^Along those lines, I'm waiting for a developer to start scooping up some of the apartments on Hessler, kick out the students, renovate, and and turn them condo.  I guess the lack of indoor parking is a problem, but maybe there will be rentable garage space in the adjacent UARD.  I agree that there would be a market for for-sale units in old buildings in UC, problem is they've almost all been demolished over the years- so few left.  As for new housing- we'll have to see how UARD progresses to see how viable it is in a large scale.  Fingers crossed.

Besides any cost factor, the layout of most of the buildings isn't reflective of today's lifestyle.  Many of the apartments in the buildings on Euclid Heights and South Overlook (which are similar to the pictures shown earlier in this thread) are large in length and small in width.  They've essentially got a kitchen in the back and a living/dining room in the front with a good 30'+ hallway and three bedrooms/bathrooms in between.  Not only would developers be looking at renovating, but they'd also be looking at an entire reconfiguration.

 

Additionally, what MTS said about not knowing what's behind the walls....  I'm actually kind of surprised that some of the buildings at the top of the hill are still deemed inhabitable.  Many of them have major rat, mouse, and cockroach problems, and they only reason why they're inhabited is because Case and UH students and employees (especially those without cars) have to live somewhere nearby!

 

That being said, I do agree that the buildings are beautiful.... from the outside.  What's on the inside is something left to be desired.  I'm always disappointed with every one of those buildings that I walk into, because I'm expecting so much more.

Besides any cost factor, the layout of most of the buildings isn't reflective of today's lifestyle.  Many of the apartments in the buildings on Euclid Heights and South Overlook (which are similar to the pictures shown earlier in this thread) are large in length and small in width.  They've essentially got a kitchen in the back and a living/dining room in the front with a good 30'+ hallway and three bedrooms/bathrooms in between.  Not only would developers be looking at renovating, but they'd also be looking at an entire reconfiguration.

 

Additionally, what MTS said about not knowing what's behind the walls....  I'm actually kind of surprised that some of the buildings at the top of the hill are still deemed inhabitable.  Many of them have major rat, mouse, and cockroach problems, and they only reason why they're inhabited is because Case and UH students and employees (especially those without cars) have to live somewhere nearby!

 

That being said, I do agree that the buildings are beautiful.... from the outside.  What's on the inside is something left to be desired.  I'm always disappointed with every one of those buildings that I walk into, because I'm expecting so much more.

 

Well I like prewar buildings.  You young folks and your "grand room" one room living.  pesshaw!  :wink:

 

To recover cost, you would have to reconfigure to sell.  I know when I bought my place, built in the late 20's, I wanted to renovate the Kitchen, laundry room, eliminate the maids bedroom and renovate the bathroom.  at 12k project balloned to 20k because of what was in the walls.

 

I like many of the buildings on Euclid Hts. Blvd.  My uncle lived over there for a long time and his place was nice and huge and I love those front porches/balconys.

I like many of the buildings on Euclid Hts. Blvd.  My uncle lived over there for a long time and his place was nice and huge and I love those front porches/balconys.

 

I agree about the size and the sweet balconys.  The only problem is that most of the rented properties haven't been maintained as historical buildings - i.e. the landlords have installed quick fixes and schlepped paint coat after paint coat over beautiful woodwork.  I would've loved to see those buildings when they were new!

^ and ^^, yes all good points.  And actually, in Cleveland Heights, it looks like several old buildings have gone condo in the last few years.  I'd be curious how the developers think they're doing.  Ownership is definitely better for the multifam housing stock than renting (especially to students).

^ and ^^, yes all good points.  And actually, in Cleveland Heights, it looks like several old buildings have gone condo in the last few years.  I'd be curious how the developers think they're doing.  Ownership is definitely better for the multifam housing stock than renting (especially to students).

 

I forget which building my uncles wife lived in prior to them getting married but thats what happened to her building.  It went condo.  All the wood work and original details were restored.

Are you guys done yet?

I received the following email from APOC via the Cleveland Colectivo.  Anyone know what buildings these are that are being demolished?  (Chris Kious included his phone and email FYI if anyone wants to participate, but I didn't want to post it on the web.  If you want to contact him, send me a PM and I will get you the info)

 

Dear Colectivo,

 

A Piece Of Cleveland needs your help! Two school buildings (built in

the 1880's) are going to be knocked down next week. The crane is

coming and we are under the gun to reclaim some good old wood

flooring.

