October 9, 200915 yr But the building was proposed for demolition for the Dunham Tavern project long before that. The city approved the Dunham project a couple of months ago. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 9, 200915 yr In my eyes, this was like the HoJo demo, only even more prolonged. The story was over that group when the facades and the third building in the complex were demoed.
October 9, 200915 yr But the building was proposed for demolition for the Dunham Tavern project long before that. The city approved the Dunham project a couple of months ago. my understanding that even if it was approved by some city agency there wasn't any money to actually buy the property from RTA, and RTA wasn't/isn't going to give the buildings/property away or pay for demolition (except if they have to like is happening with a portion of the buildings) one group of investors who is loosely affiliated with dunham (but not part of dunham at all) sumitted a grant for clean ohio funds to demolish and turn into a park. that was discussed on the board somewhere. those grant awards are announced next wednesday.
October 9, 200915 yr A park surrounded by empty fields. I can't think of a more worthless propsal for the site.
October 9, 200915 yr A park surrounded by empty fields. I can't think of a more worthless propsal for the site. I can think of a few - 1) Surface lots 2) CMHA Housing 3) A junkyard/scrapyard I am going to withhold judgment until we have a better idea of the park's design, use, etc.
October 9, 200915 yr In my eyes, this was like the HoJo demo, only even more prolonged. The story was over that group when the facades and the third building in the complex were demoed. If you're right, it means RTA wasted a ton of money phasing this demo and building that facade cap instead of just pulling it all down at once.
October 13, 200915 yr Now THAT is a demolition I support. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 13, 200915 yr Cardsnxtyr, Any chance of snapping a few pictures? No, sorry. Had to drive in this morning because i was running late and the only camera i had on me was my cell phone, and the quality on that is pretty bad. But the demo being done today is the northwest part of the building, and they had taken about 4 floors off of that corner.
October 14, 200915 yr Thanks! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 14, 200915 yr Coming in late here. West Junior High School in Maple Heights was finally torn down after having been closed since 1981. The building was the newest in the district except for the Wylie Athletic Center, which is likely be the only survivor of the upcoming school building frenzy except for Granger School, a very old building converted to the school board offices. It was also in very good shape when it closed. However....during the first winter they shut off the heat, and did not drain the pipes. You can guess the rest.
October 17, 200915 yr Cross-post from "Filling in Euclid Avenue" thread: The two brick/stone apartment buildings at Euclid and E. 77th received demolition approval from the Midtown-UCI Design Review committee. This is the site that Pirhl is trying acquiring for a senior low-income housing project. It's frustrating to me that rehab wasn't more seriously considered, as that would have 1) saved two high-quality buildings and 2) provided 45% of costs for a project that hasn't yet secured full financing.
October 19, 200915 yr Hey, let's tear down more of the city! The 19th century structure looks structurally sound from the street. Anyone hear if this was approved? http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/photo/100809/index.php Lorain Avenue Historic District 3209 Lorain Avenue Demolition Ward 14 – Santiago Back in the day.... What's proposed.... Lorain Avenue Historic District Case 09-044 2615 Lorain Avenue Demolition and parking lot improvements (KJP: I don't see any graphics of this proposed demo) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 200915 yr ^It is a shame to hear that even more of Lorain is headed for demo. The "Historic District" title for the street does nothing to halt demolition. Maybe the title should be removed... because the street has lost much of it's historical fabric.
October 19, 200915 yr ^^Just to add, the Moriah building looks like the sinage on it's facade was done recently... along with the awnings. I wonder if the owners actually took it through the city's Storefront Renovation program and received city dollars for the exterior renovation. If it did, I wonder what the implications are for demolishing this building...
October 19, 200915 yr is it just me or does it appear the only thing being demoed is the little garage which attaches to a warehouse behind the building, with a proposal for a new warehouse in its place...
October 19, 200915 yr is it just me or does it appear the only thing being demoed is the little garage which attaches to a warehouse behind the building, with a proposal for a new warehouse in its place... Thats what i'm seeing as well. The building to the right of the garage with the Berger Distributing Co. sign in the window in the old picture looks like it will be staying.
October 19, 200915 yr Thats what I thought last week when I read this in the city planning agenda. and the Moriah building is certainly not a part of the demo request.
