June 5, 20178 yr Oh man, sucks. The setting is still great, but so much of the Flats is on the road to Genericville as we lose all these cool old industrial structures.
June 5, 20178 yr Wait, demolition order? You mean the city has ordered the demolition (ie: condemned)? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 5, 20178 yr Hmm It's under building permits, application pending - fee paid by Scranton Averel. So I don't think it is a condemned property. Shockingly.
June 5, 20178 yr Thanks. From what little I know of Scranton Averell, their executives are cheap -- as in they chew their water before swallowing. So I can't imagine them spending $300,000 to raze a building that wasn't in danger of falling down -- unless it was in danger, or they have development plans. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 9, 20178 yr Anyone know what Scranton Averell Inc is up to? This building has a 300k demolition order pending. That's disappointing. There are only a few interesting buildings left on Scranton Peninsula. I saw this on the CPC agenda for next week at the corner of Waterloo and E. 156 http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/pdf/NE_Design_Review_Agenda_06-13-17.pdf 8:35am 3. NE 2017-020 —15519 Waterloo Rd – Demolition © Waterloo Design Review District Location: 15519 Waterloo Rd Seeking final approval for the proposed demolition of a two story, commercial structure. Project Representative: Camille Maxwell/Joe Barbaree, Northeast Shores Dev. Corp.
June 9, 20178 yr ^I've watched that building transition over the years. It originally went through an exterior rehab back in maybe 2003-2005 but it wasn't done well and the building began to look worse just a couple years later. If this one comes down, I would hope the corner doesn't have a vacant lot forever. There's been enough that has been torn down on E. 156th that the street doesn't look the same anymore.
June 10, 20178 yr I saw this on the CPC agenda for next week at the corner of Waterloo and E. 156 http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/pdf/NE_Design_Review_Agenda_06-13-17.pdf 8:35am 3. NE 2017-020 —15519 Waterloo Rd – Demolition © Waterloo Design Review District Location: 15519 Waterloo Rd Seeking final approval for the proposed demolition of a two story, commercial structure. Project Representative: Camille Maxwell/Joe Barbaree, Northeast Shores Dev. Corp. I drive by that building basically every day. There's zero activity associated with it and if you look at it from the west it doesn't seem structurally sound. I doubt it's going to be a vacant lot, what with the activity at Classics to its west and Waterloo east of 156th bracketing it, but a lot won't add anything less. Hell, right now things are so active the owner of the lot behind Callaloo's is starting to charge for parking.
June 10, 20178 yr ^I've watched that building transition over the years. It originally went through an exterior rehab back in maybe 2003-2005 but it wasn't done well and the building began to look worse just a couple years later. If this one comes down, I would hope the corner doesn't have a vacant lot forever. There's been enough that has been torn down on E. 156th that the street doesn't look the same anymore. It actually seems to me like there's a lot of the old commercial district remaining between Waterloo and Lakeshore (I live north of Lakeshore). Much of it vacant storefronts or apparently operating but unsigned ones, but even some of the vacant has upstairs residential occupied. I'm not sure when Fanny's closed, but it seems quite some time ago (I ate there a couple times when up seeing my brother). It's still there and externally in decent shape. Meanwhile Fanny's has been torn down and the above building has a "for sale" sign on it.
July 18, 20177 yr What's the average time to tear down a burned out house in Cleveland? It was two months by me, I was actually a bit surprised it was that fast.
August 26, 20177 yr A burned-out house remained on Belmar Road in East Cleveland something like five years. The worst, most dangerous atrocity in Greater Cleveland is the shell of the former industrial building on Carnegie just east of the complex at the corner of East 55th. The complex is TOTALLY open to anyone's - and I mean anyone's - walking it (or climbing up an interior feature, etc. and the roofing and many other construction materials could fall down at any time. I know there are some signs posted right by Carnegie indicating the building is dangers but I think they're about worthless. I didn't even understand what they meant for years, and I'm sure many others don't. The building's literally in shambles and, again, is wide open!!!
August 26, 20177 yr A burned-out house remained on Belmar Road in East Cleveland something like five years. The worst, most dangerous atrocity in Greater Cleveland is the shell of the former industrial building on Carnegie just east of the complex at the corner of East 55th. The complex is TOTALLY open to anyone's - and I mean anyone's - walking it (or climbing up an interior feature, etc. and the roofing and many other construction materials could fall down at any time. I know there are some signs posted right by Carnegie indicating the building is dangers but I think they're about worthless. I didn't even understand what they meant for years, and I'm sure many others don't. The building's literally in shambles and, again, is wide open!!! That is an old Warner and Swazey building. It actually looks salvageable compared to the old Westinghouse complex a couple blocks east, south of Cedar along Ashland. It's across the RR tracks from the old TRW Clarkwood complex (where we sold metal until at least the early 90s), at least the old Clarkwood plant is completely leveled.