 

Remember that you asked us: "how can we help/volunteer"? Well, here

is your opportunity to get acquainted with deconstruction at

a 'hands-on' level!

 

This Saturday, Sunday, and possibly Monday APOC will have a real

need for volunteers. Knowledge in deconstruction is not necessary,

just a desire to learn and help. You will get dirty, but it's honest

work and tons of fun. We will need people to wear proper clothing

(work gloves and boots) and let me know when you can come by.

 

Thanks for helping to spread the word!

 

Best regards,

Chris Kious

APOC- A Piece Of Cleveland

 

My guess is that one of them is the Stanard school over by East 55th/St. Clair-ish.

But I don't have boots or work gloves. I live in Lakewood, for goodness sakes!  :-D

on the near-horizon demo list:

 

Developer OK'd to raze Center Street building

 

By STAN BULLARD (Crain's)

 

4:30 am, June 9, 2008

 

Cleveland City Planning Commission last Friday approved a request by developers of the $500 millon Flats East Bank Neighborhood to demolish the former Crooked River Brewery building at 1101 Center St.

 

That’s right — on the Flats’ West Side.The site will be used for Hustler Club’s new home, which Flats East Bank developers agreed to provide in order to secure the former Hustler Club property on Old River Road on the Flats’ East Bank.

 

The new club will be part of a new, city-authorized adult entertainment district near the landmark Mickey Finn’s.

 

Flats East Bank developers Wolstein Group and Fairmount Properties paid $900,000 to buy the building for the strip club’s new home.

"new, city-authorized adult entertainment district "

 

So that's been finalized?  And what exactly does it consist of?

There is a thread here about the adult entertainment district. Check it out. But yes, the district was finalized but I don't recall the details.

This sucks I hate how visible this location is. Damn, why did Crooked River have to go bankrupt...

 

What are the chances that the new building housing Larry Flint won't look ridiculous right there within the Stonehenge development.

 

Expect the worst.

 

on the near-horizon demo list:

 

Developer OK'd to raze Center Street building

 

By STAN BULLARD (Crain's)

 

4:30 am, June 9, 2008

 

Cleveland City Planning Commission last Friday approved a request by developers of the $500 millon Flats East Bank Neighborhood to demolish the former Crooked River Brewery building at 1101 Center St.

 

Thats right on the Flats West Side.The site will be used for Hustler Clubs new home, which Flats East Bank developers agreed to provide in order to secure the former Hustler Club property on Old River Road on the Flats East Bank.

 

The new club will be part of a new, city-authorized adult entertainment district near the landmark Mickey Finns.

 

Flats East Bank developers Wolstein Group and Fairmount Properties paid $900,000 to buy the building for the strip clubs new home.

If there is any piece of good news, the hustler changed its name to "cahoots" or something like that. This is not quite as vulgar sounding for a place where families, children and tourists will soon be biking.  The entrance and surface lot is not to be on Center Street (fall St). And yes, they want to make it B F'in cheap and ugly. Why would out of town investors care about the neighborhood, tow path, Cleveland, etc? Flats Oxbow design review will have this on their conscious if the cheap and tacky plan hustler wants come to fruition and we live with it for a generation to come-if the building even lasts that long. Of course even if design review opposes it, there are plenty of connected people that have proven they want to keep Hustler happy and quiet, so they may get want they want anyway. Yeah for stucco!

 

edit: here is the thread. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,13073.0.html

Lol at PD for applauding this when the neighborhood rioted. Saw the underbelly of city politics. creepy stuff. Now I just put my nose down and mind my own business. silly me for moving to the city and getting active. 

I suppose that Mr. Bullard failed to realize that the Crooked River Brewery building that will become the strip club isn't "on the Flats’ West Side".  Simple geography, but generally people consider things to the east of the river the Flat's East Side.  One must cross the Center Street swing bridge over the Cuyahoga River to get to the Flat's West Side from the old brewery building. 

Very educational and depressing post!!!!

 

If there is any piece of good news, the hustler changed its name to "cahoots" or something like that. This is not quite as vulgar sounding for a place where families, children and tourists will soon be biking. The entrance and surface lot is not to be on Center Street (fall St). And yes, they want to make it B F'in cheap and ugly. Why would out of town investors care about the neighborhood, tow path, Cleveland, etc? Flats Oxbow design review will have this on their conscious if the cheap and tacky plan hustler wants come to fruition and we live with it for a generation to come-if the building even lasts that long. Of course even if design review opposes it, there are plenty of connected people that have proven they want to keep Hustler happy and quiet, so they may get want they want anyway. Yeah for stucco!