October 19, 200915 yr I think you're right! I do see the "warehouse demolition" at the bottom of the site graphic. Thank goodness (I say that without knowing what the warehouse is like architecturally, but I am relieved the building fronting Lorain appears not to be involved in the demolition). But at the risk of losing the opportunity for a good rant, anyone know what this demo is: Lorain Avenue Historic District Case 09-044 2615 Lorain Avenue Demolition and parking lot improvements "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 200915 yr Im getting the Ohio City Tavern Building (Grillys).. http://www.loopnet.com/property/15478998/2615-Lorain-Ave/
October 19, 200915 yr I see it on Google Streetview -- http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&q=2615+Lorain+Avenue,+Cleveland,+Ohio&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=2615+Lorain+Ave,+Cleveland,+OH+44113&gl=us&ei=LJPcSvjpL4fIMdD7kd8H&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CA4Q8gEwAA It's the easternmost of three buildings on the south side of Lorain between West 26th and 28th. The westernmost of these three is the Import House and the middle building is an art gallery. Unfortunately, the building at the corner of Lorain and West 26th is already gone and the parking lot that's there now appears underutilized. Granted, the building to be demolished is a dumpy thing and doesn't appear to be anything special architecturally. But if this building is razed, IMHO it weakens the street as a pleasant walking environment. The view I see from Streetview is nicely tree-shaded sidewalk with an almost continuous string of buildings comfortably against the sidewalk in that block. There are some "missing teeth" that make a little less pleasant of a setting -- so why do we need to pull more of them? EDIT: If this demo is being sought by the bar owner, I am wondering if this is being submitted and sponsored by Councilman Santiago now as he has a reputation of being more supportive of what bars/clubs want than what the neighborhood wants? Whereas his potential replacement, Councilman Cummins, is the exact opposite.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 200915 yr Ugh, that Grilly's demo is terrible news. I wonder if it will be towards more parking to serve the MRN project on the old Guardian Bank building block. On the happier side though, cool to see from the agenda that Club Isabella is filling the old GooseAcres space.
October 19, 200915 yr Hey, let's tear down more of the city! The 19th century structure looks structurally sound from the street. Anyone hear if this was approved? http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/photo/100809/index.php Lorain Avenue Historic District 3209 Lorain Avenue Demolition Ward 14 â Santiago Back in the day.... What's proposed.... Lorain Avenue Historic District Case 09-044 2615 Lorain Avenue Demolition and parking lot improvements (KJP: I don't see any graphics of this proposed demo) wow... looks like they'll actually be restoring this main building.
October 19, 200915 yr wow... looks like they'll actually be restoring this main building. This is certainly good news. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 200915 yr Im getting the Ohio City Tavern Building (Grillys).. http://www.loopnet.com/property/15478998/2615-Lorain-Ave/ On the Grilly's space, does anybody know (or are they able to find) if the building was indeed purchased since on the above site it lists it for sale as of early 2008. I was just wondering if MRN had bought it since I think it lies in their footprint of future plans. Although at the same time I would be surprised, since they generally seem to have a better sense of synergy and street fabric etc..
October 19, 200915 yr The Grilly's space is now in the Ward of Councilman Cimperman not Santiago/Cummins. The talk that is going around the hood is that the corner lot and Grilly's space is to be redeveloped as parking. The parking will be needed because Great Lakes Brewery will be taking over the lot next to their factory for a future expansion. The people involved in the parkinglot are considering more land acquisitions in order to build a parking deck that would have street level retail. The deck would be used by, but not owned by, St Ignatius .
October 20, 200915 yr The Grilly's space is now in the Ward of Councilman Cimperman not Santiago/Cummins. Thanks for the info on the project. As for its ward location, here is how it was listed on the Landmarks Commission docket (without the red color added!): 6. Lorain Avenue Historic District: Case 09-044 Ward 14 Santiago 2615 Lorain Avenue Demolition and parking lot improvements "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 20, 200915 yr Glad to hear about Club Isabella; it had eluded my radar thus far. I hope that 32nd & Lorain demo is just the warehouse. Does anyone know what ever happened to the form-based zoning that was being explored for Lorain & Detroit in Ohio City? I've gone past the 6601 buildings a couple times in the past week and I'm not sure if the front building is being demoed. Anyone have any more info on that?