October 31, 20177 yr Cuyahoga County plans to take back $17 million pledged for demolition Updated on October 31, 2017 at 12:07 PM Posted on October 30, 2017 at 4:41 PM By Karen Farkas, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio - Cuyahoga County plans to take back $17 million pledged to fund demolition of blighted properties. The move, which reneges on a $50 million pledge, is supported by administrators who say that the money is needed to balance the budget and that other federal Hardest Hit demolition funds are available. It is strongly opposed by leaders of Cleveland's inner-ring suburbs, community organizations and several Cuyahoga County Council members. http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2017/10/cuyahoga_county_plans_to_take_back_17_million_pledged_for_demolition.html#incart_river_home
November 2, 20177 yr Sorry to see this building go. On this week's Landmarks Commission agenda is the proposed demolition of Joseph and Feiss Administration Building, 2149 West 53rd Street, Cleveland. Geis Companies is seeking the demolition for an unkown development. One of the pictures was shot from the entrance to the Menlo Park Academy which redeveloped one of the buildings at the Joseph and Feiss clothing factory complex. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 3, 20177 yr I'd have loved to see it saved, but honestly it's looked silly and out of place since they demolished the middle portion of the complex years ago. If Geis has something going in there, I'd love to see it and weigh it against the loss.
November 8, 20177 yr ^Menlo Park Academy owns the building, GEIS works as their contractor. It's my understanding that the building is falling down on its own and has to go for safety. There had been talk of it becoming the high school portion of Menlo Park Academy with a Fieldhouse built between it and the main building for continuity.
November 8, 20177 yr I would imagine putting a school right next door puts a premium on the "safety" argument. Can't have kids sneaking out after school or between classes to play in the abandoned factory that is right on school property!
March 6, 20187 yr Unfortunately, when we build new communities farther out rather than rebuild old communities closer in (especially in a no-growth metro) everything old eventually gets destroyed, including the so-called protected stuff.... @CLEcitylandmark 3m3 minutes ago Yesterday, we learned of the demolition of one of Cleveland's historic buildings. Placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1982, the Cleveland Home for Aged Colored People, 4807 Cedar Avenue in Ward 5, had recently been gutted by fire and suffered a roof collapse. /1 @CLEcitylandmark 3m3 minutes ago The building had been slowly deteriorating since being abandoned by its owners sometime after 2010. Due to the safety concerns we understand why it came down. For more info on the history of the building: https://www.elizabryant.org/about-the-village/history/ … /end "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 6, 20187 yr Too far gone and safety concerns. Pretty much the same crap we always hear when something historic is demolished. My prediction: the property gets transferred to the church or commercial neighbors and converted to parking, which was the goal all along.
March 6, 20187 yr Too far gone and safety concerns. Pretty much the same crap we always hear when something historic is demolished. My prediction: the property gets transferred to the church or commercial neighbors and converted to parking, which was the goal all along. Every time I hear someone say this, I want to shove this before/after photo of Detroit's James Scott Mansion in their face: “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
March 7, 20187 yr So these two industrial buildings are slated for demolition. They sit just behind the Ferry Cap building. I seem to recall reading that this may be part of a project involving NEORSD. The owner is listed as Scranton Averell whom I believe also own the Ferry Cap. I think Scranton Averell indicated at the time the sewer district project may stand in the way of any development at Ferry Cap. Anyone know anything different? 2151 SCRANTON RD CLEVELAND OH 44113 2111 SCRANTON AVE CLEVELAND OH 44113 Here is the back story that mentions the Ferry Cap and NEORSD involvement. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170903/news/134256/long-term-trends-revive-development-pulse-scranton-peninsula
March 7, 20187 yr Unfortunately, when we build new communities farther out rather than rebuild old communities closer in (especially in a no-growth metro) everything old eventually gets destroyed, including the so-called protected stuff.... @CLEcitylandmark Always giving me new Twitter follows lol. This one's interesting: The Patterson-Sargent Company Canned Paint Warehouse (1917, 1945-6) was designated a #Cleveland Landmark by @CleCityCouncil via Ord. 118-18 on February 26, 2018. They specialized in marine-use paint, with "Hullead" becoming standard use in specialized cargo ships. Gotta wonder how much lead would be on that site, if someone tried to tear it down. Does landmark status have any impact on CERCLA?