 

edit: here is the thread. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,13073.0.html

Lol at PD for applauding this when the neighborhood rioted. Saw the underbelly of city politics. creepy stuff. Now I just put my nose down and mind my own business. silly me for moving to the city and getting active.  

I suppose that Mr. Bullard failed to realize that the Crooked River Brewery building that will become the strip club isn't "on the Flats’ West Side".  Simple geography, but generally people consider things to the east of the river the Flat's East Side.  One must cross the Center Street swing bridge over the Cuyahoga River to get to the Flat's West Side from the old brewery building. 

this is very true. To people on the west bank, it is visually and socially part of the neighborhood even though it is across a small metal bridge. Many people in the neighborhood walk around over there everyday for recreation or to work. When they City was trying to promote this to the press (and even residents -lol), they would say "Hustler club is just moving to another space on the East bank" ok dingbats, that is right across the street from me,  not in some no mans land (where it was) on a remote stretch of the East Bank

McCleveland, any word on the 310 Prospect Ave. building and whether there are plans afoot to demo it?

i asked the people who would know... and essentially was told that right now, no one is sure what the new owners are going to do with the property.  If I hear anything I will post it.

what building is 310?

the black granite faced one across from flannery's.

I hope this is not the case, but IF that building is torn down, wouldnt that leave a huge stretch of surface parking a few blocks long.....the lot directly across from Vincenzas pizza to the Greater Heights acadamy building??

yes it would...

Owners of 310 Prospect...

It's really a shame that the worst parking lot owners are located in California because I wouldn't enjoy anything more than throwing a brick through the window of their residents with a photo of the building to be demoed.  Maybe it's best they are located in California.

well why don't we wait to see what their plans are before we start throwing things... :-)

 

the people that bought it do own parking lots, they're also developers and have other types of property. However if they do ACTUALLY decide to tear it down for a parking lot... I'll happily join you in brick tossing.

Anyone see this in last week's Design Review and CPC meeting agenda?  http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2008/062008.html

 

DRC 08-053:2005 Prospect Avenue, Former Ameritemps Building, Demolition and Parking Lot Expansion (PLPD/Ward 13) [submitted 6/11/08]

 

On the auditor's website, the owner is listed as UNIVERSITY INVESTMENTS OF CLEVELAND, LLC.  They bought the building in December of '07 from RUSSELL JOSEPH PROPERTIES LLC. 

 

Would this be part of the College Town footprint?  And maybe it's being taken down to make room to generate a little revenue in the short-term while making way for an eventual development?

 

Btw, it's a pretty nondescript, one-story building.

 

 

 

^ Yes that particular building is in the college town footprint of no architectural detail or relevence.

If I remember correctly, it is being torn down to be used as temporary parking while the new parking garage is built across the street on the Z lot. In a few years, they foresee building student residences on the entire surface lot.

I think the real impetus was to get Ameritemps out of there.  While waiting for their next assignments, alot of the clients would fuss and fight out front, sometimes with passers-by.

Anyone know the who/what/where/why of the demo on the building next to Erieview Cemetery? I noticed it yesterday on my way to ball game from hell. I have some pics, but they are not cooked yet.

See the Random Cleveland Thread p 66:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,3594.1955.html

 

Seems like it's some development by Frangos

 

I especially hate to see these apartment complexes go.  They are real gems.  Although I'm not sure they would be able to be salvaged.

Frangos Group doesn't have the renderings posted on their site yet. We will have to wait and see.

Anyone know the who/what/where/why of the demo on the building next to Erieview Cemetery? I noticed it yesterday on my way to ball game from hell. I have some pics, but they are not cooked yet.

 

Bummer, that looks like a cool old building.  Would have been a handsome base for a redevelopment.

The first phase of demolition of the Garden Valley Estates is underway.  Looks like the demo contractor is removing large trees before concentrating on the buildings.  I've watched the crews periodically, and the backhoe is just ripping four-story trees out of the ground like a hand pulling a weed.  Just an fyi if you happen to be riding down Kinsman between East 69th and 72nd Streets.

