highlighted where amenity retail was located. I also gave them packages with everything from CDC apartment guides to CityWheels brochures. In the end, I reminded them that a tour in a car/bus is so much different than a tour on a bike or on foot. That if they didn't have any idea where they were or where they'd been, I wouldn't be surprised! I think that we'll get a good portion of them to move to Cleveland. Some of them have already committed and others were clearly leaning this way. And to our credit, everyone that wanted to take a second look at a place or sign a lease was doing so between W. 25th and E. 13th. Any more questions? Thanks for the info. Sounds like you did a nice job showing them around!!
January 17, 200718 yr ^^ **NICE!** I will give them a call/e-mail. I have to give 60 days notice on my current place by March 1, and this is very intriguing, provided I can afford it.
January 17, 200718 yr they had only one vacant rental unit as of last week. It wasn't all that great. The bedroom was actually a loft over the kitching. My friend's unit that she bought is sweet, though! I don't know how it's set up (lease-own), so it's definitely worth a call.
January 18, 200718 yr Also, we UrbanOhioans know to never trust a PD article as the FULL truth... Yeah, but NEW folks to the area don't know that. I hope you informed them of this! Thanks for clarifying and I'm SO GLAD you were apart of this as I know feel they got a "true" tour and explanation of our neighborhoods. Especially since you have lived in bother New York and Cleveland. None of them bought on Shaker Square? :| What was there impression of our various 'hoods? I agree that the Crocker Park idea was awful. However, I think the people who are so adamantly sure that the limo-buses were a bad idea should try to coordinate a tour of 20-30 people, during Cleveland's not-always-friendly weather, and relying on RTA's timetables. It's easy to armchair quarterback (or tour guide) but until you've walked or toured a mile in someone's shoes, you have no concept of how difficult it is to pull off. I'm all too familiar with how difficult it is to organize tours, even just between downtown and Ohio City and I can only imagine how hard it is to get everyone on board (visitors and destinations alike) with a tour of this magnitude. HBIC, you're 100% correct, however, it was the PD which made no mention of the amount of people that were actually involved. I read it as they were parading 5/6 people around in limos trying to hard to sell the city. The way you explain it and as MGD stated (he only had a ste amount of time) I know understand why there was transportation. I would expect "contracted" employees to have relocation services provided by a Real Estate firm via the AP. Lets hope THESE folks are shown homes in the heart of the city. check it: http://murrayhillcondos.net/ I would not buy a multi bedroom home, over 800 sq.ft. with ONE bathroom, there is low/no resale value in that. I just have the feeling a person would be stuck in the market for a while and wouldn't be able to "buy up".
January 18, 200718 yr Maybe these people should take the tour http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3300&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
January 18, 200718 yr ^Thats one of the things holding older parts of cities back; people want open floorplans, large kitchens, and more than 1 bathroom, or atleast an additional half bath. Because we have a higher standard of living now, people have greater expectations in housing stock.
January 18, 200718 yr ^Thats one of the things holding older parts of cities back; people want open floorplans, large kitchens, and more than 1 bathroom, or atleast an additional half bath. Because we have a higher standard of living now, people have greater expectations in housing stock. Open floor plans - what a rip off! :weird: I want a living room and a dining room not a great room. You lose a room only to have them combined into a smaller amount of square ft., then renamed, "great room". What a joke! I want to be able to sit in my living room or eat in my dining room and enjoy my guests without them seeing dirty dishes or smelling things coming from the kitchen. That is why I love PRE WAR buildings!
January 18, 200718 yr but when you market a city you follow trends, not your own personal taste! Be damned with trends! I am a style guru!
January 18, 200718 yr That's right - keep telling that to yourself :lol: clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
January 21, 200718 yr That's right - keep telling that to yourself :lol: LMAO!! :-D Quiet you two! I'll have none of that insubordination! :whip:
January 21, 200718 yr That's right - keep telling that to yourself :lol: LMAO!! :-D Quiet you two! I'll have none of that insubordination! :whip: oooo....I'm so scared....NOT! :-P
January 25, 200718 yr The 'we need a paradigm shift' comment struck home. I'm reminded of the Ohio City neighborhood having a fit when Moda closed on 25th and they wanted to make sure no more clubs were allowed to be there. Duh! How can you be a vibrant area without a club or two? Sometimes I think the urban homesteaders in places like that have gone soft. I also like the Knitting Factory apartments on Detroit they have a kickass rooftop deck. Crocker Park? Hometowners shouldn't even be going there.
January 25, 200718 yr ^From what I gather, it wasn't so much that they are against clubs, but more that they didn't want a large dance club there. And who can blame them for not wanting a repeat of the shady nightmare that Moda was? I know a lot of people in the area are fine with places like Touch - a club to be sure, but it's not a massive dance club that attracts throngs of drunken/drugged-up twits. Also, a lot of the people living along West 25th aren't exactly pioneers - the pioneers have probably moved on or have been priced out. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 24, 200718 yr The final group of PR Newswire prospective employees were in town this weekend. I showed them around Playhouse Square (Statler Arms & environs), Live-Work District, Asia Town, east past Beacon Place (Fairfax) to Rockefeller Park and north through the park. We drove back down East Boulevard, talking about the beautiful homes and cultural gardens. We walked around Wade Oval, drove up Fairhill to Larchmere, walked around Shaker Square, and dropped in on the North Union Farmer's Market. From there, we drove down Coventry to Coventry Village, walked around a bit and then drove through Cedar-Fairmount before heading down to Little Italy. We walked around Mayfield and stopped in on Anthony's for lunch. The group was much smaller this time, but they seemed pretty impressed. Two from the group have already committed and are purchasing homes. The others were looking to rent and are still undecided. As for progress so far, I've heard from a few visitors who've decided to move to Cleveland and from at least one who's decided to stay in New York. His reasoning was that he's in his early 20's and just recently moved to NYC. He didn't feel like he'd given it enough time yet, so he wanted to stay before trying another new city. I certainly know that feeling! All in all, I think the tours went really well. Others on the forum might have more to share, but I think they got a good look at what the city and inner ring have to offer. The rest is up to them and their employer!
February 24, 200718 yr I'm not sure if this is the right place of this (or if it can be cross posted in the "future of urban ohio thread") but tours like this should be something that UO members get involved with. You people are extremely knowlegable about your cities. You could certainly get involved with the growth associaton or companies that are trying to impress potential employees. Its a low cost win-win situation.
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