March 22, 20187 yr MOSES CLEAVELAND TREE IN LAKEWOOD TO BE CUT DOWN DOWN THURSDAY After more than 250 years of growth, the tree will be taken down Thursday morning Author: Brandon Simmons Published: 5:53 PM EDT March 21, 2018 Updated: 7:07 AM EDT March 22, 2018 http://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/news/local/cuyahoga-county/moses-cleaveland-tree-in-lakewood-to-be-cut-down-down-thursday/95-530743751
March 22, 20187 yr 1896? Someone needs a proofreader. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 17, 20187 yr I didn't know the planetarium dome was demolished. Bummer!! Spent some time there when I was a kid in the 1970s. Equally depressing that it was replaced with another freakin' parking lot.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/04202018/DRAC-agenda04-19-18.pdf 2. Project: DF2018-031: New Parking Infill * Parking lot infill and expansion at newly demolished planetarium dome. Project Address: 1440 Lakeside Ave. Project Representative: Jeff Henderson, Then Design Architecture LTD. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 17, 20187 yr And another one. This building isn't that old. My wife is amazed how much demolition we do in the USA.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/PDF/EC-Agenda4-19-18.pdf 8:00 EC 2018-011 East Bell Commons - demolition (former CIA Bldg,) C 11141 East Blvd. University Circle District Chris Panichi, CWRU Jeffrey Strean, CMA "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 17, 20187 yr I wonder if this means they have something planned for that site. That would be huge news!
April 17, 20187 yr And another demolition resulting from the continued loss of density. Look at that piece of crap house to the north of it.... https://www.google.com/maps/place/1964+E+73rd+St,+Cleveland,+OH+44103/@41.5052454,-81.6378044,3a,75y,230.49h,84.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFo8HJSpkRKLpEQy8IB5_PA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830fbafc7626cc1:0x79caad4b0deb986b!8m2!3d41.5050226!4d-81.6380532 1964 E 73RD STREET DEMOLITION Back Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format) Project Information Euclid Corridor Case # EC 2018-014 Address: 1964 E 73rd Company: BD Euclid Ave. LLC Architect: BD Euclid Ave. LLC http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=2776&CASE=EC%202018-014 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 17, 20187 yr ^Oh man, that is really too bad to see an apartment building come down in Midtown. Sort of surprising, too, given the increasing market viability. Maybe it's in really, really rough shape inside. ^^Wow, very interesting to see the old Gund Hall scheduled for demo. Weird that we wouldn't hear even whispers of grand redevelopment plans if they were in the works, but would not expect Case/CMA to demolish usable space until there was good reason. Hope we hear more soon about this site.
April 17, 20187 yr ^Oh man, that is really too bad to see an apartment building come down in Midtown. Sort of surprising, too, given the increasing market viability. Maybe it's in really, really rough shape inside. ^^Wow, very interesting to see the old Gund Hall scheduled for demo. Weird that we wouldn't hear even whispers of grand redevelopment plans if they were in the works, but would not expect Case/CMA to demolish usable space until there was good reason. Hope we hear more soon about this site. Why not? They're torn down and rebuilt quite a few buildings over the last couple of decades. Freiberger and Pardee come to mind.
April 17, 20187 yr And another one. This building isn't that old. My wife is amazed how much demolition we do in the USA.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/PDF/EC-Agenda4-19-18.pdf 8:00 EC 2018-011 East Bell Commons - demolition (former CIA Bldg,) C 11141 East Blvd. University Circle District Chris Panichi, CWRU Jeffrey Strean, CMA I believe greenspace is planned for that site, to include the parking lot as well.
April 17, 20187 yr I believe greenspace is planned for that site, to include the parking lot as well. We should find out as soon as photos are posted with the agenda. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/04202018/index.php And relevant to this thread, the agenda has another 10 structures scheduled for demolition. Over the last couple months there has been more demolition on these agendas than new construction.
April 17, 20187 yr And relevant to this thread, the agenda has another 10 structures scheduled for demolition. Over the last couple months there has been more demolition on these agendas than new construction. Very true. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 17, 20187 yr Demolition is our plan right now. I'm glad we're seeing some zoning reform and better project proposals in the last couple years, so I'm less worried about the rebuild process than I used to be, but I still think our historic building stock is criminally undervalued.
April 18, 20187 yr The photos are up for the planning commission meeting agenda: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/04202018/index.php As far as I can tell, they don't provide any info about plans for the old CIA site, just info about the demo (and preserving trees- yay) A few especially depressing demos on this this week. My beloved retro gas station on East 105th, which needs to make way for another useless lawn; and one of the two mixed use buildings at Kinsman and East 154th that create an unusual symmetrical gateway to 154th: https://bit.ly/2EXA9Bg
April 18, 20187 yr The mixed use building on Kinsman is a real loss. I'm surprised no one has ever been able to leverage the location near the Border of Shaker Heights. But again Shaker sort of creates a buffer on their border.