October 20, 200915 yr Alert! Quickie demolition! The two-story building just off of the northeast corner of Superior and E. 21st (the building immediately east of Daffy Dan's) has been demoed. Not an apparently historic or particularly aesthetically pleasing building, but there's now what looks to be a 40-foot gap adjacent to Superior. This demo was completed in one day ... the building was coned off yesterday, but the facade was completely intact when I went home last night at 6:30 (and I believe when I came in today), and it is completely gone now. IIRC, this section of Superior is also a Historic District, although I don't know if this building was one of the designated parcels. Anyone have any idea whether this is part of a rehab effort on either adjacent parcel? Or another surface parking lot fronting one of our busiest corridors? And is it just me or has the rate of demo on multi-unit buildings really jumped in the past few months?
October 20, 200915 yr But I don't think these are generally city demos ... it just seems like a rash of private owners demoing in the past couple of months. I think the city's efforts are aimed almost exclusively at single-family homes unless there's a specific public safety hazard posed by a multi-unit building.
October 21, 200915 yr damnit! I must've had my nose in the newspaper when I went by this morning. That stretch of Superior, while being entirely too wide, has some really nice urban form. The north side of the street is a little patchy, but it sounds like it's only getting worse!
October 21, 200915 yr As for the Grilly's building, Santiago is the councilman until January first. After January first, the new council boundaries take effect and it will be Cimperman's ward. I also don't think that Santiago cares more about bars than constituents.
October 21, 200915 yr damnit! I must've had my nose in the newspaper when I went by this morning. That stretch of Superior, while being entirely too wide, has some really nice urban form. The north side of the street is a little patchy, but it sounds like it's only getting worse! I agree. The south side of Superior remains somewhat gritty but BEAUTIFUL at the same time. The city wall on that side of the street remains, while the north side of Superior was demolished long ago. I could only imagine what the north side of the street looked like before urban renewal.
October 22, 200915 yr As for the Grilly's building, Santiago is the councilman until January first. After January first, the new council boundaries take effect and it will be Cimperman's ward. I also don't think that Santiago cares more about bars than constituents. I think Santiago cares about them in a different way than his constituents. While his constituents want the nuisance bars' gone, Santiago seems to want the nuisance bars' campaign money. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 23, 200915 yr I guess my nose is buried in a book too much as I missed the Marina on the Cuyahoga under RTA's viaduct/bridge being torn down, inclusing the boat storage racks and all. I thought they were still operating earlier this year... Plans for that property?
October 23, 200915 yr I guess my nose is buried in a book too much as I missed the Marina on the Cuyahoga under RTA's viaduct/bridge being torn down, inclusing the boat storage racks and all. I thought they were still operating earlier this year... Plans for that property? it wasn't torn down - the owner actually had it disassembled (warehouse, racks) and shipped to texas, iirc.
October 25, 200915 yr More demos....... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/photo/102209/index.php 1. East Boulevard Historic District 1106 East 99th Street Demolition Ward 8 - Cloud 2. Franklin-West Clinton Historic District 7714 Franklin Boulevard Demolition Ward 17 - Zone 3. Cleveland Public Library Superior Branch 1351 East 105th Street Demolition Ward 9 - Conwell "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 25, 200915 yr More demos....... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/photo/102209/index.php 1. East Boulevard Historic District 1106 East 99th Street Demolition Ward 8 - Cloud 2. Franklin-West Clinton Historic District 7714 Franklin Boulevard Demolition Ward 17 - Zone 3. Cleveland Public Library Superior Branch 1351 East 105th Street Demolition Ward 9 - Conwell The house on 99 should be torn down. It's gutts are too far gone. My cousins' and I looked at it as an investment. The cost to repair, far outway the cost of the house, for the neighborhood as well as future maintanence. If it's torn down there should be a stipulation a new builder puts a historically correct home in it's place.
October 26, 200915 yr I moved discussion of the School of the Arts building demolition here: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,21057.0.html this definitely isn't of the random variety.
October 28, 200915 yr Wait till you see the plans for what they're building in its place!! The OCPM Building that Cleve Clinic just finishd demolishing... the buzz ,at least around CWRU, is that CCF has seriously scaled down their original plans for that location. At this point in time the need for this demolition seems to be unnecessary. The size of what they're looking at building now could've probably gone anywhere around their campus, or somewhere else that didn't require razing buildings. Doesn't this happen a lot? Again, this info is just anecdotal. But in the continued national / global economic slump...it's probably correct.
October 28, 200915 yr I didn't think that CCF had any concrete plans (no pun intended) for that parcel. From what I understood, the plan was always just to make it into a parking lot and reserve that space for future expansion down the road.
October 29, 200915 yr ^That was my understanding as well....so what is the alledged scaled down project for the site suggested by Clueless?
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