 

A mammoth empty factory - I forgot the original and previous uses - has been razed on the south side of Cedar Avenue on Clarkwood (about ten blocks east of East 55th).  It's a pretty far-out sight.

re: Frangos demo... total bummer... there's a very cool feel on those old brick streets bordering the cemetery.  Re: old warehouses south of Cedar... there are quite a few beautiful old brick ones down there that are empty as could be.  There's a massive one that's being devoured by ivy on Quincy, just west of Woodhill.  Amazing stuff.

And of course, Councilman Blowhard adds his usual tantrum - of course if the city ended up getting sued because the Law Department didn't cross their t's and dot their i's, he'd be b!tching just the same :roll: I'm glad Triozzi is more of a class act.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/08/commodore_theater_in_collinwoo.html#more

 

Commodore Theater in Collinwood likely to be torn down

 

Posted by dsims August 29, 2008 22:45PM

 

CLEVELAND -- The old Commodore Theater in Cleveland's Collinwood neighborhood finally got to Housing Court Friday -- four years after the city condemned it -- and appears to be heading for demolition.

 

What took so long?

 

If you ask Councilman Mike Polensek, it's a Law Department that lacks the spine to drag landlords with problem buildings into court....

 

The first phase of demolition of the Garden Valley Estates is underway. 

 

Anyone know where the residents will go?

Very sad to lose the Commodore.  North Collinwood is one of Cleveland's last largely intact communities with some of it's best building stock, but I fear that won't last much longer.

The Commodore's pending demolition sucks. I wish we cared about enough our cities that we offered as much (or more) public incentives for the revitalization of places like the Commodore as do we for their replacements at the malls and power centers at the urban fringe.

The first phase of demolition of the Garden Valley Estates is underway.

 

Anyone know where the residents will go?

 

Here's the situation.  Only about half of the 700+ units were actually habitable, so improvements were made to existing vacant units to relocate residents from the areas where buildings are being demolished.  Residents also have the decision to receive Housing Choice Vouchers and locate anywhere within CMHA's territory, but if they do this, they will lose their spot in line when the new units come online. 

 

I have some photos that I will try to post next week.  Phase I entails the demolition of everything from the Sidaway Bridge to East 73rd Street along Kinsman (excluding the Garden Valley Neighborhood House), and I'm not sure how far south of Kinsman Phase I goes.  About half of that area has been demo'ed over the last month or more.

I believe the new Garden Valley development is going before design review this Thursday. 

The first phase of demolition of the Garden Valley Estates is underway.  Looks like the demo contractor is removing large trees before concentrating on the buildings.  I've watched the crews periodically, and the backhoe is just ripping four-story trees out of the ground like a hand pulling a weed.  Just an fyi if you happen to be riding down Kinsman between East 69th and 72nd Streets.

 

 

Here's a before and an after of Garden Valley.  An entire section of the estates has been razed.

 

This is a before from 2005.  There's a shopping center on the vacant land on which the photo was shot.  Kinsman is in front and East 72nd is to the right in the photo.  (This is the best before photo I could easily find.)

 

And this is the after from this afternoon. 

 

Yeah I drive by that on my way to work every day, they are flying through deconstruction.  There seems to be some asbestos removal, but as soon as they finish that they get a few building gone in a week or so.  Pretty amazing. 

 

Anybody have any idea if they have a recycle program for all the materials.  The green tile on these buildings would have been sweet to get a hold of.

^ yes, there is asbestos removal involved.  I wouldn't use the word "flying," though.  There were many days when very, very little activity occurred.  Demo started in mid-July after CMHA hosted a demolition party.  It wasn't until last week that things really started to move quickly.

Independent Towel is in full-scale demolition today.  If you're the kind that likes to take pictures of such things, there's no time like the present!

I had an appointment on West 15oth yesterday and drove past the NCB building. Noticed a parcel with major demo work going on next to it. Anyone know what used to be there and what may be going up in its place?

the funeral home at w61st and detroit has been torn down.  I am not sure if this means progress on the lot.  but I like what this does for the building next door.  the backside of the apartment building is now in full view, and it looks nice.  the funeral home was quite ugly, no big loss I think. 

I had an appointment on West 15oth yesterday and drove past the NCB building. Noticed a parcel with major demo work going on next to it. Anyone know what used to be there and what may be going up in its place?

 

 

I take that as a NO!

 

 

Ok, how about this one. I only saw it out of the corner of my eye, but it appears the Army Corps of Engineers building and/or the Coast Guard facilities are no longer there. (MayDay, you could probably see them from your floor).

 

Is it true, or did I have a flashback?