April 18, 20187 yr The photos are up for the planning commission meeting agenda: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/04202018/index.php As far as I can tell, they don't provide any info about plans for the old CIA site, just info about the demo (and preserving trees- yay) The last page shows the entire site as green space. With potential location of future buildings.
April 18, 20187 yr ^Good catch. I didn't see that the new space was its own subsmission separate from the demo request. I guess it really was just time to pull the plug on the old building, even with no new use lined up. Also, the plans for the new development on East 105th suggest the "future park" that will replace the gas station building might be more than just another lawn, even if that's all the demo approval promises. Good chance it's just rendering bluster, but hopefully it can be turned into a useful space. The demo request also suggests there are USTs and soil contamination (no surprise), so demo and clean up are probably the only practical option.
April 20, 20187 yr Over the last couple months there has been more demolition on these agendas than new construction. To emphasize Mendo's point, look at this list of Design-Review cases for Northeast -- http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/listDR.php?D=NE Southeast -- http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/listDR.php?pageNum_rsBRD=0&totalRows_rsBRD=310&D=SE East -- http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/listDR.php?D=EAST The other five design districts all have many more renovations and some new construction than demolitions. The east side, except for the Euclid Corridor (which includes UC), continues to empty out. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 22, 20187 yr I believe this is the first demolition at this intersection....on a fully intact street: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2018/05242018/index.php 7. Case 18-037 East Boulevard Historic District 9821 North Boulevard Demolition Street view: https://www.google.com/maps/place/9821+North+Boulevard,+cleveland/@41.5263917,-81.6211359,3a,75y,347.77h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1ssSwQMIx4903G_KCfv1YvgA!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x8830fbe669a538a7:0xe8ac70ca5aade51a?sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiAn7i9z5nbAhUSz1MKHc-ODf4QxB0IKDAA
July 16, 20186 yr Aw well, guess I'll move this here. https://www.howardhanna.com/Property/Detail/11794-11814-Detroit-Lakewood-OH-44107/NorthernOH/3935693
July 16, 20186 yr Aw well, guess I'll move this here. https://www.howardhanna.com/Property/Detail/11794-11814-Detroit-Lakewood-OH-44107/NorthernOH/3935693 Yup. ;) http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2018/07/lakewood-commercial-conversions-continue.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 20186 yr https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/07/phantasy_niteclub_nears_sale_a.html
July 17, 20186 yr Shame to see this happening. Seems like major bookings have been scarce there for a long time. Looking through that PD retrospective, one might believe the place closed down 20 years ago. It bugs me that neither Lakewood nor Cleveland has done anything to promote this stretch of Detroit and all its concert clubs. It's not too late, most of them are still there. Let's do it.
July 18, 20186 yr Shame to see this happening. Seems like major bookings have been scarce there for a long time. Looking through that PD retrospective, one might believe the place closed down 20 years ago. It bugs me that neither Lakewood nor Cleveland has done anything to promote this stretch of Detroit and all its concert clubs. It's not too late, most of them are still there. Let's do it. Live shows are nowhere near as important to the music scene as they were in the pre-internet age. It may just be supersaturation.
July 18, 20186 yr The old Parmadale orphanage complex is coming down to create a large park in the center of the suburb. https://www.cleveland.com/parma/index.ssf/2018/07/cuyahoga_county_awards_13_mill.html Also, saw this in the article: The (Parma) Board of Control's recently awarded funding amount also includes the demolition of four blighted Parma properties located at 7259 Ridge Road, 11599 Kader Ave., 4418 Pershing Ave. and 7407 Dorothy Ave Haven't had a chance to look to see if any of those properties are little gems. Note: Looks like this belong in the Beyond the 3 C's: Demolition. My bad. Mods feel free to move.
July 19, 20186 yr Shame to see this happening. Seems like major bookings have been scarce there for a long time. Looking through that PD retrospective, one might believe the place closed down 20 years ago. It bugs me that neither Lakewood nor Cleveland has done anything to promote this stretch of Detroit and all its concert clubs. It's not too late, most of them are still there. Let's do it. Live shows are nowhere near as important to the music scene as they were in the pre-internet age. It may just be supersaturation. Sure, but places like Nashville and Austin still use it as the centerpiece of their appeal. I would say that climate, plus investment in the Rock Hall and the image surrounding it, makes live music venues even more important for Cleveland.
July 19, 20186 yr Sure, but places like Nashville and Austin still use it as the centerpiece of their appeal. I would say that climate, plus investment in the Rock Hall and the image surrounding it, makes live music venues even more important for Cleveland. Yet the City of Cleveland makes it as difficult as anywhere for live music with admissions taxes and withholding on non-resident artists.
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